The Roman Divines he makes Harpers , and turnes our Heavenly Musitians , to play on all kindes of Instruments , and this hee thinkes a ●est worth his whole discourse .

But Instruments of a kinde doe not presuppose an harmonious consent ; Neither doe Organs of different formes necessarily exclude a concord , as this Harper would have it . * * Psalme 150. God was praysed in the sound of the Trumpet , vpon the Violl , and Harpe , with Timbrell and Flute , Virginalls and Organs , and yet no horrid dissonancie , or vnreconcileable discord to be heard ; So that although hee make Knox Master of our Quire , I cannot thinke him fit to bee a Chorister in their owne , for his skill in Musicke .

He further proceedes , and gives Knox the Horne , when all . Scotland knowes , that he brought the † † To bee brought to the Horne is as much as to be outlawed . m Sleid : com : lib: 22 : Hist: Conc : Triden : Pope and his Cleargie to it .

He puts our Private Spirit , as he tearmes it , in a Bagpipe , and forgets the Spirit that travayled in a ᵐ Cloake-Bag , betwixt Trent , and Rome .

I will not trouble you with such other thoughts , as his piping hath occasioned , but will turne the leafe , and see whether his Pen , be better then his Pensill , and first wee finde ,

A Replye to Mr Iames Vsher his Answere .

Your Father Parsons thought it an error in a Prince , to call your great Cardinall , Mr Bellarmine : Shall it bee justified in a Iesuite , to deale so vnmannerlie with a Primate , and one of His Majesties most honourable Privy Councell ? A practise vsuall to our hot oppugners , yet so little approved by their wisest brethren , vppon their second thoughts , that Mr Fitzherbert , Rector of the English Colledge of his owne Society in Rome , retracted his vnmannerly vsage in the same kinde towardes the Lord Bishop of Winchester . Neither let this Iesuite thinke , that his pretence of Religion is Apologie sufficient to plead for his incivility heerein , when as n n Replique a laresponse du se●enissime roy de la grand Bretagne Card. du Per●on pag. 1010. &c. wise as himselfe , or any of his order , gave that most reverend Bishop , the honour of his Dignity and Sea .

He telleth vs further , that his Reply discovereth how answerlesse Mr Vsher returneth . Balaam , nor his Creature never spake truer , for though the Iesuite hath presented to the world a Bulke pretending vniforme consent of antiquitie , for the Romish Religion , and the vanitie of the Answerer , it will appeare onely that he hath expressed good will , though little strength , whereby Master Vsher † † Responsa eius sine responsionibus . returneth , and remaineth answerlesse still .

Heere is folly enough for a Page , and a Painting ; but resteth hee heere ? no ; hee vrgeth 1. Cor. 4. 15 : and maketh it speake in this manner , If yee haue tenne thousand Vshers in Christ , yet not many fathers .

Heere is a Courtesie perforce , for though this Loyolist neglects the most reverend Primate his honour in State , his dignity in Schooles , and makes him but a Master , though his exquisite knowledge , & eminencie in Church , and styles him but an Vsher , yet his Sanctitie bursts forth , and will not be hid , for hee is acknowledged in Christ . But let him glory in his conceipt , as hee pleaseth , I am sure , though his faction have many * * Fryars and Iesuites vulgarly stiled fathers . fathers in Antichrist , yet they have neither many , nor any such Vshers in Christ .

After his Painting and Title , wee finde an Epistle Dedicatory to His Maiestie , which any man reading and beleiving , may thinke a Iesuite a true Subiect , for hee comes not with o o Antiq. Britan : in vita Thom: Becket . salvo ordine , as their Canterburie Saint , but will vnder-goe the tryall of his cause before His Maiestie , and submit the right thereof to the censure of his excellent wisedome : So that Ireland may rejoyce shee hath found a Iesuite , that giveth Princes Iudgement in spirituall matters , when the whole world besides , cannot produce I thinke an other , that will allowe them an p p Some give the Pope a direct power to despose kinges , Others an indirect power . Bellar : de Rom: Pont: lib: 5 : cap. 6. Quan●um ad personas non potest Papa ut Papa ordinari● temporales Principes deponere &c. tamen potest mutare regna et vni auferre , atque alteri conferre , tanquam summus Princeps spiritualis si id necessarium sit ad animarum salutem . et cap 7 Quod si christiani olim non deposuerunt Neronem &c : id fuit quia deerantvires temporales Christianis . vndependant temporall Iurisdiction .

