How we were once agreed .

AFter that w. Tyndale had putforth in prynt and thrusted his vncharitable pystle into many mennis handis / his frendis & myne vnderstanding that I had prepared my defence to pourge and clere my name whyche he had defamed & defiled / called vs togither to moue vs to a concorde & peace / where I shewed them my grete greif & sorowe / for that he shulde so falsely belye & sclaunder me of syche crymes which I neuer thought / spake / nor wrote / and of siche which I knowe wel his owne conscience doth testifye the contrarie / euen that I denied the Resurreccion of the bodie / but beleue it as constantly as himself : & this with other haynous crymes whiche he impingeth vnto me ●n his pistle / nether he nor no man els shall neuer proue : wherfore except Tin . ( sayd I ) wil reuoke the sclaunders fayned vpon me hymself / I wyl ( as I am bounde ) defende my fame & name / whiche there is nothyng to me more dere & leif And to be shorte aftir many wordis : It was thus thorowe the mocion of our frendis concluded for our agrement & peace : ¶ The condycions of oure agrement . That I shulde for my parte ( a reason and rekenyng firste geuen why I translated this worde Resurrectio into the lyfe after this ) permyt & leaue my translacion vnto the iugement of the lerned in christis chirche . And T. on his parte shuld cal agein his pistle into his hand / so to redresse it / reforme it / & correcke it from siche sclaunderous lyes as I was therwith offended & he coude not iustifye them / that I shulde be therwith wel contented / T. addyng with hys own mouthe that we shulde with one accorde in his next testament then in printing in the stede of this vncharitable pistle wherwith I was offended / salute the reders with one comon salutacion to testifye our concorde : of these condicions we departed louyngly . Then after .v. or .vj. dayes I came to Tin. to se the correccion and reformacion of hys pistle / & he sayd he neuer thought of it sence / I prayd him to make yt redy shortely ( for I longed sore to se it ) and came agene to him after .v. or vj. dayes . Then he sayd it was so wryten that I coude not rede it : & I sayd I was wel aquainted with his hande & shulde rede it wel ynough : but he wolde not let me se it . ¶ Tindal first breaketh hys promyse . I came agene the thirde tyme desyring him to se it / but then had he bethought him of this cauyllacion contrary to the condicions of our agrement / that he wolde firste se my reasons & wryte agenst them ere I shulde se this his reformacion & reuocacion . Then thought I / syth my parte and reasons be put into the iugement of the lerned / T. ought not to write agenst them tyl their iugement be done / no nor yet then nether / syth he is content before these men to stonde to their iugement / & not to contende any more of thys mater withe me . yet I came agene the fourthe tyme / and to be shorte : he persisted in his laste purpose and wolde fyrst se my reasons & wryte agenst them and then leaue the mater to the iugement of Doctour Barnes and of his felowe called Hijpinus pastour of . s. nicholas parisshe in Hābourg / adding that he wolde reuoke that euer he wrote that I shulde denye the resurreccion . Then I tolde one of the men that was present at the condicions of our agrement all this mater : and wrote vnto the other these answers that I had : so ofte seking vpon T. to be at peace and to stande to hys promyse / desyering them al to moue him & aduyse him to holde his promyse / or els / if he wolde not / them not to blame me thoughe I defende my selfe & clere my fame whiche he hath thus falsely & vncharitably denigrated / deformed / & hurte . But in conclusion I perceyued that T. was half ashamed to reuoke according to his promyse al that he coude not iustifye by me / and with whiche I was so offended . wherfore sythe he wolde not kepe promyse / I am compelled to answere here now for my selfe : which I desier euery indifferent reder to iuge indifferently .

Tindals opinion of the soules departed .

And now first of all / because thou shalt se more clerely ( good reder ) what moued T. thus to belye me : to rage & rayle vpon me / & what is T. opinion & doctrine as concerning the state of the soulis departed / and also that he affirmed it constantly & defended the same vnto my face when I resoned agenst him more then once or twyse and proued him the contrary by the scriptures : mouyng him to reuoke his errour ( which doctryne to confute & put it oute of some mennis headis / my conscience compelled of the truthe of goddis worde caused me to englysshe thys worde Resurrectio the lyfe aftir this ) haue here his own wordis in his answere to . m. Moris seconde boke .

And when M. More proueth that the saintis be in heuen in glory with christe alredy sayng . More . lxxij . leif the seconde syde . If god be their God / they be in heuen : for he is not the God of the deade .

Here saith Tind . that More stealeth awaye christis argument where with he proueth the Resurreccion / that Abraham & all sayntis shuld ryse again & not that their soulis were in heuen : Tindal which doctrine was not yet in the worlde / and with that doctryne he taketh awaye the resurreccion quyte and maketh Christis argument of none effecte . For when christe allegeth the scripture that god is the God of Abraham / and addeth to that god is not the god of the dead / but of the lyuing : and so proueth that Abraham muste ryse agayne / I denye christis argument . & cetera .

The confutacion of Tindals opinion .

Ioye . Here is it manifest that T. vnderstondeth not this place of scripture / nether knoweth whother cristis argument tendeth / nor yet the Saduceis opinion : ¶ The confutacion of Tyndals opinion . and therfore no meruel though he geueth not this worde Resurrectio ther his proper significacion / of which ignorance this his errour springeth God so suffring vs to fal standing to miche in our own cōsaightꝭ / thynking our self so highly lerned / & to translate & write al thinges so exqsitely and perfaitly that no man is able ether to do it better or to correck our workis : ¶ Tindals argument . whose argument is this . If the soulis of the faithful were in heuen / there shulde be no resurreccion of their bodies / whiche inconvenience to avoide / he laith them down to slepe out of heuen as do the Anabaptists tyl domes daye / but here I meruell that Tin. is so sclenderly lerned in the forme of arguyng that he se not howe his antecedence may be true & consequence false : ¶ Thana baptistys opinion off the soulis departed . seyng that the contrary of his consequence is necessary / that is to weit / there shal be the resurreccion of the flesshe : 1. corinthio . 15 Paule thus prouing it . If Christ be preached to haue rysen / how happeneth that some of you saie thee is no resurreccion ? Tyndals argument is proued false . As who shuld thus argew / Christe our head is rysen : wherfore yt must nedes folowe that his bodye which is his chirche shall ryse ageyn . For wherfore shuld the beyng in heuen of the soulis of Peter & Paule & of all saintis / let the resurreccion of their bodies more then the being in heuen of Christis soule those iij. dayes did let his resurreccion ? Tin. wil saye : They be al redy in ioye / and therfore there nedeth no resurreccion . And I saye / so was christis spirit & yet he rose agayn . And I denye T. argument / For were they in neuer so greate ioye / yet must their bodies ryse agayn / or els he wil make christe a lyer & his doctryne false . Mat. 5 Heuen & erthe shal soner passe away then one iote of god dis worde shal passe vnfulfilled . The verite hath sayd it and wryten it / concluding that our bodies shal ryse agein : wherfore ther can no condicionall ancedence of T. nor yet of any angel in heuen make this conclusion false .

But let vs examen the text / & se the Saduceis opinion / vnto the whyche Christe answereth so directly and so confuteth yt vtterly . The Saduceis / as wryteth that aunciaunt historiograph Iosephus beinge himself a iew / in his .xviij. boke the .ij. ca. sayd that the soule of man was mortal and dyed with the bodie : The Saduceis opinion . acto . 23 and Paule confirming the same to be their opinion / addeth that thei said ther were nether spirits nor angels : ¶ Paule declareth the saduceis opinion . so that to saye there is nether spirit / ( spirit properly is the soule departed ) nor aungel / is as miche to saye as the soule is mortall / & no lyfe to be aftir this : and the Saduceis in denying the lyfe aftir this / denied by the same denye but onely those two : that is / bothe spirit and angell : for if they had denyed by that worde Resurrectio the generall Resurrection to in that place / so had thei denied thre distincte thingis : but Paule addyng / Pharisei autem vtraque confitentur / but the pharises graunt them bothe two / declareth manifestly that thei denyed but onely two thingis that is to saye bothe spirit & angell : for aftir this present life tyl domes daye there is no lyfe of eny creature but of these two creatures spirits & aungels . And if by this worde Resurrectio Paule had vnderstonden as T. doth the resurrection of the flesshe / he wolde not haue sayd / the pharyses graunt them bothe / but all thre . For this worde vtraque as euery latyne man knoweth / is spoken but of two thingis only : but as for this my mynde I leaue it vnto the iugement of the lerned . And nowe shall I proue yt by christis owne answer / that the Saduceis in those places of Math. Mark . & Luke / denied that there is any lyfe aftir this : mat. 22 mar. 12 luc. 20. and so nether to be spirit nor angel / whiche is as miche to saye as towching the soule / it to be mortall . For yf it shuld lyue aftir the departing / thei thought to haue had taken christe in this trappe with their question of those .vij. brethren / that they now being all a lyue aftir their dethe / shuld haue al seuen togither that one wyfe at once : for thei sayd that al these .vij. had hir here . But christe answerde them directly accordyng to their opinion : and not aftir Tin. opinion of this worde resurrectio / telling them that thei erred being ignorant of the scriptures and also of the power of god / whiche powr christe declareth to consist in the p̄seruing the dead a lyue / for because out of god the father and christe the sone / being that vere lyfe / all lyfe floweth / ye & that into the dead : id . 5.12 1. ioan . 5 whiche power to confirme into the confutacion of their opinion & their own confusion : he alleged these scriptures exodi .iij. But first he tolde them of the present state of the soulis departed / saynge that in the tother lyfe aftir this they nether marye / nor ar maried / but thei ar as the aungels of god in heuen . Tindal In his exposition of . S. Ihon Pystle . And yet saith Tindal this doctryne was not then in the worlde / & what is done with the soulis departed / the scripture make no mencion / but it is a secrete ( saith he ) layd vp in gods tresury . Ioye . It is verely a depe secrete to him that is ignorant so many playne scriptures whiche I shall here aftir brynge in prouyng their state in heuen . Here is also to be noted that christe in describing their present state / saith in the present tence . Thei mary not nor ar maryed / but ar lyke aungels / ye egall vnto aungels / & the sonnes of god saith Luke cap. xx . But yet yf Tindal wyll saye that the present tence is here taken for the future / & playe boo pepe withe the tencis as he englissheth resuscitātur shal ryse agen / & not are reuiued or resuscited / yet must I aske hym whether that the children of that lyfe & worthy that worlde ( as Luke calleth them ) be not now more lyke aungels then they shal be aftir the resurreccion of their bodies ? mar . 12 luc. 20. me thinketh that in thys poynt / that they nether marye nor are maryed : aungels and the spirits be now bothe a lyke : and the chyldren of the lyfe or the worlde where now the blessed lyue with Christe / are now more lyke aungels then they shal be aftir the resurrection of their bodyes / for now they ar substances incorporal / immortal / & intellectuall / and so be aungels : but then they shal be bodely substances hauyng very flesshe and bones which the aungels neuer had nor neuer shall haue .

The text is declared .

