An
answer
vnto
the
advertisement
of
Iean
Delescluse
concerning
Mr.
Brightman
vpon
the
Apocalyps
.
1.
WHereas
in
his
title
he
pretendes
to
advertise
the
godly
reader
,
whom
afterward
in
his
Epistle
he
calles
Gentle
reader
and
Christian
reader
,
marke
how
this
man
doth
mocke
his
reader
;
for
by
his
profession
of
Brownisme
he
holdes
all
the
membres
of
the
church
of
England
to
be
no
visible
Christians
,
to
be
without
true
faith
&
without
godlines
,
even
eve-ry
one
as
they
are
publique
professours
of
the
gospel
in
that
church
&
yet
here
in
this
flattering
title
of
his
English
booke
he
dissembles
notably
as
though
he
would
honour
&
record
their
godlines
;
And
thus
in
the
very
forehead
of
his
booke
,
his
hypocrisy
beginnes
to
shew
it self
.
2.
WHereas
in
his
title
he
takes
on
him
to
advertise
every
godly
reader
of
Mr.
Tho.
Brightman
his
booke
,
how
absurd
&
senselesse
is
it
?
There
be
many
godly
readers
of
Mr.
Brightmans
booke
which
vnderstand
no
English
at
al
,
seing
it
is
extant
in
Latine
,
&
yet
he
writes
in
English
to
advertise
every
one
of
them
.
3.
IN
the
same
place
he
alledgeth
against
the
church
of
England
that
saying
of
the
Prophet
1.
Kim
18.
21.
How
long
halt
ye
betweene
two
opinions
?
If
the
lord
be
God
follow
him
,
but
if
Baal
be
he
then
go
after
him
.
This
is
vniustly
applied
against
them
who
are
assured
of
their
lawfull
communion
with
that
church
;
but
this
sentence
or
the
like
may
much
more
fitly
be
alledged
against
the
divided
&
distracted
Brownistes
,
who
halt
betweene
two
opinions
,
&
betweene
two
communions
,
some
halting
after
the
Franciscane
order
,
sone
limping
after
the
Ainsworthian
&
popular
order
,
some
hanging
in
doubt
betwixt
both
opinions
,
so
that
they
dare
not
ioyne
to
either
of
them
,
but
walk
alone
.
4.
THe
first
cause
which
mooved
him
to
put
forth
this
writing
in
defence
of
the
separation
,
he
sets
downe
in
these
wordes
:
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Epist.
to
Read
.
pag.
3.
First
the
glory
of
my
God
etc.
what
meanes
he
by
this
speech
of
his
God
,
in
saying
,
the
glory
of
my
God
?
Hath
he
and
his
flock
a
speciall
God
of
his
owne
more
then
other
churches
of
Christe
?
It
is
true
indeed
that
David
&
other
faithful
servants
of
God
do
often
with
the
voyce
of
faith
vse
to
speak
of
God
in
this
manner
,
my
king
and
my
God
as
Ps.
84.
3.
but
yet
if
we
looke
a
litle
further
into
the
profession
of
the
Brownistes
we
may
easily
imagine
some
other
cause
of
their
speaking
on
this
manner
:
for
whereas
R.
R.
in
his
prophecying
among
the
prophets
of
Mr.
Anisworthes
company
testifyed
against
their
separation
&
iustifyed
the
church
of
England
to
be
a
true
church
,
being
for
this
vniustly
excommunicate
of
that
company
it
was
as
vniustly
defended
by
Mr.
Ainsworth
,
who
layd
this
groud
of
his
excommunication
from
Deu.
13.
1.
2.
&c.
that
he
had
sought
to
turne
them
away
from
the
Lord
their
God
&
had
perswaded
them
to
go
after
other
Gods
and
to
serve
than
,
&
all
this
onely
for
perswading
that
it
was
lawfull
to
heare
a
sermon
in
the
church
of
Engl.
to
pray
with
them
&c:
In
this
proceeding
they
declare
that
they
hold
the
church
of
Engl.
to
be
withovt
the
true
God
in
that
they
condemne
those
that
ioyne
with
the
same
to
turne
away
from
the
Lord
their
God
&
to
go
after
other
God●
and
therfore
no
marvel
if
according
to
this
opinion
they
speak
of
their
special
God
,
intending
an
other
God
whom
we
know
not
.
This
may
yet
further
appeare
in
the
speech
of
Delecluse
who
being
blamed
for
his
schisme
from
the
french
church
hath
here
vpon
condemned
that
reformed
church
as
having
Christe
to
be
neither
their
King
,
priest
nor
Prophet
:
And
if
they
be
without
Christe
then
are
they
without
true
God
,
Ioh.
2.
Epist.
vers.
9.
and
Ioh.
17.
3.
According
to
these
speeches
it
is
not
strange
nor
inconsequent
that
he
should
meane
his
speciall
God
in
the
forenamed
phrase
.
Iemar
the
monstro●s
Arrian
pretending
that
we
erre
about
the
nature
of
Christe
doth
blasphemously
affirme
that
our
God
is
no
better
then
the
planke
vnder
his
foote
,
Delescluse
the
inordinate
Brownist
pretending
that
Christe
is
not
our
king
doth
hereby
sacrilegiously
both
deprive
Christe
,
of
his
people
&
his
people
of
their
God
,
their
saviour
&
their
mediatour
:
And
thus
while
he
pretendes
the
glory
of
his
God
,
he
treades
vnder
his
feete
the
glory
of
that
everlasting
God
,
who
is
the
God
&
king
of
all
the
reformed
churches
round
about
.
5.
AGaine
in
his
declaration
of
this
first
moving
cause
that
made
him
to
publish
this
treati●e
in
defence
of
Brownisme
,
he
alledgeth
divers
scriptures
which
teach
that
the
people
of
God
ought
to
be
holy
as
the
Lord
is
holy
,
as
namely
,
Levit.
19.
2.
1.
Pet.
1.
5.
16.
But
what
meanes
he
by
this
?
Can
not
the
people
of
God
be
holy
&
sanctifyed
vnlesse
they
separate
from
the
churches
as
the
Brownistes
doe
?
or
can
they
not
give
glory
vnto
God
without
their
separation
?
we
see
the
contrary
throughout
the
scriptures
;
the
,
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Ps.
43.
1.
2
3.
4.
Esa.
1.
10.
Ma●
.
26.
●7
Act.
3.
1.
holy
Prophets
,
the
holy
Apostles
,
and
Iesus
Christe
that
holy
one
of
God
did
keepe
a
holy
communion
among
open
obstinate
sinners
and
glorified
God
thereby
and
this
also
in
a
church
that
was
far
more
corrupt
than
that
reformed
church
from
which
this
Delescluse
hath
schismed
and
runne
away
▪
6.
VNto
his
other
allegation
,
that
all
those
that
call
vpon
the
name
of
Christe
should
depart
from
iniquitye
,
2.
Tim.
2.
19.
It
may
also
be
answered
as
the
former
that
the
most
holy
servants
of
God
,
most
zealous
of
his
glory
have
kept
communion
which
open
sinners
as
offensiue
as
〈…〉
the
church
of
England
,
&
yet
departed
from
iniquity
:
It
is
a
great
〈◊〉
in
schismatiques
that
cannot
distinguish
betwixt
departing
from
iniquity
and
departing
from
a
church
where
iniquity
is
tolerated
.
Christe
〈…〉
iniquity
of
the
Pharisees
and
Sadducees
and
and
yet
departed
〈…〉
fellowship
of
that
church
,
where
in
they
remayned
.
7.
THe
second
reason
which
he
alledges
for
his
writing
of
this
treatise
is
the
fervent
desire
which
(
he
sayth
)
he
hath
of
the
salvation
of
mens
soules
and
the
gayning
of
them
vnto
God
,
If
this
be
so
(
as
he
boasteth
)
we
do
prayse
and
commend
him
for
it
,
but
yet
if
he
had
bene
as
sober
and
modest
as
he
is
fervent
,
he
would
not
have
bene
so
forward
to
prayse
his
owne
fervency
,
in
that
we
commend
him
not
,
nor
yet
in
this
,
that
he
seemes
to
seeke
the
salvation
of
mens
soules
by
leading
them
into
his
schisme
or
separation
.
8.
IN
the
declaration
of
this
second
reason
he
telles
vs
that
the
meanes
of
saying
soules
is
to
shew
vnto
the
their
erring
from
the
truth
and
from
going
astray
out
of
the
way
,
Iam.
5.
19.
20.
:
But
how
vnfit
a
man
is
Iean
delescluse
for
such
a
purpose
?
Do
not
all
the
Brownistes
generally
know
and
consider
how
prone
this
man
is
to
runne
into
errour
and
to
go
astray
out
of
the
way
before
many
others
?
Among
all
their
Prophets
is
there
any
which
in
the
exercise
of
prophecy
have
so
often
bene
corrected
for
errour
as
this
man
?
His
manner
is
indeed
to
be
fervent
and
hote
,
but
in
his
heate
so
rash
and
inconsiderate
that
often
he
vtters
erroneous
thinges
and
often
by
Mr.
Iohnson
and
Daniel
studly
hath
he
bene
reproved
and
convicted
of
the
same
.
He
that
hath
so
often
receyved
open
shame
and
rebuke
for
his
errour
is
not
so
meete
a
man
to
become
the
censurer
of
so
learned
and
iudicious
a
writer
as
Mr.
Brightman
is
generally
acknowledged
to
be
.
9.
THe
third
reason
which
he
alledgeth
for
the
publishing
of
this
treatise
,
is
in
respect
of
him self
,
having
had
a
hand
both
in
the
translating
and
printing
of
Mr.
Britghtman
his
booke
etc.
But
of
this
he
may
speake
with
shame
enough
in
respect
of
his
vnfaithfull
dealing
herein
:
for
being
appoynted
by
his
maisters
that
set
him
on
worke
to
print
this
booke
&
that
without
any
leave
to
comment
vpon
it
or
to
adde
his
censures
,
what
doth
this
coosening
companion
but
goes
&
causeth
his
gloses
to
be
printed
in
the
margent
of
this
booke
?
He
there
lets
downe
in
opposition
vnto
Mr.
Brightman
,
his
contradictions
of
him
,
his
interrogations
,
his
exclamations
against
him
O
England
etc.
O
Brightman
etc.
Yea
his
citations
of
him
vnto
indgement
,
let
God
and
his
angelles
and
all
the
world
indge
etc.
And
thus
without
the
consent
or
license
of
those
that
employed
him
in
their
busines
,
he
defaces
&
disgraceth
the
work
committed
vnto
him
,
offendeth
his
maisters
,
wronges
the
reader
,
&
iniurieth
the
authour
of
the
books
who
now
sleepeth
in
peace
with
the
Lord
:
But
when
this
his
deceit
was
found
out
,
those
that
were
at
cost
&
charges
for
the
printing
of
this
booke
did
then
call
him
to
account
for
this
his
bad
daaling
&
in
fine
compelled
him
at
his
owne
charges
to
take
the
paines
to
alter
and
set
over
againe
those
sheetes
of
the
booke
which
he
had
corrupted
&
defaced
with
his
marginall
gloses
&
then
to
leave
out
those
gloses
which
he
had
before
so
boldly
&
deceitfully
inserted
in
that
worke
:
for
the
evidence
&
truth
of
this
matter
we
have
both
the
testimony
of
those
that
set
him
on
worke
,
as
also
his
owne
handy-work
to
reprove
him
,
viz.
the
misprinted
sheetes
,
the
tokens
of
his
deceit
,
which
we
keep
by
vs
for
a
monument
of
his
falshood
.
