Of which their wonderfull faire perswasion after that the brethren had made an end ; the Lords the Delegates of Garmany not long meditating , at last doe answer thus . Neither doe they dissemble that they also are stirred and heated with that same vntimely heat . We haue beene very attentiue to your request ( o Fathers ) : Also we haue attentiuely heard ( as is fitting ) your causes and reasons , prouoking vs to prouide you settled places amongst vs , which truely haue beene acceptable to vs . Wee would that our answere to you be plaine and without colour . For that you extoll our beautifull Country , Germany , with all kind of prayses , we doe take it acceptably : onely this wee dislike , that you desire to rest with vs in this bosome which is proper and belonging to ours . And truely we do very much wonder , that you do not seeke out and desire other places fuller of our miracles . For although the ayre might be most dangerous in Italy , by your saying , perhaps it might bee more temperate in Spaine , where there be more of your companies ; and more of your brethren . Yea there you haue your Mecanas himselfe , who as a Minerua doth preserue you on water , and as an Vlisses doth defend you being in danger of life .

Doe you say that the iourney into India is too long ? It is shorter into France , where ( if your apology may bee beleeued ) your companions are of late preferred with new priuiledges . If you haue there so good opportunities , why doe you striue to forgoe them ? Doe you say it will be good for vs , hurtfull to you , to profit vs by your piety and information in our studies ? It is not expedient for you ( ô Fathers ) if yee determine any thing to bee done of you in our right . And if we be not deceiued , Germany hath more certaine assertions of liberty to thinke well , then Trecensis heretofore in France ( which is commonly called Troy . )

But we doe exceedingly maruell what the cause should be , why in so short a time ye should bee cast out of so many stately common-wealths and Kingdomes ? Truely all their fields are large bookes , which we cannot thrust vpon you by turning them , but for conference sake onely shew them as true to the whole world , and of you as yet not refuted We desire that some of you would behold your acts done in England : Certainly the acts of Garnet and of all of you would breath out some other thing then Innocency : namely , treason , and innouation , of which you were all guilty .

This one thing you obiect , ( ô Fathers ) but know this , a deepe wound retaines a scarce : Yee did not bid farewell to the Venetians against your wills ; but perhaps vnconstrained .

You had neuer gone away by the decree of the Venetian Lords , had not the commandement of Paul the fifth Pope caused you , to whom being the head of the Church , you yeelded all humble obedience with due obseruance : and in this intermission from Religion you adored his Surplice : So obedience alone is the vertue which worketh the other vertues in the minde : and what were it of ye should call him Lord , Lord , and would not doe what he saith ? Ah how impatient were the Venetian Lords of your departure ? How willingly would they haue detained you longer , if good words , honours , if moreouer new priuiledges could haue preuailed any thing .

But in sayling we must giue eare to our Pilot , in warre to our Captaine : So that fidelity due to the Pope by the Venetian title hath made you wretched men banished . It is written : He that beleeueth shall be saued .

We now talke alone ( ô Fathers Iesuits ) and are weakned : we could wish that a Venetian were here who might affirme these things .

We do adde nothing heere but what your selues had in your Apology : that the will of God may be done , who is the King of Kings , and Lord of Lords ; from whom as you expect saluation , so also expect iust iudgement . We do willingly passe ouer with silence the Belgicke fame , declaring what reproachfull things , contentions and wicked deeds you haue there committed : If in others there bee any disgrace and wickednesse , in you it is prayse and comelinesse ( as it is in your Apology . )

We know not what to say , onely this wee hold , that God liueth , who causeth his Sunne to shine vpon the good and bad , and raineth vpon the iust and vniust , and will reward euery one according to his workes : We do also willingly passe ouer , why wee saw your honest company banished out of France for their faults : wee are full of writings to this purpose .

In briefe , ye are accused of treason and slaughter intended against Kings : whose life and blood how you laid in waite for , would haue beene manifest ( more cleare then the noon day ) had not that same Carmelitane worke couered it vpon your Martyrs . Hereupon a Catholike within these three yeares ( if I be not deceiued ) obiected fairly vnto you that you teach and write commonly , that any man of what condition soeuer hee bee , may and ought to kill or slay a King ( suppose any King you will ) for a certaine stipend or pension of mony , if hee bee a Tyrant , or disobedient to your will and sayings .

This is your practise whereby you preuaile much with bad men : whereupon you deseruedly worship Henry Garnet , as a Martyr for that his wicked and sauage deed , who for it was executed in England .

Wee ingeniously confesse that which is proper to all Garmans , that our Gallowes , Iibbets , prisons and all instruments of torture , are full of such Martyrs .

Let vs not cherish a thought of the feyned and lying miracles of such most false martyrs . We do euen tremble ( as God shall help vs ) that the Catholique religion should couer such Barbarous , Sauage , and most diuellish facts ; and that it can call and worship such wicked and filthy men as Saints . So much euill was religion able to perswade . Neither were the winds the cause of their expulsion out of those most famous Cities of Hungary , and Bohemia , ( we will not speake of Polonia , and Swetia : ) These things shall neuer be forgotten , so long as that winged charriot of Fame shall passe through countries and ages . Yea haue beene shunners of peace and concord : yea haue brought in dissensions , braules , and treacheries into these kingdomes . All these you doe vnder colour of religion ; as that your practise wrought by most fraudulent wiles , and most wicked attempts doth witnesse . This is it by which you wring your selues into high places ; you flatter the eares of the chiefest men ; being most skilfull in that matter : And so you couer your indirect going and sitting amongst these Peeres with the mantle of religion and piety ( with a mischiefe . ) We also vnderstand ( ô fathers vnlesse you haue some other religion then the Catholike ) that you also , after your manner doe attempt the same : iust after the manner of Sorceresses ; which while they can doe no harme to others , doe hurt themselues .