But nowe let vs heare the scryptures wherwith christe confuteth their opinion & proueth the same thynge that the saduceis denyed . The text is her expended . Crist considering what thing thei denied / sayd vnto them . De resurrectione vero mortuorum / non legistis qd vobis dictum est a deo / qui ait . Ego sum deus Abraham . &c That is to saye . As concernyng the lyfe of them that be dead haue ye not red what is tolde you of god saying : I am the God of Abraham / the god of Isaac / and the god of Iacob : God is not the God of the deade / but of the lyuinge . By this argument : god is the god of the lyuing & not of the dead : God is the god of Abraham Isaac & Iacob ergo Abraham Isaac and Iacob are a lyue : christe concludeth planely / nothing els but that there is a lyfe aftir this whereyn the soulis departed lyue / whiche conclusion sith it is directly made ageynst the Saduces opinion / it must nedis folow that thei denyed in this place that thinge whiche christe proued / for christe was not so vncircumspecte to proue one thing / they denying another / orels they myght haue well obiected saying : Syr what is this answere to our question ? we aske the whose wyfe shall she be at the general resurreccion of their bodyes ? and thou answerest vs nothyng els nor prouest vs any thing els with this scripture but that there is a lyf after this wheryn the soulis departed nowe lyue : & so to be both spirits & angels for that thei be lyke aungels : If the Saduces here had denyed cheifely & principally / by that worde Resurrectio the generall resurreccion / criste wolde haue proued it then by scriptures / as well as he here proued them the lyfe of spirits separated from their bodyes / & christe rendering the cause of his argument to confirme the same & to declare the powr of god in so p̄seruing the dead a lyue saith Omnes em̄ illi viuunt / all men lyue in him / or by hym . luc. 20. Also it is to be noted diligently how that saynt Marke for the inducyng of that autorite of Moses / setteth before the thing that yt proueth in these wordis saying . mar . 12 Ceterum de mortuis ꝙ resuscitant non legistis in libro Mosi . &c. that is to saye . But as touching the dead / that thei ar resuscited or they ar all redy alyue ( he saith not that they shal be alyue or shall ryse agayne as T. in hys diligent last correccion turneth the presentence into the future : and the verbe passiue into a neuter to stablissh his errour thus corrupting the text . And lyke wyse he plaith with the verbe in Luke & in Marke he englissheth the verbe of the pretertence resurrexerint / for the future . So fayne wolde he wrest the wordis from their natyue sence to serue for hys errour ) haue ye not red in exodo what Moses saith & c ? so that he induceth the autorite to proue that they ar a lyue / & nothing lesse then to proue the resurreccion of the flesshe . I wounder wherfore T. flitteth from the text in these places . Here maye euery man se / that thꝭ worde Resurrectio in this place / as in dyuerse other places of scripture is taken for the lyfe aftir this wheryn the soules now lyue tyl the resurreccion of their bodies as testifyeth Ioan : Resurrectio hath two significations apo. 20 And Tin. not knowyng this significacion or not willing to se it / is gretely to blame to write & so belye & sclaunder me sayng : That for because I thus geuing the worde in his place his very signification / I do denye the resurreccion of the slesshe : which I neuer doubted of but beleue it as constantly as he / I haue p̄ached & taught it / & so interpreted it where it so signifyeth & confesse it openly as euery man maye se that read my workis / & as Tindals own conscience testifyeth the same . For thoughe this place proueth not directly the resurreccion of the bodies yet are there many places moo that proue it clerely : as doth all the .xv. chapter of the first Pystle to the Corin. where I englisshe it Resurreccion / & in the article of our Credo : but in Iohn / and in the .xj. cap. to the Hebrwes where the worde signifyeth the lyfe of the spirits departed / there I englissh it as the very worde signifyeth to put the reder out of doubt & to make it clere lest he be seduced & erre with Tind . beleuyng that the soulis slepe out of heuen : when sleape in scripture is properly and onely vnderstanden of the bodye which shal be awaked and ryse ageyne .

A rekeninge is gyuen of my translation .

For I did translate thys worde Resurrectio in to the lyfe aftir thys / in certayne placis / for these two causes principally . For two causes is this worde Resurrectio so translated . First because the latyn worde / besidis that it signifieth in other places the Resurreccion of the bodye / yet in these it signifieth the lyfe of the spirits or soulis departed as christis answere vnto the Saduceis / and Iohn declare . mat. 22 apo. 10 Secondaryly / because that agenst the Anabaptistis false opinion / & agenst their errour whom Erasmus reproueth in hys exposicion of the Credo which saye the resurreccion of the soules to be this : that is to weet / when thei shal be called out of their preuey lurking places / in whiche they had ben hyd from the tyme of their departyng vnto the resurreccion of their bodies / because ( I saye ) that agenste these erroneouse opinions / these places thus truely translated make so myche and so planely / that at thys worde Resurrectio the lyfe of the spiritis aftir this / their false opinion falleth & is vtterly condempned .

The confutacion of Tindals opinion .

Here it is 〈◊〉 to the grunde of our cause Surgo to ryse . Maneo to abyde or endure . And if Tin. wolde loke beter vpon his booke & folow not so miche his owne witte / he shulde fynde that the hebrew worde which comonly is translated into this vbe Surgo / the same some tyme saynt Ierome translated into Maneo / as in Isaye . Verbum dni manet in eternum / The worde of the Lorde endureth for euer / some tyme into theise vbis sto / or consto / as Isaye xlvj . And some tyme into theis vbis Pono / constituo / excito / facio stare in vita / vel seruo in vita as in exo. cap. ix . of Pharao . Et ꝓfecto ideo posui te / vl excitauite / seruaui te in vita / vel feci te stare / superstitem te volui esse plagis meis : vt ostendam in te fortitudinem mean &c. that is to saye : Doutlesse or verely for this cause yet haue I set and constitute the or stered the vp / preserued the alyue to receyue my plages to declare my strength vpon the and to shewe that my name myght be knowne thorowte all the worlde : of the which verbe there cometh Surrectio & so Resurrectio whose rote & original sith it hath these so many dyuerse significacions / it must nedis folow that the nowne diriuyed oute therof haue as many / & so to signifye that permanent & verye lyfe or the preseruing of them styll a lyue / which significacion agreeth in all these placis of these thre euangelistis / for thei all tel one & the same storye . Resurrectio hath mo significations then one . If T. will englisshe thys verbe Resurgo euery where to ryse agayne in bodye / so shal he translate it falsely / corruppe the text & bringe the reder into no small errour / as once did one preacher in a sermon / expownyng this verse of the first psalm . Ideo non resurgent impij in iudicio &c. englysshing yt thus : wherfore the vngodly shal not ryse agayn in the iugement . wherat many were offended & astonied / & some beleued that the vngodly shulde not ryse agen at the generall iugement . which worde in that place Philip me lanchton / Martyne Bucere / Conradus Pellicanus / zwinglius / Campensis / ( men of greter knowleg / higher lerning / and more excellent iugement in holy scripture / in the hebrew / greke & latyne then Tindal is or euer lykely to be ) translate it into these verbis : consistunt / constant / perstant / durant / viuunt : redering the vse thus . Ideo non constant non consistunt non durant / or non viuunt impij in iudicio &c. that is to saye the vngodlye abyde not / nor endure / nor lyue in the company of the iust at the iugement : whether it be in the generall or particlare iugement of euery soule departed : as Rabbi Kimhy cyted of Bucere vpon that same verse taketh Iudicium in that place : Also Bartholomeus Vesthemerus gathering out of the lerned mennis workis / in hys boke entitled Collectanea communium troporum / the dyuerse significacions of wordis / & the comon phrasis in the scripture : declareth in the .iij. c. leif / in how many places thꝭ worde Resurrectio is taken for the ferme permanent lyfe of the soulis now departed : And Hērichus Bullyngerus / a man of grete lerning & greter iugement both in the scriptures & the tongues consenteth with me in the significacion of this worde Resurrectio in these placis . Many wordis in dyuerse places of the scripture haue diuerse / ye some contrari significacions : which thyng if it be not diligently obserued of the translatour translatinge one for a nother / he may sone erre & corrupt the text into the grete perel of the reder . I am sure that T. wil not euery where englisshe this worde Bn̄dico a lyke / as to blesse : for in some placis it signifieth to curse / nor yet englesshe pctm̄ synne / for in some placis it signifieth the cowe or calfe offred vp for synne / & so the selfe sacrifice offred vp for the synne / & the expiacion & clensing or purgacion from synne / as is christe hymselfe so called . But here wil Tin. let grete scorne that I being so vnlerned in the hebrewe and other tongues ( as I am in very dede ) shuld take vpon me to poynt him to this marke whyche ether of ignorance he sawe not / or els of a selfe wyll and froward mynde wolde not se yt .

Furthermore he findeth himself sore aggreued for that I haue so englysshed this worde Resurrectio in the .xj. chap. to the hebrews in thys place . heb. 11 Some men were racked / & yet refused they to be redemed or delyuered / to th entent they might haue potiorem resurrectionem / saith the text : which T. englissheth a beter resurreccion : where it is playn that he englissheth it falsely / for sith he taketh here Resurreccion for the resurreccion of the flesshe : & this comparison is here betwene two resurrecciōs only / it must nedis folow that aftir T. there shuld be two resurrecciōs of our bodyes / of the which one is beter then the tother : & these men so stretched & racked hauing experience of the worse resurreccion despysed the delyuerance to obtayne the beter . Here may ye se in what absurdytes & errours Tin. wrappeth himself for falsely trāssating thys worde Resurrectio in this place : wherfore according to his owne desier in the ende of hys first new testament desyering all that be able to mende that at was amysse in it & to geue the wordis ( where he did it not himself ) their right significacions : for he confesseth euen there that hys first translacion was a thinge borne before the tyme / rude & imperfit / rather begun then fynisshed / not yet hauing her right shape . This I saye hys owne desyer and confession & my conscience so compelled me & caused me where I sawe siche notable fautes to mende them / lest so many false bokis thruste into mennis handis might ether staye the reader or els seduce him into any errour . Therfore ( I saye ) I englisshe it thus / that thei mought receyue rather the beter lyfe : for the comparison consisteth betwene this lyfe / of whiche thei were werie / and the tother beter lyfe aftir this whiche thei so feruently desiered that they refused to be delyuered from their paynes . And euen in the next lyne before T. himself / magry his tethe : was compelled so to englysshe the same worde callyng yt lyfe / & not the resurreccion . wherby thou mayst se ( good reader ) of what stomake & mynde he wryteth agenst me . Let euery man loke in his first translacion : & there shal he read this text . Mulieres acceperunt exresurrectiōe mortuos suos / thus englysshed of himself . The wemen receyued their dead to lyfe ageyne . Lo here resurrectio aftir T. signifyeth lyfe / & not the generall resurreccion : ergo T. aborreth this worde resurreccion & denyeth the resurreccion of the flesshe / these be his arguments ageinst me / wherwith ( if he thinketh them so stronge ) I do here snare & hold him faste / tyl he be able to loose himselfe . But yet I neuer red that / ex / shulde signifye / ad / as to translate ex resurrectiōe to lyfe / but rather from that lyfe . Also in this we differ here : for he calleth resurreccion the present lyfe of this worlde / which is no lyfe in comparison to the tother / & I cal it the lyf of the tother worlde wherin the blessed soulis lyue with criste tyl domes daye : & ther aftir euermore with their bodies to . But yet in his last newe testamen so diligently corrected & compared wyth the greke / because he wolde varie & swarue fro my englysshing ( ye from the trueth of the worde ) he goyth aboute perambages with a longe circūlocution / saying raysed from dethe to lyfe agen : lo here ex resurrectiōe signifieth raysed vnto this lyfe agen / he had leuer thus play bo peep with .ij. wordis / turning ex into ad / & the nowne into a participle / & the very lyfe of the spirits separated into the dedly shadow of thꝭ worlde / them to say the trueth wyth me . Here may ye se what shiftꝭ thꝭ man maketh to discorde fro me : ye rather from the trueth .

