A
BRIEFE
DISCOVERYE
,
of
some
of
the
errors
and
abhominations
,
dailye
practised
and
increased
,
amongst
the
English
Companye
of
the
seperation
,
remaining
for
the
present
at
Amsterdam
in
Holland
.
IT
may
seeme
strange
,
that
any
,
who
pretend
(
aboue
all
other
)
sinceritie
in
Religion
,
and
there-vpon
forsake
their
owne
natiue
Country
,
should
yet
notwithstanding
,
be
found
to
abound
aboue
others
with
all
kinde
of
debate
,
malice
,
adulteries
,
cousonages
,
and
such
other
like
enormities
:
And
that
so
much
the
more
in
the
dayes
of
their
banishment
and
extreame
pouertie
,
which
outward
affliction
,
doth
euen
humble
the
wicked
:
And
yet
so
farre
from
repentance
,
that
when
they
are
shewed
and
admonished
of
their
euill
dealinges
,
they
seeke
to
couer
,
hide
,
cloake
,
reproach
and
reuile
their
admonishers
of
better
counsaile
;
which
for
mine
owne
part
I
could
haue
borne
in
silence
,
committing
it
to
him
that
iudgeth
iustly
the
sonnes
of
men
:
yet
least
others
be
deceaued
by
them
,
as
some
of
vs
haue
beene
,
and
should
be
drawn
by
them
through
their
painted
colour
of
holinesse
to
partake
with
their
abhominations
and
vnfruitefull
workes
of
darkenes
,
&
to
runne
with
them
to
that
fearefull
extreamitie
in
condemning
al
other
churches
&
men
:
I
thought
it
my
duetie
according
as
my
leasure
(
which
is
small
,
&
my
abilitie
which
is
lesse
,
would
permit
)
vpon
experience
to
giue
warning
to
others
of
their
leaders
euil
dealing
,
wherby
their
people
are
deuoured
.
And
,
although
I
knowe
I
shall
object
my selfe
heerein
but
to
the
reproach
of
virulent
and
venemous
tongues
,
yet
shall
I
be
content
to
beare
it
,
that
others
may
reape
benefit
thereby
.
Neither
doe
I
this
,
any
way
to
discourage
the
true
vpright
hearted
,
but
rather
that
all
that
call
vpon
the
name
of
the
Lord
,
may
learne
to
cast
from
them
the
cloake
of
hypocrisie
,
and
the
leauen
of
contention
and
maliciousnes
,
and
so
not
in
showe
,
but
in
deed
departe
from
jniquitie
,
least
they
reape
the
fruites
thereof
as
these
haue
done
.
I
haue
already
written
to
their
leader
M.
Fr.
Iohnson
,
of
his
(
with
the
rest
of
their
elders
)
falshood
,
shiftings
,
and
other
contraryties
:
as
also
laying
to
their
charge
,
partaking
in
and
with
their
church
in
these
blasphemous
doctrines
.
1
,
That
they
held
it
lawfull
for
a
man
to
liue
with
her
that
is
not
his
wife
,
rather
then
to
reueale
himselfe
,
which
first
denyes
the
prophecy
of
Christ
;
secondly
destroyes
the
nature
of
repentance
,
and
thirdly
is
a
fundamental
error
contrary
to
these
scriptures
.
Math.
3.
2.
8.
Rom
3.
8.
&
6.
1.
Heb.
6.
2.
That
there
are
qualities
in
God
not
essentiall
,
&
that
loue
in
God
is
not
of
his
being
,
but
that
the
selfe
same
loue
that
is
in
god
,
that
is
also
in
vs
,
which
ouerturnes
the
nature
of
God
,
and
the
simplenes
of
his
being
,
and
is
a
ground
of
famulisme
,
and
a
blasphemous
Doctrine
contrary
to
these
scriptures
.
Ex.
3.
14.
Es.
43
,
25.
1.
Iohn
.
4.
8.