He acknowledgeth his Maiesties vertues , which wee commend in a Iesuite , though it be but a Subiects dutie , and could wish his Pen were as strong as his Subiect . But forgetting pistoll , poyson , and Gun-powder , hee imputeth their scaring from his Maiesti●s presence to washpish emulation of Adversaries , which truelie proceeded from wel-grounded Iealousie , and loyall feare .

Did you never heare of Benedict Palmio , and Hanniball Codrett , two famous Iesuites , that not onely taught Parry that it was lawfull to kill the Queene of England , but also that it was an act meritorious ? Williams , Yorke , O Cullen , Savage , & divers others that were executed for the like attempts , Did not they charge Holt , and other Iesuites , to bee their instructors in that practicall devotion ? where did Squire learne the lesson to empoyson the Queene , but from your brother Wadpole ? q q O● E●in his breife reply to certaine odious and slanderous libells etc. 411.

These things , are not inventions springing from washpish emulation of adversaryes , but they are the confessions of such as were made Martyrs by Popish Doctrine . I will close all with that vglie Powder-plot , which was impossible to have bene invented , without the Divell , or a Iesuite , and enquire , whether these be not sufficient to barre Iesuites from ever pretending faith , or fidelitie to Princes : and whether they doe not iustly occasion Iealousie in true affected mindes , and require them to keepe backe such Vipers from their Masters presence ?

Besides this , doe Protestants feare Iesuiticall treach●ries alone ? do not your owne the same ? what made the court of Parliament of Paris , vpon Iohn Chastells attempt to murder King HENRY the fourth , to banish the Iesuites out of Paris within three dayes , and out of France within fifteene , after notice giuen , but Garet the Iesuites trayterous lessons ? Was it the Iesuites Vnity and familiarity with God , or in truth , their confederacie with Hell , that made your Catholickes of France vpon a Pillar r r O : E : ibid: 117. , set vp in detestation of Chastells attempt , to stile your holy Brethren , mali Magistri ; their Colledges , Scholae impiae ; and their Religion , Nova & malefica superstitio ?

Was it an Argument of your awfull engagements to Gods holy annoynted , that you brought your Catholick children to such a bloudie height in France , that it was vulgarly received , That Popes may tosse the French King his Throne like a Tennis-ball , and that Killing of Kings is an act meritorious , not in an inferiour degree , but to purchase the Crowne of Martyrdome : In so much that the Deputies for the third Estate , desired the meanes whereby the People might be vnwitched of this pernicious opinion ? These are the words , not of light report , but of our sacred deceased King s s King IAMES his remonstrance against an Oration of the most illustrious Cardinall Perron , in the preface . , who was a Star of the greatest magnitude in the Church of GOD. Can subiects want feare of these prodigies , vnlesse they want faith to their Prince , fidelitie to their Countrey ?

He chargeth vs further with vpbrayding them with the vndeserved Epithites of treacherous and disloyall Papistes . Againe , that we haue altered our tune , and by publicke attestations made it knowne vnto the world , that their Religion doth not any way diminish , or weaken the force of their obliged dutie to his Maiesties sacred Crowne , no not though the Pope himselfe should attempt to with-draw them from the same .

Who knoweth not Papists haue their kindes ? there are Papists in faction , Papists in devotion , some deceiued by your Cheates , others embracing your wiles . That some wee tearme treacherous and disloyall , their deserts merite it . That others we acknowledge loyall and faithfull , our experiences approve it . What doe we acquit all , because we iustifie some ? Or haue we altered our iudgments , because we distinguish your persons ?

Your Martyr Watson t t In his Quodlibe● . hath published Iesuites fidelity , and some of your selues haue acted it . And for your Cleargie , the King u u In the preface to his Remonstrance . deceased conceiueth that they deny themselues the ranke of loyall Subiects among the French , why should wee thinke the Clymate alters them ?

The most reverend Primate giveth his deare Countrimen , the Irish Gentrie of the Pale , that which they deserve , the honour of their former fidelitie , and expresseth his hope of their future faithfulnesse . The worthy Iustice acknowledgeth in temporall matters their present Conformitie , and both of them I think could wish , they were as tender of their owne soules , as of the Kings safetie . Must this iustifie your Religion , in regard they will not generally embrace it ? And because their loyaltie wil not close with your doctrine , Is there no Crown-shaving in your profession ? That they have not revolted from their obedi●●●e , we impute to their pious inclination , & natiue fidelitie , & not to Papal lines , or Popish doctrines , which in these particulars they haue scorned and abhorred . Hee proceedes .