But let vs returne to Tin. his answere to M. More in the sayd place and se with what faithfulnes and reuerence he allegeth Paule . Tindal is confuted . There he saith that Paulis argument is this / If ther be no resurreccion / we be of al wretches the most miserablest Here may ye se how T. runneth ryot of his 1. corinthio . 15. own wit falsely belying Paule hauing no respecte vnto his book / nor yet dew reuerence vnto holy scriptures alleging them / It wolde haue wel becomen as grete a clerke as he is / first to haue turned to Paulꝭ argument and loked more diligently whyther Paule had so knytte it togither / & not to haue coupled paulis consequence with an ancedence of his own ymaginacion / For thꝭ is Paulis argument . Tindal belieth paule . If we haue but in thys lyfe onely oure hope fastened in christe / so were we miserablest of al men . He saith not If ther were no resurreccion / for so myght his antecedence be true & his consequence false : for admitted that as T. allegeth him / there were no resurreccion / yet foloweth it not that the electe nowe departed beinge ( as now at laste he is compelled to graunt ) in no worse case than christis spirit was from his deth tyl he rose agen / be most miserable of al men : for they that be yet a lyue / & they that be dead & not receyued into Abrahams bosom but in hel in tormentis be miche more miserable . But what saith T. to his own argument ? for Paul made it not / verely euen thus . Nay Paule thou art vnlerned / Go to m. More & lerne a new waye . Tindal We be not most miserable thoughe we ryse not agene / for oure soulis go to heuen as sone as we be dead . Ioye . This saith Tin. yroniously in a mok as though it were false / that oure soulis as sone as we be dead shulde go to heuen . Tindal And ar there in as grete ioye as Christ that is rysen agayne . In heuen dare I saye that thei be : Ioye . ye & that in ioye / if they dye in the lorde / but whether in as grete ioye as christ himselfe / let More & T. dispute it . Tindal And I meruel saith T. that Paule had not counforted the Thessalonians wyth that dotryne / if he had wist it / that the soulis of their dead had bene in ioye as he dyd wyth the resurreccion that their dead shuld ryse agen . Neuer meruel at it Tindale / for Paule thought this present consolacion sufficient and could haue coumforted them then with many mo / as with this of Christ . Ioye . Ioan . v. that who so here my worde & beleue in hym that hath sent me / hath lyfe euerlastinge & shall not come into cōdēpnacion / but is passed ouer from dethe to lyfe . whiche consolacion because in that place and at that tyme Paule spake it not : is it a good argument that ther was non siche ? ye must beware ( syr ) how ye argew a negatiuis / for siche kynde of arguments be the worste & feblest that ye can make . It is a naughty argumen / Paule dyd not confort them with that doctrine / but with another as good / ergo that doctrine was false or was not in the world ? ye may not iuge Paule as ignoraunt as you be in it / because he did not then & there expresse it for in other places he declareth & techeth that doctrine plenteously ynoughe .

Crij . lief the seconde syde . Now reade Tinda . wordis in hys answere to M. Moris fourth boke / and loke whether he graunteth not playnly that the soulis sleap tyll domes daye / and whether he calleth not the doctryne that they shulde lyue euer : heythen and flesshly doctryne of the Philosophers ioyned wyth the popis doctrine . And agayn in the .cxviij. leif where vnto he remitted the reader in his table withe thys sentence / Soulis sleap / belying Christe and hys Apostles saynge that they taughte nonother / And yet bothe there Crviii . leif . in his answers and in his exposition vpon Iohns Pystle apon this text . And now lytle chyldren abyde in him / that when he shall apeare . &c. He sayth yt is a depe secrete layd vp in gods tresury And yet a lytle before vpon thys text . Tindals wordes fyght agenst themselve . And he is the satisfaccion & . He bryngeth in Paule tellynge a longe tale in hys sleap ( yf Tin. doctryne be trew ) and maketh Paule at laste to confesse that he himself with other sayntis be in heuen / contrary to hys own saynge / read the .xvj. lyne the fyrste syde of the .xij. leif of the expocicyon of that text . And he is the satisfaccion & . And ther shalt thou se how Tindals wordis fight agenst them selfe . Finally yf yt be so depe a secrete / no scripture to make mencion of their state / I wounder what made Tindale so bolde to saye and to wryte yt to / that thei sleap / & that thei be not in heuen : & now at last to thinke thei be in no worse case then was cristis spirit aftir his dethe vntil his resurreccion . Aftir I had sene theise places and known Tindals erroneouse opinion I resoned wyth hym as we walked togither in the feeld more then once or twyse : bryngyng ageynst him siche textis as m● thought / proued playnely agenst hym / as when christe answerde the theif hangyng by his crosse saying . Luc. 23 This daye thou shalt be with me in paradyse . where I sayd It is manifest that if christe had that daye commended hys spirit into hys fathers handis in heuen ( as he dyd in deed ) & promysed that the spirit of the theif shuld be with his spirit ( for their bodies were not togither ) it must nedys folow that hys spirit was with cristis spirit in heuen . And to expresse the place more playnly christe added saying / In paradyse / which is not els then in heuen . paradyse is taken for heuen . 2 cor. 12. whych one autorite albe it / it had bene sufficient for any mane that wolde haue admytted & receyued the sengle and playn veryte of cristis worde / yet I brought forthe christes wordis agayn describing the state of the faithful & vnfaithful aftir this lyfe / saying . Math. viij . I tell you verely that many shal come from the east & west and shal sit down to eat with Abraham Isaac and Iacob in the kyngdom of heuen / that is to saye / shal be associated vnto Abraham and Isaac to be parte takers of their ioye and fruicyon in heuen / but the chyldren of the kyngdom of the deuyl shal be cast forth into extreme derknesses where shal be wepinge & gnasshing of tethe . This sitting downe at table with Abraham / is not els but Abrahams bosome into which all that resembled Abraham in faith / aftir their departinge were receyued / as ye maye se of Lazarus . Abrahams bosom . Luke .xvj. where the state of the electe & of the reprobated immediatly after their deth is described / th electe to be borne of aungels into Abrahams bosome as was Lazarus / & the reprobated to be caste into hell into tormentis wyth the ryche gloton . Then alleged I Paule saying :

2. Cor. 5 Erthy ●abernacle / oure corruptible bodye .

Heuenly tabernacle / is that ioye & gloriouse presence of God .

For we knowe that yf oure erthye tabernacle where in we dwell were destroyed / yet haue we a perpetual mansion not made with handis / in heuen : of these mansions all redy prepared of christe yt is wryten . Ioan . xiiij . And at last Paule affirmeth that to be absent from the bodye / is to be present with god / saying . we haue confydence & aproue thys to be beter / that is to weit / to be absent from the bodye and to be present wyth god / which saying is spoken of the state of soulis now beyng with god / absent frome theyr bodyes yet a sleape in the erthe tyll thei be awaked & raised vp at the general iugement . Sleap is onely appropriated to the bodyes . Vnto this pertayneth his sayingis also vnto the Philippians / affirming that dethe is to himself more aduauntage then here to lyue : Phi. 1. & therfore he desired to be losed from his bodye that he might be with criste his life : & this state to be miche beter then the lyfe of this worlde . Then I alleged Iohn in the Apocalipse describing the states bothe of the dampned & also of the blessed that dye in the lorde hence forthe : apo 14 which sith they be blessed from their dethe forth / it must nedis folow that thei be in blysse in heuen . apo. 20 And Iohn repetyng the same state describyng it almost withe the same wordis saith those soulis were alyue & raigned with crist . M. yere &c. & calleth that lyfe of the soulis / primam resurrectionem / the first resurreccion : The first resurreccion / is the lyf of the soulis . & hym blessed & holy which hath his parte in the fyrste resurreccion : here is it playn that this worde Resurrectio is not euery where taken a lyke as T. saith / and Iohn describeth the state of the seconde resurreccion immediatly in the same cap. & calleth the state of the dampned the seconde dethe by whiche correlatiuis calling it the first resurreccion in respecte of the seconde / & those antithesis and puttyng one contrary agenst a nother euery reader maye gather whiche is the first lyf / & the firste dethe / whiche is the seconde dethe & seconde resurreccion . But these playn testimonyes of the scripture wolde take no place with Tindal / for he wrested & writeth them contrary to his own doctryne out of their proper & pure sence with fayned gloses to shift and seke holes / he aftir his wont disdaynful maner agenst me fylipt them forth betwene hys fynger & his thombe / & what disdaynfull and obprobrious wordis he gaue me for so resoning agenst hym I wyll not now reherce / lest I shuld minysshe the good opinion that some men haue in him . Also ther is a playne descripcion of the state where vnto the soulis departed in crist he ar receyued Hebr. xij . ye ar not come vnto the hill Sinai which none might touche : but ye are come vnto the mounte zion the cite of the lyuing god / the heuenly Ierusalem / & vnto the innumerable company of aungels vnto the congregacion of our former first begoten fathers writen togither in heuen / & to god the iuge of al men / & vnto the spiritis of the pure iuste and vnto Iesus criste the mediatour of the newe couenant euen vnto the bespreigned bloude . Here is yt playne / that in this heuenly Ierusalem ar now the congregacion of our former fathers & the spirites of the iuste men / for aftir the generall resurreccion / this congregacion shal be no spiritis / but the company of very men hauyng flesshe and bone / whiche the spiritis haue not : crist sayng to his disciples fele and touche me / for a spyrit hath nether flesshe nor bones . But at laste I remember that I made hym thys reason / saynge . Syr ye knowe that christe is our head / & we his members / & altogither hys bodye / ye knowe also that christe is the firste frutis / & fore leader of them 1. cor. 15 that sleap / Then I argewed thus / The bodye must nedis folow the head / & whother the head went thither must the bodye folow ( for crist optayned of his father that wheresoeuer he shuld be / there shulde his faithful be with him to se his glorie ) but christis spirit departed slept not oute of heuen / but wente into the fathers handis in heuen / wherfore euen so shall ours aftir our dethe / if we dye his membres and in the lorde : ioan . 14 and. 17 This reason did so byght Tindal / and stoke so faste vpon hym that he coude not shake it of / but is now at laste ( thanked be god ) constrayned to saye with me in hys goodly godly pistle agenst me / that I thynke ( he dare not yet constantly affyrme it ) the soulis departed in the faith of crist to be in no worse case then the soule of criste was from the tyme he delyuered his spirit into the handis of his father vntyll the resurreccion of hys bodye . Tindal Ioye . Here maye euery reader se / that thoughe he thinketh now other wyse then he hathe wryten in so many placis / & now thynketh the very same that I euer affirmed & obiected agenste him / yet had he leuer ageinst his owne conscience thus enuyously withe so many spightfull lyes and sclaunders vnto my perpetuall infamy / hauyng no respecte vnto the sclaunders and hurte mynistred vnto the congregacion of Christe / nor yet to the gaudye and reioyse of our aduersaries / to haue wryten agenst me then to refrayned his penne and aknowleged hys errour . So prowd and arrogant are they that stonde so hyghly in their own cōsayght and falfe opinion / pertinatly to defende it though thei se it right false / rather then thei wolde seme conuicted especially of any simple and one that apereth not so wel lerned as thei be them selues .

The Apologie & answere vnto Tindals pistle .

But let vs now here Tindals vncharitable pistle set before hys newe Testament thus tytled .

Tindal Vylliam Tindal / yet once more to the Christen Reader .

Ioye . Tindale shulde haue goten hym more honesty / and lesse shame / yf he had writen once lesse to the reader .

Tindal Thou shalt vnderstonde ( most dere reader ) when I had taken in hande to loke ouer the newe testament agayn / and to compare it with the greke / and to mende what so euer I coude fynde amysse and had almost fynesshed the laboure .

It was but loked ouer in deed nothinge performing his so large promyses added in the later ende of his first translacion to the reader / and I wounder how he coude compare yt with greke sith himselfe is not so exquysitely sene thereyn . Ioye .

George Ioye secretly toke in hand to correct it also / by what occasyon his conscyence knoweth : Tindal & preuented me / in so moch / that his correccion was printed in greate noumbre / yer myne beganne . When it was spyed and worde brought me / though it semed to dyuers other that George Ioye had not vsed the offyce off an honest man / seynge he knewe that I was in correctynge it myselfe : nether dyd walke aftir the rules of the loue and softenes which Christe and hys disciples teache vs / howe that we shulde do nothynge of stryfe to moue debate / or of vayne glorie / or of couetousnes . Yet I toke the thinge in worth as I have done dyuers other in tymes past as one that haue more experience off the nature and disposicion off that mannes complexyon / and supposed that a lytle spyse off couetousnes and vayne glorye / ( two blynde goydes ) had bene the onlye cause that moued him so to do / aboute which thinges I striue with no man : & so folowed aftir & corrected forth & caused this to be printed without surmyse or lokynge on hys correctyon .

Ioye . Lo good Reder / here mayst thou se of what nature & complexion T. is so sodenly fyercely & boldely to choppe in to any mannis conscience & so to vsurpe & preuent the office of god in iugment which is onely the enseer & sercher of herte & mynde . ¶ Nolite indicate vt non iudicemini . Thys godly man / iugeth & noteth me vayngloriouse curiouse & couetouse / & al for correcking a false copie of the testament that thei mought be the trwelyer printed agen / and so not so many false bokis solde into the realme to the hurt and deceyt of the byers and reders of them . I correcked but the false copye wherby and aftir whyche the printer dyd sette his boke and correcked the same himself in the presse . But I shall now playnly & sengly ( for the trowth knoweth nofucated polesshed and paynted oracion ) declare vnto euery man / wherof / howe / and by whom I was moued and desyered to correcke this false copie that shulde els haue brought forth mo than two thousand falser bokes more then euer englond had before .

