M. Dormans preface to D. Harding ( to whom he dedicated his booke ) and to the Reader , are onely omitted , for that nothing materiall was conteined in them . Of all the rest ( so farre as I haue proceded ) not one woorde of M. Dormans , either in the treatie it selfe , or in his marginall notes , is pretermitted .

There is nothing in this Impression altered from the first , sauing onely that M. Dormans euyll handlyng Fol. 3. 5. 14. 22. 60. 72. &c. of the auncient Doctours , is in some places more at large explicated : and that some part of M. Dormans treatie somewhere before diuided , is now for more perspicuitie and plainenesse ioyned togeather . Fol. 65.

THOVGH many simple soules may muche meruell at suche plentie of Englishe bookes , as are of late so sodeinly sente vs from beyonde the seas , by our countrey men there , and bothe the authors themselues doo muche bragge M. Rastell in his praeface : to continue the memorie of the chalenge &c. and to moue an expectation which part shall firste show her weakenes . &c. therein , and their fautors doo magnifie the same exceedingly : yet the learned and discrete Readers , accustomed rather to weigh and iudge , then to counte and numbre , will easely consider that it is no harde mater for our aduersaries , abounding with leasure , * * And againe he saith : specially where the nūbreis great . &c. and multitude , by common conference of many to patche vp a sorte of suche bookes in Englishe , wherein there is nothing to any purpose written , but that whiche was longe before written in sundry latine bookes , and readie to their handes , to translate thereout into their Englishe bookes , as they thought meete for their purpose : so that they be but seely translators , or borowers of those bookes , whose first authors they woulde appeare to be . In the whiche poincte yet M. Stapleton translating Staphilus his longe Latin booke , so longe before written , worde for woorde into Englishe , and not dissembling the matter , hath dealt therin more simplie , than the rest of his felowes haue doone . By whose example , the meanest men in learninge and witte amongst them all ( haue they onely a litle vnder●●●nding in the Latin tongue ) may lode vs with hauocke of bookes when they list . For it is well kuowen to all that be learned , that nothing of weight , or to any purpose , can now newly be written for the mainteinance of the Popes vsurped supremacy , or any other their matters , whiche they now treate of , but suche as hath been alreadie both written , and printed many yeres agoe , in bookes as well of the Latin tongue , as other languages , and the same to be fully answered vnto also , to the satisfiynge of the Readers , and daily winning of greate numbres of men and wemen of all sortes and degrees , from their popishe superstition , vnto the truth of the Gospell : such bookes as well of the one sorte , as of th' other , beinge rise in the handes of such as vnderstande , to such decay of their saide superstition , and successe of the truthe , as to the worlde at this day cannot be vnknowen . Wherefore our aduersaries mistrustinge that such kinde of writing , or rather translating , should not appeare woorthie to be accompted the earnest dooing of any learned , or wise man : haue doone wittely , ether to pretende that to be writen D. Hard. saith he did prepare his booke but for one friend , and M. Rastell , his booke , for one friende alone , in their prefaces to the Reader . but lightly for a priuate friende or twaine , and not mente to be printed , but by perswasion of friendes , against their owne purpose suffered to come abroade ( whiche yet they in deede haue of longe , by common conference elaborated at conuenient oportunitie to be put in printe to the publike patrocinie of their decaied , and almost desperate cause ) or els to appoincte suche , to beare the name as the authors of their bookes , as may seeme moste meete therefore , beinge accompted of all that know them , for learninge and discretion , the simplest men amongst them . The same distrust of their owne dooinges , ( or rather other mens dooinges set foorth for their owne ) may seeme a cause why they directe their writinges either onely , or chiefely against the Bishoppe of Sarisburie : thinkinge that though they shall absolutely of the matters they take in hande be hable to say nothinge , but that is alreadie saide , and is likewise , or easely may be answered : yet may they seeme abundantly to say to him , who chalengeth them that