And I not onely for my selfe , but in the name of all my fellow-labourers , your Maiesties most humble and faithfull Subiects dar● vndertake , that not one of these his words shall euer fall to the ground : but by GODS divine assistance you shall finde it dayly more and more aessured , that the free exercise of our Religion , is our strongest tye and vnion to your Crowne .

We feare not their loyaltie , what needes a suretie ? if we did , such knights of the Post were poore caution for a regall Crowne ; who teach doctrines of deposing Princes ? are they not your Brother-hood , your fellow-labourers x x Marian de Rege li. 1. ca. 6. Certè à republica , vnde ortum habet regia potestas , rebus exigentibus regem in Ius vocari posse , et si sanitatem respuat , principat● spoliari . ? who wills and commands Subiects to be armed against Princes , but your Holy Father y y Vide ▪ Buil . Pii 5. adver . Elizab. Regin . ? You will not kill a King those Perron stiles Apostat cut-throats z z King ▪ Iames his Remonstr . pag. 2. ; but vn-king him first , or make him a Tyrant a a Suarez in ▪ defens fid. ●●th ▪ advers● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 errc : lib 6. cap. 4. Rex haereticus statim per haeresin ipso facto privatur aliquo modo dominio et proprietate sui regni , etc. At verò post sententiam latam , omninò privatur regno , ita vt non possit iusto titulo illud possidere , ergo ex tunc poter● tanquam omninò tyrannus tractari , et consequenter à quocunque privato poterit interfici . , & this you shame not to commend b b Marian lo ●o su . cit : Ab omni memoria in magna laude fuisse , quocunque tyrannos opprimere aggressi sunt . . Parricide is a sinne , this you grant , but while you perswade the ▪ world you can pardon c c Chreichton : Iesuita , ad Brusseum apud Hospinian : Hist: Ies : lib: 4 : cap : 4 : Caede patratâ , si ad se confessurus veniret , tum se ipsum absoluturum esse . it when it is acted , what can Princes conceiue of this , but as of an Invitation to their butchery ?

His late Majestie demanded of Fisher , what subiects should doe in case of Papall deposition of their Prince ? but dare a Iesuite resolve this in a Princes eare ? no : his Generall inhibites him to deale in politicke matters , and therefore he professeth he will pray for Peace , that he will exhort others to suffer patiently , and that he will dye himselfe rather then to be accessarie to his Maiesties death , But for resolution of the question , ne vox quidem , he vtters not a syllable . Now these vaine complements our Iesuite forsakes , and openly professeth for him selfe , and in the name of his fellow-labourers ; That the Pope himselfe shall not remoue them one whit from their allegiance and dutie , which they owe vnto their King and Countrie .

This were worth commendation , if a Iesuite could not equivocate † † Doli non doli sunt , nisi astu colas , Plaut. in Capt. Prov. 1. 17. , but I feare hee thinkes the debt of alleagiance and dutie very small , that hee dare ▪ where his Brethren at the best are tongue-tyed , so easily engage himselfe vnto it .

And it is not to be omitted , that with one breath hee affirmes their strongest tye and Vnion to the Crowne , to bee the free exercise of their Religion .

So that if the King should but attempt to purge the Countrey of their Idolatry , and suspend their presumption therein , they could quickly evacuate their obedience , and as their mocke-Bishop of Chalcedon d d Doctor Bishops epistle to the King . saith , God knoweth what the forcible weapon of necessitie will driue them to at last .

And now hauing presumed himselfe and his brotherhood for good subiects , the next thing he intendeth to declare , is that they be true Christians also .

For my part , as one of their own spake of the Queenes supremacie , if she be not Head of the Church , would she were ; So I of Iesuites for their Religion , if they be not Catholicks , would they were ; but I confesse , I am as jealous of their sinceritie , as he was of the Supremacie ; I distaste to sweare it .

The meanes by which he would confirme it , is the generall and vniforme consent of the fathers , which hee affirmeth to be the assured touch stone to try all controuersies , and would perswade in some sort that wee jump with them , forced thereunto by our multitude of variances , and licentious wresting of the Scripture .

What dare not impudencie affirme ? wee neuer rejected Fathers , nor any other testimony of antiquity , neither denyed them their due reuerence and respect ; nay , we haue giuen them more then Papists e e Lud. Vives sch. in Aug. de civit . dei lib: 20 cap : 26 : Itaque illa demum eis videntur edicta et consilia quae in rem suam faciunt , reliqua non pluris aestimanda quam conventum mulier cularum in textrina vel thermis . Index expurg . Belgit : pag: ● : edir : Antw● 1571. Cùm igitur in Catholicis veteribus alijs plurimos feramus errores , et extenuemus , excusemus , excogitato commento persaepè negemus , et commodum iis sensum affingamus dum opponuntur in disputationibus , aut in conflictionibus cum adversariis ▪ haue done , not forced thereunto , as his brazen complexion would perswade , but out of a due regard to their diuine knowledge and learning .

