He [sic] begynneth an interlocucyon, with an argument, betwyxt man and woman & whiche of them could proue to be most excelle[n]t. Debat de l'homme et de la femme. English Alexis, Guillaume, d. 1468? This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A04050 of text S103699 in the English Short Title Catalog (STC 14109). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. This text has not been fully proofread Approx. 13 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 7 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. EarlyPrint Project Evanston,IL, Notre Dame, IN, St. Louis, MO 2018 A04050 STC 14109 ESTC S103699 99839445 99839445 3866 2240887319

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Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A04050) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 3866) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1475-1640 ; 54:11) He [sic] begynneth an interlocucyon, with an argument, betwyxt man and woman & whiche of them could proue to be most excelle[n]t. Debat de l'homme et de la femme. English Alexis, Guillaume, d. 1468? [12] p. W. de Worde, [London : 1525?] Signatures: A⁶. Place of publication and publication date from STC; printer's name from colophon. Woodcut illustration on title page. In verse. Printer's device (McKerrow 19) on verso of A6, final leaf. Translated from "Le debat de l'ōme et de la fēme" by Guillaume Alexis .--STC. Print faded and show-through. Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng Women -- Social conditions -- Early works to 1800. Sex role -- Early works to 1800. eebo He [sic] begynneth an interlocucyon, with an argument, betwyxt man and woman, & whiche of them could proue to be most excelle[n]t. Alexis, Guillaume, 1525 14 2086 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 A This text has no known defects that were recorded as gap elements at the time of transcription. 2006-02 Assigned for keying and markup 2006-02 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2006-03 Sampled and proofread 2006-03 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-04 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion

He begynneth an interlocucyon / with an argument / betwyxt man and woman / & whiche of them could proue to be most excellent .