they can say nothinge at all : and who also doth not tie them streightly to the triall of the scriptures , the certaine and onely iudges in controuersies of Religion , and wherin in deede they can say nothing at all ( as shall hereafter be plainly proued ) but geueth them a moste large scope of all Doctours of the Churche , who haue written for the space of sixe hundreth yeres after our Sauiour Christes beinge here in earth , and of all Councelles kept in the saide continuance of D. Harding in his preface to the B. of Sarum fol. 1. a. & 2. b. and M. Rastell fol. 1. b. time . Out of the whiche Doctors and Councelles for that the said Bishop hath aduouched that the best learned of all the aduersaries , or all the aduersaries togeather , are hable to bring nothing to any purpose for them , he hath set all the aduersaries learned , and vnlearned a woorke , by common conference to deuise to say somthing for themselues , and against him , who affirmeth they can say nothing at all . And yet fearing least that somthinge , whiche they all are hable to say ▪ will fall out at the lengthe to proue nothinge to purpose : they haue all , like wise men , agreed , that some few shall take vpon them to be the onely authors of that something which they all can say : least if that somethinge , as it is deuised by them all , so it should passe abroade in all their names , and in time proue nothing at all , all their estimation were lost at once . And for more cautell , suche some also to be named for the saide authors , as haue not all learninge , wit , nor discretion , but men of a diuers profession , who haue yet some fight in Diuinitie , as studientes of the same , for so they professe them selues . Wherin they seeme to me to deale with vs , as did the Phariseis with Christe , who would not Math. 22. b. 16. &c. come them selues to dispute with him , but sent their Disciples , ( well instructed , and furnished with all , that themselues coulde possibly say ) to oppose him , to th' ende , that if their Disciples should obtaine the victorie , the glory of their maisters , who had suche excellent scholers , might mount aboue the Moone . But in case the scholers should be blanked , it might for excuse yet be saide , what maruell , if yonge men , and yet but studientes in the Scriptures , tooke a litle foyle ? But if the olde Doctors come themselues , I warrant you , this nue Prophet shal be otherwise handled . And yet like wise men , they aduentured not to come afterward them selues , assuredly knowing that all that they coulde say , was already vttered by their scholers mouthes , but yet trustinge , that all men did not so know the same , but that they might still mainteine with some , their olde opinion and doctoral estimation . And though one Math. 22. d 35. Doctor came , and was handled as were the disciples , yet was the rebuke but one mans : but had he gotten the victorie , the prayse had been common to them al. This is the effecte of S. Chrysostome his Luc. 10. d. 25 exposition vpon the sendinge of the disciples , and the comminge of one Doctor , vnto our Sauiour Christe . Whiche our aduersaries like men of muche discretion , haue politikely folowed . But all men that haue any vnderstanding at all , may easely vnderstande , that thei all woulde not commit the handlinge of matters of suche weight ( and for the whiche they all , as it were Pro aris & focis , for life and death , as one might terme it , doo fight ) to those few , beinge very yonge men , and of meane learninge , and small experience , in comparison , and of a diuers studie , and professing themselues ( which they can not hide ) to be yonge studientes in diuinitie : all men , I say may well knowe , that they woulde not committe suche matters to such men , without their common aduise , and helpe ioyned with ●hem . Seeinge that D. Hardinge himselfe do the plainely confesse , In his preface . that he in the vew of his worke vsed the aduise of his learned friendes : and that it is not credible , that M. Rastell would let his booke lie by him foure yeres in a readinesse , without a suruey therof made Rastell in praefat●●ne . by some of so many remayning with him at Louane . Wherfore it is not harde for any of any vnderstandinge , to vnderstande that this publishinge of their common deuise vnto the worlde , in the names of a few of the simplest sorte among them , is but a practise of policie . For they perciuinge that they cannot write nor set abroade bookes worthy to be compted learned mens doynges , doo prouide authors meete for suche bookes , as they can set foorth . Whereby they shall not onely keepe their owne autoritie and cause without all daunger , what so euer be iudged of these authors , or their bookes : but shall also maintein●●n the mindes of men a great opinion and expectation of themselues , as M. Rastell in his preface & fol. 1. saithe : I am but a comon souldiour amonge the orders of diuines and therfore I must stande behinde so manie bishops , Doctors , bachelers , and scholars in diuinitie . I will with a penknife deminish his lustie bloud . Let the olde souldiours with great swoordes and pikes kill his heresie . Veteranes , and olde Souldiours : whose brunt , when they shall come to the matter , wil be , as may seeme , of greater force and violence , than that it can possibly be resisted , * * And againe M. Rast . saith he will proue M. Iuell may be answered by a meane Scholer in Diuinitie , that he nedeth not to prouoke the best of the Catholikes lyuinge . seing these yonge souldiours haue geuen such a fresh onset . But I dare assure you that either these matters shal thus stil be handled by scholers and yonge studientes ( as they call themselues ) or if th' olde doctors dare aduenture ( which yet many doctors doubt of ) they shal handle the saide matters but scholerlike , as hath that one Doctor already doone : and I doubt not , but it shall to the worlde be made most manifest , that he hath so doone . And to speake more particularly : as it was no greate matter for D. Harding out of Pighius , Gropperus , Hosius , and certaine others ( who haue intreated of the same matters in common places before him ) to haue translated into English what he thought meete for his purpose , whiche he hath lately put abroade as his owne dooinges : so might M. Dorman with farre lesse labour , and better right also a greate deale , out of his maister D. Hardinges booke , so lately before written , borow of authorities and reasons ready framed to his handes , as much as liked him , and so of a peece of his maisters booke ( conteining onely .iiij. articles of .xxvi. ) with greate ease make vs an other new booke , as greate , as is his maisters : the ordre here and there being a litle transposed , to obscure the matter , and to make a show of new inuention : and the stile somewhat floorished with M. Dormans railing rhetorike . For they that doo know M. Dorman better than I doo , marueiling of his dooinges in Diuinitie matters , doo thinke that he hath all his learninge , not of inheritance , but by l●gacie : supposinge that he hath mette with Doctor Smith his written bookes , who of late deceasinge , did , as they say , put M. Dorman in some trust . Els they thinke , he coulde not so shortly , and sodenly , before he was knowen to be a student in Diuinitie , become a Bacheler of the same . Vnlesse perhappes he sometime stoode vpon the bridge with others , whiles the creator saide , Omnes vos qui statis in ponte , estote Bacchalaurei : dixit , & fatui sunt . But the same his acqueintance , so marueiling of his new degree in schoole of Di●initie , affirme , that in iesting , scoffing , mockinge , and railinge , he is suche a Veterane , and so olde a practicioner , that he doth plainely raigne , yea and triumphe too , in the schoole of scolding : and though they helde their peace , his dooynges in this booke doo wel declare the same . And it is not vnlikely but that M. Dorman with others , vpon vew of D. Hardinges booke , iudgeing that he , as a graue and learned man , had sufficiently reasoned against vs , but had otherwise dealte to coldely with vs ( as of purpose auoidynge glikes , nippes , D. Harding fol. 5. scoffes , bittes , cuttes , and girdes , for so himselfe saithe ) thought it good by common aduise , that M. Dorman takinge D. Hardinges reasons , and so eased of that greatest parte of the labour , should set foorth the matter , and amplifie it ( specially that of the Popes supremacie , in the whiche he saw his Maister had professed breuitie ) after D. Harding fol. 75. b. his and certaine others deuise , and not only with nippes , and girdes pinche , and wringe vs , but also with whole cartlodes of railynges ( in the whiche facultie M. Dorman excelleth ) should ouerwhelme vs , that wee might seeme to all their fauourers , not only borne downe and cleane ouerthrowen by D. Hardinge , but also by M. Dorman torne all to peeces , according as M. Dorman hath in this booke , for his parte well endeuoured himselfe to accomplishe .