Yet as we thinke , that none can know God , but by himselfe , neither how he will be worshipped , but by his owne revelation : So for confirming matters of faith , & those things that pertaine to his diuine worship , no tongue can tell , nor authority confirme , but virtually it must receiue it strength from sac●ed Page . This the most learned Primate hath declared , and it is often repeated by the Iesuite , & in fitting place shal be justisied against him .

Hee hath not yet come to his Dixi , But craues his Majesties Princely clemencie with patience to heare the evidences of each side , and hopeth withall to be made happie by his vpright doome .

What doth this Iesuite dreame of ? doth he thinke our royall Princes , like some of their Popes to play fast and loose with religious decrees ? what ; are his Arguments stronger then Gun-powder , that he hopeth to blowe his Maiestie from his Religion ? or would he begge the Defender from his faith ? or perswade the world , that his Highnesse knoweth not her innocency , that he protects and defends ?

He closeth vp , and promiseth fervent vowes for his Maiesties compleat felicitie .

And herein I am charitable to believe , that he could heartily desire that his Maiestie and all other Princes of his faithfulnes were as great Saints in heaven , as kings on earth . And so he remaines his Maiesties most loyall subiect ; which I will believe ad Graecas Calendas , when Iesuites leave to turne Martyrs f f Aug: epist: ●● : Vivunt vtlatrones , moriuntur v● Circumcelli ones , he norantur vt Martyres . Cyp : de simplicitate Praelat : Non erit illa fi dei corona fed poena persidiae , nec religiosae virtutis exitus gloriosus , sed desperationis interitus , occidi talis potest , coronari non potest . , and Mr Malone imbraceth his Maiesties allegiance by his oath .

The next thing that is presented , is a Preface to the Christian Reader .

What wil hereafter become of a a Anth : Possevin : Atheismus-Protestantium , & b b Guliel : Reignald : Calvino-Turcismus , for let this Iesuite speake in earnest , or in iest , Permissu Superiorum ; we are Christians in Print .

To excuse his long delay in sending vs this Iewell , hee vseth many pretences , and at last , as to his bulwarke , he flyeth to recrimination ; as if it were Apologie sufficient for his vnfashionable and long expected Reply , as he in effect tearmeth it , that the Answere he hath replyed vnto , lay groaning six whole yeares and more , vnder the Authors pen , and little lesse then foure in the Presse .

Here we shall finde newes from Creet : Some ten yeares since at the intreatie of a Protestant Knight , Mr Malone saith , he penned a certaine demaund . Little lesse then tenne yeares the answer was in compiling & imprinting if wee believe the Iesuite : What shall become of the three or foure yeares , since it saw the light ? surely , here is Crimen falsi , either Mr Malone , or the Iesuite hath read * * Graecia menda● . Herododotus . Besides , it plainly appeareth by the † † In the beginning of the Lord Primates Epistle to the Reader . Epistle to the Reader , that there were not tenne whole yeares from the Iesuites Challenge , being sent 1618 , to the time of the Jesuites answer , printed 1627 , which must needes convince the Iesuite of notorious falshood in this particular .

Now , as the Iesuite hath many times kept backe from the most reverend Primate his deserved titles , so in relating the occasion of his proposition or demand , he affordeth him one that was never his owne , and of a Chancellour , maketh him a Deane , & of a new foundation , Deane of Finglas . What might cause this his tender respect ? shall we imitate him & enquire whether it was his charitie ? Surely wee can not be taken with such a thought : that pen which hath endangered his credit , hath certainly crazed his Charitie , it so violently raves . It may be we inquire amisse , whilst we seek at home , did not the Iesuits fellow-labourers of an other clyme being ignorant of S. Patrick his foundation give this courtesie by escape ? thinke not such a thought ; Master Malone is a learned Divine It hath beene spread abroad by some of the Iesuites familiars , that the most learned Primate was a good antiquary : but for a divine Master Malone . etc ▪ , a transcendent Varro , and yet Dignitas Decani is a booke was never in his Library .

But howsoever he escape heere , wee haue iust ground from hence to suspect him in his farre-fetched reportes , his miracles especially , when truth forsaketh him within two miles of his owne home .