The
truth
is
that
Iean
Delescluse
did
fret
&
chafe
when
this
rebuke
was
layd
vpon
him
,
but
howsoever
part
of
his
punishment
was
remitted
vnto
him
,
yet
was
there
no
remedy
,
divers
sheetes
must
needes
be
printed
againe
&
he
must
endure
the
paine
&
labour
for
the
setting
of
the
same
:
And
thus
we
may
see
the
saying
of
the
wise
man
to
be
verifyed
in
him
,
The
deceitfull
man
costeth
not
that
which
he
tooke
in
hunting
,
Prov.
12.
27.
The
wages
which
he
got
by
setting
those
sheets
deceitfully
at
first
was
not
so
much
,
but
the
labour
the
losse
&
the
shame
withall
which
he
had
at
the
reprinting
thereof
may
well
be
thought
to
be
much
more
.
10.
IN
the
declaration
of
this
his
third
reason
,
he
telles
vs
of
his
full
perswasion
that
there
be
errours
&
abberrations
in
Mr.
Br.
his
book
&
therfore
addeth
further
;
If
I
had
held
my
peace
and
sayd
nothing
I
could
not
have
cleared
my self
from
partaking
with
other
mens
synnes
;
and
so
should
have
done
contrary
to
that
holy
commandement
of
the
apostle
to
Timothy
,
1.
Tim.
5.
22.
According
to
this
profession
of
conscience
,
if
it
be
vnfeigned
in
him
,
it
may
be
further
demanded
of
him
.
1.
Why
did
he
not
also
put
forth
some
short
writing
against
the
latine
edition
of
Mr.
Br.
his
booke
,
seing
he
the
same
Iean
Delescluse
had
also
a
hand
in
the
printing
of
it
heretofore
?
That
book
in
latine
hath
bene
out
now
these
divers
yeares
;
&
never
till
this
time
hath
he
cleared
himself
by
any
writing
against
it
,
so
long
therfore
he
may
seeme
to
have
partaken
with
an
other
mans
sinne
.
2.
Whereas
Mr.
Th.
hath
hath
had
a
hand
in
the
printing
of
Mr.
Robinsons
booke
against
Mr.
Bernard
,
&
there
being
in
it
divers
errours
&
aberrations
from
the
truth
of
the
living
God
,
&
this
not
onely
in
the
iudgement
of
Mr.
Iohnson
who
hath
openly
protested
against
the
manifold
errours
therein
,
but
also
in
the
iudgement
of
Mr.
Ainsworth
himself
&
his
company
,
how
comes
it
now
to
passe
that
Mr.
Th.
hath
not
the
like
care
&
conscience
to
put
forah
some
short
writing
against
that
booke
as
wel
as
Delescluse
against
Mr.
Br.
his
booke
?
why
doth
not
I.
Delescluse
call
vpon
his
fellow
in
like
manner
?
why
doth
he
suffer
Mr.
Th.
to
partake
with
Mr.
Robinsons
errours
by
printing
his
booke
?
3.
Whereas
this
Iean
Delescluse
was
heretofore
a
cardmaker
,
seing
he
hath
had
a
hand
in
making
those
cardes
that
are
the
bookes
of
gamesters
&
idle
persons
seing
many
persons
might
be
offended
&
scandalized
by
the
vse
of
those
play-bookes
,
why
hath
he
not
had
the
conscience
to
put
forth
some
short
writing
against
those
bookes
of
vanity
?
why
is
he
not
afraid
of
partaking
with
the
sinnes
of
those
gamesters
whose
handes
have
handled
the
cardes
that
were
the
worke
of
his
handes
?
Why
did
he
never
yet
cleare
himself
of
this
evill
?
A
good
conscience
is
without
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Ps.
119.
●
128.
1.
Tim.
5.
●1.
partiality
&
seekes
to
prevent
one
offence
as
wel
as
an
other
.
What
can
he
answer
to
these
thinges
?
when
he
hath
answered
these
thinges
,
we
have
sundry
more
such
like
to
demand
of
him
.
11.
BEsides
his
partiality
above
noted
,
marke
his
folly
also
in
this
dealing
,
for
if
it
were
no
sin
to
have
a
hand
in
the
printing
of
Mr.
Brightmans
booke
,
then
what
neede
he
to
seek
the
clearing
of
himself
by
writing
against
the
booke
:
if
it
were
a
sin
to
have
a
hand
in
the
printing
thereof
,
them
how
foolish
is
he
to
think
he
could
by
an
after
testification
cleare
himself
from
that
sinne
which
he
did
first
willingly
commit
?
If
this
were
a
watrrantable
course
why
might
he
not
still
follow
his
old
trade
of
cardmaking
&
then
afterwardes
cleare
himself
by
witnessing
&
writing
against
them
?
why
might
he
not
also
make
idoles
or
images
&
afterwardes
cleare
himself
from
partaking
with
the
sinne
of
Idolatours
by
testifying
against
them
?
Behold
here
the
extreme
absurdity
of
the
Brownistes
who
condemne
our
communion
where
we
duely
testify
against
the
evilles
committed
by
others
whiles
they
think
to
iustify
themselves
by
testifying
against
those
evilles
in
the
committing
whereof
they
them selves
have
a
hand
.
2.
In
a
due
testification
against
evill
,
the
testimony
ought
to
be
as
large
as
the
evill
,
the
plaister
ought
to
be
as
large
as
the
soare
;
but
Delescluse
is
vncertayne
whether
his
writing
(
which
he
countes
a
plaister
for
the
errours
and
sores
in
Mr.
Br.
his
booke
)
shall
ever
spread
so
far
as
Mr.
Br.
his
booke
,
&
therfore
it
must
needes
be
folly
and
sin
in
him
that
shall
voluntarily
and
wilfully
publish
such
thinges
which
he
accountes
as
stumbling
blockes
layd
before
the
blinde
,
while
he
is
ignorant
whether
his
labour
shall
ever
come
so
far
as
to
help
the
removall
thereof
in
many
places
.
12.
IN
the
subscription
of
his
Epistle
he
vnder
writes
thus
Thine
as
thou
art
the
Lordes
Iean
Delescluse
,
that
is
to
say
,
Thine
as
thou
art
a
Brewnist
and
a
separatist
,
for
al
the
promises
of
God
and
of
salvation
,
they
do
oft
appropriate
vnto
those
that
separate
:
Those
onely
they
declare
to
be
the
lords
as
touching
their
visible
estate
:
Therfore
howsoever
he
wold
seeme
to
professe
friendship
,
it
is
but
hypocrisy
:
beware
of
such
f●endes
.
13.
LEt
vs
now
come
from
his
Epistle
to
the
book
it self
,
where
in
he
takes
vpon
him
to
shew
how
corruptly
Mr.
Brightman
hath
taught
that
the
church
of
England
is
not
to
be
separated
from
not
withstanding
all
the
sinnes
and
abhominations
that
are
in
the
same
:
This
poynt
he
sets
downe
both
in
the
title
of
his
booke
and
in
his
Epistle
againe
,
as
the
butte
or
white
at
which
he
meanes
to
shoote
,
against
this
make
he
bendes
his
bow
and
prepares
his
arrowes
vpon
the
stinge
:
And
for
the
proofe
of
this
poynt
he
sets
downe
ten
speciall
speeches
which
Mr.
Brightman
hath
vttred
touching
the
corruptions
of
the
church
of
England
.
The
first
speech
he
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alledgeth
are
these
wordes
of
Mr.
Brightman
,
I
could
not
but
mourne
from
the
bottome
of
my
heart
,
when
I
beheld
in
her
Christe
loathing
vs
,
and
very
greatly
provoked
against
vs
.
Here
vpon
Iean
Deslescluse
inferreth
thus
:
First
,
the
Lord
was
angry
with
Israel
in
the
dayes
of
Iehoahaz
,
2.
kin
,
13.
3.
It
is
also
sayd
in
the
like
phrase
of
speech
that
the
wrath
of
the
Lord
was
kindled
against
Israel
in
the
dayes
of
David
,
2.
Sam.
24.
1.
Doth
it
now
follow
that
Israel
in
the
dayes
of
David
was
in
no
better
estate
then
in
the
dayes
of
Iehoahaz
?
The
contrary
is
most
evident
&
plaine
,
Israel
being
at
one
time
a
true
church
&
at
th'
other
a
false
church
by
the
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Ains.
counterp
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pag.
7.
8.
confession
of
the
Brownistes
themselves
:
It
is
sayd
in
one
generall
phrase
,
I
hate
all
false
wayes
,
Ps.
119.
128.
Now
it
is
one
false
way
to
be
hated
or
loathed
that
the
high
places
were
reteyned
in
the
dayes
of
Iehoash
&
others
2.
kin.
12.
3.
&
14.
4.
It
was
an
other
false
way
that
the
golden
calves
&
Baal
were
worshipped
by
the
kinges
of
Israel
:
doth
it
now
follow
that
these
people
were
one
of
them
in
no
better
estate
then
the
other
,
because
the
phrase
of
hating
or
loathing
might
be
vsed
against
both
of
them
?
Nothing
lesse
.
To
come
neerer
vnto
them
;
Mr.
Robinson
accounting
it
a
false
way
&
a
violation
of
Gods
ordinance
in
Mr.
Ainsworthes
company
that
they
have
no
separation
of
their
aimes
among
them
,
it
followes
herevpon
that
in
his
account
also
the
word
of
loathing
or
hating
may
be
vsed
against
them
,
seing
every
false
way
reteyned
is
to
be
loathed
;
And
further
Mr.
Robinson
holdes
it
a
false
way
&
order
of
government
that
is
practised
in
Mr.
Iohnsons
church
,
which
is
therfore
also
to
be
loathed
by
them
:
Doth
it
now
follow
from
hence
that
by
this
graunt
Mr.
Ainsworthes
company
is
in
no
better
estate
then
Mr.
Iohnsons
,
because
of
the
same
word
of
loathing
attributed
vnto
both
of
them
?
Nothing
lesse
.
The
matter
being
thus
made
plaine
vnto
them
,
the
simplest
among
them
may
see
,
what
a
corrupt
&
blinde
maner
of
reasoning
is
here
vsed
by
their
elder
Delescluse
.
Secondly
,
14.
IN
the
next
place
he
procedes
&
labours
to
perswade
his
reader
,
that
the
Lord
hath
more
iust
cause
to
wath
the
church
of
England
,
then
that
of
the
Israelites
in
the
wildernes
:
Wel
,
suppose
now
,
that
this
also
were
granted
vnto
him
,
would
this
prove
that
we
should
then
separate
from
England
?