Now if any doo maruell that I , not prouoked , as may seeme , doo purchase to my selfe so great and grecuous an aduersarie , as is M. Dorman , by answering his booke written , as he professeth , against the bishop of Sarisburie , I make them this answere : Though this and other like bookes appeare in name and woorde , to be written againste the saide bishop onely , yet be they in deede and meaninge writen againste vs all , as well as him : for that they doo oppugne and assaulte the cause , whiche is common to vs all with him , vnder his name onely : goeinge about through his sides ( as it were ) to thrust vs all through the hartes . Further , seeinge suche a number of bookes , as it were dartes , directed at his head , whereof the moste parte are suche , that had he leysure enough therto , yet would he neuer answere them , but by contempte of them , whiche yet not answered , might seeme therfore to be let alone , for that thei were not answerable , ( suche is , either the sclender discretion of some sielie soules , either the bolde braggerie of many malaperte aduersaries ) I thought for the satisfiynge of the symple , and repressinge of the insolente , to say somewhat to some one of those bookes : and therfore to M. Dormans , rather than any others , for that it came abroade nexte in ordre after D. Hardinge his booke . Of whiche booke yet , had I , before I did beginne , vnderstanded , ( that I nowe in processe doo ) that it had bene in substance so agreable with D. Hardinge his booke , that the Bishoppe of Sarum should in answeringe the one , in effect haue answered bothe , ( as he must needes doo ) it should for me haue bene let alone , vntill the bishoppes answere had come abroade in printe : and than , ( the conclusion onely excepted , whiche is somewhat seuerall to M. Dorman ) should it by me haue none otherwise bene answered , but onely by notinge in the margent , in what places of the bishoppes answere to D. Hardinge , euery place of M. Dormans booke is answered , whiche order I will hereafter folowe : and where M. Dorman shall haue any thinge peculiar , that will I directly answere my selfe . Now as the ignoraunce of the affinitie betwene the Maisters and the scholers bookes caused me to beginne with M. Dormans booke , as an other newe woorke vntouched before , intending verefy to goe through with the same : so in the processe of the booke , the knowledge therof did grow more and more , and so much at the laste , that I did not onely by the style ( as did Tullie Theophrastes Disciple ) but by the matter it selfe also , know D. Harding his scholar , so like to him , that he might seeme his sonne also , and spitte out of his mouth , as they say : so that in deede he may professe D. Hardinge to be his mayster of very good righte , as of whome he hath the learninge that he sheweth in this booke . And had he not dedicate the booke to D. Hardinge , as to whome of right it apperteineth , beyng as a man learned in the lawe , not ignorant of the chiefe propertie of iustice , suum cuique , he mighte haue bene iustly accused of some vniuste compilation of his maisters almeries : seeyng he is not yet his exequutor , as well as D. Smithes . This matter , I say perceiued , inforced me to stay , least I might seeme of sette purpose , though colorably , to haue hasted to preuent the bishoppe of Sarisburie in answeringe D. Hardinge , by answeringe M. Dorman : and so to haue seemed willinge , to goe before him one way in hastie dooynge , whome I must needes folow a great way behinde in all well dooinge . And were not this cause , ( which yet is a great , and a iuste cause ) I haue not suche leasure ( whiche is the common case of vs all ) as to answere that , whiche I doo heare say is already answered , and ready to printe , as M. Dorman had leasure to write againe , that whiche was before writen by his Maister : neither had I such leasure , liste I , as he dothe , blotte paper with other mens dooinges . These are the very causes why I haue staied , and as yet haue proceeded no further in the answeringeof M. Dormans booke . But when I had passed thus farre , and the bishoppes answere ▪ as the reporte than went , was not fully finished , and many good mèn muche desired somme answere , and as many aduersaries as much bragged , that their bookes woulde neuer be answered : the councell of some friendes , and suche continuall bragge of so many aduersaries caused me to suffer this little taste , as vntimely fruite , the sooner to come abroade : that suche as finde double faulte with vs , for not answeryng speedely , or fully , might in parte be satisfied . And the rather haue I consented to suche aduise of my friendes , for that by this taste that I haue giuen the readers of M. Dorman , they shall know him throughly not a lyon ( as they say ) by his longe nayles , but a lyar by his leude tales . For by the vewe hereof , they may not onely iudge of his whole treatie : but also , this principall parte , and firste fronte , ( in the whiche M. Dorman , as a skilfull man , hath placed the chiefe strength and force ) or rather this , the very fundation of the whole beynge cleane ouerthrowen , ( as I doubt not but it is ) all the reste muste needes come to ruine with all . At the least , I trust , I haue so farre satisfied the discrete reader concerninge M. Dorman , that it shall suffice hereafter to passe ouer the residue of his booke by briefe notes . And I doo truste also , that suche as shall blame me moste for not answering the whole , shal be greued moste that I haue answered so much : and that those , that shall finde moste faulte i● woordes with our slacke answeringe , shall be moste vexed in minde with our speedy answering . For as their bookes were not therfore sodenly writen , for that they came sodenly abroade , so shal M. Rastell in his praefa econfesseth his booke to haue bene begun four yeeres agoe . they , I doubt not , be answered spedely : that is , in shorter space then they were writen in . And yet all speede is not alway in most haste . For it may so fall out that M. Dorman with the whole company of his adhaerentes the Papistes shall more easily write tenne such bookes more at randon , as this is written , then be hable to mainteine and to defende directlie this little parcel of his booke , as eyther trulie or learnedly written . And thus muche I thought good to saie concerning our not speedie answeringe ( as some men thinke ) and my parcel answering ( which some men wil blame ) for the satisfiyng of some , for all looke not to satisfie , though al Dormans , and al other Papists , were altogether already so answered as they al might be ashamed of their dooinges , as I doubt nothinge , god willinge , but it shall shortely so come to passe , though peraduenture not one emongst them all will euer confesse the same .

