Try
all
things
,
and
choose
that
which
is
good
.
1
Thes
.
5
and
the
Lorde
giue
vs
a
true
vnderstanding
in
all
thinges
.
SIR
,
The
other
Day
you
demaunded
of
me
,
whether
I
held
the
Aucthoritie
of
the
Bushops
of
the
Church
of
England
,
lawfull
or
no
.
I
being
wholely
imploid
at
the
time
,
both
in
Body
and
Mind
about
my
calling
,
gaue
you
this
briefe
answere
,
that
I
did
,
if
they
vsed
it
lawfully
and
aledged
the
Epistles
of
Timothy
,
&
Titus
,
for
proofe
:
You
thinking
I
spake
very
absurdly
,
tolde
me
(
as
many
others
haue
done
before
you
)
that
I
vnderstood
nothing
,
and
that
being
once
otherwise
minded
(
as
I
was
)
all
men
would
laugh
at
me
for
my
grose
iudgment
:
whereby
that
you
&
others
,
thinke
that
I
haue
altred
my
minde
,
not
on
any
sound
ground
or
of
Conscience
:
But
vpon
sinister
or
worldly
respect
.
But
to
satisfie
you
to
the
contrary
:
I
assure
you
,
that
if
I
had
tooke
as
much
time
so
Deliberat
,
and
examine
them
before
I
entred
into
them
as
I
did
,
and
beeing
entred
,
before
I
left
them
(
whatsoeuer
any
conceiue
)
I
had
neuer
approued
eyther
of
the
Presbite●ial
Discipline
,
or
the
Seperation
(
which
of
necessitie
must
follow
.
Yf
the
ground
of
that
Discipline
were
true
)
from
the
Church
of
England
:
For
after
I
was
brought
into
some
doubt
,
I
tooke
two
yeares
time
to
examin
,
both
mine
own
Conscience
,
and
the
proofes
on
both
sides
.
In
which
two
yeares
space
,
I
read
all
that
euer
I
could
get
written
in
English
,
touching
thiefe
Controuersies
on
thiese
three
sides
,
as
these
for
the
Discipline
,
Bookes
in
defence
of
the
pretended
discipline
which
conteyne
in
them
,
the
groundes
of
Brownisme
.
M.
Cartwrightes
workes
.
Penry
,
his
workes
.
Vdals
Demonstration
A
Treatise
of
the
Church
,
by
Phillip
Mornay
.
The
Complaint
of
the
Commonaltie
,
the
expectation
to
England
,
Fenners
Defence
,
of
godly
Ministers
:
The
Ecclesiasticall
discipline
,
M.
Trauers
,
his
learned
discourse
,
The
Counterpoyson
,
The
Sermon
on
the
12.
to
the
Romans
,
the
dialogue
of
white
Diuils
,
M.
Trauers
his
practise
of
Prelates
,
the
abstract
,
A
Dialogue
of
the
strife
of
our
Church
,
a
little
booke
of
M.
Dauisons
,
A
Scots
Disciplinarian
,
the
Iudgement
of
the
most
Reuerend
,
written
by
M.
Daneus
,
[
as
they
say
)
The
Display
of
D.
Soame
in
his
colours
.
M.
Vdals
Dialogue
.
M.
Knoxe
his
Epistles
to
England
,
Calvins
Institutions
,
which
directly
confirmes
the
Bushops
Offices
,
although
it
be
often
alledged
against
them
.
The
humble
motion
to
the
Councell
,
Martins
libels
,
&
the
two
Admonitions
to
the
Parliament
.
For
the
Brownists
or
Donatists
thiese
M.
Browne
,
his
booke
against
Logick
&
Rethorick
,
and
of
the
estate
of
the
Christians
and
Heathens
,
His
Inuectiue
against
parish
Preachers
,
Bookes
in
defence
of
Brownisme
,
grounded
vpon
the
former
.
and
hired
Lecturers
,
and
against
Preaching
at
Paules
Crosse
,
and
his
answere
to
M.
Cartwrights
Letter
to
M.
Robert
Harryson
,
his
consort
:
His
aunswere
in
writing
,
to
Steephen
Bridewell
.
His
first
booke
against
Brownists
,
for
his
2
about
Communicating
,
was
neuer
answered
.
And
Brownes
Booke
of
the
gathering
and
ioyning
together
of
certaine
persons
in
Norfolke
,
M.
Harrisons
booke
on
the
122
psalme
,
M.
Barrow
his
discouery
of
the
false
Church
:
Their
refutation
of
M.
Gifford
(
as
they
call
it
)
their
description
of
the
visible
church
:
written
by
M.
Barrow
,
M.
Iohnson
Penry
,
and
others
,
and
since
confuted
by
Doctor
Allison
their
bookes
against
reade
prayers
,
and
their
9.
reasons
against
the
Church
of
England
,
with
other
thinges
in
writing
to
that
effect
:
And
the
Articles
of
their
new
Faith
printed
,
1596.
And
for
defence
of
the
Church
of
Englands
gouernment
,
these
the
Confutation
of
the
two
Admonitions
to
the
Parliament
by
that
reuerend
father
,
Doctor
Whitegift
,
then
Archbishop
of
Canterbury
,
fiue
Bookes
of
that
reuerend
man
M.
Hooker
(
who
is
at
rest
with
God
)
called
the
Ecclesiasticall
pollicie
,
Bookes
in
defence
of
the
Church
of
Englandes
gouernment
,
by
Bishops
,
fully
confuting
all
the
former
by
authoritie
of
Scripture
and
practise
of
all
the
auncient
Churches
of
God
.
the
aunswere
to
the
Abstract
,
the
aunswere
to
the
Petition
made
to
her
Highnesse
by
D
Sutcliffe
,
and
his
Booke
called
the
False
Semblanc●
of
Counterfait
discipline
detected
,
The
perpetuall
Gouernment
of
Christes
church
:
Written
by
that
most
famous
learned
father
D.
Bilson
B
:
of
Winchester
,
and
the
Conspiracie
for
reformation
,
Scotizing
and
English
Scotizing
for
Discipline
,
and
the
Suruay
of
the
holy
Discipline
.
All
which
thrée
were
written
(
as
I
beare
)
by
M
:
D
:
Bankroft
,
now
Lord
B
:
of
London
the
Remonstrance
,
M.
Rogers
his
sermon
on
the
12.
to
the
Romanes
against
M.
Chaddertons
vpon
the
same
text
.
D
:
Sarauia
vpon
the
degrées
of
the
Ministers
of
the
worde
,
our
booke
of
Martyrs
,
the
first
Colume
whereof
,
I
reade
foure
times
ouer
,
in
one
winter
distinctly
:
and
haue
collected
the
names
of
more
then
100
Archbishops
and
Bishops
out
of
it
:
Which
all
suffred
Martyrdome
,
within
300.
yeeres
after
Christ
,
beside
many
other
which
were
Priestes
and
Deacons
.
(
Sée
how
that
will
agrée
with
that
equalitie
in
the
ministerie
which
some
haue
taught
)
and
Eusebius
his
Ecclesiasticall
Historie
,
contayning
ten
bookes
Eusebius
was
Bishop
of
Cesarea
in
Palestine
and
wrote
the
story
of
the
Primitiue
church
,
for
thrée
hundred
yéeres
from
Christes
death
,
till
Constantines
,
the
first
Christian
Emperour
.
Socrates
his
Ecclesiasticall
Historie
in
7.
bookes
,
who
began
where
Eusebius
left
,
and
sheweth
the
estate
of
the
Church
for
140.
yéeres
,
vntill
the
raigne
of
Theodosius
the
younger
.
And
out
of
them
doth
M.
Foxe
take
all
or
the
most
part
of
his
proofes
,
for
the
estate
of
the
Primitiue
church
.
Euagrius
his
sixe
bookes
,
who
began
the
Historie
where
Socrates
left
:
and
continued
the
Story
of
the
Church
for
155.
yéeres
,
ending
his
last
booke
in
the
raigne
of
Mauricius
Emperour
of
Rome
,
the
yéere
of
our
Lord
599.
And
albeit
in
reading
all
those
things
together
with
the
scriptures
,
And
all
this
while
not
any
Christian
Church
in
the
world
but
it
had
a
Bishop
to
gouerne
both
the
people
and
the
Priests
(
as
M
Caluin
saith
)
or
else
these
auncient
workes
are
lyes
and
fables
:
and
so
is
M.
Foxe
his
booke
which
is
grounded
vpon
them
,
which
thing
whosoeuer
should
affirme
,
wold
scarcely
deserue
the
name
of
a
Christian
.
I
am
farre
of
from
that
knowledge
wherevnto
I
might
haue
attayned
,
if
God
had
indued
me
with
that
quick
sight
and
helpe
of
memory
,
which
your selfe
and
many
others
doe
possesse
and
haue
yet
(
praised
be
his
holy
name
that
gaue
it
)
I
haue
attayned
to
so
much
as
hath
giuen
me
a
comfortable
peace
of
conscience
,
to
returne
and
rest
in
the
Church
of
God
againe
.
Now
howsoeuer
you
may
iudge
that
my
vnderstanding
is
partly
corrupted
:
yet
that
you
may
know
that
I
haue
taken
some
paines
to
be
established
in
the
truth
(
as
I
and
the
whole
Church
of
God
in
all
ages
doe
take
it
.
I
will
set
you
downe
some
of
that
,
which
I
can
say
for
the
power
and
authoritie
of
Bishops
aboue
Elders
or
Ministers
,
out
of
the
Epistles
to
Timothy
and
Titus
,
(
which
the
other
day
I
could
not
intend
to
discourse
vpon
and
that
is
this
.
That
the
holy
Ghost
not
onely
appointed
Paul
to
make
them
Bishops
,
but
gaue
them
authority
by
Paules
mouth
first
to
ordaine
:
Secondly
to
examine
such
as
be
faulty
,
thirdly
to
reproue
and
discharge
these
thinges
he
giueth
in
these
two
churches
particularly
to
Timothy
and
Titus
and
their
Successors
,
and
to
all
other
Bishops
of
Christes
Church
foreuer
.
This
is
in
the
text
very
plaine
to
me
,
howsoeuer
we
haue
for
a
time
wholly
relyed
vpon
one
sort
of
men
,
and
taken
all
for
currant
which
hath
beene
taught
vs
,
not
duely
examining
the
reasons
which
are
by
the
other
side
,
brought
to
ref●ll
these
courses
.
Nay
,
their
persons
are
made
so
odious
to
the
poore
ignorant
multitude
,
fauouring
the
Discipline
(
by
certaine
writers
and
preachers
,
)
that
they
can
scarcely
speake
of
them
with
patience
,
much
lesse
reade
and
examine
their
graue
and
learned
reasons
.
But
to
the
point
that
Timothy
had
power
to
ordaine
,
Presbiters
or
Ministers
of
the
word
,
this
text
is
plaine
in
these
wordes
.