Hee ceaseth not heere , but repeates his Articles , and cryeth out , Master Vsher hath mistearmed his worke , by calling it a Iesuites Challenge , when hee propounded but a simple demand .

I confesse here , the most reverend Primate did mistake in taking him for a Champion , when he proves but a Criple . Yet pardon his escape , hereafter he will take him as hee is , fitter to aske questions , then fight combates , to begge the points controverted , then to purchase the glory and honour of a Triumph .

He declares the preparation to the warre .

Mr Vsher vpon his receipt proclaimes this , a Iesuites Challenge , prepares himselfe to the fight , buck●ls on his harnesse .

What to doe ? to warre with a Pigmie ; you are deceived ; A sling and a few stones * will best answere currish 1. Sam. 17. 40. Rhetoricke , alicentious Rayler .

He desires to informe his Reader , that for as much as the maine controversy concerneth the fathers iudgments for the first 500 yeares , in his proofes hee hath kept compasse , howsoever he hath descended to disproove his Adversary .

Here let him know , that we will follow him , in the path , that he should tread ; in his extravagant collections , and descent from the rule prescribed wee desert him ; and herein , we take no other libertie , then what he assumeth to himselfe ; as is apparant in his second information .

He hath enlarged himselfe in that article of the Reall presence : and why I pray you ? In regard of the eagernesse wherewith the adverse part doth impugne the same .

Who seeth not that the blind beggar strikes , but hee knoweth not whom ? for if he vnderstand by the adverse part , that part of the Catholicke Church , which liveth vnder his Majesties government , as his words import , he is blindlie mistaken , for who knowes not , that many in the Church of England confesse Christs presence in the sacrament , though they assigne not the manner how ? but to entertaine the Catholicke meane ( as he tearmes it ) † † pag. 44. to acknowledge , Christs presence in the Eucharist , in a sacrament all manner ; I thinke he can neither find pen , nor tongue , that contradicteth the same .

Yet what he saith , he will proove by miraculous demonstration , and surely I thinke he is better able to iustifie their doctrine about the Sacrament , by their legends , then the Scriptures , and by new invented wonders c c Alexand : de Hales in 4. sent. q. 〈◊〉 In sacramento apparet caro , interdum humanâ procuratione , interdum operatione diabolicâ . , then the venerable testimonie of the auncient Church . And it is not to be neglected what an open way to Atheisme is prepared by their published legends , and approoved miracles , whilst they dare averre , that none can beleive the scriptures , wherein are contained Christs miracles , but by their Churches proposall ; and that the same hand though not in the same manner , doth deliver their legends for the comfort of her pretended catholicke children ; although the consequence be not necessary , may it not fall out , that one finding fraud , and falshood in these wonders , d d Lyranus in Daniel 14. Aliquando fit in Ecclesia maxima deceptio populi in miraculis fictis à Sacerdotibus , vel eis adhaerentibus propter lucium temporale . Ga Biel in Can: Miss: lect: 49 Miracula dicit fieri hominibus , ad imagines confluentibus , nonnunquam operatione Daemonum , ad fallendum inoidinat●s cultores , Deo permittente , exigente talium infidelitate . may entertaine a jealousie of the truth of those miracles that confirme our faith ? e e De tribus mundi impostoribus . Italy I thinke knowes the effect of this snare , not infecting inferiors alone , but your infallible Chaire f f Io. 23. Concil: Const. Sess. 2. . And doe not your imaginarie fables herein , next to your images , and idolls , confirme the Iewes in their hardnesse of heart , to thinke Atheisticallie of our faith , and Messias ?

For working feeling in the well disposed Protestant Reader by those your pretended supernaturall events , I thinke , vnlesse it be such , as Augustine found in himselfe in reading Dido and Aen●as , an imaginarie discourse , a phantasticke compassion , you may despaire of . For we are not now to receive new doctrines , or new miraculous confirmations g g Stella in Luc. 11. 19. . We have Moses and the Prophets , let vs heare them * * Luke 16. 29. ; if any man preach any other Gospell , then that we have received , let him be accursed † † Gal. ● . 9. Wadding : Legat : Phi● ter●ii &c. sect: 3. . And we need not to be ignorant ( Mr Malone ) how the Dominicans answered the Patrons of the immaculat conception of the blessed Virgin , when they brought to confirme their cause miraculous proofes , that they were of the same stampe that Iannes and Iambres wrought in Aegypt , but let this expect its proper place .