First / thou shalt knowe that Tindal aboute .viij. or .ix. yere a goo translated and printed the new testament in a mean great volume / but yet wyth oute Kalender / concordances in the margent / & table in th ende . And anon aftir the dwche men gote a copye & printed it agen in a small volume adding the kalendare in the begynning / concordances in the margent / & the table in th ende . But yet / for that they had no englisshe man to correcke the setting / thei themselue hauyng not the knowledge of our tongue / were compelled to make many mo fautes then were in the copye / & so corrupted the boke that the simple reder might ofte tymes be taryed & steek . Aftir this thei printed it agein also without a correctour in a greater letter & volume with the figures in th apocalipse whiche were therfore miche falser then their firste . when these two pryntes ( there were of them bothe aboute v. thousand bokis printed ) were al soulde more then a twelue moneth a goo / Tind . was pricked forthe to take the testament in hande / to print it & correcke it as he professeth and promyseth to do in the later ende of his first translacion . But T. prolonged & differred so necessary a thing and so iust desyers of many men . In so miche that in the mean ceason / the dewch men prynted it agen the thyrde tyme in a small volume lyke their firste prynt / but miche more false than euer it was before . And yet was T. here called vpon agen / seyng there were so many false printed bokis stil putforth & bought vp so fast ( for now was ther geuen thanked be god a lytel space to breath & reste vnto christis chirche aftir so longe & greuouse persecucion for reading the bokes ) But yet before thꝭ thyrd tyme of printing the boke / the printer desiered me to correcke it : And I sayd It were wel done ( if ye printed them agene ) to make them truer / & not to deceiue our nacion with any mo false bokis / neuertheles I suppose that T. himself wil put it forth more ꝑfait & newly corrected / which if he do / yours shal be naught set by nor neuer solde . This not withstanding yet thei printed them and that most false & aboute .ij. M. bokis / & had shortly solde them al. Al this longe while T. slept / for nothing came from him as farre as I coude perceiue . Then the dewche began to printe them the fowrth tyme because thei sawe noman els goyng aboute them / & aftir thei had printed the first leif which copye a nother englissh man had correcked to them / thei came to me & desiered me to correcke them their copie / whom I answered as before / that if T. amende it with so gret diligence as he promysethe / yours wil be neuer solde . yisse quod thei / for if he prynte . ij . m. & we as many / what is so litle a noumber for all englond ? & we wil sel ours beter cheape / & therfore we doubt not of the sale : so that I perceyued well & was suer / that whether I had correcked theyr copye or not / thei had gone forth with their worke & had geuen vs .ij. m. mo bokis falselyer printed them euer we had before . Then I thus considred with myself : englond hath ynowe & to many false testaments & is now likely to haue many mo : ye & that whether T. correck his or no / yet shal these now in hand go forth vncorrecked to / except some body correck them : And what T. dothe I wote not / he maketh me nothing of his counsel / I se nothyng come from him all this longe whyle . wherin with the helpe that he hathe / that is to saye one bothe to wryte yt and to correcke it in the presse / he myght haue done it thryse sence he was first moued to do it . For T. I know wel was not able to do yt with out siche an helper which he hathe euer had hitherto . Aftir this ( I saye ) consydered / the printer came to me agen and offred me .ij. stuuers and an halfe for the correcking of euery sheet of the copye / which folden contayneth .xvj. leaues / & for thre stuuers which is .iiij. pense halpeny starling / I promised to do it / so that in al I had for my labour but .xiiij. shylyngis flemesshe / which labour / had not the goodnes of the deede & comon profyte & helpe to the readers compelled me more then the money / I wolde not haue done yt for .v. tymes so miche / the copie was so corrupt & especially the table : & yet saith T. I did it of couetousnes : If this be couetousnes / them was Tindal moche more couetouse / for he ( as I herd saye ) toke .x. ponde for his correccion . I dyd it also / sayth he / of curiosite and vaynglory / ye & that secretly : and did not put to my name / whiche / I saye / be two euydent tokens that I sought no vaynglory / for he that doth a thing secretly & putteth out hys name / how seketh he vaynglory ? and yet is not the man ashamed to wryte that vaynglory & couetousnes where my two blynde goides / but I tell Tin. agen / that if malyce & enuy ( for all his holy protestaciōs ) had not bene his two blynde goidis / he wold neuer haue thus falsely / vncharitably / and so spightfully belyed & sclaundred me with so perpetual an infamie . Tin. saith I walked not aftir the rules of loue & softenes / but let men read how maliciously he belyeth & sclaundereth me for wel doing : & iuge what rule of loue & softnes he obseruethe . It is greate shame to the teacher when his owne deedis & wordis reproue and condempne himself : He hath grete experience of my natural disposicion and complexion saith he . But I wyll not be his Phisicion & decerne his water at this tyme . And as for his two disciplꝭ that gaped so longe for their masters morsel that thei might haue the aduauntage of the sale of his bokis of which one sayd vnto me . It were almose he were hanged that correcketh the testament for the dewch / & the tother harped on his masters vntwned string / saying that because I englissh Resurreccion the lyfe aftir this / men gatherd that I denied the general resurreccion : which errour ( by their own sayng ) was gathred longe before this boke was printed / vnto which ether of theis disciples I semed no honest man for correcking the copye / I wil not now name them / nor yet shew how one of them / neuer I dare say seyng . s. Ierome de optimo gn̄e interpretandi / yet toke vpon him to teche me how I shuld translat the scripturis / where I shuld geue worde for worde / & when I shulde make scholias / notꝭ / & gloses in the mergent as himself & hys master doith . But in good faithe as for me I had as lief put the trwthe in the text as in the margent and excepte the glose expowne the text ( as many of theirs do not ) or where the text is playn ynough : I had as lief leue siche fryuole gloses cleue out . I wolde the scripture were so puerly & plyanly translated that it neded nether note / glose nor scholia / so that the reder might once swim me without a corke But thꝭ testament was printed or T. was begum / & that not by my preuēcion / but by the printers quicke expedicion & T. own longe sleaping / for as for me I had nothing to do with the printing therof / but correcked their copie only / as where I founde a worde falsely printed / I mended it : & when I came to some derke sentencis that no reason coude be gathered of them whether it was by the ignorance of the first translatour or of the prynter / I had the latyne text by me & made yt playn : & where any sentence was vnꝑfite or clene left oute I restored it agene : & gaue many wordis their pure & natiue significacion in their places which thei had not before . For my conscience so compelled me to do / & not willingly & wetingly to slip ouer siche fautis into the hurte of the text or hinderance of the reder

But to certifye the ( good indifferent reder ) wyth what conscience & discrecion Tin. wrote this vnsober pistle agenst me / thou shalt here after se / that of some greuouse crimes he accuseth and condempneth me of an hearsaye or of the informacion by other men That my curiosite shuld haue drawne no small noumber vtterly to denye the Resurreccion of the bodye / affirming that the soule departed is the spiritual bodie of the resurreccion / & other resurrection shal there none be . Tindal Ioye . This informacion T. bringeth in / in the seconde leif of his pistle to confirme the same sclaunderouse lye ymagened of hys owne brayne / adding with a constant affirmacion these wordis . Tindal And of al this is George Ioyes vnquiet curiosite the hole occasion . Ioye . This shameles lye & sclaunderouse affirmacion T. is not ashamed to prynte / onely because I saye that there is a lyf aftir this wherein the blessed spirits departed lyue in heuen with criste ( for this is his wyse argument / he that putteth the soulis in heuen before domes daye stealeth away the resurreccion of their bodyes / Ge. Ioye sayth they be in heuen / ergo he denyed the resurreccion ) but also because he is so enformed . Besydis thys condempnacion of me by hearsaye or enformacion of hys faccyon : he is not ashamed of hys owne brayne to affirme & to wryte it / saying in the same fowrthe peise of his pistle thus . Tindal Moreouer / ye shal vnderstonde that George Ioye hath had of a longe tyme meruelouse ymaginacions about thꝭ worde Resurreccion that it shulde be taken for the state of the soulis departed &c. which same meruelouse ymaginacion / Iohn apo .xx. hath : Ioye . calling that state or lyfe the first resurreccion : Lo. Nowe yf T. nor yet his wyse enformers cannot proue nor iustifye these sclaunderouse lyes vpon me / as I know well they neuer shall as euery man maye se me in my bokis constantly wrytinge and affirmyng the Resurreccion of our bodyes at domes daye which ( I thanke god ) I neuer douted of : may ye not se then the maliciouse entent / shrewed purpose / and corrupt conscience of this man for all his holy protestacions / thus temerariously and abominably to write to defame and sclaunder me ? Ar not these the venomouse tethe of vepers that thus gnawe a nother mannis name ? ar thei not spearis & dartis & their tongues as sharpe as swerdis as the prophet paynteth them ? Psal. 57. Psal. 140. whette thei not their tongues lyke serpents ? nourysshe thei not adders venome with their lippes ? yisse verely . For the trowth is not in their mouthes sayth Dauid : psal. 5 They are corrupted within / their throte is an open stynking graue / wyth their tongues they flater and deceyue . Here may ye smel out of what stynkyng breste and poysoned virulent throte thys peivisshe Pistle spyrethe and breathed forthe .

But yet here first of all / T. ( as ye maye se ) accuseth and dampneth me / of coniecture and temerariouse iugement / to be vnhonest / not walking aftir christis rules of loue & softnes / but rather to be a sediciouse persone mouing stryfe & debate / to be vayngloriouse / curiouse / & couetouse and I cannot tell you what . But ere T. had thus by open writing & prynting it to / accused & dampned me / yt had become him ( yf he had wylled to be taken for a cristen man ) firste to haue knowne these vices pryuately correcked betwene me & them whom I had with these synnes offended and eft aftir for my incorrigible and vntractable hardnes not hearing the chirche / to haue also offended yt openly casting me out of yt / as crist techeth vs : & not thus fyercely & sodenly of a lyght & false coniecture & temerariouse iugement ( I wil say no worse ) to preuent bothe the iugement of god & man and to vsurpe the offyce of god before he come to iuge vs bothe / nothyng feryng his terrible thretening / saing Iuge noman lest ye be iuged / condempne not lest ye be condempned your selues . mat . 7. Luc. 6. T. condemneth me of curiosite / but iuge / ( indifferent reder ) whither this be not an vnquiet vayn curyouse touche to crepe into a nother mannis conscience curiously to serche accuse & condempne / when he shuld haue descended rather into his own / examining himselfe of what affeccion & minde he wolde write so many lyes & sclaunders of his brother of so light coniecture & heresayes . If I had bene gilty al these fautes / it had bene Tin. parte to haue had compassion rather vpon me / to warne / to exhorte me / then so sodenly & spyghtfully to haue had accused me so openly / and that wyth so perpetual and haynouse a sclaunder of my name that himselfe ( though he wolde ) yet can he not reuoke it & restore it me agene . He shuld haue consydered that god commaundeth vs to be eche others seruants / & not so cruell iuges and condempners / namely of siche light coniectures . Ro. 14 what hath T. to do to iuge a nother mannis seruant ? what folehardines is it to crepe out of our own consciences curiously to serche other mennis hertis ? ye & that to iuge & condempne them by open and perpetuall bokis ? I haue god my iuge / & therefore nede I not Tindals temerariouse iugement : ether I stande or fall vnto my nown lorde / yea he is redye / yf I fall / merciably to lifte me vp agayn / and to sustayn me that I fall not . But T. and his goodly enformers thought / it was no honest mannis touche to correcke a falfe copye of the testament / which yf yt had not be done at that tyme / ther had bene printed & solde two . M. mo falser bokis then euer before : thys semed no honest touche to them that had bought Tindals copy corrected for ten ponde as I herde saye / and shuld haue the auauntage of the first sale / for it semed to them / that the mo trwer testaments / the lesse to be their auauntage : but had these that I correcked / gone forth falser then eny wother before / & had I refused the correccion of them / & so all the byers and reders to haue ben vtterly deceyued with them / then had I plaid the honest man : then wold not one of them ( as he did ) haue wisshed me hanged for my labour . But nowe to haue correct that false copy that the testaments myght be the trwlyer prynted for the edifying of the reders / is aftyr T. charite / a dede of stryfe & debate / & of one that walketh not aftir the rules of loue and softnes whych Tindale / Christe I shulde saye / & hys disciples teach vs . To correck the false copye that the holy testament myght be the perfytlyer red & vnderstonden / that the reders be not taried nor seduced is now aftir T. & his enformers a touche of vaynglory / curiosite / and couetousnes blynde gydis &c. For yf I had chaunged neuer a worde in the boke / but onely correcked 〈…〉 making himself to be astonned & to woundre of what furye I was caryed to geue this one worde Resurreccion hys very 〈…〉 significacion / which I did of no furie but of good zele vnto the trueth / lest the reader myght be seduced with you beleuing there is no lyfe of soulis departed : but to lye a sleape without heuen tyl domes daye / For in so englysshyng the worde I do nomore abhorre the name of the resurreccion then do your selfe in the .xj. cap. to the hebrews where youre selfe call yt lyfe also : and haue graunted it me that yt so signifyeth . If I denye the resurreccion for so englysshing it / so do you denye hell for englisshing Infernus a graue .