1
Tim
:
5.22
.
Lay
handes
sodenly
vpon
man
,
&c.
And
Titus
had
the
same
power
,
1
Tit
.
For
this
cause
left
I
thee
in
Creete
,
that
thou
shouldest
ordaine
elders
in
euery
Cittie
as
I
appointed
thee
.
That
he
gaue
them
power
to
receiue
accusations
and
examine
witnesses
against
Ministers
,
the
text
is
plaine
:
1
Tim
:
5.19
.
Against
an
Elder
receiue
no
accusation
,
but
vnder
two
or
three
witnesses
.
And
in
the
20
verse
he
saith
:
Those
that
sinne
rebuke
them
openly
that
the
rest
may
feare
.
And
that
they
had
power
to
suspend
,
or
stop
the
mouthes
of
contentious
Elders
:
yea
and
to
depriue
,
or
depose
them
from
the
Ministerie
,
is
as
cleare
as
in
Tit
:
Their
mouthes
must
be
stopped
,
which
teach
thinges
they
ought
not
for
filthy
lucre
sake
:
And
1.
Tim
:
1.
Chap.
3.
ver
:
I
prayed
thee
to
abide
at
Ephesus
and
so
doe
,
that
thou
maist
commaund
some
,
that
they
teach
no
other
doctrine
.
This
is
all
the
power
that
the
Church
of
God
in
England
giues
her
Bishops
and
these
are
Bishops
,
as
appeareth
by
the
authoritie
giuen
them
aboue
all
other
Ministers
in
Creet
,
and
Ephesus
.
The
case
therefore
is
cleare
,
that
the
power
of
Bishops
ouer
their
Ministers
within
their
gouerment
,
is
in
these
points
approued
by
the
expres
word
of
God
.
The
obiection
that
Timothy
and
Titus
,
were
Euangelists
,
and
no
Bishops
is
by
many
godly
learned
men
in
England
conf●ted
,
the
obiection
is
without
sense
.
For
no
power
giuen
properly
to
Euangelists
was
to
continue
for
euer
in
the
church
but
this
power
giuen
to
Timothy
and
Titus
,
must
by
Gods
expresse
commandement
continue
for
euer
,
the
text
is
plaine
,
1
Tim
.
6.13.14
.
in
these
wordes
:
I
charge
thee
in
the
sight
of
God
who
quickeneth
all
thinges
,
or
that
thou
keepe
this
commandement
without
spot
,
and
vn-rebukeable
vntill
the
appearing
of
our
Lord
Iesus
Christ
:
T
was
impossible
for
Timothy
to
doe
this
:
these
precepts
therefore
are
giuen
by
the
holy
Ghost
,
to
all
that
shall
come
into
that
holy
calling
of
Bb.
vntill
the
end
of
the
world
,
euen
as
they
were
vnto
Timothy
,
and
Titus
.
See
Perpetuall
gouernment
Chap.
12.13.14
.
This
is
the
Iudgement
of
the
whole
Church
of
Christ
,
for
the
space
of
1500.
yeeres
,
and
more
,
of
the
most
and
best
writers
,
yea
euen
Caluin
,
and
Beza
not
excepted
.
These
thinges
(
Sir
)
would
rather
be
seriously
considered
,
then
carelessely
reiected
.
And
surely
men
may
doe
well
to
make
more
account
of
the
Fathers
and
Martyrs
of
the
Primitiue
church
,
and
of
the
holy
Histories
,
then
in
their
ignorance
to
laugh
at
their
simplenes
,
least
if
we
doe
condemne
all
men
beside
these
which
we
doe
affect
,
See
Suruay
of
holy
discipline
page
131.
132.
133.
&c.
to
be
voide
of
truth
,
we
be
condemned
our selues
,
not
onely
of
our
consciences
,
but
of
posteritie
,
as
beeing
voide
of
sobrietie
.
For
proofe
that
in
all
ages
since
the
Apostles
times
,
the
gouernment
by
Bishops
hath
beene
in
the
Church
,
may
it
please
you
to
reade
with
a
purpose
to
giue
vpright
iudgement
,
the
booke
of
the
Perpetuall
Gouernment
of
Christes
Church
,
and
a
booke
cal●
the
False
Semblance
of
counterfait
discipline
detected
,
and
the
Suruey
of
the
pretended
holy
discipline
,
&c.
Therein
you
shall
sée
such
reasons
against
the
desired
discipline
,
and
for
the
gouernment
of
the
Church
of
England
,
as
may
satisfie
any
indifferent
man
,
except
we
will
reiect
not
onely
the
scriptures
before
alledged
,
but
the
testimonie
of
all
the
counsels
,
churches
,
and
fathers
that
are
gone
before
vs
,
and
also
our
booke
of
Martyrs
,
as
méere
prophane
fables
to
passe
the
time
withall
:
Which
vngodly
conceit
,
I
hope
is
far
from
you
,
and
euery
sober
minded
Christian
.
In
the
booke
of
the
perpetuall
gouernment
of
Christs
Church
,
you
shall
see
all
the
chiefe
reasons
,
of
those
that
doe
vrge
an
other
discipline
set
downe
in
different
letter
by
themselues
,
and
the
same
learnedly
answered
.
There
you
shall
see
all
the
maine
points
of
that
discipline
layd
flat
vnder
foot
:
and
in
the
tenth
chapter
,
Pages
228.
229.
230.
you
shall
see
it
prooued
,
that
there
were
neuer
any
called
elders
in
the
new
testament
,
except
the
ciuill
Gouernors
,
but
such
as
were
Ministers
of
the
word
and
Sacraments
.
And
in
the
13.
Chapter
,
Pages
261
262.
263.
you
shall
see
in
a
Table
a
Catalogue
of
the
names
of
those
Bishops
which
succeeded
one
another
in
the
foure
principall
Citties
of
the
worlde
,
Read
Eusebius
lib
.
7.
Chap.
31.
Page
144.
which
had
receiued
the
faith
,
Ierusalem
,
Alexandria
,
Antioch
and
Rome
vntill
the
councell
of
Nice
,
three
hundred
and
odde
yeeres
after
Christ
,
as
also
the
names
of
the
Bishops
of
the
seuen
Churches
of
Asia
,
Read
Socrates
lib
.
1.
Chap.
5.
Page
222.
223.
and
the
names
of
their
Elders
,
or
Priests
who
came
with
them
to
the
councell
of
Nice
,
and
were
vnder
their
gouernment
,
as
they
who
subscribed
to
the
Councell
together
with
the
Bishops
,
page
263.
which
cleane
euerthroweth
their
conceit
of
the
equalitie
of
Pastors
,
and
so
doth
the
booke
of
Martyres
also
in
the
description
of
the
first
ten
persecutions
:
where
it
is
often
recorded
that
the
Bishops
of
diuers
Citties
were
martyred
with
such
and
such
of
their
Priests
and
Deacons
with
them
,
long
before
poperie
was
hatched
.
See
Caluins
Institutions
lib
.
4.
cap
.
4.
sect
.
2.
Master
Caluine
when
he
wrote
not
his
affections
,
but
his
learned
iudgement
agreeing
fully
with
those
things
,
as
doth
appeare
in
many
places
of
his
Institutions
,
and
more
plaine
it
is
in
his
answere
to
Cardinall
Sadolet
,
where
he
writeth
thus
:
That
if
the
Bishop
of
Geneua
will
forsake
his
popish
religion
,
and
embrace
the
truth
,
he
is
subiect
to
the
greatest
Anathema
,
or
curse
,
or
casting
to
Sathan
that
may
bee
,
which
shall
refuse
to
submit
himselfe
vnto
the
Hierarchy
or
Priestly
gouernment
of
that
Bishop
.
Reade
for
this
the
Booke
called
the
Suruay
of
the
pretended
holy
Discipline
:
and
there
you
shall
finde
Master
Caluine
,
See
Suruay
of
Discipline
pag
.
112.
●13
.
114.
115.
Melanchton
,
M.
Bucer
,
and
others
write
thus
.
Being
appointed
by
the
Emperor
to
set
down
their
iudgements
.
Now
(
say
they
)
by
the
perpetuall
obseruation
of
all
Churches
euen
from
the
Apostles
times
,
Read
Eusebius
,
1.
lib
.
cap
.
1.
and
lib
.
7.
chap.
19.
There
shall
you
see
Iames
made
Bishop
of
Ierusalem
by
the
Apostles
and
yet
was
hee
neuer
called
Beelzebub
,
the
chiefe
of
the
deuils
as
some
religious
Reformers
haue
in
in
print
called
one
of
the
most
reuerend
fathers
of
the
Church
in
this
age
D.
Whitgift
,
Archb.
wee
doe
see
that
it
seemed
good
to
the
holy
Ghost
,
that
amongst
Priests
there
should
be
one
that
should
haue
the
charge
and
care
of
diuers
Churches
,
&
the
whole
Ministerie
committed
vnto
him
.
And
,
by
reason
of
that
charge
he
was
aboue
the
rest
,
and
therefore
the
name
of
Bishop
,
was
attributed
peculiarly
vnto
those
chiefe
Rulers
of
Churches
.
And
then
(
they
say
)
that
in
the
Apostles
times
,
one
of
the
Priests
or
pastors
was
chosen
,
and
ordained
to
bee
the
captaine
or
Prelate
ouer
the
rest
who
went
before
the
rest
and
had
the
care
of
soules
,
and
the
administration
of
the
Episcopall
office
,
specially
in
the
highest
degree
,
and
for
proofe
they
cite
Act.
15.
chap.
and
then
conclude
they
after
this
manner
.
The
like
ordination
(
say
they
)
hath
been
obserued
perpetually
in
other
Churches
;
likewise
as
farre
as
we
may
learne
out
of
Ecclesiasticall
Histories
,
and
the
most
ancient
fathers
,
as
Tertullian
,
Cyprian
,
Ireneus
,
Eusebius
,
and
others
.
Thus
farre
Master
Caluin
and
the
rest
.
Nowe
what
shall
wee
thinke
of
him
,
that
to
winne
our
heartes
to
fauour
his
fancie
,
hath
tolde
vs
in
print
that
Caluine
would
haue
trembled
,
&
shaken
at
the
name
,
and
office
of
a
Bishop
,
which
is
most
false
.
In
the
113.
page
of
the
Suruey
of
Discipline
you
shall
see
his
name
.
And
as
for
M.
Beza
(
howsoeuer
sometimes
he
was
otherwise
minded
)
yet
beeing
drawen
by
some
which
opposed
themselues
against
the
discipline
of
Geneua
,
to
be
thinke
himselfe
better
,
he
is
now
wholy
with
vs
,
as
may
appeare
by
two
Letters
of
his
written
to
the
Lorde
of
Canterbury
his
Grace
that
now
is
,
which
Letters
hee
endorseth
thus
.