In
no
sort
;
for
the
Lord
had
more
cause
to
loath
the
church
of
Israel
in
the
dayes
of
Christe
,
then
in
the
wildernes
,
And
yet
even
then
also
there
was
a
lawfull
communion
with
that
church
when
the
measure
of
their
iniquity
was
greater
,
and
when
there
was
a
greater
then
Moses
to
convince
them
of
that
wickednes
:
And
thus
we
see
how
that
still
he
comes
short
of
the
mark
he
shootes
at
,
seing
greater
abhominations
then
those
of
Israel
in
the
desert
are
yet
no
sufficient
ground
of
separation
.
15.
FOr
the
further
declaration
of
this
matter
,
let
vs
a
litle
examine
his
particular
instances
here
alledged
by
him
,
first
(
sayth
he
)
that
church
had
a
true
ministery
,
and
true
offices
and
officers
,
and
so
hath
not
the
church
of
England
by
Mr.
Brightmans
owne
graunt
.
First
,
Mr.
Iohnson
,
he
was
then
a
false
officer
,
that
whole
company
being
in
schisme
&
therfore
a
false
church
yeelding
no
lawfull
officers
;
2ly
,
suppose
Mr.
Iohnsons
company
had
bene
a
true
church
,
and
he
a
true
officer
in
it
yet
seing
he
hath
now
schismed
from
that
company
,
and
was
also
deposed
from
his
office
by
Mr.
Iohnson
and
his
assistants
,
how
can
he
in
this
schisme
be
reputed
a
true
minister
?
3ly
,
when
he
was
yet
a
member
of
the
french
chuch
and
did
there
earnestly
seek
an
office
,
after
tryall
of
his
giftes
he
was
repelled
and
iudged
insufficient
and
vnmeete
to
be
a
minister
:
Now
then
shall
he
that
was
both
Kept
out
from
entring
into
an
office
as
vnworthy
,
and
againe
thrust
out
of
an
office
as
vnworthy
after
he
had
entred
,
and
this
both
by
a
true
reformed
church
and
by
the
Brownistes
themselves
,
shall
this
vnworthy
person
come
now
and
in
the
middes
of
his
vnworthines
pronounce
sentence
touching
the
truth
or
falshood
of
offices
&
ministeries
in
the
church
?
Secondly
,
Thirdly
,
16.
THat
second
particular
exception
which
he
bringeth
touching
persecution
by
the
officers
in
the
church
of
England
is
againe
repeated
by
him
in
his
tenth
speech
of
Mr.
Brightmans
which
he
alledgeth
&
is
there
answered
,
for
which
see
the
38.
section
following
.
17.
THe
third
particular
difference
which
he
affirmeth
to
have
bene
betwixt
Israel
&
Eng.
is
,
that
their
government
in
Israel
was
not
a
mixt
governement
partiy
of
the
Egiptians
,
partly
of
the
Moabites
and
Edomites
or
Cananeans
,
but
simple
and
and
pure
according
to
the
true
patterne
shewed
to
Moses
in
the
mount
;
but
that
of
England
is
not
so
,
for
Mr.
Brightman
affirmeth
it
to
be
partly
Romish
and
partly
reformed
etc.
First
,
Mr.
Robinson
writeth
,
viz.
that
the
church
officers
,
the
priests
&
levites
in
the
Iewish
church
to
whom
the
charge
of
the
whole
congregation
for
the
service
of
the
tabernackle
did
appertayne
,
had
no
authority
by
the
order
of
their
office
to
inflict
any
censure
spiritually
vpon
the
people
,
but
onely
to
interpret
the
law
ett
.
Answ.
to
Mr.
Bern.
pag.
198.
then
is
all
this
idle
which
Delescluse
doth
here
speak
of
their
government
:
If
the
ecclesiasticall
officers
did
exercise
no
government
at
all
,
then
is
it
in
vayne
to
dispute
of
the
purity
of
a
thing
that
was
nothing
.
Secondly
,
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.
pag.
61.
Mr.
Robinson
doth
write
,
and
Mr.
Smith
also
hath
written
before
him
,
then
was
the
government
of
the
Iewes
a
devised
governement
,
an
Impure
and
mixt
governement
,
partly
divine
and
partly
humane
;
and
yet
not
with
standing
this
mixt
government
we
see
there
was
then
a
lawfull
communion
;
that
mixture
of
devised
governement
was
no
ground
of
separation
,
as
this
Delescluse
would
vainely
collect
against
Mr.
Britghman
and
against
the
church
of
England
.
Thirdly
,
Mr.
Ainsworthes
company
to
be
reiected
seing
it
doth
exercise
a
popular
confused
and
mixt
government
,
consisting
partly
in
the
power
of
the
officers
,
but
chiefely
in
the
power
of
the
people
:
And
thus
the
collection
of
Delescluse
serves
to
overthrow
his
owne
governement
:
And
the
shame
of
this
their
mixed
governement
which
Mr.
Iohnson
hath
affirmed
to
be
worse
then
the
goverement
of
the
church
of
England
,
doth
in
this
respect
lye
the
more
heavily
on
them
in
that
Mr.
Iohnson
hath
also
in
a
printed
booke
condemned
the
same
,
which
booke
the
Ainswort
hians
have
not
yet
answerd
.
18.
THe
fourth
particular
instance
which
he
bringeth
to
prove
the
difference
betwixt
Israel
&
England
is
this
:
None
of
that
church
(
sayth
he
)
were
admitted
vnto
any
office
but
onely
such
as
were
lawfully
called
therevnto
as
Aaron
was
,
but
so
it
is
not
in
England
etc.
First
,
it
is
onely
the
bare
affirmati
of
Delescluse
that
sayth
of
the
church
of
Israel
that
none
were
there
admitted
vnto
any
office
but
onely
such
as
were
lawfully
called
as
Aaronwas
;
where
is
his
proofe
from
the
scriptures
where
of
he
boasted
in
his
Epistle
.
Secondly
,
Luk.
3.
2.
Ioh.
11.
51.
it
was
not
possible
that
both
of
them
could
be
lawfully
admitted
vnto
the
execution
of
that
office
which
was
peculiar
vnto
one
man
during
his
life
.
Thirdly
,
seing
Mr.
Iohnson
hath
offred
to
prove
vnto
Mr.
Ainsworth
&
his
company
that
in
their
popular
governement
they
are
like
▪
19.
FRom
these
instances
above
mentioned
he
drawes
a
terrible
conclusion
on
this
manner
,
that
there
is
nothing
to
be
expected
from
Christe
,
by
any
member
thereof
,
but
a
powring
out
of
his
eternal
wrath
vpon
them
.
In
this
peremptory
sentence
which
he
denounceth
against
the
church
of
England
he
takes
on
him
as
if
he
would
seeme
to
be
one
of
those
seven
angelles
which
having
their
breastes
g●●ded
with
golden
girdles
do
stand
with
the
vialles
of
Gods
wrath
in
their
handes
to
powre
●ut
●is
vengeance
on
the
wicked
,
Rom
3.
28.
and
8.
1.
For
such
beleeves
there
are
many
in
the
church
of
England
holding
that
doctrine
of
faith
&
iustification
whereby
the
faithfull
&
the
saintes
in
al
the
reformed
churches
do
hope
to
ente●
into
life
everlasting
,
&
that
whereby
the
Brownistes
themselves
must
be
saved
if
ever
they
enter
into
glory
:
Now
to
denounce
the
aeternall
wrath
of
Christe
to
those
that
have
true
faith
,
what
is
it
els
but
to
abolish
the
gospell
,
to
destroy
faith
&
to
make
it
of
no
effect
?
If
an
angell
from
heaven
should
come
&
preach
vnto
vs
as
Delescluse
here
hath
done
,
yet
ought
we
not
to
receive
him
,
Gal.
1.
8.
But
here
the
Brownistes
obiect
that
true
fayth
shewes
it self
by
workes
,
First
,
Ps.
89.
15.
Ps.
1.
2.
Ioel.
2.
32.
Esa.
56.
4.
5.
6.
Mat.
10.
41.
42.
Mat.
5.
4.
10.
11.
Secondly
,
that
there
is
nothing
to
be
expected
from
Christe
by
any
member
thereof
,
but
a
powring
out
of
his
aeternall
wrath
vpon
them
,
for
who
can
vnderstand
his
faults
and
who
is
it
but
that
he
sinnes
of
ignorance
,
and
why
not
in
the
mysterie
of
the
separation
as
well
as
in
others
,
especially
it
being
such
a
poynt
as
the
members
of
all
other
true
churches
can
not
comprehend
the
same
?
Not
with
standing
such
errours
the
members
of
the
church
of
England
may
be
vpright
with
the
Lord
and
accepted
of
him
and
made
partakers
of
eternall
salvation
,
Ps.
19.
13.
1.
Cor.
13.
9.
with
1.
Cor.
1.
30.
Ps.
32.
1.
2.
But
to
salve
or
mitigate
this
their
vnchristian
and
hard
sentence
,
they
tell
vs
that
in
such
maner
of
sentences
and
iudgements
they
speak
respectively
,
in
respect
of
their
ministery
,
in
respect
of
their
constitution
,
in
respect
of
their
estate
,
being
so
considered
etc.
In
this
exception
the
Brownistes
do
shew
their
vanity
in
seeking
out
frivolous
pretences
to
colour
their
rash
iudgements
;
Gal.
2.
16.
and
3.
7.
Eph.
2.
8.
and
therfore
such
a
one
in
his
outward
estate
and
profession
is
still
a
visible
Christian
notwithstanding
any
other
visible
iniquities
wherein
he
ignorantly
continueth
.
Secondly
,
Ioh.
12.
48.
Mark
.
16.
16.
and
therfore
according
to
this
word
of
the
Lord
the
estate
of
of
men
is
absolutely
to
be
declared
without
such
respective
considerations
and
exceptions
.
If
the
question
had
bene
onely
about
the
reproofe
of
some
particular
sin
in
any
person
,
or
about
the
comparing
of
one
person
with
an
other
than
might
they
have
iudged
herein
respectively
;
for
the
man
that
is
a
true
Christian
may
in
some
respect
be
worthily
reprehended
&
may
in
some
respect
be
vnlike
vnto
others
;
but
when
the
question
is
about
the
iudgement
of
a
true
Christian
&
about
his
obteyning
of
salvation
,
then
are
such
partiall
&
respective
considerations
idle
&
of
no
vse
:
A
man
is
in
such
case
either
absolutely
to
be
condemned
or
absolutely
to
be
iustifyed
&
acquit
.
Thirdly
,
that
there
is
nothing
to
be
expected
from
Christe
,
by
any
member
thereof
,
but
a
powring
out
of
his
eternall
wrath
vpon
them
,
seing
no
sin
is
in
it self
veniall
,
al
sinnes
with
out
f●●th
in
him
do
bring
eternall
wrath
,
as
well
one
as
an
other
.
And
in
like
maner
Mr.