Now that I haue so diligently and largely , and as it may seeme carefully also , answered M. Dorman ( whose owne dooynges , I affirme to be more woorthy of laughter , than of any earnest answere ) which shall . I am sure , be layde also to my charge , I doo certifie the reader , that I doo not answere the reasons alleaged in this booke , as M. Dormans , but as the reasons of D. Hardinge , of whom M Dorman hath borowed them : and not onely Doctor Hardinges , but Eckrus , Pighius , and Hosius reasons also , yea and of all those , that haue written in Latine for the Popes vsurped power , and supremacie , in whose writinges the like reasons are to be found , and out of whom D. Hardinge ( as out of him M. Dorman ) hath translated adverbum almost , such places as he thought for his purpose : wherfore I haue vsed the more diligence , as vnder the name of one , answeringe so many . An other and most weightie cause why I haue vsed such diligence and prolixitie , is this : M. Dorman though he be a weake assaylant and sclender reasoner , yet is he a great lyar , and a venemous sclaunderer : and therefore hath he sette abroade a lewde booke in deede , but not so lewde as sclaunderous : and sclaunderous not to seueral persons onely , but to our whole countrey , to our lawes , and to our gratious soueraigne , whom he chargeth as vsurping vndue authoritie : sclaunderous I say , not here at home onely , but abroade also in foraigne countreis . Wherefore whom so euer M. Dorman sheweth him selfe to be , and how sclender an aunswere soeuer might best become him : I thought it should become me , not sclenderly to esteeme the honour of my prince , my d●etie to my countrey , and to the lawes of the realme : but with earnestnesse to repell suche reproches , as M. Dorman hath attempted to blemishe them withall . Thirdelie for that the simple and vnlearned readers haue often best liking in bookes more boldely then learnedly written , and are most in daunger to creadite most lewde and sclaunderouse lyes ( in so muche that a great many for the commendation of these vertues , doo praeferre the Scholar before the Maister , M. Dorman I meane , before D. Hardinge , suche is their iudgement ) I haue therfore in answering more at large , applied my self● to such as be of meane vnderstandinge , to whom the guilefull dealinges of the Papistes can not with breuitie be made manifest . For as a serpent at a touch thrusteth in his stinge and venime : but the mischeafe in like wise can not be as sodeinlie cured , but requireth longer time , and businesse : so can not the sclaunderous and venemous lyes by M. Dorman quickely tould , be so quickely and brieflie answered , with such plainenesse , as is mete for such who are most in daunger to credite such false tales . Wherfore ( good reader ) if I shal seeme to be too prolix and tedious , yea and to careful too in answeringe so largely and diligently such a one as M. Dorman sheweth him selfe to be , specially in the beginninge till I haue made thee acquainted with his kinde of writing , I trust thou shalt the better beare with me therein , if thou wilt beare these considerations in memorie . Yet haue I laboured to serue also the learned and occupied readers turne : For I haue in the conclusion of this mine answere fol. 119. in fewe wordes touched the summe of the whole processe before , whereunto if it shall please them at the first to resort , it may so satisfie them perhappes , that they shall not neede to stay about the larger explication of mine aunswere in the formar processe of this booke . And this for my earnest aunswere to so merie a mans booke as is M. Dorman . Now as I haue not dealt with him in his * * Raylinge , Reuilynge ▪ Ribalrie . facultie , in the which I confesse him to be inuincible , and woorthy to be not onely Bachilar , but double Doctour thereof : so yet if M. Dormans outragious railinges , and shameles lyes shall cause me sometime to shape him an answere meete for such a man , as he is , I trust the reasonable reader wil consider my not occasion , but inforcement rather thereunto : not onely looking vppon my saiynges , and vewynge how meete or vnmeete they be for me : but how meete they be for his saiynges and him , to whom I doo make answere . Who doth so confidently affirme , and solemnely aduouch that if our stomakes shall serue vs to replie , he is sure that our euidence is Dorman . fol. 110. ● . so much , that sixe lynes ( to speake with the moste ) wil receiue with ease all that we haue to write . which how truely it is spoken , shall be tried , I trust , by this litle euidence that I haue here geuen in , to thee ( good Reader ) against his counterfaite , and false forged writinges : wherein is not of matter of truthe , so muche as sixe lynes any where to be founde .

That the Bishop of Rome , is the head of Christes vniuersal churche here in earth , and that within the firste six hundred 1. yeeres after Christes departure hence , he was so called and taken .

That the people was then taught to beleue , that Christes body is really , substantially , corporally , carnally , or naturally , in the 2 Sacrament .

That the communion was then ministred vnder one kinde . 3

That there was Masse sayde at that time , although there wer 4 none to receiue with the priest .

Augustinus contra literas Petiliani . lib. 2. cap. 16. Si quaeras , quibus fructibus vos esse potius lupos rapaces cognoscamus , obijcio schismatis crimen , quod tu negabis , ego autem statim probabo . Neque enim communicas omnibus gentibus , & illis ecclesiis Apostolico labore fundatis . That is to say . If thou demaundest ( he speaketh to Petilian the Heretike ) by what fruictes I know you to be rather the rauening wolues , I obiecte to you the fault of scisme , which thou wilt deny , but I wil out of hande proue . For thou doest not communicate with all Nacions , nor with those churches founded by th' apostles labour .