To
the
most
reuerend
man
,
and
Father
in
Christ
the
Lord
Archbishop
of
Canterbury
,
Counsellor
to
the
Queenes
Maiestie
,
and
Primate
of
all
England
,
&c.
In
which
Letter
hee
confesseth
the
gouernment
of
the
Church
of
England
,
by
Bishops
and
Archbishops
to
bee
of
God
,
and
that
it
hath
continued
in
the
Church
euer
since
Saint
Marks
time
,
who
was
(
saith
he
)
the
first
Bishop
of
Alexandria
;
and
so
saith
Caluine
and
all
the
olde
Fathers
.
And
in
his
booke
against
D.
Saravia
hee
approueth
of
the
gouernment
of
the
Church
of
England
,
at
large
by
Bishops
and
Archbishops
to
be
of
God
,
and
prayeth
that
that
singular
blessing
of
God
may
be
perpetuall
vnto
that
Church
of
England
.
Read
for
this
Suruay
of
Discipline
,
pages
131.
132.
133.
Now
beloued
in
Christ
,
I
beseech
you
consider
,
if
a
man
altering
his
minde
by
force
of
these
reasons
,
and
many
mo
such
like
,
(
as
I
and
diuers
others
haue
done
)
may
be
said
to
doe
it
without
reason
,
knowledge
,
or
vnderstanding
,
yea
or
no
?
And
if
after
due
consideration
of
these
things
,
you
shall
still
thinke
I
erre
,
yet
I
beseech
you
&
al
other
friends
to
think
as
charitably
of
me
,
your
poore
friend
,
as
of
the
whole
Church
of
Christ
,
in
al
ages
whose
iudgement
in
these
things
I
follow
:
See
Booke
of
Martyrs
last
edition
Columne
1.
page
.
15.
for
surely
mine
error
can
be
no
worse
then
theirs
,
but
I
hope
your
wisedome
will
make
better
vse
of
these
things
,
which
God
grant
,
Amen
.
And
wheras
,
I
say
,
that
if
the
grounds
of
the
discipline
were
true
it
doth
approue
of
a
separation
from
the
Church
of
England
:
thus
I
proue
it
,
and
I
beseech
you
to
marke
the
reasons
,
for
they
will
make
you
and
other
brethren
,
either
to
bee
of
my
minde
concerning
the
gouernment
of
our
Church
,
or
to
ioyne
with
those
that
are
separated
from
it
,
if
you
will
keepe
a
good
conscience
.
For
you
know
there
can
be
no
halting
(
betweene
two
opinions
)
approued
of
God
.
Wee
must
make
the
tree
good
,
See
1.
Kings
18.21
.
Matt
.
7.18
.
Iames
2.
and
his
fruite
good
:
or
the
tree
naught
,
and
his
fruite
naught
.
One
Fountaine
cannot
send
foorth
bitter
and
sweet
waters
.
Now
thus
M.
Cartwright
and
others
haue
written
that
the
Discipline
which
he
propoundeth
is
a
part
of
the
Gospell
,
O.
Marke
how
the
Writers
for
new
Discipline
giues
Brownists
their
holds
in
these
their
books
following
.
For
which
they
shall
neuer
answere
GOD
nor
their
Prince
,
but
by
repentance
,
which
God
grant
may
bee
as
faithfull
and
as
effectual
as
was
that
of
Origene
,
whereof
we
read
in
Eusebius
lib
.
7.
pages
122.
123.
And
then
no
doubt
they
will
labour
to
perswade
all
men
to
thinke
well
of
the
present
gouernment
contrary
to
their
former
bookes
and
writing
wherein
they
haue
disgraced
it
.
which
if
it
were
true
,
then
are
not
they
the
Church
of
God
which
refuse
the
same
,
and
so
this
separation
from
the
Church
of
England
is
by
them
iustified
.
Againe
,
he
writes
more
plainly
thus
:
That
Discipline
is
an
vnseparable
marke
of
the
true
Church
,
which
if
any
man
beleeue
,
he
must
needs
forsake
the
Church
of
England
,
for
it
hath
not
that
marke
of
his
:
nay
(
you
know
)
it
doth
reiect
it
as
a
meere
counterfait
.
Now
the
Church
can
no
more
be
without
her
proper
markes
,
then
fire
without
heate
or
faith
without
good
workes
,
as
Master
Doctor
Sutcliffe
hath
well
proued
in
the
three
last
Chapters
of
the
False
semblant
of
counterfait
discipline
detected
,
(
as
he
calles
his
booke
)
where
he
hath
likewise
prooued
by
the
olde
and
new
testament
,
and
the
practise
of
all
the
olde
and
new
Churches
(
some
few
of
late
excepted
)
and
by
the
iugement
of
old
and
new
writers
,
That
it
is
no
marke
of
the
Church
,
Aegesippus
and
Clemens
who
were
the
Apostles
successors
approoues
of
a
contrary
order
,
see
Eusebius
lib
.
2.
&
chap.
1.
lib
.
4.
chap.
8.
and
lib
.
24.
neither
ought
to
be
in
the
church
of
God
,
because
it
is
a
message
of
contention
,
&
brawling
,
and
hath
wrought
great
discomfort
in
the
hearts
of
the
godly
,
and
hath
destroyed
many
soules
(
without
Gods
great
mercie
)
which
are
departed
from
the
Church
vppon
offence
taken
by
it
.
Reade
it
for
more
proofe
against
it
.
Another
reason
is
this
.
From
that
Church
which
hath
a
new
and
strange
ministerie
,
neuer
ordained
by
God
,
ought
euery
one
that
will
be
saued
,
to
separate
but
such
is
the
Church
of
England
,
say
the
Disciplinarians
&
namely
Master
Cartwright
Booke
2.
pages
438.
439.
and
445
and
the
Sermon
vpon
the
12
to
the
Romanes
in
these
words
:
This
sermon
is
the
foundation
of
Brownisme
,
and
is
fully
confuted
by
M.
Rogers
of
.
wee
want
our
Pastors
,
Teachers
,
Elders
,
Deacons
,
and
widowes
,
and
in
steed
of
them
,
haue
the
false
Ministers
of
Antichrist
,
Namely
,
Archbishops
,
Bishops
,
Priestes
and
Deacons
,
who
stole
in
(
saith
hee
)
whiles
the
watchmen
were
asleepe
,
and
with
the
length
of
their
vnlawfull
swordes
(
marke
I
pray
you
,
how
Master
Chadderton
disputes
for
a
separation
)
kept
out
the
Ministers
of
Christ
.
If
this
be
true
,
the
Church
of
England
is
not
the
Church
of
God
,
and
then
we
ought
still
to
separate
.
Another
reason
is
this
.
From
that
Church
which
hath
not
onely
a
false
Ministerie
but
a
false
worship
,
and
false
counterfeit
Sacraments
ought
euery
one
to
separate
.
But
such
is
the
Church
of
England
,
saith
Master
Cartwright
,
and
the
rest
of
the
Admonitioners
to
the
Parliament
,
in
their
two
admonitions
(
confuted
by
my
Lorde
of
Canterburie
that
now
is
)
in
these
words
:
Wee
stand
not
for
trifles
,
as
for
Cappe
&
Surplesse
(
as
we
are
falsely
charged
)
but
for
a
true
worship
,
&
for
Ministerie
of
GOD
,
and
for
the
true
sacraments
of
Iesus
Christ
,
This
is
the
very
principall
of
all
the
the
Brownists
arguments
for
their
separation
that
wee
want
the
true
worship
,
Ministerie
,
and
Sacraments
of
God
(
as
these
men
say
)
and
indeede
if
our
Church
did
want
them
,
the
Brownists
were
in
the
right
,
for
then
could
not
our
church
be
the
church
of
God
.
which
beeing
once
established
,
the
rest
melt
away
of
themselues
.
And
in
another
place
of
that
Book
they
say
.
That
our
publike
worship
was
raked
,
or
culled
out
of
the
Popes
dunghil
.
And
that
our
ministery
is
come
as
out
of
the
Troiā
horses
belley
,
to
destroy
the
church
of
God
.
Now
of
these
their
Doctrines
were
true
,
which
are
the
very
grounds
of
their
Discipline
,
the
Church
of
England
could
not
be
the
Church
of
God
,
for
the
reasons
aforesaid
,
neither
may
any
ioyne
therewith
,
but
they
must
be
pertakers
of
her
sinnes
,
and
so
of
her
plagues
.
But
these
their
grounds
are
most
false
,
and
schismaticall
:
and
if
any
be
otherwise
minded
,
it
seemes
to
me
,
that
hee
hath
small
vnderstanding
,
and
lesse
conscience
,
if
he
doe
not
ioyne
with
those
that
haue
rent
themselues
from
our
Church
commonly
called
the
Brownists
.
Many
such
doctrines
they
haue
in
their
writings
,
and
some
more
dangerous
:
but
these
are
sufficient
to
prooue
that
for
which
they
are
alledged
.
For
these
and
such
like
doctrines
of
theirs
,
together
with
the
exclamings
and
disgracings
of
the
persons
of
many
learned
men
,
both
Bishops
and
others
,
withall
manner
of
vi●uperous
words
,
hath
drawne
a
multitude
of
poore
simple
people
from
the
Church
,
into
this
schismaticall
separation
to
their
vtter
destruction
,
some
by
gallowes
,
some
by
imprisonment
and
some
by
banishing
themselues
vnforcedly
.
God
direct
all
his
Elect
to
discerne
of
such
seducing
doctrines
,
and
to
avoyde
them
,
and
make
vs
of
one
minde
,
and
iudgement
in
approouing
of
his
ordinances
in
the
Church
of
England
.
That
so
we
may
without
grudging
or
dissenting
bitterly
one
from
another
(
as
the
manner
of
some
is
)
ioyne
together
in
the
same
ordinances
of
God
,
with
peaceable
&
quiet
consciences
like
true
members
of
the
bodie
of
that
Church
whereof
Christ
is
the
head
.
Because
those
ordinances
are
approoued
out
of
the
Epistles
of
Paul
to
Timothy
,
and
Titus
,
to
be
of
God
&
by
the
iudgement
of
all
the
Churches
of
God
in
this
world
,
for
a
thousand
fiue
hundred
yeers
and
more
.
Who
neuer
knew
other
ordinances
:
nor
gaue
other
exhortations
from
those
Scriptures
in
that
matter
of
gouernment
,
as
Bishop
Cranmer
,
Bishop
Hooper
,
Bishop
Latimer
,
Farrar
,
Ridly
,
Philpot
,
doe
testifie
which
practise
and
iudgement
of
the
whole
Church
of
Christ
approued
by
these
our
late
Martyrs
(
who
liued
and
dyed
vnder
the
same
gouernment
)
it
is
more
then
presumption
to
reiect
,
except
men
doe
thinke
themselues
wiser
in
this
troublesome
age
,
then
all
the
world
were
before
them
.