To
this
he
promised
answere
and
performed
it
not
,
though
he
tooke
no
small
paines
by
falsifying
to
discourage
the
witnesses
,
but
was
content
to
let
it
lye
vpon
him
vnanswered
,
so
becomming
by
his
own
confession
a
dumbe
Minister
.
Iac.
Now
therfore
I
see
no
further
cause
of
writing
to
him
,
but
will
turne
to
the
Christian
Reader
;
giuing
him
a
taste
of
their
dealing
,
both
in
writing
and
practise
,
profession
&
conuersation
,
and
yet
laying
that
to
their
charge
wherof
due
proofe
can
bee
made
,
as
the
Reader
shall
well
perceiue
by
my
proofes
,
&
their
answers
iudging
indifferently
.
They
indeede
are
the
men
,
H.
that
accuse
others
of
simplicitie
,
absurdity
,
inconstancy
in
turning
their
coates
,
of
being
hearers
and
not
doers
of
the
word
,
of
retayning
open
offenders
&
so
becomming
cages
of
euery
vncleane
bird
,
of
being
neither
willing
nor
able
to
iustifie
their
estate
,
and
this
not
alone
of
their
country-men
but
against
those
Churches
also
with
whome
they
liue
.
1.
But
what
if
themselues
haue
.
1.
betrayed
their
owne
cause
in
writing
.
2
Giuen
the
blacke
letter
of
condemnation
not
alone
to
the
churches
of
Christ
that
eyther
are
,
or
haue
beene
since
the
Apostles
daies
,
but
also
to
themselues
,
&
their
practise
by
their
describing
of
a
visible
Church
?
3.
Doc
practise
that
amongst
themselues
which
they
condemne
utterly
in
others
,
&
haue
amongst
themselues
open
and
notorious
cousners
,
and
such
other
like
offendors
?
4.
Haue
giuen
themselues
ouer
to
Sathan
,
and
brought
the
curse
on
their
owne
heads
by
wicked
and
vngodly
excommunications
.
the
holy
assembly
of
Saints
marching
in
such
a
heauenly
order
after
the
Lamb
,
whether
soeuer
hee
goeth
,
whereunto
no
vncleane
thing
entreth
,
nor
remaineth
?
whether
these
accusations
bee
true
or
no
,
let
the
sequele
declare
.
And
first
that
Master
Fr.
Ih.
hath
vtterly
disproued
the
maine
drift
of
all
his
booke
,
and
so
betrayed
his
owne
cause
,
As
Christ
alleaged
against
the
Pharises
,
The
drift
of
His
booke
is
by
the
description
of
a
true
church
,
M.
la.
to
discouer
the
false
.
This
discription
as
oft
elsewhere
,
so
also
he
hath
,
Page
196.
last
answer
to
M.
Iac:
viz.
That
a
true
visible
Church
of
Christ
,
is
a
company
of
faithfull
people
,
called
out
by
the
word
of
God
,
and
seperated
from
the
world
,
and
the
false
waies
thereof
,
gathered
and
ioyned
together
in
fellowship
of
the
Gospell
,
by
a
voluntary
profession
of
the
faith
and
obedience
of
Christ
.
And
his
meaning
of
this
discription
doth
further
appeare
by
comparing
it
with
the
third
false
Doctrine
alleadged
by
him
,
Page
158.
of
the
same
booke
,
as
also
with
the
17.
Art
:
of
ther
confession
,
where
hee
expoundes
it
,
by
seperating
his
Church
from
vanitye
,
Idolatrie
,
dissolute
life
,
and
all
false
workes
of
darkenes
.
This
discription
so
propounded
and
expounded
,
M.
Iac
:
he
thus
ouerthroweth
,
page
47.
of
the
same
booke
before
cited
,
where
he
affirmeth
,
that
the
Israelites
in
Egipt
were
Gods
Church
,
prooues
it
by
Exod.
4.
22.
23.
euen
then
,
while
they
sinned
with
the
Idols
of
Egipt
,
alleadging
Ezek.
20.
If
they
committed
Idolatrie
with
the
Idols
of
Egipt
,
how
were
they
then
a
company
of
faithfull
people
seperated
from
all
false
wayes
?