Tindal If that chaunce / to turne resurreccion into lyfe after this lyfe / be a dyligent correccion / then must my translacion be fautie in those places / & saynt Ieromes / and all the translatours that euer I heard of in what tonge so euer it be / from the apostles vnto this hys dyligent correccion ( as he calleth it ) which whither it be so or no / I permit it to other mennes iudgementes .

Ioye . whether my correccion in this place be a diligent correccion / and Tin. translacion fautye or no / let better lerned then we bothe be iuges . Nether foloweth yt / that for because ether myne be diligent / or T. be fautye / saynt Ieroms ( whyche neuer that I red translated it into englisshe ) shulde be fautye in latyne / for he translated but oute of greke into latyn ( yf he dyd translate it ) understanding ( I dare saye ) by thys worde Resurrectio in those places the lyfe of soulis departed or the first resurreccion as Iohn calleth yt / & not the generall resurreccion as T. dremeth . apo. 2● S. Ierome knewe full wel that the worde in hebrew had mo significacions then the resurreccion of the flesshe / & did not euery where translate the hebrew verbe into Surgo / as I haue shewed before alleged in Isaye .

But of thys I chalenge George Ioye / that he did not put his owne name therto and call yt rather his owne traslacion : Tindal and that he playeth boo pepe / and in some of hys bookes putteth in his name and title / and in some kepeth it oute .

If George Ioye playth bo peep for not putting to his name / then doth Tin. play bo peep with the testament first translated wher he did not put to his name to avoyd vaynglory : Ioye . And. S. Paule ( by this wyse reason ) playd bo peep wythe hys pistle to the hebrews . Also here T. chalengeth me be cause I called yt not rather my nowne translacion / oh good lorde what occasions this man honteth for agenst me ? Truth yt is that Solomon sayth prouer. xviij. he that delighteth in dissension / taketh of euery thing an occasyon to chyde . Shuld I haue called yt my translacion for correcking the fawty & corrupt copye / or for englisshing resurreccion the very lyfe aftir this ? If I had so done verely T. had had a iuste cause to haue writen agenst me for lying & stealing awaye the glorie of his name for first translating the testament / But it was happie that the printer in making the title called yt a diligent correccion & not a translacion T. here addeth to my name / my title to . I cannot tell what he meaneth by my title : except yt be / that in some of my bokis I write that I was some tyme fellow of Peter College in Camebridge for the more difference betwene a nother man that perchaunce might haue the same name that I haue / And yf thys be the tytle that offendeth T. I will hence forthe leaue yt oute .

It is lawfull for who will / to translate and shew his mynde / though a thousand had translated before him . Tindal Ioye . why then is T. thus angrie with me for shewing my mynde ( no not my minde but the mynde of crist ) vpon thys worde resurrectio ? But is yt not lawfull ( thynketh me ) ner yet expedient for the edifienge of the vnitie of the fayth of christ / that whosoeuer wil / shal by hys awne auctoryte / take another mannes translacion & put oute & in & chaunge at pleasure / and cal it a correccion . Tindal Ioye . God forbyd that T. shulde so thinke of hymselfe / that he hathe so exquysitly / ( ye & that at firste ) translated the testament that yt cannot be mended / for he aknowlegeth & proueth the contrary himself / & desyerth other men to mende yt : wherefore verely me thought it bothe lawfull & expedyent so to do : ye & that by as good autorite as he did first translate it vnperfaytly . Is yt not lawful to correck that at is amysse lest the readers be ether taryed or seduced ? Aftir orygine / Ierome translated and ofte correcked the psalter & was desyered of Damasus then bishop of Rome to correck the the new testament / which ( I am suer ) thought it lawfull and expedient to / as we se dayly / other lerned men other wyse redyng and translating the scriptures then dyd Ierome . Dyd all the olde doctours translate / allege / & rede the scriptures a lyke ? Did they stonde so highly in their own consaight that any one dysdayned to be correcked of a nother ? And shall we then permytte vnto onely Tind . but a man / farre inferior vnto them both in lerning / iugement / & vertew / to translate and wryte what he lysteth noman so hardy to amende his fautis ? what profit & goodnes cometh of the diuersite of translacions / rede S. Austen in his seconde boke de doctrina christiana cap. xij . In the chirch of god as there be many & dyuerse membres / so haue they many & sondry giftes / & one may se in a nother mannis workis that he saw not himselfe . And I doute not but there be / & shal come aftir vs / that canne & shall correcke our workes and translacions in many places & make them miche more perfayt & better for the reader to vnderstande / and shulde we therfore brawll & wryte agenst them as T. dothe agenst me ? god forbyde / but rather thanke them and geue place as Paule teacheth .j. Corinth . xiiij .

Moreouer / ye shall vnderstonde that George Ioye hath had of a longe tyme marvelouse ymaginacions aboute this worde resurreccion ( that it shuld be taken for the state of the soules aftir their departinge from their bodyes / & hath also ( though he hath been reasoned with therof and desyred to cease ) yet sowen his doctrine by secret letters on that syde the see / & caused great division amonge the brethren . Tindal In so moch that Iohn Fryth beyng in person in the toure of London / a litle before his death / wrote that we shuld warne hym and desyer him to cease / and wolde have then wryten agaynst him / had I not withstonde him . & ceta .

If Tindals parte had bene so trwe / and myne so false for translatyng thys worde Resurrectio / as he pretendeth : Ioye . ¶ Tindale falleth from his cause / to lying and sclaunderyng . he wold haue boden better by it / and haue stoken nerer the probacion therof in his pystle as by the kaye of his whole cause prouing his translacion trwe and myne false : & neuer haue had so farre swaruen from his principal / as ( al probaciōs for his parte / & the confutacions of myn clene forgoten ) a man caryed of what furiouse affectꝭ his tragical pistle declareth to fal to belying / defaming & sclaundering of any man : he shuld haue erst proued his parte trw & myn false or he had thus raged & rayled vpon me . But these crimes which he here openly & falsely impingeth vnto me of his own head & cannot iustifye them / he hath promysed before recorde to reuoke . And if he be a trwe crysten man / sithe he cannot iustifye his writing so vncircunspectly put forth & thrusted into many handis / he must ether for fere of that terrible sentence of god thretening al euill spekers / detractours & defamers his vengeaunce & wrath / orels if charite be so farre quenched in his breste as hys maliciouse pistle proueth it / yet at leste wise for very shame of these .iiij. honest men / before whom & eft sens before me he promised to reuoke his writing of me / he muste now reuoke his sclaunderouse & lying pistle wherin he sayth that I abhorre the name of the resurreccion & that I shuld denie it . Also here he imputeth vnto me certain crimes of which he condempneth me of here saye / ye and that by the enformacion of other / That no small noumber thorow my curiosite vtterly denye the resurreccion of the bodyes &c. lo / good reader / Thus is not T. ashamed nor afraid to write at th enformaciōs ( if there be eny sich ) of other men . T. shuld haue first considred what men these were that so falsely enformed him / & of what stomak & proof thei enformed him . For thꝭ dare I say constantly ( I haue yet the copie of the letters writen but onely vnto one man / in which as euery man may se / it may be assone & as lykely gathered that I denye that there is any god as the resurreccion / but I do rather al firme yt / or that onely the soule departed is the spiritual bodie of the resurreccion as T. is enformed & here affirmeth the same to confirme thys false enformacion . T. & his enformers shuld haue turned fyrst to the article in our credo concerning the resurreccion which I translated / loking whether I do not affirme it / & like wise in all placis of scripture where so euer I fynde this worde Resurrectio signifying the resurrection of oure bodyes . ) But I dare saye : that yf Tindals erformers whom by name I coude drawe out into light ( if Tin. saye it not of his owne head ) were examined of this reporte / that as they cannot for shame affirme & shew it to be taken of my letters / so shulde T. with miche more shame to haue bene afrayd openly to wryte it / adding this adsercion of his owne brayne .

Tindal And of all this is G. Ioyes vnquyet curiosite the hole occasion / whether he be of the sayde faccion also / or not / to that let him answer him selfe .