And
except
they
think
that
all
the
godly
Histories
left
for
the
helpe
of
posterities
,
be
of
no
more
credite
than
Guy
a
Warwicke
,
or
Scoggins
iests
,
which
were
too
profaine
a
conceit
for
any
Christian
man
.
You
willed
me
not
to
be
an
enemy
to
those
men
which
haue
deuised
,
and
doe
fauor
this
new
Discipline
.
I
protest
before
him
that
searcheth
the
heartes
and
reines
,
that
I
honor
many
of
them
for
their
gifts
,
and
paines
in
the
Church
of
God
:
and
was
easily
drawne
to
receiue
their
iudgement
in
this
point
,
to
like
of
it
,
and
to
walke
in
it
,
although
to
my
very
great
hinderance
,
vntill
I
saw
it
confuted
by
a
manifest
truth
,
confirmed
by
the
Scriptures
,
Fathers
,
and
themselues
,
who
diuers
of
them
haue
both
by
their
writings
and
practise
confuted
their
owne
former
positions
(
touching
these
things
)
I
me●●e
both
strangers
,
and
men
of
our
owne
nation
.
Now
I
beseech
you
once
more
,
though
not
for
my
sake
which
am
(
as
you
say
)
without
all
knowledge
&
vnderstanding
,
yet
for
the
church
of
Gods
sake
,
and
for
those
learned
mens
sakes
,
from
whose
works
&
at
whose
feet
I
haue
learned
these
things
(
euen
as
Paul
did
the
law
at
the
feete
of
Gamaliell
)
&
especially
for
your
own
good
,
consider
indifferently
of
these
things
,
and
then
returne
mee
the
christian
censure
of
them
.
The
Lord
make
you
able
to
giue
a
true
iudgement
,
to
whose
protection
I
commit
you
,
and
your
charge
.
Dated
this
17.
of
August
.
1599.
Your
poore
brother
in
the
Lord
Peter
Fairelamb
.
Let
the
Reader
iudge
,
not
according
to
the
outward
appearance
,
but
iudge
righteous
iudgement
.
Iohn
7.24
.
Aprill
.
1599.
In
the
Play
of
Sainct
.
Cruss
.
MAister
Bern-here
,
since
I
last
wrote
you
an
answere
to
the
reprochfull
Letter
,
wherein
you
published
mee
to
bee
vsed
in
Barbary
as
a
spie
,
and
an
Informer
,
I
haue
receiued
three
Letters
from
you
,
and
a
booke
pretending
to
answere
that
short
discourse
which
I
sent
you
at
your
request
.
How
it
is
performed
,
let
the
indifferent
iudge
.
I
was
fully
purposed
to
haue
giuen
ouer
this
contending
with
you
,
hauing
neither
lust
,
nor
leasure
to
employ
my
wittes
that
way
,
as
you
might
wel
perceiued
by
my
silence
to
your
2.
Letters
and
your
booke
.
Perceiuing
also
my
disgrace
to
be
sought
by
sending
your
Letters
open
to
my
chiefest
friendes
:
whose
affections
you
haue
drawen
before
to
approoue
wholy
of
your
Iudgement
,
especially
one
of
them
:
But
I
hope
the
Lord
will
make
manifest
,
ere
long
,
his
truth
to
them
all
that
are
thus
seduced
:
in
the
meane
time
ne●ther
you
nor
they
shall
want
my
prayers
to
effect
it
.
In
this
your
Letter
you
often
vrged
me
to
answere
you
,
and
likewise
in
your
booke
,
and
in
the
other
large
Letter
.
Truely
M.
Bernhere
,
you
haue
(
me
thinkes
)
no
reason
so
to
doe
,
the
match
being
so
vnequall
in
many
respects
.
For
if
my
knowledge
were
comparable
to
yours
,
as
(
the
Lord
knoweth
)
it
is
inferior
to
many
thousands
of
my
brethren
:
yet
you
should
consider
that
I
haue
a
great
charge
of
small
children
to
sustaine
by
mine
hand-labour
,
hauing
no
other
helpe
at
all
left
,
from
which
,
me
thinks
,
you
should
not
thus
withdraw
mee
.
In
the
last
Letter
you
are
offended
that
I
should
write
I.
W.
What
I
conceaue
of
your
booke
:
but
I
must
craue
your
patience
to
write
both
to
you
and
others
what
I
conceiue
in
these
causes
.
You
are
likewise
offended
,
that
I
should
write
to
him
that
you
are
so
farre
from
confessing
your
ouersight
imagining
me
to
be
a
spie
and
an
informer
,
that
you
perswade
me
,
if
I
be
not
,
to
become
one
.
You
demande
of
me
,
if
you
perswade
me
to
be
a
busie
body
,
and
an
informer
.
I
answere
,
you
doe
.
Your
words
be
these
:
If
you
beleeue
that
Discipline
to
be
a
devise
of
men
,
&
the
gouernment
by
Bishops
to
be
Gods
ordinance
,
then
surely
(
say
you
)
vnlesse
you
would
betray
the
truth
of
God
,
and
be
a
boulsterer
of
error
&
fancie
in
the
worship
of
God
,
yea
,
bee
a
foe
to
so
many
Countrymen
,
by
perswasion
now
in
danger
to
be
deeiued
.
Then
I
say
you
ought
to
stand
against
me
,
and
others
therin
and
also
to
informe
of
vs
to
the
Magistrates
of
our
Lande
,
to
preuent
the
danger
which
by
our
vnlawfull
courses
in
matters
of
religion
,
&
Gods
worship
so
many
Englishmen
might
be
brought
into
.
Therefore
to
informe
in
such
a
case
,
&
vpon
such
grounds
were
no
bad
part
,
but
the
part
both
of
a
good
subiect
,
and
of
a
good
Christian
.
Thus
much
concerning
the
words
,
wherein
you
both
send
me
word
that
you
are
about
to
deceiue
her
Maiesties
subiects
,
and
perswade
me
to
informe
against
you
in
this
matter
:
both
which
you
denie
in
your
last
letter
:
at
which
I
greatly
maruell
,
and
doe
indeed
impute
it
to
your
want
of
memorie
.
You
are
likewise
offended
that
I
should
write
to
Richard
Ratcliffe
(
sometimes
my
seruant
)
how
you
and
M.
Iohnson
conceiue
of
me
.
But
you
haue
no
reason
so
to
be
.
For
beeing
by
M.
Iohnson
falsely
standered
,
wh●ch
by
three
letters
(
which
here
I
haue
by
Gods
prouidence
)
may
appeare
,
and
by
you
strongly
suspected
both
in
that
matter
,
and
others
,
as
by
your
letters
appeareth
likwise
.
And
seeing
the
affections
of
olde
friends
are
drawne
from
me
,
I
haue
no
man
f●●ter
to
acquaint
with
my
griefe
,
that
would
minister
any
comfort
to
my
afflicted
soule
,
than
he
,
whom
I
brought
vp
in
m●ne
house
of
a
ladde
:
who
must
needs
know
my
carriage
better
in
seuen
yeares
seruice
,
than
either
M.
Iohnson
or
you
:
and
I
doubt
not
will
speake
according
to
his
knowledge
,
in
defence
of
my
credit
against
whomsoeuer
.
For
although
by
following
these
troublesome
courses
,
I
haue
beene
brought
poore
,
and
so
remaine
,
whereby
I
haue
not
the
credit
with
the
rich
men
of
the
world
,
which
you
and
others
haue
:
yet
I
praise
God
,
my
carriage
hath
beene
such
towards
all
men
,
that
if
need
required
.
I
could
bring
the
testimony
,
not
only
of
my
neighbours
of
the
best
sort
,
where
I
haue
beene
,
and
doe
dwell
,
but
of
those
who
brought
me
vp
in
London
:
and
of
all
others
,
with
whom
I
haue
dealt
in
worldly
affaires
,
for
my
good
behauiour
.
You
are
also
not
pleased
,
that
I
say
you
oppose
your
iudgement
,
and
some
others
by
you
mistaken
against
the
Primitiue
Church
,
and
those
that
haue
,
and
those
that
had
succeeded
them
vntill
this
age
.
But
that
which
I
haue
said
is
true
,
and
now
you
iustifie
it
.
For
here
you
say
,
you
bring
reasons
to
prooue
your
Discipline
lawfull
,
and
to
confute
the
contrarie
,
as
you
say
in
the
booke
:
whereby
,
what
doe
you
else
conclude
,
but
that
so
many
hundred
of
learned
Bishops
,
and
most
of
them
godly
Martyrs
,
were
ignorant
of
the
sense
of
the
Scriptures
:
yea
euen
since
the
Apostles
times
,
and
had
thrust
out
Christs
kingdome
(
as
you
call
it
)
to
establish
their
owne
deuises
.
For
that
this
gouernment
by
Bishops
,
hath
continued
in
the
Church
since
the
Apostles
times
,
and
so
is
according
to
the
word
of
God
,
See
Eusebius
,
lib
.
2.
chap.
1.
pa.
19.
that
Iames
was
Bishop
of
Ierusalem
,
and
chap.
23.
&c.
and
the
practise
of
the
Primitiue
church
.
M.
Fox
out
of
all
Ecclesiasticall
histories
doeth
affirme
,
who
should
be
as
well
able
to
iudge
,
giuing
himselfe
wholly
to
the
kind
of
studie
,
That
Marke
was
Bishop
of
Alexandria
,
read
Eusebius
booke
2.
chap.
24.
page
35.
for
seuen
yeres
together
,
as
much
as
any
which
is
of
your
minde
,
no
disgrace
to
either
of
them
.
And
with
him
,
agree
Caluine
and
Beza
,
though
you
denie
it
twenty
times
,
That
Titus
&
Timothy
were
Bishops
of
Creta
and
Ephesus
,
read
Eusebius
lib
.
3.
chap.
4.
page
37.
whose
authoritie
,
I
thinke
,
will
beare
downe
all
your
seuen
sheetes
of
paper
,
wrote
to
prooue
the
contrarie
.
as
is
shewed
in
my
first
writing
to
you
of
this
matter
at
large
.
And
heere
is
that
answered
,
where
you
demaund
,
how
our
Booke
of
Martyrs
is
become
an
olde
wiues
fable
.
I
wrote
I.W.
and
doe
indeede
still
affirme
,
that
if
your
Booke
doe
defend
a
Truth
,
our
Booke
of
Martyrs
is
worse
than
an
olde
wiues
fable
.
For
men
doe
read
of
Guy
of
Warwicke
,
and
of
Launcelet
,
one
of
the
Knights
of
the
Round
fable
,
of
King
Arthur
,
as
of
fables
,
and
men
giue
no
credit
to
them
,
and
so
can
take
little
harme
by
them
,
except
losse
of
time
,
which
might
be
better
bestowed
.
But
men
read
the
Booke
of
Martyrs
,
as
a
booke
of
credit
,
next
to
the
booke
of
God
.