If
he
say
this
their
sinne
was
not
their
generall
estate
,
none
of
them
to
haue
for
saken
the
Idols
of
Egipt
.
If
he
say
this
their
sin
was
not
of
obstinacie
,
the
same
scripture
sheweth
that
they
were
admōished
,
v.
7.
yet
they
rebelled
against
him
.
v.
8.
And
as
for
the
nature
of
their
jdolatry
it
was
heathenish
;
will
he
then
say
that
Idolaters
in
their
generall
estate
,
with
heathenish
jdolatrie
,
rebelling
after
admonition
,
are
such
a
faithfull
people
seperate
from
all
false
waies
,
as
he
describes
a
true
Church
to
be
?
If
not
,
how
were
they
Gods
Church
?
To
vse
Tullies
words
,
P.
Qu.
testimonium
tuum
quod
in
aliena
releue
est
,
hoc
contrate
graue
.
&c.
Thine
owne
testimony
which
in
an
other
case
is
of
small
weight
,
this
against
thy selfe
is
of
much
moment
.
And
heere
he
must
remember
that
he
describeth
not
a
true
Church
,
what
it
ought
to
be
,
but
what
it
is
if
it
bee
a
true
Church
as
the
drift
of
that
place
,
where
this
description
is
set
down
declares
,
As
that
,
-
1.
It
is
for
the
clearing
the
question
betwene
them
.
Ia
:
Page
.
196.
-
2.
For
the
discerning
of
the
true
church
from
the
false
.
-
3.
Bids
M.
Iac
compare
their
best
asemblies
with
this
description
.
&c.
Otherwise
his
aduersary
might
haue
answered
,
that
though
the
Churches
of
England
agreed
not
with
that
description
,
yet
might
they
haue
beene
true
Churches
notwithstanding
;
and
he
had
written
nothing
to
any
purpose
against
him
.
Moreouer
in
the
answere
to
the
preface
of
the
same
booke
,
Ia.
Sect.
6.
M.
Fr.
Ih.
thus
speakes
:
Any
Church
though
truely
constituted
,
if
they
will
rather
abide
in
error
then
obey
the
voice
of
Christ
,
are
not
true
churches
.
And
yet
the
Iewes
in
Egipt
rebelling
after
admonition
,
are
Gods
church
by
his
account
:
how
well
these
thinges
hang
together
let
the
Reader
judge
.
In
like
manner
M.
Ih.
denies
not
.
page
87.
of
the
booke
before
cited
,
that
the
Iewes
in
Christs
time
,
yea
and
after
his
death
,
were
true
Churches
,
which
had
despised
admonition
before
:
Lu.
7.
30.
Math.
23.
37.
yet
this
which
M.
Iohns
.
acknowledges
,
M.
H.
Barrow
calles
blasphemy
:
so
well
they
agree
together
.
Is
it
possible
so
to
ouerthrow
the
maine
drift
of
his
owne
writings
,
and
perceiue
it
not
?
Or
is
it
not
veryfied
which
the
wise
man
speaketh
?
The
euill
man
is
snared
by
the
wickednes
of
his
owne
lippes
.
And
yet
this
booke
he
saith
he
did
not
make
alone
,
but
consulted
with
others
heerein
,
and
namely
with
Maister
Ains-worth
,
a
man
that
hath
turned
his
coate
as
oft
as
euer
D.
B.
if
not
oftner
,
whome
hee
tearmes
approoued
in
Christ
:
and
Daniel
Studly
an
elder
of
ther
Church
,
a
man
,
(
not
alone
for
his
filthinesse
wlth
his
wiues
Daughter
,
Iudith
Holder
and
others
.
but
also
for
supporting
of
manifest
&
shamefull
vncleannes
and
cousning
amongst
them
in
others
)
fitter
for
the
stewes
them
to
be
an
elder
in
any
christian
society
.