Iohnson
holding
the
same
corruptions
in
the
reformed
dutch
&
french
churches
,
they
stand
all
subiect
to
wrath
,
God
imputing
this
their
sinne
vnto
them
.
For
any
one
of
the
least
sinnes
do
make
men
subiect
to
wrath
God
imputing
the
same
vnto
them
.
Lastly
,
Mr.
Iohnson
(
as
he
telleth
vs
himself
)
whensoever
he
vttred
his
hard
sentence
against
the
church
of
England
did
alwayes
speak
with
caution
and
added
some
of
these
clauses
,
being
so
considred
,
in
that
estate
,
in
that
〈◊〉
.
But
here
Delescluse
without
any
caution
or
clause
of
consideration
shuts
them
vp
all
vnder
eternall
wrath
,
makes
his
arrowes
drun●ken
with
the
blood
of
soules
,
&
will
needes
have
them
all
to
drinck
the
cup
of
indignation
from
his
hand
with
no
lesse
sin
&
drunkennes
of
errour
then
when
he
had
drunken
that
cup
of
magis
whereof
Iacob
Iohnson
is
sayd
to
have
admonished
him
,
he
doth
in
this
place
as
vainely
condemne
the
faithfull
for
no
sheepe
of
Christe
,
as
he
did
then
commend
the
same
Iacob
Iohnson
to
be
a
fit
pastour
for
his
sheepe
.
20.
THe
second
speech
of
Mr.
Brightman
alledged
to
shew
that
he
doth
corruptly
teach
against
the
separation
is
this
,
that
the
most
mighty
king
Henry
had
expelled
the
pope
,
but
reteyned
the
popish
superstition
.
Note
here
the
folly
of
Delescluse
,
21.
FVrther
,
whereas
Delescluse
sayth
that
the
pope
cannot
properly
be
sayd
to
be
expelled
when
his
doctrine
and
superstition
is
retepned
,
it
is
a
vayne
Cavill
,
for
first
,
if
he
stand
so
precisely
vpon
propriety
of
speech
,
the
pope
can
not
properly
be
sayd
to
be
expelled
,
no
not
then
where
his
doctrine
and
superstition
is
expelled
;
It
is
a
figurative
speech
to
note
the
popish
doctrine
and
superstition
vnder
the
name
of
the
pope
himself
.
2ly
,
it
is
yet
a
true
and
a
fit
speech
in
Mr.
Brightman
to
say
that
the
pope
was
expelled
when
the
iurisdiction
of
the
pope
and
the
supremacy
formerly
annexed
vnto
his
person
was
denyed
and
reiected
,
when
he
was
no
longer
acknowledged
to
be
the
head
of
that
church
,
when
that
which
was
vniustly
arrogated
vnto
the
person
of
the
pope
was
translated
vnto
the
person
of
the
king
as
it
was
in
King
Henries
dayes
:
even
as
the
venetians
at
this
day
might
very
fitly
be
sayd
to
expell
the
pope
,
if
they
would
vtterly
deny
his
supremacy
both
in
civill
and
Ecclesiastcall
causes
,
howsoever
they
might
reteyne
many
popish
superstitions
.
2.
THe
third
speech
of
Mr.
Bright
man
which
he
bringes
against
him
to
prove
a
separation
from
the
church
of
England
is
this
,
These
wordes
Mr.
B.
vttred
in
comparing
the
church
of
Laodicea
&
England
togather
,
23.
WIth
this
third
speech
he
desires
that
this
which
he
hath
set
downe
for
the
fift
charge
may
be
ioyned
,
where
Mr.
B.
sayth
,
that
no
other
cause
can
be
brought
of
their
lukewarmnes
,
the
popish
governement
mingled
with
the
pure
doctrine
,
then
the
love
of
riches
and
honours
.
And
what
can
he
conclude
hence
?
Mat.
23.
5.
etc.
Luk.
16.
14.
&
yet
communion
with
them
was
lawfull
.
24.
HE
desires
further
that
this
complaint
of
lukewarmnes
may
be
compared
with
that
prayse
of
reformation
which
Mr.
Br.
gives
vnto
the
church
of
England
in
the
title
of
his
epistle
dedicatory
:
Wel
,
being
compared
with
the
same
it
may
well
stand
togather
with
it
,
for
reformed
churches
may
yet
have
lukewarme
ministers
&
many
other
greevous
corruptions
to
be
complayned
of
:
yea
doth
not
Delescluse
condemne
himself
in
this
matter
?
for
doth
not
he
also
in
the
title
of
his
booke
&
in
his
epistle
written
to
the
English
readers
entitle
them
with
the
name
of
godly
reader
and
Christian
reader
?
And
is
there
any
god
●ine●
without
reformation
?
Is
there
any
Christian
that
is
not
reformed
?
Why
then
may
not
Mr.
B.
call
those
holy
&
reformed
whom
Delescluse
doth
call
godly
and
Christian
?
25.
HE
demandes
still
in
the
same
place
&
sayth
;
Is
it
possible
that
holynes
and
vnholynes
can
raigne
togather
?
We
answer
;
Yea
,
in
one
&
the
same
church
in
the
divers
members
thereof
,
as
in
the
church
of
the
iewes
,
holynes
raygned
in
Christe
&
his
disciples
,
vnholynes
raigned
in
the
scribes
and
Pharisees
&c.
26.
HE
yet
demandes
againe
&
saith
,
Is
there
any
communion
betweene
Christe
and
Anti-christe
?
betweene
light
and
darknes
?
betweene
Idolles
and
the
true
God
?
Can
any
kingdome
,
any
church
,
any
family
,
any
man
submit
vnto
the
governement
of
Anti-christe
and
not
be
defiled
.
We
answer
,
though
Christe
&
Anti-christe
be
enimies
,
yet
the
servants
of
Christe
may
lawfully
communicate
in
that
church
where
many
abhominations
of
Anti-christe
are
to
be
seene
,
sor
as
francis
wingrave
a
Brownist
doth
truely
acknowledge
,
Every
abhomination
of
Anti-thriste
doth
not
make
a
church
to
become
Anti-christian
for
the
best
churches
are
subiect
to
errour
and
some
abhominations
of
Anti-christe
,
were
crept
into
Christian
churches
whiles
the
Apostles
lived
:
And
yet
communion
was
lawfull
therein
.
Even
so
the
children
of
light
&
the
children
of
darknes
did
communicate
togather
in
Christes
time
:
As
for
Idolles
if
they
be
no
other
then
set
formes
of
read
prayer
and
such
like
,
which
the
Brownistes
call
idolles
,
communion
with
them
is
lawfull
enough
:
And
for
governement
though
Caiaphas
was
an
Anti-christian
vsurper
,
yet
did
many
persons
lawfully
submit
vnto
his
power
:
Thus
hath
God
himself
and
his
Prophets
,
Christ
and
his
Apostles
taught
vs
both
by
their
word
and
example
and
therfore
let
Delescluse
heare
the
Prophet
Esay
which
he
alledgeth
,
turning
vnto
him
and
saying
vnto
the
maynteyners
of
schisme
,
wo
vnto
them
that
call
that
communion
evill
which
the
Lord
hath
shewed
to
be
good
and
lawfull
.
27.
FRom
a
fourth
speech
of
Mr.
Br.
he
reasoneth
thus
:
First
,
farr
better
:
It
had
bene
far
better
for
Delescluse
to
have
to
have
omitted
that
clause
,
&
to
have
repeated
Mr.
Brightmans
comparison
simply
&
truely
with
out
such
addition
;
but
it
seemes
he
he
favours
his
owne
cause
more
than
true
dealing
.
Secondely
,
then
the
condition
of
the
angel
of
the
church
of
England
as
though
Mr.
Brightman
had
spoken
generally
and
without
exception
touching
the
whole
ministery
of
the
church
of
England
,
whereas
even
by
Delescluses
owne
[
*
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*
●dvertis
.
●●g.
5.
former
allegation
of
the
wordes
,
Mr.
Br.
speakes
of
those
angelles
,
who
bewitched
with
ambition
and
covetousnes
do
refuse
holy
reformation
,
where
yet
also
he
leaves
out
the
word
onely
being
a
word
of
restraint
vsed
by
[
†
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†
See
lati●●●e
edition
●f
Mr.
B.
●●n
kev.
cha
〈◊〉
.
vers.
15.
●ag.
106.
Mr.
Brightman
of
purpose
to
prevent
the
cavilles
of
such
honest
men
as
this
Delescluse
here
shewes
him self
,
Mr.
Brightman
sayth
that
Christe
in
this
place
preferreth
the
blinde
papistes
,
onely
before
those
angelles
,
who
bewitched
with
ambition
etc.
And
thus
the
double
falshood
of
Delescluse
appeareth
not
onely
in
adding
but
also
in
omitting
that
which
was
most
significant
and
specially
to
be
considred
.
Thirdly
,
He
may
much
abuse
any
mans
words
if
that
which
is
spoken
respectively
,
he
will
take
and
alledge
as
spoken
absolutely
.
What
though
the
Lord
do
in
some
respect
p●ef●ree
Ch●●tim
&
Kedar
before
Israel
Ier.
2.
10.
11.
?
May
it
be
observed
hence
that
the
estate
of
Israel
was
simply
worse
then
those
heathens
,
or
that
Israel
was
to
be
separated
from
rather
then
they
?
The
papistes
are
in
some
respect
worse
〈…〉
followes
it
not
hence
that
they
are
simply
&
absolutely
worse
.
〈…〉
of
the
Ainsworthians
that
they
are
worse
then
the
Fran●●●scanes
in
respect
of
their
contention
,
vnquietnes
&
disorder
,
doth
it
follow
hence
that
he
accountes
the
Ainsworthians
to
be
simply
the
worse
&
rather
to
be
separated
from
?
Nothing
lesse
.
By
these
examples
let
Delescluse
learne
to
see
his
folly
in
ga-thering
such
observations
.
28.
AFter
this
false
recitall
of
Mr.
Br.
his
wordes
togather
with
his
false
observation
vpon
the
same
he
makes
this
question
in
the
[
*
](A01099-e3560-b)
*
Adverti●●
pag.
10.
same
place
.
〈◊〉
where
are
then
those
great
prayses
of
all
manner
of
blessinges
vpon
that
church
rehearsed
in
the
second
artickle
,
but
cheefely
these
spirituall
blessinges
of
the
word
purely
and
sincerely
taught
in
it
.
First
,
Secondly
,
29.
A
Seventh
speech
which
Delesc
.
bringeth
from
Mr.
B.
against
the
church
of
England
is
this
that
naughtines
raigneth
in
it
,
the
hand
of
God
is
heavy
vpon
it
;
and
againe
,
that
in
her
the
lawes
of
Christe
are
not
kept
.
Hence
he
inferreth
;
But
what
is
there
then
to
be
done
,
even
this
that
every
soule
who
hath
any
care
of
salvation
and
of
escaping
the
eternall
flames
of
everlasting
damnation
be
carefull
to
come
out
with
speed
from
Babylon
etc.