At
least
,
I
meane
,
that
part
which
concerneth
the
state
of
the
poore
Churches
,
for
300.
yeares
after
Christ
.
In
which
time
,
the
Pope
of
Rome
had
no
more
authoritie
,
See
book
of
Martyrs
,
last
Edition
,
page
8.
than
other
Popes
had
:
for
the
name
was
then
common
to
all
Bishops
,
saith
M.
Foxe
.
And
whereas
you
doe
maruell
that
I
will
alleadge
the
Booke
of
Martyrs
,
seeing
M.
Foxe
(
as
you
say
)
hath
many
things
against
the
gouernment
of
our
Church
by
Bishops
.
I
maruell
much
more
,
why
you
should
dislike
the
alledging
of
it
,
seeing
it
is
the
vniuersall
iudgement
of
Gods
Church
,
whose
practise
together
with
their
iudgement
,
is
wholy
against
you
,
as
all
Histories
doe
witnesse
.
For
his
iudgement
concerning
Archbishops
and
Bishops
,
Read
booke
of
Martyrs
,
page
15.
last
edition
;
there
Master
Fox
affirmes
,
that
the
Offices
of
Archbishops
,
Bishops
,
Priests
and
Deacons
,
are
lawfull
by
the
word
of
God
,
and
the
practise
of
the
Primitiue
church
.
I
hope
he
will
bee
no
more
abused
against
Bishops
authoritie
.
Reade
15
page
,
neither
is
there
any
thing
in
it
,
against
our
Churches
as
you
say
.
For
where
any
of
the
Martyrs
which
suffered
vnder
Antichrist
wrote
or
spake
against
Bishops
they
are
to
bee
vnderstood
of
the
Bishop
of
Rome
,
and
his
adherents
,
neuer
meaning
thereby
to
disgrace
those
Bishops
that
professed
the
truth
.
Let
Caluine
and
Beza
speake
for
all
the
rest
.
Caluine
doth
acknowledge
him
to
bee
subiect
vnto
the
greatest
curse
or
casting
to
the
deuill
the
may
be
,
which
shall
not
be
subiect
to
the
Bishop
of
Geneua
,
if
hee
will
leaue
his
popish
religion
,
and
confesseth
in
many
other
places
,
that
this
order
came
from
the
Apostles
,
as
I
haue
shewed
in
my
former
writing
.
M.
Beza
hath
likewise
cleered
this
point
,
both
for
himselfe
and
his
fellowes
,
not
onely
in
his
booke
against
Sarauia
,
speaking
of
the
Church
of
England
by
name
,
but
more
particularly
in
his
letters
to
the
L.
Archbishop
of
Canterburie
,
subscribed
by
himselfe
and
Sadeel
,
in
the
name
of
the
whole
Ministrie
of
Geneua
:
wherein
he
professeth
that
it
troubled
them
much
,
that
any
man
should
apply
that
which
they
had
written
against
the
Antichrist
of
Rome
,
to
the
Bishops
professing
the
Gospell
,
and
wisheth
that
such
arrogancie
may
be
farre
from
them
.
Let
vs
heare
no
more
of
Caluin
and
Beza
,
I
pray
you
,
for
you
see
that
which
I
said
to
be
true
:
that
whensoeuer
any
learned
men
did
oppose
against
them
in
this
point
,
they
yielded
to
truth
,
shewing
themselues
to
be
conscionable
men
.
And
I
pray
to
God
that
others
which
are
of
that
humour
,
would
herein
followe
their
example
.
To
these
might
be
added
,
the
authoritie
&
iudgement
of
many
other
late
writers
,
but
M.
Foxe
shall
conclude
this
point
,
where
hee
writeth
thus
:
Setting
downe
what
gouernment
the
Scriptures
,
and
the
practise
of
the
Primitiue
Church
approoueth
,
affirming
that
the
Church
of
England
hath
the
same
in
vse
:
his
words
be
these
,
page
15.
before
cited
.
We
take
not
away
(
saith
he
)
the
distinctions
of
ordinarie
degrees
,
such
as
by
the
Scriptures
bee
appointed
,
or
by
the
Primitiue
Church
allowed
:
as
first
,
Patriarkes
or
Archbishops
:
secondly
,
Bishops
thirdly
Ministers
:
fourthly
,
Deacons
:
for
of
these
foure
we
read
.
Then
Laie
Elders
were
not
known
to
the
first
Churches
,
by
M.
Foxe
his
iudgement
.
In
which
fower
degrees
,
as
we
grant
diuersitie
of
office
,
so
we
,
speaking
of
the
Church
of
England
,
doe
admit
in
the
same
diuersitie
of
dignity
(
away
with
equalitie
)
neither
denying
that
which
is
due
to
each
degree
,
nor
yet
maintaining
the
ambition
of
any
singular
person
.
For
as
wee
giue
to
the
Minister
place
aboue
the
Deacon
to
the
Bishop
aboue
the
Minister
,
to
the
Archbishop
aboue
the
Bishop
,
&c.
Here
is
,
I
say
,
neuer
a
Lay
and
vnpreaching
Elder
and
yet
M.
Foxe
saith
,
this
is
to
keepe
an
order
duely
and
truely
in
the
Church
,
and
so
doth
Augustine
by
him
cited
.
Let
vs
heare
no
more
of
M.
Fox
I
pray
you
for
you
see
that
he
hath
giuen
you
the
bagge
,
in
his
owne
direct
iudgement
,
grounding
himselfe
,
as
I
will
say
,
vpon
the
word
,
and
purest
Churches
of
God
.
Concerning
the
Lord
Cobham
and
M.
Swinderly
whom
you
mention
as
friends
to
your
cause
I
say
they
neuer
dreamed
of
this
discipline
you
vrge
,
nor
euer
withstood
the
authoritie
of
Bishops
maintaining
the
truth
of
Christs
Gospell
as
ours
doe
.
They
dealt
against
the
Pope
and
his
vsurped
authoritie
,
according
to
their
knowledge
which
was
far
short
,
God
knoweth
,
of
that
perfection
,
our
Bishops
are
come
vnto
,
and
doe
by
the
mercie
of
God
both
professe
and
preach
.
Let
the
storie
of
Swinderley
,
though
he
were
a
Scholler
and
a
Priest
,
witnesse
.
The
like
answere
you
must
receaue
to
Iohn
Claidons
second
article
,
booke
of
Martyrs
page
588.
which
you
alledge
as
a
proofe
that
our
Bishops
are
Antichristian
,
and
the
seates
of
the
beast
.
But
I
wonder
that
you
would
once
conceiue
,
that
any
in
his
right
wits
would
beleeue
you
.
These
are
Iohn
Claidons
wordes
:
Artic
.
2.
That
Arch-bishops
and
Bishops
indifferently
are
the
seats
of
the
beast
Antichrist
,
when
Antichrist
sitteth
in
them
,
and
raigneth
aboue
other
people
in
the
darke
cause
of
errors
,
and
heresies
maintained
by
them
.
Now
what
kinde
of
reason
is
this
.
Clayden
saith
and
truly
.
For
I
know
no
Protestants
differ
from
him
in
so
saying
,
that
al
those
Archbishops
,
or
Bishops
which
maintain
the
idolatrous
Religion
of
Rome
,
&
the
vsurped
power
of
the
pope
,
are
the
seats
of
Antichrist
.
Therefore
all
those
Archbishops
and
Bishops
,
that
professe
the
glorious
Gospel
of
Christ
,
and
renounce
the
vsurped
power
of
the
Pope
,
are
the
seates
of
Antichrist
.
If
honest
Iohn
Clayden
heard
you
thus
straine
his
wordes
,
contrarie
to
his
true
meaning
,
hee
would
thinke
the
worse
of
your
new
discipline
whiles
hee
liued
.
I
beleeue
,
a
man
may
truly
say
that
all
those
Lords
,
knights
and
Gentlemen
,
which
haue
renounced
her
Maiesties
lawfull
authoritie
,
and
ioyned
with
that
Irish
Traytor
Tyrone
;
are
indifferently
enemies
to
her
Maiestie
:
but
he
were
a
bad
or
mad
Logician
that
would
hereupon
conclude
,
that
all
the
Lordes
,
Knights
&
Gentlemen
in
England
,
Scotland
,
and
the
whole
world
were
enemies
to
her
Highnesse
.
This
is
not
farre
from
Tom
Scull
his
argument
.
Concerning
the
Lorde
Cobham
,
I
beleeue
that
he
is
so
far
from
releeuing
your
cause
in
this
point
,
that
if
his
words
might
be
taken
,
hee
cleane
confutes
it
.
For
in
his
last
answere
before
Thomas
Arundell
,
Archbishop
of
Canterburie
and
others
.
Hee
confesseth
that
there
were
many
godly
Bishops
in
Rome
before
Antichrists
time
,
See
book
of
Martyrs
pag
.
518.
in
the
Margent
of
the
last
edition
.
whereof
26.
were
Martyrs
,
foure
excepted
.
Maister-Fox
,
setteth
downe
their
names
in
his
first
booke
.
You
wonder
that
I
should
write
,
that
there
was
no
Papist
nor
Poperie
,
●n
the
time
of
the
first
ten
persecutions
,
nor
long
after
,
but
I
still
affirme
it
,
grounding
my selfe
vpon
M.
Fox
,
whose
whole
studie
for
many
yeeres
was
,
to
publish
the
truth
of
all
Histories
,
Councels
and
Fathers
,
who
was
as
well
able
,
I
beleeue
to
iudge
in
that
case
,
as
any
that
oppose
themselues
against
him
.
Now
he
diuides
the
Church
into
her
sundry
estates
before
the
Apostacie
.
The
first
300
,
yeeres
,
hee
termes
the
suffering
time
,
the
next
three
hundred
yeeres
the
growing
time
,
the
third
three
hundred
yeers
,
the
declining
time
.
I
hope
your
wonder
is
now
at
an
ende
.
For
I
doe
still
affirme
vpon
this
ground
,
that
for
fiue
or
sixe
hundred
yeeres
,
there
was
neither
Pope
nor
Papist
as
wee
doe
nowe
vnderstand
Pope
and
Papist
:
And
as
for
Poperie
,
which
you
say
was
in
the
tenne
first
persecutions
,
I
thinke
you
can
hardly
prooue
that
any
one
Citie
,
or
Church
did
for
two
or
three
hundred
yeeres
after
that
,
if
not
moe
,
professe
that
Religion
wholy
which
is
now
taught
in
Rome
:
nay
,
I
am
sure
,
you
cannot
.
But
if
by
Poperie
you
meane
any
error
or
corruption
in
doctrine
.
I
doe
withstand
you
.
For
so
wee
may
say
there
was
Poperie
in
the
time
of
Christ
,
yea
and
long
before
,
euen
from
the
beginning
,
which
were
absurd
.