No
better
is
his
dealing
in
condemning
the
Dutch
&
French
Churches
,
for
despising
their
admonition
,
and
yet
acknowledge
the
Iewes
in
Christ
time
,
to
be
a
true
church
,
Ih.
viz:
himselfe
,
except
he
doe
also
by
his
description
cut
off
from
being
true
churches
in
their
account
,
all
the
churches
of
Christ
that
euer
haue
bin
since
the
Apostles
daies
:
2.
now
are
,
yea
and
3.
themselues
which
thus
I
pooue
.
If
no
church
that
hath
beene
since
the
Apostles
daies
or
now
is
that
we
reade
of
,
be
seperate
from
al
false
waies
in
their
accompt
,
then
by
his
description
and
in
their
account
must
they
be
no
true
churches
,
but
the
former
is
true
:
therefore
the
latter
.
The
proposition
is
vndeniable
from
his
owne
description
.
The
Assumption
is
as
certaine
,
as
will
appeare
,
in
that
they
account
the
very
using
of
the
Lords
Prayer
as
a
Prayer
,
to
be
a
false
way
,
which
was
vsed
from
the
Apostles
age
,
Premissa
legitima
&
ordinaria
oratione
,
ius
est
super
struendi
extrinsecus
petitiones
.
&c.
The
lawfull
and
ordinary
prayer
(
speaking
of
the
Lordes
prayer
)
being
premised
,
&c.
2.
For
the
Churches
that
now
are
,
their
dealing
with
the
Dutch
and
French
Churches
declare
it
sufficiently
:
&
howsoeuer
they
seeme
to
put
difference
betweene
those
churches
in
the
Low
Countries
whome
they
haue
admonished
,
and
those
that
they
haue
not
;
yet
to
put
the
matter
out
of
doubt
,
let
him
tell
us
if
they
account
it
not
Apostacy
for
one
of
them
,
so
much
as
once
to
heare
the
word
preached
in
any
congregation
Dutch
or
French
in
all
the
Lowe
Countries
besides
▪
Or
if
he
can
,
let
him
name
any
one
church
on
the
face
of
the
earth
now
,
that
holdeth
not
false
wayes
,
yea
euen
in
their
constitution
in
their
account
:
Neyther
shall
he
shift
off
the
matter
with
his
distinction
of
faultye
and
false
worshippe
,
for
when
hee
hath
put
downe
the
difference
,
whereby
he
distinguisheth
the
one
from
the
other
,
which
yet
he
hath
not
done
to
my
remembrance
,
then
wil
I
shew
him
that
there
is
no
church
that
he
can
mention
besides
themselues
,
that
holdes
not
onely
faulty
,
but
false
waies
also
in
their
account
,
and
that
in
their
constitution
.
Are
not
they
then
the
blasphemers
of
the
Christians
and
their
churches
?
Or
is
not
this
to
robbe
Christ
of
his
honour
?
Or
may
not
that
saying
.
Pro.
11.
12.
bee
veryfied
of
themselues
:
Bazleregnehu
chasar
leb
.
He
that
despiseth
his
neighbour
is
a
foole
.
3.
But
heerein
others
may
pardon
them
,
for
they
are
as
fauourable
to
others
as
to
themselues
,
for
except
themselues
be
agreeable
to
their
owne
description
,
after
wounding
others
,
they
haue
turned
the
point
of
their
weapon
into
their
owne
bowels
:
that
they
are
not
seperate
from
all
open
offenders
,
and
all
false
wayes
appeares
.
1.
In
that
they
retaine
amongst
them
open
offendors
:
to
giue
instance
,
one
Castle
was
noted
amongst
themselues
publikely
in
their
meeting
for
cousnage
,
and
that
by
one
of
their
elders
,
and
indeede
knowne
notoriously
so
to
bee
,
which
if
M.
Ih.
doubts
of
,
he
may
aske
his
elder
Sta:
Mercer
,
their
Deacon
:
Tho.
Bishop
:
W.
Knowling
,
Robert
Iackson
&c.
And
yet
would
M.
Ih.
with
h●s
teacher
M.