Ioye . Al this forsayd peise therfore is nothinge els ( I take god to recorde ) but a continuall shamelesse lye & a perpetual spightful sclaunder maliciously blowne togyther vpon me out of Tin. mouthe . These salfe lyes and enuyouse infamyes whether they can come forth of any cristen breste or stande with siche holy adiuracions & protestacions as he paynteth aftirward to colour his ypocrysy & deadly hatered so long conceyued / noureshed in his brest & now spitted oute vpon me let euery man iuge / For as for me / god knowth / I neuer had other ymaginacion aboute this worde resurreccion then the significacion whych I haue sufficiently declared . And if euer I had any wother ymaginacions then that whiche in some placis ( as I haue translated it ) it signifyeth / euen the ferme faste permanent lyfe of the soulis departed : and agene in some placis the resurreccion of the flesshe as I haue declared yt / I adpele / prouoke / and compell Tindals conscience to tell yt openly / and yf he cannot / let him confesse his lye & knowleg how shamelessly he sclaundereth me and reuoke it . Also where he sayth / that I haue ben reasoned wyth all and desyered to ceasse : it is true that I reasoned with him of this mater twise or thryse and tolde him that he did well yf he reuoked his erroneouse doctryne sowne so oft in hys bokis : & if he saith that it was he that desyered me to ceasse / I reasoned wyth none els but onely with him / in good faith I shal tel the trwthe / we neuer reasoned the mater but thorow his impacience our disputacion euer ended with chyding and brawling insomiche that aftirwarde in hys exposicion vpon Iohn he stretched forth his penne agenst me as farre as he dirst / but yet spared my name / at the whiche chaleng I winked / yet taking yt not as ment of me because I loued quyetnes not wylling that any man shuld know what hatred he did euer beare me sence I came ouer / For when he coude not avoyd the manyfest scriptures nor soyle the reasons brought agenst him / then the man began to fume and chaafe calling me fole / vnlerned / with other obprobriouse names : then I knew not the scriptures nor what I sayd &c. and except T. call this his charitable desyer and louing monicion wherwith he desyerd me to ceasse / in good fayth I neuer herd whother of hys mouthe . I am sory to wryte this / but his deadly lyes & maliciously sclaunders compel me to do yt . Tindal Then sayth he that I haue sowne my doctryne by secrete letters on that syde the sea and caused grete diuision emonge the bretherne &c. I neuer wrote letter concerning this mater I take god to recorde but vnto one man seduced Ioye . by his false doctryne / whych yet ( I thynke ) persysteth for all my letters in the same opinion / so wholly dependeth he vpon Tindals mouth addicte vnto hys wordis / that the soulis sleap oute of heuen tyll domes daye / whom I warned at last to ceasse wryting any more of this mater to me / & not to stande ouer miche in hys own cōsayght nor yet to depende ouer myche of any mannis doctryne / declaring hīfyrst the significacions of this worde resurrectio as I haue done in thys Apologye / And yet haue I here the copye of my letters sent vnto this man whych I neuer desyered as euery man shall se to be kept secrete / nether dyd the yonge man so kepe them for they and their copyes went thorow many handis as I vnderstode aftir / and were sent vnto Frithe in the tower / wherof Frith wrote thys warnyng to Tin. whyche he here mencyoneth / and I answerd Frith agene by my letters / but aftir I answered him / I neuer herde more from Frith of this mater / and yet had he a longe tyme aftir in the tower to haue wryten / if he had sene his parte good : Frith wrote tindals answers to More for tindale / and corrected them in the prynte / and printed them to at Amelsterdam / and whether he winked at T. opinion as one hauyng experience of Tindals complexion / or was of the same opinion I cannot tel / the man was ientle & quyet & wellerned & better shuld haue ben yf he had liued . Then sayth T. Therto I haue ben sence enformed that no small nowmber thorow hys curiosite denie the resurreccion of the flessh & bodie . Tindal Thou seist ( good reader ) how that I denie not the general resurreccion / nor I my self neuer thought it to be denyed but haue constantly affirmed & taught it . Ioye . But thou remembrest euerywhere T. argument / thus argwing full falsely : If the soulis be in heuen / ergo there shal be no resurreccion of their bodyes . Here tindals faccion and his disciples argew and beleue lyke their Master / sayng : lo George Ioye sayth the soulis be in heuen / wherfore it muste nedis folow that he denyeth the resurreccion of their bodyes / orels he muste make oure Master & father tindale a lyer and his doctrine false / here may euery man se how T. playth bo peepe wyth me impynging heresy vnto me / for confuting hys errour sowne hitherto in his bokis : Tindal yet sayth T. to / that these men seduced by my doctryne affirme that the soule / when she is departed / is the spiritual bodye of the resurreccion : & other resurreccion shall there non be . If T. can shew me these wordes to be mine ether in writing / or brynge forthe any man that euer herde me speke them / then let me suffer dethe . Ioye . For I take god to recorde that I neuer thought them / & sence I red my philosophy / I knew the difference betwene a bodye & the soule / & was neuer so mad as to call the soule a spirituall bodye / as Tindal sayth I do affirme yt : but T. in deed when I argewed that sleape in scrypture was onely appropryated vnto the bodie & not to the soule / & a shuttyng vp of the sencis frome their vse / he graunted me that the soule of man was also a bodely substaunce : wherat a non I perceyued his highe lerning . Tindal At last saith T. I haue talked wyth some of them my selfe so doted in that folye that it were as good to perswade a poste as to plucke that madnes oute of their braynes . And of this all is George Ioyes vnquiet curiosite the hole occasion . Ioye . If any man list to beleue T / that he hath thus talked wyth some so doted / lete him so do in gods mane . For as for me / sithe I se hīlye so manifestly in other thingis / suerly I trust him the lesse in thys tale : nor wil I neuer beleue him til he bringeth forthe some one so doted / For I thinke there be none so mad / And whether I be so curiouse & vnquiet as he reporteth me / lete them be iuges that se my workis & rede this mine answere & know my conuersacion . And here T. addeth this tayle to knyt vp his lies sayng / whether he be of the sayd faccion also or not / to that let him answer himselfe . Tindal Ioye . I am not affraid to answere Master Tindal in thys mater for all his high lernyng in hys hebrewe greke latyne &c. T. supposeth / ye he affirmeth yt here twise for fayling / that I am of the same faccion And I answere & tel T. agene that he belyeth me deadly / & that nether he nor noman els can gather one iote of al the wryting & wordes that euer I spake or wrote / that I shulde once thynke that there shuld be no general resurreccion of our bodyes / nor yet that the soules departed shulde onely be the spiritual bodyes of the resurreccion . Blame me not ( I beseche the cristen reader ) though I seme in this place vnpacient : For verely I am spightfully prouoked & exasperated with his lyes & sclaunders thus penned into my perpetuall infamy / & am compelled to defend my name & fame which ther is nothing to me more dere & leife / for there is no kynde of infamy so pernicius as is to be sclaundered of heresye / whych Tin. impingeth vnto me / nothing consydering that ( though he wolde ) yet can he not restore me my name agene / And I meruel that this so holy a man as he pretendeth himselfe forgetteth what paule threteneth sayng that these euyll spekers bye / & sclaunderers shal not possede the heretage & kingdome of god . i. cor. v I pray god geue thꝭ man a better mynde & to printe wel in his hert & remember his own doctrine / & to feare hys own terrible othe & so harde and perellouse desyer in thys hys pistle : thus saying here aftir . Tindal More ouer I take god ( whych alone seith the hert ) to recorde to my conscience / beseching him that my parte be not in the bloude of crist / yf I wrote of all that I haue writen thorow out all my boke / aught of an euil purpose / of enuy or malice to eny man &c.

Tindal If George Ioye will saye ( as I wot well he will ) that his chaunge is the the sence 〈…〉 put in of a nother man : nether do I here at my nowne pleasure put in my meanyng but the meaning of crist as hymself expowneth it / whose meaning is not the next waye to stablysshe heresyes as Tindals meaning dothe / as I haue playnely proued / which let me se yf he can improue & confute : but rather to confute T. heresye which is that the soulis sleap out of heuen feling nether payne nor ioye til domes daye .

〈◊〉 for an ensample / when Christ sayth Io. v. Tindal 〈…〉 teth thys worde Deus / calling yt god in englysshe / thrusteth not out god / but putteth him in for them to know him in englisshe which vnderstande not the latyn . If Tin. translate theis wordis / paradisum voluptatis / calling them a garden in Eden / & a nother come aftir him englisshyng the same a pleasaunt paradise / this man thrusteth not clene out paradise . Nether where he translateth And Iacob blessed Pharao / and a nother translateth the same sayng / And Iacob thanked Pharao / yt folowthe not that therfore this man thrusteth out clene this worde Benedixit / no more then he thrusteth out Paulis soule / that translateth this place of paule . Gen xlvij Thes. ij . we desyerd not onely to geue vnto you the gospel of god but also our owne lyues or our owne selues / for which Tin. sayth our own soulis .

Tindal Now by the same auctorite / and with as good reason shall another come and saye of the rest of the text / they that are in the sepulchres / shal heare his voyce / that the sence is / the soules of them that are in the sepulchres shall heare his voyce / and so put in his dyligent correccion and mocke oute the text / that it shal not make for the resurreccion of the flesshe / which thynge also George Ioyes correccion doth manifestlye affirme .

I wolde know of Tinda . Ioye . whether when a mannis bodye is dead & layd in graue / yt be his dead bodye or hys soule that hereth cristis voyce / I am suer T. is not so farre besydis his comon sencis as to saye the dead bodye hereth cristis voyce / ergo yt is the soule that hereth yt / and then why dothe T. despyse my sence or rather the trw sence of the scripture calling it a mocking out of the text and a false glose ? I am suer Tin. will not vnderstand the textis of Peter / that the gospell is preched to the dead bodyes in graue but rather to the soulis departed / Albeit I se in hys new correccion how shamefully and of what corrupt mynde god knowth / he hathe peruerted thys text / wyth thys note / That the dead ar the ignorant of god . i. pet. 3 & . 4 i. pe. 4. when there the dead & quyke be taken as they stonde in the credo / the deade euen for the departed out of this worlde and the quyk for them that lyue there in : whych article that criste shal iuge them bothe / as it is setforth for the playn peple so is it playnly spoken as the letter sowneth / and not in a mistik allegory worthy any sich a false glose in the mergent / T. shuld haue loked beter on the circumstance of the texte / & not haue englisshed / vt iudicarent quidem scdm homines carne : that thei shuld be condempned of men in the flesshe . For by thys peruertyng of the text men may se that T. hath forgoten his grammer / or els god knowth of what mynde he wold haue here / mortuis / not to signifye the departed oute of this worlde / and iudicarentur signifye that they shuld be condempned / & scdm homines / of men . whiche sentence he translated at first truely / and now corrected it de meliore in peius : as euery lerned / ye and vnlerned may se / T. sayth I take away the texte from him in this one worde resurrectio : but he in this place / I dare saye / & can proue it to his face / that he corrupteth the text / & by his false translating it / taketh awaye the trwe vnderstonding therof from as many as rede yt / & beleue his translacion . Nether dothe he that saythe the soulis of the dead shal here cristis voyce / denye the resurreccion of the flesshe : for they maye / and do bothe stande well togither . Criste had al power geuen him in heuen & erthe aftir his dethe and resurreccion / & that euen the power to preserue the dead alyue in their soulis which power of god he tolde the Saduceis they knew not / & yet by his godhed he did daily execute yt : he had powr also to iuge / althoughe he be the sonne of man / whiche powr then geuen him is not idle and voyd til domes daye / but is dayly executed in the particlare iugement of euery soule departed ( yf T. graunteth any particlare iugement at al but wil saye the soulis sleape ) and then is not this the trwe sence of Iohn in this place ? that the soulis of the bodyes resting & sleaping in graue shall here cristis voice & come forthe into that very lyfe which they now lyue and crist proued it vnto the Saduces ? Iohn ( I saye ) beyng so plentuouse in telling one thing so ofte & so many ways / sayd the same thing twise be fore / once thus : verely verely I saye vnto you / whoso here my worde / & beleue him that sent me / hath lyfe euerlastyng & shal not come into condempnacion / but is passed ouer from dethe to lyfe / And aftirwarde he expressith yt playnely to be verifyed euen of the dead / the tyme of his iugement in his manhed then standing vpon or beyng present / saynge verely verely I say vnto you / The tyme shal come / and euen now yt is : Ioan 5 when euen the dead shal here the voice of the sone of god / & who so here yt shal lyue : which powr of the sone / to be receyued of the father / and in that to be egal with him declared / he resumeth the same sentence yet agen the thirde tyme / sayng . Meruel not at this thyng / for the tyme shall come in which al that ar in graues shal here his voyce & they that haue done good shal come forthe into that verye lyfe / & they that haue done yll into that myserable or dampnable lyfe . For where he sayd before / the dead shal here his voice / now he sayth for the same / all that ar in graues shall here his voyce / and where he sayd in the first same sentence / ar passed frome dethe to lyfe & haue euerlasting life / in the seconde sentence he sayth / shal lyue / and in the thirde & last of all he saythe / shal come forth in to that very and perfit lyfe / & where he sayd before / condempnacion / here at last he calleth the same the lyfe of condempnacion or dampnable lyfe / as yt is the comon phrase of scripture to saye spiritus sanctificationis / pro spiritu sancto & sanctitas veritatis pro vera sanctitate with many siche lyke / Also yt is to be noted that there is none of th euangelistis nor apostles so plentuouse in expowning himselfe with so many wordis & so ofte repeting one thing as is Iohn / vsyng thys particle ( Et ) in englyssh as myche to saye as ( And ) expositiue : that is to expowne the sentence or worde before / as when he saythe who so come to me shall not hongre / and whoso beleue in me shall neuer thirst / there thys particle ( and ) expowneth what yt is to come to Crist / that is to saye to beleue in Criste / And when he saythe : Io. vi . Io. xj . I am the resurreccion and lyfe / there thys worde ( and ) expowneth what resurreccion sygnifyeth / euen very lyfe / and so the sentence folowyng declareth yt . Io. iij. And agen where he saith except a man be borne of water & the spirit &c there / this worde ( And ) signifyeth / that is to saye of the spirit / expowning what water is in that place as Isay expowneth water / & Iohn also . Esaye . xliiij Io. vij . But & if T. wil nedis saye styll that I mocke out the Resurreccion of the flesshe / because I say that the soulis of them that be in graues shal here his voyce / I answer & aske him what mok is therin these my wordis to saye that aftir the general resurreccion / the soulis with the bodꝭ that were in graue shall come forthe into that lyfe euerlasting ? Is not this a trewe & catholyk sence ? can T. make it false ? But yet here wolde I aske T. ( yf he wolde not iuge me curiouse ) a nother question / euen this : whether that the bodies shal ryse before thei come forthe of their graues / and so comeforthe into that perpetual lyfe / or whether thei shal first comeforthe of their graues & then rise aftirwarde ? If he saythe they must ryse before they come forthe vnto that very lyfe / then is yt trwe that they shall not come forthe vnto the resurreccion / for they be now rysen al redye and the resurreccion is past wyth them / & then is my translacion trwe that they shal come forthe into that very lyfe / and not vnto the resurreccion of their bodyes as T. saythe . And yf he wyll saye / to make this worde resurreccion to signifie the resurreccion of the flesshe ( lest it be mocked out as he saythe / whiche noman entendeth ) that the bodies firste come forthe of their graues and then ryse aftirwarde / then is his translacion as trew & as lyke / As the man that lyeth him down to slepe vpon his bed in his chamber first to come forthe of his chamber before he ryseth out of his bed / lo ( reader ) here thou seist whother Tin. is brought for so supersticyously steking to onely one significacion of this worde Resurrectio . Now let T. beware lest emong so many his friuole notis & gloses in mergents some of them befownde bothe false & sclaunderouse & to litle effect . For as for my englisshing of the worde / is proued manifestly to be the very text . And at laste where T. sayth / that in his mynde a lytle vnfayned loue aftir the rules of criste &c. Ioye I thynke that siche loue may not stande with cristis rules / orels Tindals loue is miche worthe whiche hathe fayned vtwardly to haue loued me / when all this while he did but nouresshe in his breste hatered and malice longe a go conceyued & now at laste hathe spewed forthe al his venome and poyson at once vpon me .