Concerning
Poperie
I
take
it
(
vnder
correction
)
to
be
the
huge
heape
and
dunghill
of
errors
and
traditions
,
partly
consisting
of
the
errors
of
the
Fathers
,
and
partly
of
the
deuises
and
inuentions
of
the
latter
Popes
of
Rome
contrary
,
and
besides
the
Scriptures
in
many
yeeres
patched
together
,
and
confirmed
by
the
Pope
to
be
obserued
,
vnder
paine
of
their
heauie
curse
,
and
crymation
of
heresie
,
Lollardie
,
and
what
other
name
of
reproch
soeuer
,
vpon
all
those
that
submit
not
themselues
thervnto
in
the
Apostaticall
Church
with
an
immunitie
of
disobeence
to
the
holy
and
sacred
word
of
God
&c.
that
the
Scriptures
might
be
fulfilled
.
2.
Thes
.
4.23
.
Next
you
affirme
,
that
you
desire
to
conforme
the
Merchants
,
to
the
French
and
Dutch
Church
.
To
which
I
say
but
this
,
that
seeing
they
are
English
subiects
,
you
should
haue
done
much
better
to
haue
conformed
them
to
the
godly
proceedings
of
their
Pr●nce
and
Church
at
home
,
where
by
Gods
grace
,
they
meane
to
spend
their
dayes
,
and
from
which
I
hope
they
will
not
be
easily
drawen
.
But
you
take
occasion
to
affirme
that
discipline
to
be
Gods
perpetuall
Ordinance
,
because
her
Maiestie
and
the
Bishops
,
as
you
said
(
as
though
they
were
her
parteners
)
doe
suffer
it
in
London
.
But
you
had
forgotten
that
Mully
Hammet
suffers
you
to
professe
the
Gospel
in
Moroccus
,
and
the
Masse
is
likewise
suffred
there
,
and
yet
the
King
neither
approoues
the
one
nor
the
other
.
And
if
her
Maiestie
should
vpon
occasion
(
as
sometime
she
hath
done
)
suffer
the
Masse
to
bee
vsed
by
Strangers
in
England
,
it
were
a
sawsie
part
for
any
priuate
Subiect
(
as
I
take
it
)
to
withstand
her
or
charge
her
to
approue
of
it
therein
.
But
what
is
her
suffering
of
them
in
London
to
you
which
affirme
that
discipline
,
to
bee
of
Gods
pertual
ordinance
,
&
our
by
her
highnesse
established
to
be
Antichristian
and
diuelish
,
as
many
of
you
haue
written
.
But
the
French
and
Dutch
Churches
neuer
held
any
such
thing
,
witnes
Caluine
and
Beza
,
as
is
beforesaid
.
And
though
hir
Maiestie
and
the
State
were
not
so
precise
at
their
first
comming
,
as
to
examine
them
of
euery
particular
,
seeing
they
were
driuen
out
of
their
countrie
,
for
the
Gospel
sake
:
yet
some
of
them
haue
,
at
least
their
Teachers
(
as
I
haue
heard
)
subscribed
to
her
Highnes
godly
proceedings
,
like
peaceable
Christian
brethren
:
and
haue
done
it
of
purpose
to
satisfie
her
Highnes
,
that
they
were
no
fauourers
of
any
that
refused
to
doe
the
like
.
Whereas
you
will
me
to
send
you
order
,
how
to
deliuer
the
Sacraments
:
I
answer
,
as
Elutherius
Bishop
of
Rome
did
to
King
Lucius
of
England
:
You
haue
Gods
Booke
,
there
may
you
see
how
.
But
this
withall
,
if
you
in
least
make
mee
a
Pope
,
I
say
it
is
against
your
profession
:
and
if
you
be
in
earnest
,
when
you
come
home
,
resort
to
your
Ordinarie
,
and
he
no
doubt
will
aduise
you
to
minister
according
to
her
Maiesties
lawes
:
and
withall
,
admonish
you
of
your
fault
,
for
presuming
to
oppose
your selfe
against
a
Church
established
according
to
Gods
word
,
and
the
practise
of
all
Antiquitie
,
before
you
knew
how
to
administer
according
to
your
calling
.
Concerning
your
booke
,
although
I
was
purposed
not
to
haue
written
you
any
more
,
for
the
reasons
aforesaid
:
yet
being
by
you
so
earnestly
prouoked
,
I
wil
take
a
little
paines
to
shew
you
my
iudgement
briefly
,
to
some
of
your
Allegations
,
in
certaine
marginall
notes
.
And
if
you
desire
any
more
generall
and
large
answere
,
I
must
referre
you
to
those
,
to
whom
it
belongs
,
and
whose
disgrace
you
doe
especially
labour
in
it
,
insinuating
that
they
misalleadge
the
Fathers
,
and
the
new
writers
:
and
are
con●rary
to
themselues
,
especially
father
Bilson
.
But
one
thing
in
your
Booke
I
much
muse
at
,
Namely
,
why
you
beare
me
in
hand
,
that
Bishop
Hooper
and
Bishop
Iewell
are
approouers
of
your
Discipline
,
and
enemies
to
the
authoritie
of
bishops
,
which
I
dare
say
they
neuer
dreamed
of
,
at
least
not
of
approouing
your
Discipline
.
Truly
,
if
I
were
driuen
to
so
poore
a
shift
for
the
defence
of
your
Discipline
,
I
would
leaue
it
in
the
plaine
field
to
seeke
a
new
proctor
.
I
haue
read
bishop
Hooper
,
vpon
the
eight
Commandement
very
often
,
and
there
is
no
one
word
at
all
that
you
alledge
out
of
him
touching
the
authoritie
of
Bishops
,
either
concerning
bad
Bishops
or
good
,
except
you
will
reason
thus
.
Bishop
Hooper
reprooues
other
Bishops
for
not
preaching
so
oft
,
and
so
carefully
as
they
should
and
therefore
your
Discipline
is
lawfull
.
Or
thus
,
Bishop
Hooper
saith
,
a
Bishop
should
bee
but
bishop
of
one
Citie
or
Bishopricke
as
hee
was
,
therefore
Bishops
are
Antichristian
and
vnlawfull
.
But
(
as
little
wit
as
I
haue
)
to
reason
thus
is
without
reason
.
For
if
a
Preacher
at
Pauls
crosse
,
reprooue
the
Iudges
for
corruption
in
iudgement
or
iustice
,
doth
it
follow
thereupon
that
hee
denies
the
Magistrates
lawfull
authoritie
.
The
like
answere
you
must
receiue
to
bishop
Iewell
,
and
Doctor
Raynolds
,
who
(
you
say
)
approoues
of
your
Discipline
.
For
thus
I
finde
bishop
Iewell
,
giue
his
censure
against
it
,
Namely
,
that
it
is
an
new
assertion
of
yonglings
.
It
is
but
wantonnesse
(
saith
hee
)
correction
will
helpe
it
,
doe
you
not
thinke
that
God
will
call
you
to
account
for
thus
abusing
his
holy
Seruants
,
by
perswading
the
world
that
they
fauoured
your
fancies
,
and
that
(
as
it
is
to
bee
feared
)
against
your
consciences
.
See
Eusebius
lib
.
2.
chap.
23.
page
.
32.
But
M.
Raynolds
you
alledge
oft
,
who
affirmeth
that
Iames
was
not
the
bishop
of
Ierusalem
.
For
that
were
to
preferre
him
out
of
the
hall
into
the
kitchin
(
say
you
)
For
answere
heerevnto
I
say
,
that
it
is
like
that
Clemens
and
Aegesippus
(
who
liued
in
the
next
age
to
the
Apostles
)
should
know
as
well
as
M.
Reynolds
,
(
no
disgrace
to
that
learned
and
godly
man
)
&
they
affirme
him
to
be
bishop
of
that
citie
,
as
M.
Fox
cites
them
,
page
.
30.
And
so
doe
all
the
Fathers
of
the
Primitiue
church
,
as
farr
as
I
can
learne
,
but
you
(
as
it
seemes
)
are
in
conceite
that
men
will
beleeue
your
writings
without
all
examination
:
But
beleeue
mee
,
we
haue
done
so
too
long
,
or
els
I
see
not
why
you
should
alledge
M.
Doctor
Raynolds
,
against
the
lawfull
authoritie
of
our
Bishops
,
who
howsoeuer
be
thinks
,
Iames
being
an
Apostle
could
not
be
a
bishop
of
Ierusalen
:
yet
is
he
so
full
for
the
authoritie
of
our
Bishops
,
that
I
doe
wonder
men
are
not
ashamed
to
vse
his
name
and
his
workes
for
defence
of
such
fancies
.
I
haue
often
read
that
booke
against
M.
Heart
,
whereof
you
make
mention
,
and
no
man
can
be
more
flat
against
the
deuise
of
the
equalitie
of
Pastors
then
hee
is
,
If
ye
beleeue
not
me
,
yet
beleeue
himselfe
,
where
hee
writes
thus
:
In
the
Church
of
Ephesus
,
though
it
had
sundry
pastors
,
or
Elders
to
guide
it
,
yet
among
those
was
one
chiefe
,
whome
our
Sauiour
calleth
the
Angel
of
that
Church
.
And
this
is
he
whom
afterwards
in
the
Primitiue
church
,
the
Fathers
called
Bishop
.
Thus
you
see
these
learned
men
(
if
euer
they
fauoured
it
)
haue
taken
their
leaue
of
your
deuise
:
M.
Doctor
Fulke
is
likewise
abused
by
you
where
you
oft
make
him
a
paterne
of
your
conceit
if
not
(
as
I
say
)
against
your
own
conscience
,
Fulke
in
his
confutation
of
the
Annotations
on
the
Remish
Testament
.
yet
against
his
expresse
words
and
meaning
.
And
let
the
world
iudge
if
I
said
not
right
before
.
That
when
soeuer
any
of
our
new
Writers
speake
against
Bishops
in
generall
,
they
are
to
be
vnderstood
to
meane
the
Pope
,
and
such
bishops
as
maintaine
his
false
Religion
and
vsurpation
,
which
I
would
to
God
,
poore
people
in
these
dayes
could
warily
consider
.
For
it
should
keepe
them
from
this
fancie
of
equalitie
,
which
now
by
the
abuse
of
these
mens
workes
they
gape
after
.
But
to
his
words
:
Amongst
the
Clergie
(
saith
he
)
for
order
and
seemely
gouernment
,
there
was
alway
one
principall
&c.
which
roome
Titus
exercised
in
Creta
,
and
Timothie
in
Ephesus
&
.
Truly
M.
Bern-here
,
the
alledging
of
these
men
is
so
grosse
an
ouersight
,
that
it
makes
me
mistrust
many
other
of
your
allegations
,
Iewell
.
and
authors
which
I
haue
not
means
to
peruse
.
For
this
may
be
as
a
1000.
witnesses
against
you
,
Namely
,
Hooper
E.