This
conclusion
of
separation
which
Delescluse
here
gathereth
&
denounceth
vnder
paine
of
eternall
flames
of
everlasting
damnation
is
vayne
,
Mat.
2.
16.
and
12.
24.
and
14.
9.
and
16.
12.
21.
2ly
,
the
hand
of
God
was
heavy
vpon
them
in
their
manifold
oppressions
&
miseries
which
they
endured
vnder
the
government
of
the
Romanes
&
their
substitutes
,
Mat.
2.
16.
and
3.
10.
and
17.
24.
etc.
Luk.
13.
1.
and
2.
1.
Ioh.
11.
48.
3ly
,
the
lawes
of
Christ
were
not
kept
there
Mat.
15.
3.
Ioh.
15.
20.
22.
And
now
by
the
sentence
of
Delescluse
,
eternall
flames
of
evelasting
damnation
must
be
the
portion
of
Christe
&
his
Disciples
that
communicated
with
that
church
,
who
will
not
detest
such
vile
conclusions
,
which
are
like
vnto
arrowes
shot
even
against
the
breaste
of
Christe
Iesus
himself
?
As
he
that
makes
himself
mad
casteth
firebrandes
,
arrowes
and
mortall
thinges
prov
.
26.
18.
so
Delescluse
in
this
place
casting
abroad
his
firebrandes
of
eternall
damnation
,
shooting
his
arrowes
against
heaven
,
&
throwing
mortall
thinges
even
vpon
the
Lord
of
life
what
doth
he
els
herein
but
declare
himself
to
be
a
mad
man
?
&
why
might
not
this
his
booke
which
he
entitles
an
Ad-vertisement
be
much
more
fitly
entitled
a
Mad-vertisement
.
Secondly
,
all
that
Mr.
Br.
affirmeth
in
this
place
touching
England
hath
bene
affirmed
by
the
Brownistes
themselves
touching
one
an
other
:
Ps.
1.
4.
Mat.
3.
12.
As
for
the
Franciscanes
(
besides
many
other
greevous
thinges
)
some
of
Mr.
Ainsworthes
company
do
testify
of
them
,
that
probable
murder
and
approved
whoredomes
are
tolerated
or
maynteyned
among
them
;
Delescluse
himself
is
noted
for
one
of
the
witnesses
.
30.
FVrther
Delescluse
to
prove
a
separation
from
that
church
where
naughtines
raigneth
doth
alledge
that
saying
of
the
Apostle
,
he
which
coupleth
himself
with
an
harlot
,
is
one
body
,
1.
Cor.
6.
16.
But
this
allegation
(
though
repeated
*
againe
by
hiu
as
a
speciall
ground
of
their
separation
)
is
nothing
to
the
purpose
;
Mat.
1.
5.
with
Iosh.
6.
25.
The
priestes
indeed
were
forbidden
,
even
by
mariage
to
couple
them selves
with
an
harlot
,
Lev.
21.
7.
14.
that
others
were
so
forbidden
we
reade
not
.
But
as
for
ioyning
in
communion
with
a
church
where
naughtines
raigned
,
it
was
not
forbidden
,
no
not
to
the
priestes
themselves
,
from
Aaron
to
Zacharie
we
never
read
or
any
godly
priestes
,
that
did
ever
separate
vpon
such
a
ground
a
Delescluse
doth
here
pretend
.
31.
WHereas
againe
Delescluse
noteth
that
as
concerning
the
outward
blessinges
of
peace
and
prosperity
in
earthly
thinges
,
by
it
no
church
,
no
man
can
have
any
assurance
to
be
in
the
favour
of
God
etc.
This
note
is
idle
,
neither
hath
Mr
B.
alledged
outward
prosperity
as
a
marke
of
of
a
true
church
and
Delescluse
doth
abuse
Mr.
B.
by
insinuating
vnto
the
reader
such
a
matter
,
for
to
what
end
should
he
els
oppose
the
fame
?
In
this
note
Delescluse
doth
so
fight
as
one
that
beateth
the
ayre
fighting
with
his
owne
shadow
and
so
offendeth
against
the
example
of
the
Apostle
,
1.
Cor.
9.
26.
32.
IN
the
next
place
to
confort
his
reader
against
the
tediousnes
of
his
short
writing
he
telles
vs
,
that
he
will
now
begin
to
draw
to
an
end
concerning
his
charges
&c.
and
that
he
will
draw
the
rest
into
a
short
summe
:
But
what
needed
he
to
do
so
,
if
there
had
bene
any
soundnes
in
this
his
so
short
a
writing
?
hath
he
not
already
hasted
&
posted
so
fast
on
that
he
hath
forgot
his
reckoning
?
for
whereas
in
the
beginning
of
his
booke
he
hath
numbred
out
ten
charges
or
testimonies
of
Mr.
Brightman
touching
the
corruptions
in
the
church
of
England
&
hath
also
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3.
&
●…
promised
to
declare
his
minde
concerning
them
,
notwithstanding
this
,
forgetting
his
method
propounded
at
the
beginning
,
forgetting
his
promise
made
vnto
the
reader
,
as
though
he
could
not
count
ten
,
so
hath
he
left
out
one
of
his
number
&
hath
not
shewed
vs
his
minde
touching
the
sixt
testimony
of
Mr.
B.
which
he
alledged
at
first
:
Thus
we
see
he
makes
more
hast
then
good
speede
:
Could
he
not
runne
except
he
skip
with
all
by
leaping
quite
over
the
matter
which
he
propounded
&
promised
to
handle
?
33.
COme
we
now
vnto
the
eighth
allegation
which
he
bringeth
from
Mr.
Br.
against
the
church
of
England
touching
some
constitutions
and
ordinances
in
the
same
,
excellent
ordinances
indeed
;
for
which
the
reformed
churches
may
be
ashamed
.
First
of
all
observe
here
his
ignorance
in
the
mistranslation
of
these
wordes
;
prae
quibus
erubescant
reformatae
Ecclesiae
are
not
to
be
translated
as
here
they
are
set
downe
by
Delescluse
but
in
a
quite
contrary
sense
;
prae
quibus
signifying
not
for
whith
but
in
comparison
whereof
the
reformed
churches
may
be
ashamed
,
And
as
these
two
speeches
are
quite
contrary
,
if
we
should
first
say
thus
Delescluse
hath
written
such
thinges
for
which
Mr.
Ainsworth
may
be
ashamed
and
then
againe
on
th●
other
side
to
say
,
Delescluse
hath
written
such
thinges
in
comparison
whereof
Mr.
Ainsworth
might
be
ashamed
,
for
the
first
of
cheefe
speeches
doth
declare
how
ill
he
hath
done
to
make
his
fellowes
ashamed
,
the
second
sheweth
how
well
he
hath
done
to
shame
his
fellowes
that
they
can
not
imitate
him
,
even
such
difference
is
there
betwixt
the
speech
of
Mr.
B.
truely
translated
,
and
betwixt
the
ignorant
translation
thereof
by
Delescluse
in
this
place
.
And
herewithall
is
to
be
noted
that
as
there
is
an
jronie
or
figurative
speech
in
the
fi●st
part
of
Mr.
B.
his
testimony
,
where
he
speaketh
of
excellent
ordinances
,
even
so
also
he
speakes
by
the
contrary
when
he
telles
vs
in
the
latter
part
thereof
,
how
the
reformed
churches
may
blush
thereat
,
as
though
they
had
not
the
like
ordinances
,
but
in
the
translation
of
Delescluse
this
jroine
is
not
to
be
found
.
He
telles
vs
in
his
Epistle
how
he
hath
had
a
hand
both
in
the
translating
and
printing
of
Mr.
B.
his
booke
,
that
so
he
might
be
found
guilty
of
all
manner
of
falsification
,
1.
false
printing
and
glosing
as
is
noted
before
.
sect.
9.
2ly
,
false
allegation
as
is
shewed
before
sect.
27.
3ly
false
translation
as
in
this
place
,
4ly
,
false
interpretation
&
collections
throughout
his
booke
.
Secondly
,
what
if
the
reformed
churches
may
be
ashamed
of
the
corruptions
&
〈◊〉
in
the
church
of
England
?
34.
DElescluse
in
his
amplification
of
this
fore sayd
speech
makes
a
large
complaint
against
the
reformed
churches
,
In
this
complaint
observe
first
,
Secondly
,
note
here
how
he
breakes
his
promise
:
he
promised
immediately
before
to
be
breefe
&
to
bring
that
which
remayned
into
a
short
summe
;
Thirdly
,
let
the
reader
know
that
the
reformed
churches
have
plenteonsly
testifyed
against
the
corruptions
of
the
church
of
England
contrary
to
that
which
Delescluse
doth
here
pretend
:
Abridgement
of
the
booke
delivered
to
his
maiesty
by
ministers
of
lincol
.
etc.
The
answer
to
D.
Downehams
sermon
;
the
scholasticall
discourse
against
the
signe
of
the
crosse
,
wherein
may
be
seene
the
pregnant
and
abundant
testimonies
of
learned
men
in
the
reformed
churches
both
against
the
hierarchy
or
prelacy
and
also
against
the
superstitious
ceremonies
remayning
in
the
church
of
England
,
as
namely
Calvine
,
Beza
,
Musculus
,
Bucer
,
Martyr
,
Bullinger
,
Aretius
,
Zanchius
,
Mornaeus
,
Iunius
,
Sadeel
,
Piscator
,
Polanus
,
Vrsinus
,
Virel
,
Viret
,
Grinaeus
,
Bucanus
,
Goulartius
,
Danaeus
,
Olevian
,
Zepperus
,
Lubbertus
,
Bastingius
,
Snecanus
,
Keckerman
,
with
a
number
more
,
who
as
they
have
testifyed
against
the
corruptions
maynteyned
by
the
prelates
on
the
one
side
,
so
have
they
testifyed
against
the
separation
&
schisme
maynteyned
by
the
Brownistes
and
Anabaptistes
on
th'
other
side
:
In
so
much
that
both
they
which
plead
for
the
prelacy
and
they
which
plead
for
separation
do
in
like
manner
esteeme
and
hold
the
ministers
of
the
reformed
churches
as
their
partyes
and
adversaries
,
see
D.
Down
hams
defence
,
lib.
1.
pag.
197.
and
H.
Ainsw
.
counterpoy
.
pag.
15.
35.
A
Ninth
speech
of
Mr.
Brightman
alledged
by
Delescluse
is
touching
the
names
of
the
officers
of
that
church
,
where
vpon
Delescluse
infereth
in
these
wordes
:
And
what
is
this
?
shall
then
any
soule
in
whom
there
is
but
a
very
small
sparkle
of
the
feare
of
God
,
be
so
bold
as
to
dare
submit
vnder
the
government
and
guidance
of
such
vnlawfull
ministers
and
ministery
?
Yea
verily
,
of
lawyers
,
scribes
of
the
people
and
according
to
the
writing
of
of
the
Brownistes
,
the
names
of
Archisynagogues
,
or
rulers
of
the
Synagogues
.