Tindal Wherfore / concernynge the resurreccion / I protest before god & oure sauioure Iesus Crist / and before the vniuersall congregacion that beleueth in him / that I beleue accordinge to the open and manyfest scriptures and catholyck fayth / that Christ is rysen agayne in the flesshe whych he receaued of his mother the blessed virgin marie / and bodye wherin he dyed . And that we shal all both good & bad ryse both flesshe and bodye / and apere together before the iugement seat of crist / to receaue euery man accordynge to his dedes . And that the bodyes of all that beleue and continew in the true fayth of christ / shal be endewed with lyke immortalite and glorye as is the bodye of christ .

Tin. nedeth not to make so longe an holy protestacion of thys mater / for noman layth yt to hys clarge : Ioye . but let Tin. clere himselfe of this errour that he hathe wryten thryse in his answere to M. More & in his exposicion of Iohn : That is to weit that he saithe the soulis departed slepe and shall not be in heuen tyll domes daye / and yet affirmeth arrogantly and argeweth vnwysely / that whoso shulde saye the contrary / denyeth the general resurreccion .

And I protest before god and oure sauioure christ & al that beleue in him / that I holde of the soules that are departed as moche as maye be proued by manifest & open scripture / and thinke the soules departed in the fayth of christ and loue of the lawe of god / to be in no worse case then the soule of Christ was / from the tyme that he deliuered his spryte into the handes of his father / vntyll the resurreccion of hys bodye in glorye and immortalite . Tindal Neuerthelater / I confesse openly / that I am not persuaded that they be all readie in the full glorie that crist is in / or the elect angels of God are in . Nether is yt anye article of my fayth : for yf yt so were / I se not but then the preachynge of the resurreccion of the flesshe were a thinge in vayne . Not withstondinge yet I am readie to beleue it / if it may be proued with open scripture .

Ioye . Now thanked be god / that Tin. at last hath fownde oute that doctryne whyche crist nor hys apostles neuer taught / nor was not in the worlde at that tyme . God be preased that haue shewed T. that depe secrete layd vp in hys tresury / Now he thinketh that the soulis departed be in no worse case then was cristis spirit from hys dethe vntyl his resurreccion / but cristis spirit was in heuen : ergo T. stealeth awaye the resurreccion of cristis bodye and our bodyes to / But Tin. thus come home / now shifteth and seketh this sterting hole sayng that if they be in heuen in as ful & perfit glory as crist is in / or the electe aungels ( & yet of this full & perfit glory noman contendeth with him ) then he seith not els but that the preching of the resurreccion were in vayne . Tindal No forsothe : Ioye . The resurreccion is so necessary an article of our faythe that in what Ioye soeuer the soulis be / yet we must beleue yt & preche it to / orels make cristis doctryne false and saye that himself is not rysen . And here can I not meruel ynoughe at T. ignorance of the scriptures / whyche declare playnely that the glorye & ioye of the soulis is more ful and perfit when they shal haue their bodyes felows & parte takers of their felicite & ioye whom they had once as ministers of their good workis & partakers of their affliccions / then when they haue their glory alone wyth out their bodyes . For vnto this fulnes & gloriouse perfeccion Paule loked with sore sighes to come when the hole intire bodye of crist & ful nowmbir of his electe shall come in altogither aftir the resurreccion of their bodyes / sayng That all creatures longe for the delyuerance out of their seruitute into that gloriouse libertye of the childeren of god : rom. 8. & we our selfe longe sore & abyde for that adopcion euen the redempcion of our bodyes . luce . 21 For then the soulis shal resume their own bodyes not mortal but immortal / incorruptible / spiritual / and gloriouse for i. cor. 15 euer . And yf this werre not a more ful and perfyter state then the glorye that yet is but of the soulis alone / yt shulde not be so sore sighed & longed fore of paule & euery faythefull that thus beleueth of the redemption / adopcion / and libertie of their bodyes whych yet ether slepe in the duste or lyue in trouble affliccion / corrupcion / mortalite / ignomynie &c. Act. iij Also in the actis / Luke remembreth thys perfeccion and full state callyng yt the tyme of refrigery and confort of the presence of god and tyme of the restoring of all thyngis . And Paule expressing this gloriouse perfeccion & perfit glorye of bothe bodyes & soulis togither aftir the general resurreccion / sayth . ●e . xi . All these thorow fayth deseruyng thys testimony haue not yet receyued the promyse ( that is to saye the intire renewing / redempcion / & resurreccion of their bodies promised them ) because that god had prouided thꝭ one beter thyng for vs / that is to wete / that thei without vs shuld not be made ful & perfite or be set faste in their ful glorye of bothe body & soule . For then shal the vniuersal and intire corps of criste his hole chirche be made ful & perfit in hir most gloriouse and perfit state & perpetual fruicion ioyned in ioye euerlasting vnto hir head Iesu criste . But Tin. sayth he is not persuaded that they be all redye in the ful glorie that crist is in / as thoughe this were not playn in the scriptures / that crist is there bothe body & soule / and so be not yet the electe : But yet when the electe shal be there with their bodyes / they shal not haue so full & perfayth glory as criste hathe . epphe . ●

And I haue desired George Ioye to take open textes that seme to make for that purpose / as this is . Tindal To daye thou shalt be with me in paradise / to make therof what he coulde / & to let his dreames aboute thys worde resurreccion goo . For I receaue not in the scripture the priuat interpretacion of any mannes brayne / without open testimony of eny scriptures agreinge thereto .

T. neuer desyered me except his opprobrious wordis & reuyling of me were his desyere / And in dead I brought the same text agenst him / & he made aglose of paradice and sayd yt was not there taken for Ioye . heuen / where euery man may se yt taken for heuen : for crist sayd thou shalt be wyth me / whiche was in heuen . Nether is the interpretacion of that worde resurreccion my priuat interpretacion / but cristis owne interpretacion as I haue proued yt .

Tindal Moreouer I take god ( which alone seeth the hert ) to recorde to my conscience / besechinge him that my parte be not in the bloude of crist / yf I wrote of al that I haue writen thorow out all my boke / ought of an euell purpose / of enuye or malice to anye man / or to stere vp any false doctrine or opinion in the churche of crist &c.

Ioye . Here is an holy othe broken / & a perellouse desyer / yf the contrary be trewe / For here he rayleth vpon me / he belyeth me / he sclaundereth me and that most spightfully with a perpetual infamye : whiche al yf yt be not of enuy / malice / & hatered of what els shulde yt spring ? And euen here for all his holy protestaciōs / yet herd I neuer sobre & wyse man so prayse his owne workis as I herde him praise his exposicion of the v.vj. & .vij. ca. Mat. in so myche that myne eares glowed for shame to here him / & yet was it Luther that made it / T. onely but translating and powldering yt here and there with his own fantasies . which praise methought yt then better to haue ben herde of a nother mannis mouth / for it declared out of what affeccion yt sprang euen farre vnlyk & contrarye vnto these whiche he now professeth and protesteth so holely for wordis be the messageris of mennis myndis .

Tinda● Saue onlye of pitie & compassion I had & yet haue on the blindnes of my brethren / & to bringe them vnto the knowledge of christ / & to make euery one of them / yf yt were possible as perfect as an angell of heauen .

Ioye . Lo here may ye se the good purpose and godly entent of thys good man / & yet hath he by thys his vncharitable / sediciouse / sclaunderouse & lying pistle offended and hurt many a good simple man / and caused them to caste their bokis clene awaye neuer to loke on them more / nor to beleue vs what so euer we haue or shall wryte / thus hath he destroyd that whyche god hathe thorow vs hitherto bylded / and caused vs bothe / ye and the gospel to / to be euill spoken of : besyds the grete reioyse and gaudye mynystred to the enymes of the trowth / ye and some good men wysshe vs bothe neuer to haue ben borne / and saye we be bothe full of poyson . For doutelis Tindals complexion is siche / that for all his holy protestacions and holyer fayned good entents here expressed of his owne mouth / yet had he leuer marre and destroy al / and ( as they saye ) set all at six and seuen / then he wolde haue suffred the translacion of this one worde resurrectio to haue taryed & aboden the iugement of cristis chirche : so sore yt gnaweth his herte to be correcked and warned of me / but a fole and vnlerned as he bothe reputeth me and telleth yt me to my face / For in good fayth / & as I shal answere before god / ere he came to one place of the testament to be last corrected / I tolde his scrybe / euen him that wrote and correckted the testament for him / that there was a place in the begynnyng of the .vj. cap. of the actis somwhat derkely translated at fyrst / and that I had mended it in my correction and bode him shew yt Tin. to mende yt also / yf yt be so sene vnto him / and I dare saye he shewd yt him / but yet because I fownde the fawte and had corrected yt before / Tin. had leuer to haue let yt ( as he did for all my warnyng ) stande styll derkely in his new correccion where of the reder myght take a wrong sence / then to haue mended yt whyche place whether yt standeth now clerer and trwer in my correccion then in his / let the lerned iuge . The place is this / In those dayes as the nowmber &c. where / for that at he translateth wydows : I saye / their pore nedye / which includeth bothe men and wemen / for bothe were releifed by their dayly almose and the greke worde is the comon gender to bothe / and where Tin. sayth / dayly minystracion / I saye dayly almose as Paule vseth the same worde .ij. corin . ix . For aftir Tindalis translacion / yt sowneth that the apostles shulde haue had certayn wedews of the hebrewes to serue and mynyster vnto them at their tables or in other vses / and so the grudge to haue rysen / that theise wydews were despysed and put out of offyce when the text trwly and clerely translated sheweth a nother sence farre vnlyke yt as the circumstance declareth . And yf I had ben giltye al these crymes which T. falsely imputeth vnto me calling me vayngloriouse / couetouse / curiouse / sedyciouse / factiouse a sower of heresyes / a denyer of the general resurreccion whych I take god to recorde I neuer thought nor did yt / he wolde rather ( yf he had had siche a godly zele as he here cloketh ) ere he had thus openly & perpetually belyed & sclaundered me / fyrst haue come to me and warned me brotherly and paciently / But god almyghty thenseer & sercher of herte & reynes how holy so euer owr vysard wordis & workis apere / be iuge at our departing betwene T. & me . I shewed & now I shew T. agene where the scripture disalow his false opinion of the soulis to slepe / & ye se how he beareth yt / I shewd T. where I fownde fawtis longe before this in his translacion & now ye se that he do not onely not mende yt nor confesse not his ignorance but rather call me heretyke and belye me thus spightfully for my labour .

wherfore I beseche George Ioye / ye & all other to / for to translate the scripture for them selues / whether oute of Greke / Latyn or Hebrue . Tindal

Here T. is afrayd lest any man wolde steale awaye frome him the glorye and name of his translacion : Ioye . whych nether I / nor noman els is aboute to do / he wolde haue men translate for themselfe / when we be all borne to profite our neybours and for the comon we le / by hys foxisshe ensample he pretendeth as thoughe I shulde steale awaye his gloriouse name for the translacion / & yet he seith & repeteth my wordis himself calling yt but a dyligent correccion & no translacion / for yt had ben but a lye to cal yt my translacion for translatyng & mending a fewe certayn doutful & derke places . But I doubt not / but that aftir T. and me bothe / there be or shal come / which shall mende bothe our translacions & paraduenture cal them theirs / which I pray god sende vs / and I / for my parte shal geue place vnto siche one withe grete and many thankis .