Raynolds
.
that
one
of
them
liued
and
dyed
a
Bishop
,
and
one
of
them
a
most
godly
Martyr
,
the
other
(
also
is
yet
aliue
)
haue
their
published
workes
,
to
confute
that
which
you
and
others
would
father
vpon
them
.
Now
what
an
horrible
presumption
is
it
,
to
thinke
that
such
excellent
learned
men
,
who
take
such
paines
in
writing
and
preaching
for
the
spreading
and
defence
of
the
Gospell
,
and
one
of
them
gaue
his
life
for
it
in
the
flaming
fire
,
should
liue
all
their
liues
in
knowne
sin
,
and
die
without
repentance
,
namely
in
an
Antichristian
calling
,
which
they
might
easily
haue
bin
ridde
of
if
they
(
as
you
say
)
had
so
esteemed
it
.
And
whereas
you
say
in
the
booke
,
page
.
4.
that
I
am
one
of
my
newe
Maisters
haue
disgraciously
stinged
Maister
Calvine
.
I
answere
that
you
haue
abused
vs
both
.
For
where
as
you
charge
these
bookes
.
The
Suruay
of
Discipline
,
and
the
perpetuall
gouernment
by
mee
alledged
to
be
bitter
and
sharpe
,
and
take
it
in
ill
part
,
that
M.
Caluins
iudgement
in
this
matter
is
refused
,
which
you
say
greeueth
you
.
This
you
must
take
for
answere
,
namely
that
it
greeueth
others
as
much
to
see
you
and
others
of
your
minde
reiect
the
whole
Church
of
God
for
1500.
yeeres
,
and
all
the
godly
Fathers
thereof
with
much
more
sharpnesse
and
bitternes
.
Bring
the
consent
of
the
whole
Church
against
you
,
and
it
is
wickedly
termed
the
moouing
&
summoning
of
Hell
,
by
M.
Cartwright
.
Booke
,
2.
page
513.
Bring
the
Fathers
which
liued
100.
yeers
after
Christ
,
and
the
alledging
of
their
workes
is
by
him
termed
a
raking
in
the
ditches
,
lib
.
1.
page
114.
And
as
for
the
learned
men
now
liuing
,
your
companions
in
this
busines
haue
sought
their
vtter
disgrace
,
by
publishing
them
in
print
to
the
worlde
,
to
bee
a
conuocation
house
of
deuils
,
like
incarnate
diuels
,
Bishops
of
the
diuels
.
Bishops
(
saith
one
of
you
)
are
cogging
and
coosening
knawes
.
They
will
lie
like
dogs
.
Bishops
(
saith
another
Reformer
)
are
proude
,
popish
,
presumtious
,
palterie
,
pestilent
,
pernitious
Prelates
:
shamelesse
and
wainscot
faced
Bishops
like
beasts
.
The
worst
Puritane
(
saith
an
other
)
is
an
honester
man
,
then
the
best
Lord
Bishop
in
Christendome
,
If
you
know
not
where
those
blasphemous
reproches
,
and
hellish
taunting
tearmes
are
written
,
I
can
show
you
with
a
wet
finger
.
And
now
I
pray
you
,
compare
these
your
reformed
Bookes
defending
your
holy
cause
,
with
the
bookes
by
me
cited
,
and
tell
mee
in
your
conscience
,
which
of
them
are
most
sharpe
&
bitter
.
As
for
that
reuerend
learned
man
M.
Caluin
.
I
for
my
part
neuer
sought
his
disgrace
in
any
thing
(
God
is
record
)
except
the
refusing
his
iudgement
(
where
he
refuseth
the
iudgement
and
practise
of
the
Primitiue
Church
,
as
Master
Fox
and
himselfe
also
prooueth
)
be
a
disgrace
vnto
him
,
and
then
both
hee
and
you
must
pardon
me
and
others
,
But
you
in
thus
writing
(
I
see
well
)
seeke
my
disgrace
,
as
likewise
in
your
letters
directed
to
mee
,
but
sent
open
to
those
that
were
my
best
friends
,
stuffed
full
of
false
surmises
,
wherein
although
you
cannot
(
I
praise
God
)
discredite
me
,
yet
you
haue
done
me
more
hurt
in
withdrawing
the
affections
of
my
friends
from
me
this
hard
time
,
then
I
feare
you
wil
doe
me
good
in
hast
.
But
let
that
passe
,
if
you
account
the
refusing
of
Maister
Caluines
iudgement
when
hee
dissents
from
the
whole
Church
of
Christ
,
as
in
some
of
his
workes
at
some
time
he
hath
done
,
and
the
modest
refelling
of
his
argumentes
by
men
,
as
well
learned
as
himselfe
,
both
of
our
owne
nation
&
strangers
,
as
Melancthton
,
Camerarius
,
Bucer
,
Erasmus
,
George
prince
Anhat
,
Zanchius
,
and
many
others
,
together
with
the
confessions
&
practise
of
many
reformed
Churches
24.
whereof
I
haue
set
downe
in
my
last
Letters
to
you
,
besides
35.
free
Citites
as
the
Suruay
sheweth
,
page
362.
If
you
acount
,
I
say
,
this
modest
refussng
or
refelling
of
his
errors
to
bee
a
disgracefull
stinging
of
him
,
I
pray
you
what
would
you
haue
men
to
thinke
of
him
that
writes
thus
vnaduisedly
,
vnchristianly
and
bitterly
.
That
all
they
(
without
exception
)
that
resist
his
gouerment
by
vnpreaching
elders
haue
no
more
religion
then
Doggs
,
and
are
worse
then
Turks
or
Iewes
:
yea
or
brute
beasts
yea
that
they
haue
no
sure
religion
:
and
lastly
that
those
churches
kingdomes
and
people
are
filthy
villaines
which
resist
it
.
For
my
part
I
vtterly
dislike
this
vnciuill
and
more
then
outragious
deprauation
of
any
professing
Christianity
,
&
do
verily
thinke
that
our
most
gratious
Qeene
and
so
many
religious
Princes
,
learned
Bishops
and
Pastors
,
vniuersities
and
godly
reformed
Churches
,
as
alwayes
haue
and
at
this
time
doe
refuse
that
Eldership
,
as
a
meere
deuise
of
mans
braine
,
to
be
better
esteemed
of
then
Dogs
,
Turkes
,
&c.
As
those
churches
following
,
the
Church
of
England
,
D●●marke
,
Norway
,
Sweuia
,
Germanie
,
for
the
most
pa●●
,
〈◇〉
the
Churches
within
the
Dutchie
of
Saxonie
,
of
Brunsw●●●
&
Luneburgh
.
Also
the
Dutchie
of
Megalaburgh
,
of
Wit●●burgh
,
all
the
Churches
within
the
Countries
of
the
Marquesse
of
Brandeburgh
,
and
the
Marquesse
of
Ba●de
,
all
the
Churches
,
within
the
gouernment
of
the
Erldome
of
He●●●●burgh
,
the
Erldome
of
Swartzenbergh
,
the
Erldome
of
●●●ningh
,
the
Erldome
of
Hannawe
,
the
Erldome
of
Orting●
,
the
Erldom
of
Mansfield
,
the
Erldom
of
Stalbergh
,
the
Erldom
of
Gliche
,
&c.
as
in
the
twentieth
chapter
of
the
Suruay
of
Discipline
,
page
362.
together
withall
the
Martyrs
of
the
Primitiue
Churches
,
and
our
late
Martyrs
,
which
●●ed
in
that
holy
calling
,
which
you
count
antichristian
and
d●uilish
as
is
shewed
.
As
Archbishop
Cranmer
,
Bishop
Ridley
,
Bishop
Hooper
,
Bishop
Farrar
,
Latemer
,
Philpo●
with
many
others
.
I
say
once
againe
,
that
I
suppose
how
that
all
these
princes
Churches
and
Martyrs
,
both
haue
and
d●
deserue
to
be
better
esteemed
then
Doggs
,
Turkes
,
Iewes
,
brute
beasts
,
or
filthy
villaines
.
And
if
you
would
not
againe
call
it
a
disgracefull
stinging
of
him
,
I
should
ve●●●●
thinke
that
Maister
Caluin
,
might
haue
beene
better
exercised
then
when
he
studied
,
that
part
of
his
Sermon
and
like
wi●●
when
he
preached
it
,
seeking
to
disgrace
as
godly
as
euer
w●●
in
Geneua
.
And
so
might
he
that
did
translate
that
opprobrious
part
of
it
into
English
,
whosoeuer
hee
was
,
and
I
hope
〈◇〉
good
subiects
are
of
my
minde
.
Thus
you
see
that
in
striking
at
me
,
and
at
those
reuerend
and
learned
fathers
of
our
church●
by
whome
I
am
taught
(
as
you
say
)
you
haue
missed
vs
all
,
and
wounded
some
of
the
best
friends
both
at
home
and
abroad
to
the
very
heart
.
And
you
may
see
that
the
measure
which
you
meat
falsely
to
others
,
is
iustly
returned
to
you
,
and
your
friends
againe
,
that
the
Scriptures
might
be
fulfilled
,
Luke
6.38
.
Concerning
the
ciuill
authority
of
our
Bishops
at
which
you
gird
so
often
both
in
your
booke
&
Letters
.
I
haue
answered
it
in
my
last
Letters
&
cannot
by
the
reading
of
your
books
conceaue
how
the
worde
of
God
,
should
become
so
partiall
as
to
allow
Maister
Caluine
and
Beza
,
to
bee
of
the
councell
of
s●ate
in
Geneva
,
and
to
denie
it
to
the
Arch-bishop
of
Canterbury
,
or
other
Ministers
in
England
.
For
meaner
men
,
then
Caluine
and
Beza
are
Magistrates
at
Geneua
,
namely
,
all
their
lay
Elders
,
and
M.
Beza
is
,
and
Caluine
was
,
whiles
●e
liued
of
the
Councell
of
State
.
By
vertue
whereof
it
was
as
I
haue
said
in
my
last
letter
that
he
did
call
before
him
certaine
persons
,
for
dancing
in
one
Balthasar
his
house
in
Geneua
.
Among
whom
was
one
Henrich
a
Minister
,
who
labored
to
defend
that
honest
pastime
,
if
any
were
.
But
they
all
denying
it
M.
Caluine
,
by
vertue
of
his
ciuill
office
,
forced
them
to
take
an
othe
.
This
the
Minister
refused
to
doe
,
holding
it
vnlawfull
and
alledged
the
place
which
M.
Cart-wright
did
vnto
the
Commissioners
in
London
:
Against
an
Elder
receaue
none
accusation
,
but
vnder
two
or
three
witnesses
,
which
M.
Caluine
affirmeth
to
be
a
pleasant
lest
,
and
forcing
them
by
oth
to
confesse
,
committed
them
all
to
prison
,
one
except
being
one
of
the
foure
Syndicles
or
chiefe
Magistrates
of
the
citie
,
and
depriued
Henrich
the
Minister
.