Secondly
,
Iean
Delesculse
being
both
of
them
deposed
from
their
offices
for
sin
imputed
vnto
them
by
the
Franciscane
Brownistes
,
suppose
they
were
still
obstinate
in
the
sinnes
imputed
vnto
them
deserving
excommunication
,
&
yet
tolerated
vnlawfully
,
in
this
estate
being
not
iudged
nor
cast
out
by
their
church
their
admonitions
for
sin
either
in
the
first
or
second
place
were
not
to
be
reiected
:
And
if
their
private
admonition
might
be
submitted
vnto
,
why
not
their
publique
also
if
they
had
not
bene
deposed
?
If
in
the
want
of
due
excommunication
the
private
admonition
of
an
vnlawfull
member
is
of
force
&
to
be
submitted
vnto
,
then
in
the
want
of
iust
deposition
the
publique
admonition
or
other
workes
of
governement
exercised
by
vnlawfull
ministers
is
of
force
&
to
be
submitted
vnto
:
This
reason
is
specially
to
be
considred
of
those
Brownistes
that
mainteyne
the
popular
governement
&
submit
vnto
the
same
.
36.
BVt
Delescluse
addes
his
reason
why
such
vnlawfull
ministers
are
not
to
be
submitted
vnto
:
For
sayth
he
:
Are
they
not
all
thieves
and
robbers
which
enter
not
in
by
the
dore
but
climbe
vp
an
other
way
?
And
will
any
man
of
wisedome
commit
vnto
the
protection
and
and
keeping
of
theeves
the
least
part
of
his
worldly
goods
?
No
,
none
wilde
so
vnwise
for
every
one
●ndweth
that
they
will
but
make
a
pray
of
them
and
spoile
and
rob
them
?
And
shall
any
then
be
so
carefull
for
thinges
of
so
small
importance
and
shall
he
not
care
vnto
whom
he
doth
commit
the
guidance
of
that
which
is
the
principall
,
First
,
we
do
directly
affirme
that
which
Delescluse
doth
so
flatly
deny
▪
Many
men
of
wisedome
may
&
will
&
ought
to
commit
vnto
the
protection
&
keeping
of
theeves
not
onely
the
least
part
but
the
greatest
part
of
their
worldly
goods
:
For
all
tyrants
a
wicked
rulers
that
oppresse
&
spoyle
their
subiectes
are
theeves
&
robbers
,
Prov.
28.
15.
Esa.
1.
23.
Hos.
5.
1.
Mic.
3.
1.
2.
etc.
Yea
these
great
thieves
are
in
divers
respectes
more
vile
then
other
outpurses
or
then
th●se
that
rob
by
the
high
way
side
,
Yet
vnto
the
protection
&
keeping
of
these
tyrantes
men
both
of
wisedome
&
godlines
may
&
ought
to
commit
both
their
lives
&
their
goods
;
Those
which
teach
men
not
to
submit
vnto
such
are
guilty
of
rebellion
&
treason
;
Though
Saul
was
a
tyrant
&
an
oppressour
1.
Sam.
8.
11.
etc.
Yet
was
submission
vnto
him
lawfull
&
necessary
,
men
of
wisedome
did
lawfully
commit
themselves
&
their
goods
vnto
his
protection
.
Thus
the
ground
of
Delescluse
his
argument
is
taken
away
.
Secondly
,
Ier.
23.
30.
1.
Cor.
4.
1.
2.
And
such
thieves
there
were
many
in
Israel
,
such
were
many
of
the
scribes
&
lawyers
in
Christes
time
,
Mat.
23.
13.
etc.
Luk.
11.
52.
And
yet
our
saviour
requires
his
servants
to
submit
vnto
such
,
to
heare
their
doctrine
,
though
with
this
caution
to
beware
of
their
leaven
,
Mat.
16.
12.
Men
might
lawfully
receive
their
sound
doctrine
,
while
they
discerned
that
which
was
erroneous
&
tooke
heed
of
the
same
.
The
scribes
in
their
corrupt
and
wicked
administration
or
execution
of
their
office
were
notorious
theeves
;
&
a
theevish
administration
is
as
bad
as
a
thievis●
entrance
,
&
yet
we
see
the
ministery
of
such
might
be
submitted
vnto
.
Thirdly
,
37.
YEt
further
he
bringes
here
a
ground
of
scripture
oft
abused
by
the
Brownistes
to
prove
their
separation
in
these
wordes
:
The
letting
alone
here
spoken
of
by
Christe
is
to
be
vnderstood
in
respect
of
the
offence
which
the
Pharisees
tooke
vniustly
at
the
wordes
of
Christe
that
the
Disciples
should
not
be
troubled
therewith
,
vers.
3.
7.
etc.
But
as
for
separation
from
such
guides
our
saviour
sayth
nothing
,
yea
that
he
meant
no
such
thing
it
appeareth
evidently
by
the
communion
which
he
and
his
Apostles
did
afterwardes
still
reteyne
in
that
church
not
separating
from
the
same
.
And
though
they
were
in
many
thinges
blinde
leaders
,
And
if
blinde
guides
are
to
be
taken
heed
of
,
38.
THe
tenth
speech
of
Mr.
Brightman
he
setteth
downe
on
this
manner
,
Whence
he
inferreth
with
an
exclamation
,
Marvelous
,
and
is
he
still
for
all
this
the
angell
of
the
Church
in
Mr.
Brightmans
iudgement
?
In
mine
doubtlesse
he
is
altogather
otherwise
,
even
that
angell
of
the
bottomlesse
pit
,
who
is
a
king
over
those
locustes
etc.
The
ministers
of
the
Iewish
Church
in
Christes
time
were
both
persecutours
of
the
brethren
and
deceyvers
of
the
princes
and
Governours
,
Secondly
is
not
the
angell
of
the
separation
both
a
persequ●tour
of
the
brethren
and
a
deceyver
or
the
prince
?
39.
NOw
remaines
the
conclusion
of
this
writing
to
be
considred
,
where
after
the
rehersall
of
Mr.
Brightm
.
his
wordes
declaring
their
wicked
and
blasphemous
errour
,
who
do
so
fall
away
from
this
church
as
if
Christe
were
banished
wholly
from
hence
etc
▪
Delescluse
doth
then
cry
out
against
him
;
And
so
by
this
what
soever
sinnes
,
errours
,
wickednesses
,
abhominations
he
hath
shewed
before
to
be
both
in
the
angell
and
in
the
church
it self
,
all
is
now
cured
by
this
salve
:
〈◊〉
most
miserable
dawbing
with
vntempered
morter
.
First
,
note
his
false
dealing
and
abuse
of
Mr.
Br.
as
though
he
had
sayd
or
meant
that
all
the
sinnes
,
we
may
neither
take
▪
pleasure
in
them
as
some
mayntainers
of
those
corrup
doe
,
neither
may
we
forsake
and
fall
from
the
church
as
the
Brownistes
doe
,
he
shewes
in
the
same
place
that
he
wisheth
health
of
minde
vnto
both
these
sorts
that
are
in
a
contrary
extremity
:
And
this
his
wish
shewes
that
he
thought
these
co●●uptions
still
to
be
vncured
,
&
therfore
is
he
most
iniuriously
charged
with
the
contrary
by
Delescluse
.
Secondly
,
most
miserable
dawbing
with
vntem●●●ed
morter
it
is
a
notable
instance
of
the
impudency
of
the
Brownistes
,
who
in
the
middes
of
their
ignorance
,
do
so
boldly
open
a
mouth
against
the
learnedest
ministers
in
the
churches
of
God
:
And
much
more
iustly
may
it
be
returned
vpon
Delescluse
his
owne
head
,
whose
consequences
&
collections
for
separation
from
Mr.
Br.
his
speeches
are
all
of
them
vntempered
morter
&
all
his
reasoning
a
most
mise●●●
dawbing
:
The
iniquity
of
this
his
exclamation
may
easily
be
seene
in
this
that
he
doth
not
refute
Mr.
Br.
his
reasons
alledged
in
this
place
but
passes
then
over
in
silence
:
Mr.
Br.
shewes
of
Laodicea
that
though
the
angell
thereof
was
miserable
and
poore
and
blinde
and
naked
yet
communion
was
lawfull
,
Christ
still
supped
with
the
same
,
he
shewes
withall
that
though
the
like
misery
be
also
found
in
England
,
as
being
the
Antitype
of
Laodicea
,
yet
that
there
is
a
presence
of
Christe
communicating
with
them
,
which
he
proves
further
from
the
experience
of
the
Brownistes
themselves
compared
with
the
scriptures
Rom.
10.
13.
etc.
Rev.
3.
20.
It
had
bene
fitter
for
del
.
to
have
given
a
sound
answer
vnto
these
reasons
then
with
a
sound
of
wordes
to
have
made
so
lowde
an
exclamation
.
Thirdly
,
miserable
dawbing
with
vntempred
morter
among
the
Brownistes
themselves
,
for
this
Del.
hath
often
avouched
and
affirmed
that
there
is
but
one
sound
warrant
and
example
in
the
scriptures
to
stay
men
from
anabaptisme
,
namely
the
example
of
the
apostate
Israelites
that
were
not
recircumcised
when
they
ioyned
againe
with
Iudah
in
the
worship
of
God
,
were
it
not
for
this
example
,
vntempered
morter
:
Now
these
other
reasons
being
vsed
by
the
Franciscanes
while
he
was
yet
among
them
,
why
did
he
not
testify
against
their
vnsound
doctrine
and
convince
them
of
their
errour
?
how
could
he
endure
to
see
such
a
number
of
holy
scriptures
perverted
,
falsifyed
and
abused
by
Mr.
Ioh.
and
Mr.
Clift
.
and
yet
hold
his
peace
?
how
could
he
suffer
them
to
give
so
great
advantage
vnto
Mr.
Smith
and
other
anabaptistes
by
alledging
against
them
so
many
colourable
pretences
and
shadowes
of
reason
wherein
he
thought
there
was
no
substance
?
What
sincerity
is
there
in
the
course
of
these
men
that
see
one
an
others
daubing
&
yet
wink
at
the
same
?
Why
may
we
not
think
that
Delesc
.
doth
now
also
discerne
and
behold
some
dawbing
in
Mr.
Ainsw
.
Tho.
Cocky
,
Ioh.
Hales
and
that
he
winkes
at
it
as
he
did
before
in
Mr.
Ioh.
and
Mr.
Clifton
?
Thus
may
we
here
see
touching
Delescluse
the
onely
governing
elder
of
the
Ainsworthians
,
that
as
there
is
but
one
step
betwixt
him
and
anabaptisme
by
his
owne
confession
,
so
is
there
never
a
step
betwixt
him
and
the
path
of
hypocrisye
;
he
that
sees
his
fellowes
dawbing
with
vntempered
morter
and
lets
them
alone
in
their
sin
,
must
needes
be
a
miserable
dawber
himself
,
he
that
professeth
himself
a
separatist
from
all
knowne
sinners
,
and
yet
sees
his
fellowes
sinning
openly
in
print
,
by
abusing
the
scriptures
in
great
measure
and
still
continuing
in
this
offence
and
yet
tolerates
them
herein
,
how
can
he
be
esteemed
otherwise
then
as
an
apparant
hypocrite
?