Tindal For this I protest / that I prouoke not Ioye ner any other man ( but am prouoked / & that after the spytfullest maner of prouokinge ) to do sore agaynst my wil and with sorow of harte that I now do .

Ioye . If this be not a spightful prouokacion to me / thus to belye me / to sclaunder me as Tin. hath done / let all that rede bothe our talis be iuge / and whether the englisshing of that worde resurrectio be so spightful a prouocacion to a meke modest cristen man / as thus so spightfully and sclaunderously to wryte agenst me . Tindal T. sayth I neuer can nor wil suffer of any man that he shal go take my translacion and correcke yt with out name . Ioye . Lo here is a grete mater wherfore this so pacient a man shulde be offended and moued thus shamelesly to wryte into the offense and hurte / ye into the destruccion of al that is buylded in cristis chirche / and perpetual infamy of his brother / let euery man beware how he medle withe T. workis / and especially take hede that he mende not / nor yet correck them / except he put to his name / For how false so euer they be / Tin. wil not gladly haue them mended as I perceyue / thinkyng that noman is able to correcke hym / and yet vnder the cloke of hipocrysye hymselfe desyereth in the ende of his fyrste translacion other men to mende and correcke yt / thys man belyke when he translated yt / was nether man nor angell but god himselfe that cannot erre nor lye / he saythe I haue made siche changing as hym selfe dirst not do as he hopeth to haue hys parte in criste thoughe the hole worlde shulde be geuen hym for his labour . Tindal

And I saye / I haue made many changes which yf T. had had siche sight in the greke as he pretendeth & conferred yt diligently with the greke as he sayth he did / he shulde haue made the same changes him selfe / which places I shal poynt him to here after / but yet let Tindale loke ouer his Testament once agene and conferre yt a lytle beter withe the verite and greke to / Ioye . I wolde euery man wolde compare my correccion wyth his / and marke well euery change / & he shall se that I changed some wordis & sentencis / which T. aftir me was compelled euen as I did / so to change & correcke them himselfe .

Aftir that Tindals correccion was printed : yt chaunced me to turne here & there in his new diligently corrected testament so compared wyth the greke : as first in the begining of .j. ca. Ro. And there me thought his translacion was not accordyng to the text / where Paule in hys salutacion apereth to affirme that by thre thyngis especially / as the scrypture shewth yt / Criste was declared to be the sonne of god . First by power / secondarely by the holy gost / thirdely in that he rose from dethe . where the text hath / ex eo ꝙ resurrexit &c. which T. englissheth sence the tyme that he rose / knowing not what / Ex eo / there sygnifyeth / For criste was declared to be the sonne of god bothe by hys godly powr and also by the holy goste often tymes before his resurreccion & not after yt / as ye maye se hys power in doing miracles all before his resurreccion / the holigost also before yt declaring hym / Iohn . j.xv . & .xvj. Also in the .xiiij. ca. j. cor. how englissheth he there this worde / spiritus ? which signifyeth in that place the breathe / & voice of our tongue / and yet T. sayth . If I pray with tongues my spirit prayth / but my mynde is with oute frute / whych sentence aftir hys translacion is contrary to cristis sayng that wolde haue vs to praye & worship his father in spirit . Ioan . iiij . ro. j. In that chap. also what englissh geueth Tin. these wordes propheta & prophecie ? which signifie there / the interpretour & interpretacion or prechyng of holy scriptures . And where Paule wolde that these interpretours or prechers shuld preche & declare the scriptures one aftir a nother before the congregacion / & not two or thre of them all at once to avoyde confusion / For god ( sayth he ) is not the autor of confusion &c. T. euen clene contrary to the text / translateth thus : let the prophetis speke two at once or thre at once . There were some heretyks in paulis tyme which sayd that our bodyes shude not ryse the selfe same ageyn / but wother disticte & seueral bodies : vnto whose opinion ( albe it I know wel T. beleueth yt not ) yet he ministreth a shrewd occasion in taking awaye the texte by vntrwly translating this sentence . 1. co . 15 et vnicuique seminum dat deus suum or proprium corpus / ( as hathe the vulgare texte ) God geueth to euery sead his own bodye / and not a seueral bodye as T. translateth yt / For by this text Paule confuteth their heresye / that saye we shal not ryse agene wyth our own bodyes / but with some wother seueral and distincte bodyes from these which we now carye aboute . I meruel that T. calleth suum or proprium corpus / a seueral bodye / If I had thus translated these places he might wel haue sayd / I had nede go lerne my donate & accidence agene / rather then to translate scriptures : had he not yet haue sayd worse by me . But here paraduenture Tin. will excuse him by the greke or by some hebrew phrase left theryn / as he telleth some simple reders that know nether of them bothe how they make agenst me in thys worde resurrectio : & as he bosteth himselfe in the beginning of this his godly pistle & also in his prologe / saying that he hath compared the testament with the greke & weded out of yt many fautis ( & yet in some place made yt worse then it was before ) which lake of helpe at the beginnyng & ouer sight did sowe therin . Tindal If ought seme changed ( sayth he ) or not all togither agreing wythe the greke / let the finder of the fawte / consyder the hebrew phrase or maner of speche lefte in the greek wordis &c. Ioye . So that T. in his translacion / yf any fawt be fownde / wolde seme to flitte from Greek to hebrew / from the present tence to the future / from persone to persone / from nowmber to number / yea & as yt playnely apereth in altering the texte of Peter / & in altering these sayd places from the latyn texte / euen clene from the trwthe of the texte vnto hys owne vayne imaginacions / as euery reder maye wel perceyue . i. pe. 4. If he were so wel sene in the greek as he maketh him selfe / doing siche diligence in this his correccion as he pretendeth & professeth / he shulde haue lefte out some of so many vayne & fryuole notis in the mergent nothing corresponding nor expowning the texte / & haue mended mo fawtes in his texte / At the firste opening of his boke / I chaunced vpon this glose in the mergent . i. ioan . 3 Loue is the firste precept & cause of all other . And I loked on the tother syde / & there I sawe ageinst yt this other : Fayth is the firste commandment & loue the seconde / whych gloses ( except T. geue vs the thirde glose to declare & conciliate these two ) maye apere contrarye to the reders : how be it methinketh yt not good so derkely & doutefully to glose where the text is playne / that we must go make glose vpon glose / & so at laste lede men from the texte to wander in gloses as it hath bene in tymes paste : & paraduenture Tin. wolde haue geuen vs the thirde glose to / had the mergent haue ben able to receyue yt for other gloses / gloses / & al lytel to the purpose . Mat. 1 I meruel that aftir T. in his first translacion our ladie was maryed vnto Ioseph / & that now in his new correccion she is but betrouthed to him . If his first translacion were trwe in this place / why then did he correck it ? And yf it were false that she was maryed to Ioseph when she was there espyed grete with childe / how shall we proue that crist was conceyued in wedlok : which thynge Matthews mynde is there to proue yt / & luke affirmeth the same / the worde translated into this latyne worde desponsata / which worde aftir my pore lerning / by the reson of the preposicion / De / in composicion signifyeth more then the simple worde sponsata / & maketh the verbe to bere wyth yt more encrese & fulnes . luc. 1 Also this sentence in latyne folowing / priusquam congressi fuissent / Tin. englesshith / before they came to dwell togither : in which whether he hath translated trwly the mynde of th euangelist let the lerned in cristis chirche be iuges . I wolde haue thus translated it . when Mary / his mother was maryed vnto Ioseph / before they had layne togither / she was espyed to be with chylde : which was by the holy goste . For she was saluted in wedlok & conceiued criste by the holy goste / before she knew ( that is ) slept with hir howsbonde / as the order of the text & story tolde / declareth . when T. hath mended these fautes / I shal shewe him moo . And for al his grete diligence in adding the pistles of the olde Testament / yet hath he missed the kushen in many placis / & must be compelled to mende hys fawtis aftir myn ensample / orels leue the reder as yt were in hys Maze sekyng for some of the pistles where he shal neuer finde them . ● . cor. 14. Paulis mynde is that .ij. or .iij. one aftir a nother ( thoughe T. translateth two at once or thre at once contrary to the text ) may interpret scriptures in the chirche / wother men iuging & tryinge their interpretacions by the scriptures . And if aught be reueled and geuen to any other that sitteth bye & hereth the firste / the first man shulde holde his peace & here him / & not euen anon to wryte any maliciouse & contenciouse pistle agenst him / as dothe T. agenst me . Paule commandeth vs to do al thingis for the edifying & consolacion of the chirche / & not to destroye / auerte / confounde / & inquyet yt as hath T. done by his sclaunderouse & sediciouse pistle . The mynde & sence of one interpretour / sayth paule / is subiecte vnto a nother interpretour / him to expende & iuge yt by scriptures faythfully & louingly / & shal not T. interpretacion be then subiecte & iuged by wother men ? will he not suffer a nother man to correcke and mende his fawtis ? but anon must break forthe into raging & lying / writing so sclaunderouse & shamelesse a pistle vpon his brother that so wel deserueth vpon his worke ? And yf he be so blindely affeccionated as euery man is / with out the more grace vnto his owne werkis & sentence : yet ought he not to auenge himselfe on this maner / so sodenly & headely casting sich confusion into amonge the congregacion / For god is not the autor of confusion but of peace &c. And euen here / by this same troublouse touche of T. may euery indifferent reder se which of vs stode on the trwe parte / whether yt was I / in translating that worde other wyse then he did / or whether yt was he aftir warde euen continently in wryting so sclaunderouse & venomouse a pistle declaring vnto all indifferent godly & not affeccionated reders of what spirit the man was caryed . But god geue him a better mynde / and vs bothe grace to forgeue eche other / to represse al siche carnall affectꝭ that we may be bothe reviued & renewed with the spirit of peace & loue / that our spiritis departed from our bodꝭ might liue with crist in heuen vntyl our bodyes aftir that sleape in the duste be awakened with the trompet of god / & resumed of our soulis to ryse & come forthe togither into that gloriouse lyfe & ioyouse glorye / perpetually to prayse & magnifye our father by hys sonne our sauiour in the holy gost / vnto whom be glorie and prayse for euer Amen .

Tindale verely might neuer abyde yt / that I especially ( whether he so thynketh of wother men god knoweth ) shuld translate / wryte / or medle wyth the scriptures / as thoughe the holy goste with hys giftis were restrayned vnto onely Tin . & might not breath where him listeth / as though T. were lerned onely / & none but he . wherefore let euery reder be warned and taught at this ensample & greuouse tentacion of this man ( for I take yt no nother wyse ) lest as Paule saith / we be puft vp with coninge voyd al charite which edifieth . Let vs not stonde to highly in our own opinion / lest whyle we apere lerned / we proue our self foles / & while we seme to stond faste / we lye groueling on the grownde gnawing the erthe / eting & deuowering our cristen brothers name & fame / besmering & dawbing eche other with dirte and myer . psal. 55 But had it bene my enimye that thus had vniustely reuyled and vexed me / I coulde haue borne him / And yf my hater had thus oppressed me / I coude haue had avoyded hym . But yt was thou my nowne felowe / my companion in lyke perel and persecucion / my familiare / so well knowne / vnto whom I committed so louingly my secretis / with whom gladly I went into the house of god . wherefore me thynketh he shulde haue ether borne & winked at the calling of this worde Resurrectio the lyfe aftir this / sith yt so signifyeth / or haue paciently abodē wother mennis iugement / rather then wyth so sclaunderes a pistle / so sodenly to haue rente and torne my name with so perpetual an Infamye and with so many fayned lyes . whiche all God forgeue the man as I wolde be forgeuen my nown selfe Amen .

The .xxvij. daye of Februarye .