A Godly dyalogue & dysputacyon betwene Pyers Plowman, and a popysh preest concernyng the supper of the Lorde no lesse frutefell then necessarye to be noted of al Christen men specyally considering the great controuerses & varyaunces had therin now in your tyme. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A09635 of text S1639 in the English Short Title Catalog (STC 19903). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. This text has not been fully proofread Approx. 9 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 7 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. EarlyPrint Project Evanston,IL, Notre Dame, IN, St. Louis, MO 2018 A09635 STC 19903 ESTC S1639 20242554 ocm 20242554 23910 2240894448

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A godly dyalogue & dysputacyon betwene Pyers plowman , and a popysh preest concernyng the supper of the lorde / no lesse frutefull then necessarye to be , noted of al christen men specyally considering the great controuerses & varyaunces had therin now in your tyme .i. Corinth. i

God hath chosen the weake thinges of the worlde to confounde thynges whyche are myghtye . yea thynges of no reputacyou for to bryng to nought thynges of reputacion , that no flesh shuld presume in his sight

IT chaunced that this simple Pyers plowman com to a certeyne house where as was a daner , prepared for the neyghbours dwellyng ther aboute , At the which dynner were , iiii . Prests amongest whome , was moche resoning concerning the Sacrament of the Aultre , to be shorte one amongest these . iiii ( to make the symple people beleue that he was better learned then all hys fellowes ) sayde and declared ther that the sacrament was the very body and bloud of Chryste Alleagynge further that great daunger yt was to receyue yet vnworthely . &c. where vppon Pycets . plowman , encouraged hym selfe , yea was rathere boldened and encouraged by the secret motyon of the holy goost ( hauyng this sentence of Christ before hys eyes , that he that for saketh me before the world hym wyl I forsake before mi farther whyche is in heauen ▪ begynneth wyth the sayde preest ) after thys manner followynge .

Master parson , by your pacience I woulde aske youe a question , in the way of communycacion

Prest

Aske what ye wyll

Pyers

I praye the syr whether shall whe receyue the very selfe same body , whyche the blessed vergyn Marye conceyued in hyr whom●●e by the inspyracyon of the holye goost at thys holye tyme of Easter , or no ?

Preest

We shal receiue the same body

Pyers

I deny that

prest

Then shal we receyne some other body

pers

That I denye also

prest

Now I parceyue that thou arte a ranke heretyke

Pyers

If I am and heretike then is S. Austyne and heretyke . also

prest

S. Austen sayth no such thing I trow how be it to saye truthe I haue not greatly occupyed mi selfe in redyng of hys workes

Pyers

Swere not master parson for I beleue you well ynough . I thyncke you comber but lytel your braynes eyther with S Austens wryntinges , or yet with the holy and sacred Bible . But I tolde you before , yf I am an heretyke . S. Austen is anheretyke also

Prest

In what place . I praye the dooth . S. Austyne speake these wordes ?

Pyers

Learne to vnderstand these fewe wordes , which , S. Austen writeth in a booke intituled .

Magistra sent enciarum Iesum et non ipsum quod videbatur in cruce manducatur in altari Hoc est ipsum scꝪ , corpus quod videbatur in cruce manducabatur & no manducabatur Man ducabatur autem spiritualiter , it non carnaliter , that is that and not that body whyche was seen on the crosse was eaten at the aulter that is to saye it is eaten and it is not eaten . After this man , nor is it eaten when it is minstred accordynge to the institucyon of Chryst spiritually that is sted fastlye to beleue that we are redemed and saued by the metites of Chrystes passyon wher of this sacrament is only a remembraunce & is not eaten carnalle or fleshlye as ye papistes do roate & cry

Prest

But for al that he is at the alter in the forme of breade

Pyers

I denye that for yf he where there vnder the forme of bread the bread / shoulde , lose hys taste ? wayght and colour . Where by maye easelye be parecyued that your sayinge is false . But hys power when it is mynystred and receyueyd according to the institucion of Chryst , is there inuisible so vs Here to also apparteyneth an other saying of . S. Austen , Crede et manducasti . That is beleue and thou hast eaten . And thus I beleue that the supper of the lordes body , can be made no better by a good preste , nor worsse by a bad prest

Prest

That I graunt also

pyers

Syris not he both . God and man .

Prest

Yea forsoth .

paers

But now master parson tell me ( I praye the , in how many places can he be as one tyme , concernyng his godheade

Prest

God occupyeth no place

Pyers

That is truth for he is a spirite , and a spy●yte is where he wyll , And I praye t●● … maye not , God be in euery place althoughe he occupyeth noplace :

Prest

yea forsoth .

Pyers

So I beleue that God , is al in al thynges , as Pau●e witnesseth . And so he may be in all places where the. Sacrament is consecrated , accordynge to the instrucion of Chryste .

Prest

All that is no lesse then truth

Pyers ,

Gentell master parson : tel me

I pray that , whether occupyed that body which the bledssed vyrgyn mary bare any place or no ▪

Preest

Ye marye dyd it good man pyers .

Pyers

How many places occupied the same bodye at oone tyme

Preest

But one place at ones

Pyers

Dyd not the selfe same body suffer vnder ponce pilate and was it not also crucyfyed , deade and buryed for our offences .

Prest

Yea forsoth dyd he

Pyers

Dyd not that same body reman in the graue or sepulchre , whyles the spirite descended . in to hell ? And was not the god head with the spyrite in hell and remayned not the godhead neue● the lesse with the body / in the sepulchre or graue .

Preest

Yea forsoth it was euen so

Pyers

Syr dyd not that selfe sam body aryse agayn , on the thyrde daye . And after his resurrectiou dyd not he eate of a broyled fysh and of a Honycombe in a token that he was very man :

Prest

It was euen so

Pyers

Dyd not the body ascend in to heauen & sytteth he not at the ryghte hand of the maiestie of god ,

Prest

yea mary

Pyers

❧ Now mayster parson , where is that body now ?

prest

It is in heuen

pyers

❧ Now tell me , I praye the dyd that body euer come downe frome heauen ▪ sence it ascended , vp into heauen /

prest

No verely it neuer descended or came doune sence ,

pyers

❧ Ergo to you master parson . then is not the same body that our lady bare mynystred at the Aultet but onelye a remembrance of the same . as it appereth : not onelte by my layingout also by poutes

prest

For soth , it were a straunge matter to reason vppon before the laye people .

pyers

No syr not so , It were a very godly and necessary matter to be resoned and connuned of for by thys meanes myght the symple people learne to be ware of the leauen of suche pharyses I wyll not say as you are for now thankes be to god ye are , come to the ryght way , but as a great forte , the more pytie be

❧ The other .iii. prestes sayd

If these hobbes and rusticals be suffred to be thus busy , in readynge of Englysh heresy and to dyspute after this maner wyth vs , which are sperytual men we shal be fayne , to learne some other occupacion or els we are lyke to haue but a colde broth .

Pyers .

AMEN .