40.
ONce
more
he
yet
renewes
his
former
reasoning
and
exclaming
&
sayth
vnto
vs
:
For
the
substance
of
this
obiection
it
is
twise
answered
before
,
theeves
,
robbers
,
vnlawfull
ministers
,
dogges
,
swine
etc.
we
do
here
demand
of
him
,
can
any
preach
in
the
office
of
an
angell
purely
,
and
sincerely
who
is
an
apostata
and
hath
for
saken
the
most
holy
fayth
as
H.
A.
in
the
account
of
all
the
Brownistes
hath
done
?
Can
any
administer
purely
who
for
their
schisme
have
bene
deposed
from
their
ministery
continuing
still
in
their
schisme
as
H.
A.
and
this
Del.
have
bene
?
Can
the
seales
of
Gods
covenant
be
administred
purely
&
sincerely
vnto
such
as
are
reiected
as
dogges
&
swine
,
vnto
such
as
William
Clerke
,
Richard
Benet
,
George
Parker
etc.
who
for
their
sin
&
wickednes
are
excommunicated
by
Mr.
Iohnson
&
his
company
&
consequently
esteemed
as
dogges
&
swine
though
yet
reteyned
in
communion
by
Mr.
Ainsworthes
company
which
by
this
meanes
in
the
iudgement
of
the
Brownists
themselves
is
become
a
stye
of
swine
&
one
body
with
excommunicates
?
shall
those
who
by
the
Franciscanes
are
accounted
vnworthy
to
gather
vp
the
crummes
vnder
their
table
,
become
stewards
of
the
house
to
break
the
bread
vnto
the
children
of
the
Ainsworthians
?
shall
those
that
are
iudged
vnworthy
to
heare
the
worde
,
be
allowed
for
prophets
to
preach
the
word
?
Yet
thus
it
is
in
Thomas
Cocky
and
Iohn
Hales
,
who
being
by
Mr.
Iohnson
&
his
company
delivered
vnto
satan
are
yet
set
vp
for
prophets
by
Mr.
Ainsworth
and
his
company
to
draw
men
from
those
snares
of
Satan
wherein
themselves
do
ly
enwrapped
.
41.
AFter
this
he
seekes
to
lay
two
great
sinnes
vpon
Mr.
Brightman
for
charging
them
with
blasphemous
errour
&c.
And
first
,
he
would
shew
him
to
be
a
persecutour
of
the
brethren
&
that
in
these
wordes
;
First
,
Act.
18.
6.
1.
Tim.
1.
20.
Ian.
2.
7.
And
seing
Delescluse
hath
not
proved
Mr.
Brightmans
accusation
to
be
vniust
vpon
them
,
he
can
not
iustly
charge
him
with
persecution
.
Secondly
,
of
the
brethren
so
as
Delescluse
chargeth
him
,
&
so
as
Mr.
Br.
noted
the
angell
of
the
church
of
England
to
be
in
persequuting
their
brethren
that
do
remaine
in
communion
with
them
,
because
the
Brownistes
neither
in
their
owne
account
nor
in
Mr.
Br.
account
are
brethren
,
but
such
as
separate
from
the
fellowship
of
the
faithfull
brethren
.
Thirdly
,
that
he
which
curseth
his
God
and
blasphemeth
the
name
of
the
Lord
shal
be
put
to
death
Lev.
24.
15.
16.
but
besides
this
high
degree
of
blasphemy
,
there
were
many
kindes
of
blasphemy
not
punishable
with
death
by
the
law
:
Every
reproch
,
slander
&
evill
speech
either
of
a
mans
brother
,
or
any
part
of
Gods
truth
may
iustly
according
to
the
scriptures
be
called
blasphemy
as
hath
bene
signified
&
shewed
unto
vs
from
these
places
,
Mat.
15.
19.
Eph.
4.
31.
Tit.
3.
2.
2.
Pet.
2.
12.
Iude
,
10.
And
who
will
say
,
that
all
these
sinnes
were
to
be
punished
with
death
by
the
magistrate
?
Fourthly
,
what
greater
persecution
could
he
put
vpon
those
poore
foules
etc.
for
there
are
divers
kindes
of
death
,
some
are
more
painefull
&
shamefull
then
others
&
some
persons
are
more
to
be
detested
in
death
then
others
;
And
those
that
do
vniustly
lay
vpon
men
the
vilest
death
are
greater
persequutours
then
some
others
that
yet
put
men
to
death
also
:
And
in
speciall
many
of
the
Brownistes
are
greater
persequutours
of
vs
then
Delescluse
dare
yet
for
shame
pretend
against
Mr.
B.
for
divers
of
them
blush
not
to
say
that
we
have
sinned
against
the
holy
ghoste
,
that
no
place
of
repentance
is
left
vnto
vs
and
all
this
for
testifying
against
their
schisme
:
Now
blasphemy
against
the
holy
ghost
being
greater
then
other
blasphemy
,
Matt.
12.
31.
Luk.
12.
10.
It
may
hence
appeare
that
they
are
greater
persequutours
of
vs
,
then
Mr.
Br.
is
of
them
,
seing
in
their
blinde
and
rash
moode
they
charge
vs
with
greater
blasphemy
,
then
Mr.
Br.
doth
them
.
Lalstly
,
a
schisme
and
no
true
church
:
Againe
Mr.
Ainsw
.
&
his
people
do
reiect
Mr.
Iohnsons
company
,
yea
divers
of
the
Ainsworthians
do
affirme
of
the
Franciscanes
,
that
they
are
worse
then
the
worlde
:
If
some
other●
should
thus
speake
of
them
,
they
would
account
them
vncircumcised
Ph●●●nes
,
rayling
on
the
host
of
the
living
God
,
Zophar
the
Naamathite
is
verifyed
vpon
them
:
The
bow
of
steele
striketh
them
through
,
the
arrow
is
drawen
out
&
cometh
forth
of
the
body
&
shineth
of
their
gall
:
The
Gall
of
their
owne
persecution
,
the
arrow
of
their
owne
obiection
woundeth
their
owne
sides
&
is
coloured
with
their
blood
,
so
that
here
we
may
also
apply
vnto
Delesc
.
that
which
Mr.
Ainsworth
once
*
wrote
against
Mr.
Smith
,
Higgaion
Selah
,
42.
THe
second
sin
which
he
layeth
vpon
Mr.
B.
is
this
to
be
a
deceyver
of
the
prince
,
which
he
notes
in
this
particular
for
writing
against
them
:
And
how
he
hath
also
deceyved
the
princes
,
he
and
others
of
his
minde
by
causing
them
to
banish
and
keep
in
banishment
their
most
loyall
and
faithfull
subiectes
.
For
deceyving
the
prince
which
he
obiecteth
,
As
touching
the
causes
of
their
banishment
,
hee
goates
of
the
separation
:
These
by
their
deceitfull
reasons
&
perswasions
have
mislead
&
seduced
many
simple
persons
and
have
sought
out
reasons
of
banishment
and
misery
vnto
many
by
leading
them
vnto
schisme
:
Let
those
that
are
yet
alive
bewaile
their
offence
herein
.
Thirdly
,
seing
the
Brownistes
themselves
do
now
mutually
abandon
one
an
others
company
why
do
they
blame
others
for
doing
such
thinges
as
themselves
do
practise
?
Fourthly
,
Fiftly
,
A
way
of
peace
by
these
themselves
propounded
and
by
the
church
of
Leyden
and
vs
agreed
to
,
these
after
reversed
and
stood
not
vnto
vnlesse
we
would
goe
dwell
out
of
the
city
:
And
although
in
the
treatie
of
the
agreement
,
it
was
testifyed
by
the
elders
of
that
church
,
that
vnlesse
it
were
to
the
apparant
vndoing
of
vs
and
of
our
families
,
we
should
not
be
dismissed
againe
to
dwell
here
:
Yet
because
we
would
not
absolutely
promise
to
leave
this
citie
,
they
would
not
stand
to
the
agreement
which
themselves
had
made
.
Besides
the
accusation
of
falshood
,
&
covenant-breaking
here
noted
,
observe
also
the
cruelty
of
the
Franciscanes
in
seeking
to
banish
the
Ainsworthians
&
to
have
them
out
of
the
citie
(
as
they
complaine
)
though
it
were
to
the
apparant
vndoing
of
them
and
their
families
:
Is
not
this
a
mercilesse
kinde
of
banishment
that
is
sought
by
them
?
do
they
not
herein
take
one
another
by
the
throate
with
their
vnpitifull
handes
?
May
we
not
here
see
the
truth
of
the
wise
mans
saving
;
A
poore
man
if
he
oppresse
the
poore
is
like
a
raging
raine
that
leaveth
no
foode
?
Yea
the
raging
oppression
of
the
Brownistes
tendes
to
their
apparant
overthrow
&
vndoing
even
by
their
owne
confession
.
And
therfore
as
Delescluse
throughout
his
advertisement
doth
draw
his
collections
from
Mr.
Br.
his
wordes
against
the
church
of
England
,
even
so
may
we
〈◊〉
better
reason
condemne
the
Brownistes
out
of
their
〈…〉
Thus
may
we
shoote
with
the
Brownistes
in
thie●
owne
bow
,
&
wound
them
with
their
owne
arrowes
.
Lastly
,
43.
HAving
thus
set
downe
the
sinnes
of
Mr.
B.
he
comes
in
the
next
place
to
set
downe
the
vertues
of
his
owne
schismaticall
flocke
,
in
these
wordes
;
And
indeed
although
I
am
but
a
stranger
vnto
them
and
one
of
an
other
people
,
yet
the
truth
caused
me
to
speak
thus
in
their
behalf
,
that
I
know
not
any
people
at
this
day
vnder
the
sunne
more
loyall
and
faithfull
vnto
their
prince
and
country
,
and
more
zelous
and
religious
towards
God
,
then
they
are
:
First
,
but
a
stranger
vnto
them
and
one
of
an
other
people
;
but
this
is
not
enough
to
excuse
his
flattery
&
boasting
,
for
though
he
be
a
stranger
vnto
them
as
he
is
a
french
man
,
yet
as
he
is
a
Brownist
&
a
schismatique
he
is
one
of
them
,
&
therfore
notwithstanding
his
different
nation
may
be
as
partiall
in
praising
of
them
as
any
other
of
them
&
above
many
of
them
,
in
that
he
is
an
elder
,
a
governour
&
a
prophet
among
them
:
It
had
bene
much
more
for
their
credit
if
some
other
of
their
neighbours
had
praised
them
,
but
this
they
want
being
esteemed
both
of
the
magistrates
&
ministers
of
the
reformed
churches
to
be
a
contentious
sect
;
And
therfore
while
Delescluse
being
incorporate
into
their
schisme
doth
thus
extoll
his
frendes
&
brethren
,
it
may
iustly
be
sayd
vnto
him
:
He
that
praiseth
his
frendes
with
a
loude
voyce
rising
early
in
the
morning
it
shal
be
counted
to
him
as
a
curse
.