WHen Phebus reluysant / most ardent was & shene In the hote sommer season / for my solace Vnder the vmbre of a tre / bothe fayre & grene I lay downe to rest me / where in this case . As after ye shall here / a stryfe there began Whiche longe dyd endure / with great argument Bytwyxte the woman / and also the man Whiche of them coulde proue / to be moost excellent . The man . The fyrst whiche I herde : was the man that sayde Adam our forfather / by womans shrewde councell To ete of an apple / was pyteously betrayde Well happy is he / that with you dothe not mell . The woman . Ihesu of a mayden / and vyrgyn his mother Was incarnated / to redeme that man had loste Set thou this one / now agaynst the other And woman is more excellent / in euery coste . The man . No women in to aungels / neuer was transformed But women in to deuyls / full ofte hath ben fygurate For theyr pryde in hell / cruelly to be burned Vnhappy is he / that hath one to his make . The woman . Many aungels to women / haue ben transported More than to men / for theyr chastyte Fyrst our dere lady / th aungell exorted Sayenge the son of god / in her conceyued shold be . The man . Ioseph by woman / was put in pryson And Vrye was slayne / by treason cruell Dauyd an adulterer / with woman was become Well happy is he / that with them doth not mell . The woman . Mankynde to delyuer / out of this worldly payne And brynge hym to the ioye / of the celestyall place God in his mother / toke nature humayne Who dysprayseth women / god sende hym no grace . The man . For woman was slayne / the worthy prynce Amon The loue of them causeth moche dyspleasure By women was dysceyued / the sage Salomon Whiche by the meane of them / false ydols dyd adoure The woman . That woman / is moost replete with grace By good reason / I shall proue playne For god in woman / fyrst toke his place Whan into this worlde / he came certayne . The man . Vyrgyll the sage clerke / of great intellygence Betrayed was by woman / as wryten ye may fynde Trustynge in her grace / in euery mannes presence Was tyed at a wyndowe / tyll men dyd hym vnbynde The woman . God to vs by woman / paradyse hath restored That before was loste / by our great neglygence And aboue all sayntes / hyghly hath honored Mary his mother / woman of moost excellence . The man . Townes haue be destroyed / and cytes many one Dyuers men for women / be dampned depe in hell More ioyfull vnto man / than woman hath be none Well happy is he / that with them doth not mell . The woman . By the meane of Hester / the iudgement was respyted Of Assuerus her husband / for the Iewes all Whiche sholde haue dyed / had nat he delyted In her hye beautye / and wordes peticyonall . The man . Pryam / Paris and Deiphebus Fyrst by th occasyon / of women was slayne Also Troylus / Hector and Helenus And all Troye / hath ben confounded playne . The woman . Iudyth . C. M. men and mo Made for to flye / and yelde in confusyon After that Holefernus heed / she had cut in two Whiche wolde haue dystroyed all the regyon . The man . Women theyr face / and foreheed doth paynt For to deceyue / both yonge and olde The stronge Sampson / Dalyda dyd attaynt And hym betrayed / his heed when she had polde . The woman . Woman is honored / in euery place For quene of erth / and of heuen hye Whiche is petycioner / for mannes trespace To good on theyr soules to haue mercye . The man . Some women can flatter / and moost can lye To optayne mannes loue / they can fayne well They wyll neuer leue it / vntyll they dye Well happy is he / that with them doth not mell . The woman . Woman is called / treasure of grace In heuen our lady / it is full suer For she for mannes soule / doth so purchase That thousandes / she saued by her prayer . The man . Some that hath be taken / for very sage By womans loue / dyd so hym indeuer That for it he solde / all his herytage And after hath he dyed / a myserable begger . The woman . Many hath offyces / and good wages By women to lyue / ryght prosperately Benefyces / and auauntages To mayntayne men / accordyngly . The man . When a yonge pegeon / a woman hath gotyn She wyll make hym / at length as stronge as a crane For surely / she wyll neuer forsake hym Tyll that his croper bone wax very lame The woman . Then loke a cawdell / you do gyt And soone ye loke you / a better norce For I harde say / god gaue man wyt To knowe the better / from the worse . The man Women wyll speke / and contrary say They wyll nat shame / a lye to tell To scolde and brawle / is all theyr play Well happy is he / that with them doth not mell . The woman . The commynge / of our lorde Ihesu Many deuout woman / dyd prophecye Sybellys they were / that it best knewe For to dysprayse women / ye do now vnwyslye . The man . One must them gyue / that they desyre To bete or correcte them / they waxen worse They neuer wyll stynt / for to requyre As longe as a peny / is in ones purse . The woman . When all thappostles / from our lorde flyed Women tyll his deth / styll dyd hym ensue Neuer woman / our lorde denyed As Peter dyd / but euer was true . The man . When ye of ony man / knowe the intencyon Whiche coulde be secrete / ye publysshe it by and by Vnto your gosseppys / ye make therof mencyon As soone as ye togyther byb / charryng lyke a pye . The woman . Chryste after his deth / for our consolacyon Fyrst shewed / vnto woman personally To Mary magdaleyn / after his resurreccyon Whiche for his deth / be wayled greuously . The man . A Wyfe of her husbande / Wyll haue the audyence As chyef maystres / her tale to tell She wyll crye & wepe / except she haue the preemynece Wyll happy is he / that with them doth not mell . The woman . That a man shold a woman / or his wyfe byleue By Abraham / is sygnyfyed playne For god vnto Sara / fyrst knowlege dyd gyue That a chyld shold be procreat : bytwyxt them twayne The man . Many cauteloustrastes / now women they haue To make them proper / and coynte to seme For proude apparell / euer styll they craue Yet be they moost stynkynge / and fylthy within . The woman . Of good women / haue be founde many one Whiche haue ben chast / and holy vyrgyns pure And that out of goddes lawes / neuer hath gone Wherfore in heuen / now sayntys be they sure . The man . But now of euyll / there be so many Theyr kynde encreaseth / styll euery day From euyl in to worse / so fast they multyplye That wolde the deuyll : had one to cary thother away The woman . One vyrgyn another for goddis loue hath martyred By compulsyon of man / as scrypture hath exprest That in a day .xi. thousand dyed Wherfore to dysprayse women / ye do not best . The man . Consyderyng the euyll / which of women haue com How false they be / how cursed and cruell One ought to flye them / and from them to ronne For well happy is he / that with them doth not mell The woman . All the nobles / of cyme passed And all the sayntes / of paradyse Fyrst all from women / they haue proceded For to dysprayse women / in fayth ye be not wyse . The man . Do weye your blame / and laude in balaunce To se of them / whiche twayne weye moste And when that ye se / there the dyfferaunce I trowe of your laude / ye wyll make small boste . The woman . For all the blames / and offence That agaynst vs women / ye can laye Consyder the bounte / of our ladyes excellence And all our euylles / her goodnes dothe delaye . La femme replique . Now the conclusyon / the woman thus began These infamous men / with all theyr polecy All noble women / wolde gladly defame Were not our goodnes / excedynge theyr glory . For Caym kylled Abell / his gentyll brother And Iudas / Ruben his father dyd slay Nero made open / his owne mother To se the place / where that he lay The men of Iury / made god to dye Iudas scaryot hym solde / by false treason And after hym selfe hanged / this is no lye Wherfore styll in payne / his soule it doth won . Chrystes Apostles / dyd hym denye Men dyd hym crucefye / by great vyolence And tyrans enraged / dyspyte fullye Ten thousande / slewe of Innocence . Also in a day / they dyd confounde A .xi. thousande vyrgyns / vnto theyr deth Some they heedyd / and some they drownde Some they smolthered / and stopped theyr breth . Men they had / peruerse courage As ye may se / now euydently To do vnto sayntes / suche oultrage Without offence / and no cause why . Men make warres / and dyscencyons In euery place / as ye may se Theftes / mordres / and traysons Replete with all / iniquyte . More men / there be in pryson In chaynes bounde / for theyr offence More women / come vnto sermon To lerne goddys lawes / with dylygence . Of euery man / in all degre Mother and norces / women hath ben Of all that are / and euer shal be Women haue fyrst th autorite clen . Wherfore of vs / ye ought say well For to myssay / ye can not wyn And ye that hath no grace / goodnes to tell To holde his peace / is best for hym . Do ye say / of vs the best Syns we ye kept / When ye were small For of lytell medlynge / cometh moche rest And god amende / the worst of vs all . The auctor . Of this argument / the hole entent I marked it / effectually And after I had herde / them at this discent I presed towardes them / incontynently But when they sawe me / aproche them to Lest I wolde repreue / theyr argument Full fast they fledde / then bothe me fro That I ne wyst / whyther they went Wherfore now to iudge / whiche is moost excellent I admyt it / vnto this reders prudence Whyther to man or woman / is more conuenyent The laude to be gyuen / and wordly magnyfycence . Finis .

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