Amongst these excellent Estates of Common-wealths , you bring in also an innouation : where those same good Catholiques are Atheists , Libertines , and simple men , they are commonly called : yee doe all for this end , that treacheries and brawlings might be brought in , whereby you might fish in safety for your company . And truly , not the Bohemians , and Hungarians onely , but euen your Catholikes , from elsewhere doe obiect the fame things vnto you . Where we certainly suppose this to be in the better part of you ; grant vs ô Lord to speake forth peace in our times : All the turmoiles which you cause ( your accusers alleadge ) are made for religions sake ( vnder this colour you affect your monarchy amongst the Catholikes ; ) yet notwithstanding they must not be said to be vndertaken of the professors of the Gospell at any time , for the cause of religion : O misery ; we suffer not our cisterns to be drawne for all , whom we vnderstand you runne into .

For to what end is that plenty ? But aboue all we set before vs the present estate onely of the Bohemians . The seducers of the common people , say , that here is no talking of religion : ô blindnesse ! Let them beleeue that will ; they shall finde to their owne cost , that religion is our beginning , middest , and end : by which all things done , or to be done , are ruled ; or rather in which they are all contained , your following , seuere , and harsh proceedings with Clostargrab and Braunaro shall afford you one liuely example of sixe hundred .

Hereupon the Emperour Matthias wrote very precisely in his late letters to the Earle of Bucquoy ; Thou shalt deserue excellently well of vs , of out Princely house , of religion , and of the Common-weale ; if thou wouldest admit of this religion , ô Bohemia , and wouldest entertaine friendship with the Iesuites , thou couldest not haue warre : The Pope would blesse thee ; the Spaniard would salute thee , and all the whole Clergy would visite thee . But all these things ô Fathers , are vaine ; vnlesse more weighty matters be behind . For yee proclaime and condemne all for Heretiks , which doe not obey the Romane Church , and yee teach openly that no credit is to be giuen to them . In the meane time yee stirre vp the Peeres of this Realme one against another by your diuers waies and deuises : yee sow discord betweene the magistrates and the subiects ; and by your vnspeakeable subtilty yee cause variances in this Empire . By which your deceiptfull stratagem yee haue shewed your companions to be most deceiptfull ; that your promises are esteemed as rotten nuts ; yea a rusticke honesty is better than this your learned malice .

You promise all things vpon oath , but in the end you keepe none . And good reason : for what religion doth bind them to the law , whom their owne religion and the Popes Bull doe free from all bonds of Law ? You make a politike mixture of those things which belong to the honour of God and his word , by saying ; As though conscience were not so much to bee kept in politicke matters . Doe not we know these things ( good men ) we do altogether thinke with him , That there is no greater deceipt in all iniustice then is in them , who then , when they most deceiue , doe it , that they may seeme to be good men . And truly , they seeme most strange to vs enquiring , why faith amongst the Iesuits should want followers : Afterward it was told vs that it was prouided amongst you long agoe by a speciall edict , that any man may prouide for other good men by his last will ; that faith cannot be said hereditary . All the true professours of the Gospell in the Sacred Romane Empire shall for euer endanger their liues and safety vnlesse they be carefull , prouident , and watchfull in these and such like matters . Good God , was it possible that these things should come to our cares ?

Beleeue it ( ô Fathers ) euen your instruments and meanes by which you doe these things ; much more your wicked deeds themselues are knowne to vs .

You haue Sermons ; this is a great matter ; which like a canker spread abroad : by which also you ayme at the end of the Oratour , which is , to perswade , and draw others into his owne opinion . To these are added your actions and most strange variations in your behauiours and carriages , by which you allure the wayward common people ; which do become the seller of victuals a iuggler or baud , beter then they become a Pulpet . As the Trecensian iudgement in France is of Father Binet .

Neither haue you Sermons onely ( ô Fathers ) but confessions also , this is greater : by these the condition of euery priuate house , and of the goodmen of the houses , the secrets of the whole common-wealth or Kingdome , where you liue ; yea the secrets of the Romane Empire and their neighbours are knowne to you . By these ( we say againe ) you deseruedly domineere ouer the consciences of men , and by compelling whom you will to vnlawfull things , you moderate all things by your owne reason : because it is written : Whose sinnes you shall remit , they are remitted ; and whose sinnes you retaine , they are retained .

By this place iniust contracts are made with you , commandements , or wicked and turbulent counsailes are inioyned with a gentle buzzing , things iniustly gotten are kept still : loues and vnlawfull mariages are not onely not broken off , but oftentimes are contracted : In a word , the court is kept here .

To these truely ( that I may speake with you ) penetent men may bee compelled by the priest . For neither was power granted in vaine to the Apostles and their successors by Christ , as well to binde as to loose .

Lastly , ( ô Fathers ) this is your chiefest deuice : you haue two sorts of disciples here ; all for your owne vse and profit : one of them , murtherers of heretique Kings and Peeres , as you call them . whom you neuer cease to incense and animate with all diligence and care , as also with promises of getting perpetuall glory , and of escaping Purgatory . Who can here resist so many armed men ?