Secondly
,
he
knowes
no
people
vnder
the
sunne
more
loyall
etc.
how
vaine
&
foolish
is
this
?
Though
he
know
none
in
the
east
or
west
Indies
more
loyall
then
these
,
this
is
nothing
to
their
praise
because
he
knowes
not
those
nations
at
all
,
nor
many
other
far
nearer
which
are
yet
all
vnder
the
sunne
:
And
thus
this
large
comparison
is
nothing
els
but
the
lowde
noyse
of
an
idle
commendation
.
Thirdly
,
Fourthly
,
44.
BVt
he
proceedes
yet
further
to
amplify
his
commendations
&
prayses
of
the
zeale
and
religion
in
the
Brownistes
which
as
he
sayth
are
seene
in
them
and
among
them
both
privately
and
publiquely
:
Behold
here
the
proude
conceit
that
the
Brownistes
have
of
themselves
without
all
reason
,
full
perswasion
as
he
speakes
of
,
it
is
yet
more
that
he
should
not
be
ashamed
to
vtter
,
yea
&
in
print
to
publish
this
his
arrogant
opinion
,
but
most
of
all
that
his
fellowes
&
his
brethren
should
allow
or
tolerate
in
him
this
strange
dreame
or
vision
of
vanitye
:
for
whereas
the
Lord
in
his
holy
word
hath
noted
vnto
vs
those
honourable
instruments
by
whom
cheefely
Antichriste
is
to
be
overthrowne
,
we
desire
Delescluse
to
shew
vnto
vs
where
the
Brownistes
are
numbred
among
them
:
We
see
in
the
booke
of
the
revelation
that
as
the
Lord
in
sundry
visions
hath
there
declared
vnto
vs
the
speciall
instruments
whereby
Antichriste
was
to
be
exalted
,
so
hath
he
also
in
other
visions
there
described
vnto
vs
those
worthies
and
blessed
instrumentes
by
whom
cheefely
he
is
againe
to
be
cast
downe
:
By
the
consent
of
the
best
and
learnedest
interpreters
there
are
noted
out
vnto
vs
in
the
Apocalyps
divers
estates
both
ecclesiasticall
&
civill
that
have
wounded
Antichriste
,
but
no
interpreter
that
ever
yet
could
finde
the
Brownistes
among
them
:
We
read
of
divers
angelles
fighting
against
Antichriste
,
Rev.
14.
6.
7.
8.
9.
And
these
do
fitly
declare
vnto
vs
such
as
Iohn
Wickleffe
,
Iohn
Husse
,
Hierome
of
Prage
,
Martin
Luther
&
such
like
,
but
where
be
the
angelles
that
may
fiftly
represent
vnto
vs
Robert
Browne
,
H.
Barow
,
Francis
Iohnson
etc.
We
reade
of
divers
that
have
obteyned
sundry
victories
,
conquestes
and
triumphes
against
Antichriste
.
Rev.
11.
15.
16.
and
14.
14.
17.
and
16.
1.
and
17.
16.
For
the
further
vnderstanding
whereof
we
desire
the
reader
to
consider
&
weigh
Mr.
Brightmans
exposition
of
those
places
;
But
where
is
the
lot
and
roome
of
the
Brownistes
?
Were
is
their
atchievement
registred
among
these
cheefe
instruments
of
the
Lord
?
Secondly
,
If
they
continue
faithfull
vnto
the
end
,
whereas
also
Mr.
Iohnson
&
his
followers
doe
now
in
the
account
of
Delescluse
slide
back
from
their
ancient
faith
&
are
already
proved
vnfaithfull
,
Mr.
Robinison
also
halting
betwixt
them
in
some
thinges
,
these
thinges
duely
considred
the
full
perswasion
of
Delescluse
may
quickly
turne
into
a
faint
perswasion
and
his
vaine
confidence
into
a
wan-hope
.
45.
THe
reason
of
his
glorious
perswasion
touching
the
Brownistes
he
setteth
downe
in
these
wordes
:
First
,
purity
of
doctrine
,
they
have
no
groundes
of
pure
doctrine
which
other
churches
of
Christ
round
about
them
have
not
as
well
as
they
,
Why
do
they
exalt
themselves
in
that
which
others
have
as
well
as
they
and
before
them
?
Other
churches
have
this
doctrine
also
in
better
and
more
abundant
maner
then
they
;
H.
A.
I.
Delescluse
,
Thomas
Cocky
,
Iohn
Hales
and
such
like
prophets
do
not
teach
the
pure
doctrine
with
half
that
purity
,
grace
,
power
&
fruite
that
the
ministers
of
other
churches
doe
.
Besides
their
ignorance
,
For
their
glorious
liberty
in
their
publique
administration
the
anabaptists
may
boast
thereof
as
much
as
they
,
For
their
sincere
administration
thereof
against
all
opposition
whatsoever
as
he
boasteth
,
Whereas
he
sayth
that
Anti-christe
cannot
have
any
doore
to
come
in
,
where
those
thinges
by
them
professed
and
practised
have
any
place
,
Ioh.
2.
18.
2.
Thess.
2.
7.
Suppose
the
Romish
Antichriste
have
no
dore
to
come
in
by
among
the
Ainsworthians
,
46.
MOreover
he
addeth
further
in
praise
of
the
Brownistes
:
If
a
stranger
meete
with
this
booke
of
Delescluse
he
may
be
divers
wayes
deceyved
by
him
in
this
deceitfull
speech
:
And
further
againe
if
a
stranger
do
know
that
they
are
rent
a
sunder
,
47.
DRawing
to
an
end
he
seales
vp
his
booke
with
this
prayer
for
the
brownistes
;
In
this
prayer
or
forme
of
prayer
,
Secondly
,
Thirdly
,
their
most
noble
and
wise
prince
:
It
is
the
property
of
true
nobility
to
try
the
spirits
of
men
by
the
scripture
,
as
the
beraeans
did
Act.
17.
11.
If
therfore
he
be
noble
and
most
noble
they
will
not
deny
but
that
he
hath
examined
their
spirits
&
the
scriptures
alledged
by
them
&
presented
vnto
his
maiesty
in
their
petitions
;
&
then
withall
if
he
be
most
wise
how
is
it
that
he
can
not
see
the
mysterie
of
their
separation
having
their
cheefe
reasons
&
proofes
layd
open
before
him
?
Yea
by
the
sentence
of
this
Delesc
.
there
is
nothing
to
be
*
expected
by
him
from
Christe
but
the
powring
out
of
his
aeternall
wrath
vpon
him
,
Fourthly
,
48.
HAsting
to
a
finall
conclusion
he
sayth
;
Mark
here
how
he
paynts
the
face
of
his
separation
,
separation
from
evill
etc.
whereas
indeed
it
is
a
separation
from
that
which
is
good
because
of
some
evill
mixed
therewith
▪
&
a
reiection
of
the
godly
for
the
wicked
sake
which
is
a
thing
most
wicked
,
Gen.
18.
25.
Here
he
will
end
but
it
had
bene
better
for
him
not
to
have
begun
:
He
telles
vs
many
more
thinges
might
be
sayd
touching
separation
,
we
tell
him
also
that
many
more
thinges
may
be
sayd
against
the
same
:
The
iudicious
reader
may
easily
discerne
that
in
all
these
arrowes
which
he
hath
shot
he
hath
still
missed
the
marke
,
his
bow
of
brasse
is
broken
&
all
his
vaine
reasoninges
against
Mr.
Bright
▪
are
turned
vpon
his
owne
head
:
If
he
have
more
thinges
to
say
hereafter
let
him
see
that
they
be
of
more
weight
then
these
.
49.
LAst
of
all
he
addeth
:
Behold
here
a
heape
of
falshood
couched
vp
togather
in
a
few
wordes
for
a
farewell
to
his
reader
:
from
the
beginning
of
the
world
:
Let
him
shew
how
the
church
of
God
before
the
flood
was
established
by
such
a
separation
as
the
Brownistes
have
in
their
writinges
described
vnto
vs
:
we
have
here
his
bare
word
onely
which
is
of
no
credit
,
his
asseveration
here
vsed
by
him
,
viz.
in
deed
in
a
word
is
but
a
word
without
deed
&
without
truth
.
Secondly
,
vnto
this
day
:
And
this
not
onely
in
respect
of
the
church
of
England
which
by
Mr.
Iohnsons
confession
is
a
true
church
though
not
established
by
the
separation
of
the
B●ownistes
,
but
also
in
respect
of
the
dutch
&
french
churches
which
by
the
Brownistes
them selves
are
acknow●ledged
for
true
churches
&
yet
were
not
establis●hed
by
the
separation
in
question
:
Yea
they
do
reiect
&
condemne
the
separation
of
the
Brownistes
as
schisme
:
Do
these
churches
then
practise
and
reteyne
a
separation
without
their
knowledge
,
against
their
willes
&
contrary
to
their
doctrine
?
Or
if
they
do
thus
maintaine
a
separation
not
being
aware
thereof
,
shall
this
vnwitting
&
vnwilling
separation
be
a
true
ground
&
foundation
of
their
church
?
shall
their
ignorant
practise
establish
them
&
iustify
their
estate
?
we
would
faine
know
of
Delescluse
how
these
thinges
can
stand
sound
.
Thirdly
,
and
therfore
this
people
not
to
be
blasphemers
:
Though
a
man
hold
separation
yet
may
he
be
a
blasphemer
in
many
other
respectes
:
For
example
,
Mr.
Smith
holding
the
separation
of
the
Brownistes
was
yet
a
blasphemer
for
that
which
he
wrote
against
the
vse
of
the
translated
&
originall
scriptures
in
the
worship
of
God
.
And
so
Mr.
Ihonson
still
holding
the
separation
is
yet
by
the
Ainsworthians
accounted
a
blasphemer
,
one
that
speakes
evill
of
the
way
of
God
,
in
respect
of
his
new
interpretation
of
Mat.
18.
Delescluse
reasons
here
as
though
there
was
no
blasphemy
but
against
separation
,
how
blindely
&
partially
let
the
reader
iudge
.
Fourthly
,
but
true
worshippers
of
God
:
for
the
former
assertion
touching
separation
is
mainteyned
by
Anabaptistes
yea
&
by
some
of
the
Arrians
,
doth
it
herevpon
follow
that
they
are
true
worshippers
of
God
?
Nothing
lesse
:
Yet
such
is
the
fruit
of
Delescluse
his
reasoning
▪
further
whereas
the
Brownistes
do
acknowledge
the
dutch
&
french
churches
to
be
a
separate
people
&
true
churches
established
by
separation
&
yet
condemne
the
read
prayer
vsed
by
them
as
being
a
false
and
idolatrous
worship
,
it
may
hence
appeare
evidently
that
his
argument
for
proofe
of
their
true
worship
is
very
vaine
and
false
:
He
may
here
see
that
the
truth
of
Gods
worship
doth
not
depend
vpon
separation
.
Prov.
12.
15.
The
way
of
a
foole
is
right
in
his
owne
eyes
:
But
he
that
heareth
counsell
is
wise
.