Now
why
a
Bishop
may
not
as
lawfully
bee
a
counseller
in
England
,
and
take
othes
in
lawfull
causes
,
and
commit
to
prison
if
the
Prince
will
,
as
M.
Caluine
,
or
Beza
in
Geneua
,
(
as
I
said
)
I
see
not
any
reason
.
But
your
Letter
put
mee
in
minde
,
of
the
26.
chapter
of
the
suruay
of
your
Discipline
,
which
prooueth
that
what
you
condemne
in
others
you
doe
approoue
and
allow
in
your selues
.
Where
I
said
,
that
M.
Caluine
thought
so
honorably
of
the
law
of
Geneua
,
that
he
told
certaine
offenders
in
that
Citie
that
except
they
would
be
subiect
to
the
lawes
of
the
Citie
,
they
must
build
thē
a
citie
by
themselues
,
&
dwel
in
it
,
you
answer
,
what
is
that
to
our
laws
,
seeing
their
laws
are
all
approued
by
Gods
word
:
he
did
wel
say
you
,
as
though
their
laws
were
al
spirituall
,
&
ours
carnal
.
Oh
blessed
conceit
of
holy
Geneua
.
I
feare
it
wil
shortly
prooue
an
other
idol
Rome
&
people
fall
to
worship
it
as
a
church
that
cannot
er
,
wel
I
see
you
are
a
partial
iudge
,
and
therefore
shall
not
bee
admitted
by
my
consent
to
censure
lawes
of
your
prince
and
count●ey
.
you
must
beare
with
mee
,
for
indeed
your
snuffing
at
the
●●●ning
of
her
Maiesties
Lawes
liketh
mee
not
I
promise
y
〈◇〉
In
your
last
letter
,
you
will
me
not
to
trouble
you
any
〈◇〉
with
my
new
Maisters
bookes
,
neither
to
tell
you
of
Fat●●●
which
M.
Fox
mentioneth
,
councels
,
nor
antiquities
,
bec●●●
I
do
not
vnderstand
their
owne
workes
and
language
.
You
might
as
well
haue
forbidden
me
,
&
other
men
the
Scriptu●●●
for
I
can
vnderstand
no
Hebrew
nor
greeke
.
Your
slender
〈◇〉
count
of
the
learned
Fathers
of
the
Primitiue
Church
,
ma●●
me
wonder
,
seeing
all
the
godly
in
the
world
hath
them
in
high
reuerence
,
saue
men
of
your
humor
.
Indeed
,
when
I
read
that
part
of
your
letter
,
it
put
me
in
minde
of
a
friend
of
your
co●ceit
,
namely
,
M.
Iacob
,
who
hath
(
to
vse
your
owne
term●●
)
patched
together
a
certaine
Pamphlet
against
that
learned
father
Bishop
Bilson
his
sermons
of
Christs
sufferings
.
Where
the
Bishop
bringing
the
testimonies
of
al
the
fathers
,
for
1500.
yeres
hee
very
presumptuously
opposeth
his
owne
iudgement
against
them
all
in
that
matter
,
as
you
doe
in
this
,
and
re●e●t
them
in
this
malapert
manner
.
If
(
saith
hee
)
you
see
the
F●thers
variable
or
against
vs
,
thinke
it
not
strange
,
for
you
must
not
take
them
as
iudges
of
the
Scriptures
sense
.
Conceit
is
much
,
belike
to
iudge
of
Scriptures
sense
,
is
proper
to
him
and
his
friend
.
But
if
one
of
another
humor
should
〈◇〉
slightly
reiect
a
few
late
writers
,
fauouring
your
discipline
in
learning
and
godlinesse
farre
short
of
those
reiected
Fathers
,
hee
would
be
thought
a
presumptuous
hinde
,
and
an
arrogant
companion
,
I
perswade
my selfe
.
And
sure
if
he
or
any
other
shall
suffer
themselues
to
bee
so
farre
seduced
by
Sathan
,
as
to
imagine
they
haue
another
spirit
to
reueale
newe
truthes
,
which
the
Fathers
of
the
Primitiue
knew
not
,
I
feare
it
w●ll
prooue
the
spirit
of
delusion
,
which
the
Apostle
speaks
of
,
which
shall
deceiue
such
as
will
not
rest
in
the
iudgement
of
Go●
Church
nor
in
the
loue
of
the
truth
.
2.
Thess.
2.10.11
.
The
godly
learned
in
all
ages
since
as
our
Martyr-booke
doth
witnesse
,
haue
had
those
Fathers
and
Churches
in
singular
reuerence
,
and
namely
our
late
Martyrs
,
(
as
our
Martyr
booke
doth
witnesse
.
)
Heare
I
pray
you
,
what
a
graue
learned
man
,
and
in
Queene
Maries
day●●
a
blessed
Martyr
thinke●●f
these
Churches
and
Fathers
,
which
you
and
Maister
Iacob
set
so
light
by
booke
of
Martyrs
page
.
1670.
And
truly
for
my
part
I
doe
thinke
,
that
hee
was
as
learned
,
godly
,
and
as
zealous
for
Gods
glorie
and
true
religion
as
any
disciplinarian
in
Christendome
,
none
excepted
.
Yet
he
was
so
farre
of
from
reiecting
the
first
Churches
of
God
and
the
Fathers
,
which
taught
them
,
that
he
in
matters
of
God
restes
in
their
iudgements
.
Heare
what
hee
hath
written
to
one
,
ready
to
bee
se●uced
by
Sathan
.
All
the
church
here
militant
ought
to
consent
to
the
Primitiue
Church
.
And
againe
,
They
haue
vnspeakable
ioy
,
which
bee
at
vnitie
with
the
Primitiue
church
.
And
againe
,
I
construe
it
to
bee
the
will
of
God
,
to
mooue
you
with
many
others
to
conforme
your selues
in
all
your
opinions
,
touching
faith
to
the
Primitiue
Church
,
which
is
the
piller
and
stablishment
of
truth
.
And
againe
,
The
primitiue
church
had
a
greater
fulnesse
of
truth
,
then
we
haue
now
.
The
first
fruites
of
the
holy
Ghost
did
declare
the
true
interpretation
of
the
Scriptures
,
vnto
them
according
to
all
veritie
.
This
is
true
humiliation
,
and
if
I
were
in
M.
Iacobs
skinne
,
I
should
blush
to
read
it
.
And
againe
(
saith
M.
Philpot
)
And
since
all
truth
was
taught
to
the
Primitiue
church
,
which
is
our
Mother
,
let
all
the
obedient
children
of
God
,
submit
themselues
to
the
iudgement
of
the
church
,
for
the
better
vnderstanding
of
the
Articles
of
the
Faith
,
and
of
the
doubtfull
Sentences
of
the
Scripture
.
Let
vs
not
goe
about
,
to
shew
in
vs
(
by
following
any
mans
priuate
interpretation
vpon
the
worde
)
another
spirit
than
they
of
the
Primitiue
Church
had
,
lest
wee
deceaue
our selues
.
For
there
is
but
one
faith
and
one
spirit
,
which
is
not
contrary
to
himselfe
,
neither
otherwise
now
teacheth
vs
then
hee
did
them
.
Therfore
let
vs
beleeue
as
they
haue
taught
vs
from
the
scriptures
.
Therefore
God
commanded
vs
in
Iob
,
to
aske
of
the
Elder
generation
,
and
to
seeke
diligently
the
memorie
of
the
Fathers
.
(
For
we
are
but
Yesterdaies
children
,
and
are
ignorant
)
and
they
shall
teach
thee
,
and
vtter
the
words
from
their
hearts
.
The
Lord
(
saith
hee
)
grant
you
to
direct
your
steps
,
after
her
in
all
things
and
to
abhorre
contention
with
he●
.
〈◇〉
againe
,
Be
conformable
to
the
Primitiue
church
,
and
〈◇〉
doubtlesse
you
cannot
erre
in
matters
of
faith
.
And
thus
w●●●h
good
M.
Philpot
writes
in
the
behalfe
of
that
Church
,
〈◇〉
those
learned
fathers
,
which
now
are
so
slightly
set
by
.
If
yo●
shall
thinke
of
this
holy
Martyrs
iudgement
,
as
M.
Iacob
doth
of
all
the
fathers
.
I
shall
thinke
of
you
as
I
doe
of
h●●
,
namely
,
that
you
are
not
guided
by
that
holy
and
humble
●●irit
,
which
the
Primitiue
Church
,
and
godly
M.
Philpot
w●●
guided
by
.
For
they
thought
better
of
euery
godly
,
learn●●
man
,
then
of
themselues
as
their
workes
declare
.
And
now
to
conclude
,
seeing
you
will
not
bee
troubled
,
with
the
books
,
nor
the
Fathers
iudgements
,
I
pray
you
trouble
mee
no
more
with
your
newe
expositions
of
the
Epistles
of
Paul
to
Timothie
and
Titus
.
For
indeed
I
hold
it
safer
(
according
to
holy
Philpots
iudgement
)
to
follow
the
iudgement
of
the
Primitiue
Church
,
and
those
Councels
and
Fathers
,
with
which
you
will
not
be
troubled
,
then
yours
according
to
Iobs
counsall
8
,
chap.
8.
verse
.
And
once
againe
,
I
pray
yo●
write
me
no
more
of
these
matters
:
but
if
you
meane
to
pur●●●
them
,
make
choise
of
some
Scholler
which
may
haue
mo●e
lust
and
leasure
,
and
better
abilitie
to
defend
the
truth
to
yo●
good
,
which
God
grant
.
Neither
would
I
haue
written
thus
much
,
but
beeing
by
you
so
often
vrged
,
both
in
your
Booke
and
three
last
letters
.
You
should
not
thinke
,
but
I
had
somewhat
to
say
,
which
may
in
some
measure
,
if
truth
may
take
place
,
satisfie
you
.
Where
you
say
,
finde
a
Bishop
in
all
those
60.
kingdomes
,
Cities
,
and
prouinces
,
by
me
named
in
my
last
to
you
,
and
you
wil
leaue
your
pleading
I
wish
you
would
,
for
they
haue
generall
Superintendents
,
&
superintendents
within
their
Office
,
differ
no
more
from
Archbishops
,
Bishops
,
then
you
doe
from
him
that
wrote
me
this
Letter
,
that
is
your
owne
selfe
.
Thus
sir
,
wishing
you
all
good
in
the
Lord
,
and
especially
,
that
both
your selfe
and
others
by
your
perswasion
,
may
thinke
better
of
the
godly
Church
gouernment
,
by
our
Prince
established
,
according
to
the
word
of
God
,
and
practise
of
the
Primitiue
Churches
,
as
is
before
prooued
,
which
grace
God
g●●e
you
all
that
thinke
amisse
of
it
Amen
.
Your
friend
P.
F.