A.
and
the
rest
of
their
elders
,
defend
that
hee
ought
not
to
bee
publiquely
dealt
withall
for
it
,
because
it
was
not
orderly
made
publique
:
and
others
.
and
this
before
many
witnesses
:
neyther
did
that
Castle
shew
any
repentance
in
like
sorte
of
this
sinne
.
Besides
him
was
not
R
B.
Daniel
Studley
?
(
who
together
with
his
filthines
afore
mentioned
,
in
supporting
vncleanes
in
a
woman
a
member
of
their
church
)
did
also
refuse
to
pray
with
his
owne
wife
a
member
likewise
of
the
same
Church
,
and
yet
will
shew
no
repentance
for
thus
doing
,
though
he
hath
beene
dealt
withall
for
it
;
yea
and
worse
carryage
then
this
,
of
which
his
wife
hath
often
and
doth
continually
complaine
,
which
though
he
be
not
ashamed
to
commit
,
yet
I
am
ashamed
to
mencyon
.
I
am
sure
M.
Ih.
cannot
pretend
ignorance
heerein
,
for
hee
hath
beene
tolde
oft
of
his
euill
dealing
though
hee
durst
not
,
or
would
not
redresse
it
.
Or
if
these
yet
bee
not
enough
,
you
shall
haue
more
(
if
neede
be
)
as
Iudith
Holder
,
Canady
,
Iaacob
Iohnson
&c.
How
are
they
then
seperate
from
all
open
offenders
?
or
are
they
not
defiled
by
communicating
with
such
?
Or
shall
I
say
fitte
members
for
such
a
fellowshippe
?
If
they
say
this
is
not
in
their
constitution
;
I
answere
yes
euen
in
the
constitution
they
holde
false
waies
,
which
thus
I
prooue
.
1.
In
their
constitution
they
holde
.
First
that
the
Lords
prayer
is
not
to
be
vsed
as
a
Praye
,
rcontrary
to
christs
expresse
commaundment
,
which
is
neyther
against
reason
nor
proportion
of
faith
.
Secondly
,
contrary
to
the
tenor
of
the
words
,
hauing
the
forme
of
a
prayer
in
all
things
,
as
Our
Father
,
giue
vs
,
and
amen
annexed
in
the
end
,
which
shewes
that
they
arepetitions
not
positions
or
rules
which
are
set
downe
in
another
forme
.
Math.
77.
21.
22.
1.
Ioh.
5.
14.
Thirdly
,
contrary
to
the
vse
of
al
christians
,
that
wee
reade
of
,
as
before
out
of
Tertullian
and
others
may
be
alleadged
:
2.
They
hold
also
that
it
is
not
lawfull
for
the
innocent
partyes
,
to
retaine
the
offender
,
as
the
wife
her
husband
,
or
the
husband
his
wife
,
if
either
party
haue
committed
adultery
,
no
though
the
innocent
party
vpon
the
others
repentance
,
forgiuing
the
others
sinne
,
be
desirous
still
to
liue
with
the
other
party
in
the
marriage
couenant
as
before
,
but
haue
excommunicated
the
parties
innocent
for
so
doing
,
as
namely
H.
C.
&
one
Homes
his
wife
,
vpon
this
,
diuers
of
them
accused
themselues
of
adulterye
,
that
so
they
might
be
ridde
of
their
wiues
,
as
namely
one
W.
Holder
and
Tho:
Canady
.
3.
They
haue
altered
many
thinges
which
they
held
in
their
constitution
,
as
among
other
,
that
it
was
not
lawful
for
Apostates
to
beare
office
,
then
must
they
confesse
that
they
did
hold
false
waies
in
their
constitution
,
and
so
by
consequent
,
then
were
no
,
true
Churches
.
4
But
what
would
it
profit
them
to
be
free
from
false
waies
in
their
constitution
,
if
their
practise
bee
not
according
to
their
profession
?
This
(
to
vse
their
owne
wordes
)
makes
their
sin
the
more
greeuous
.
M
H
:
And
sith
their
knowledge
is
but
in
part
aswell
as
their
loue
,
are
not
they
as
well
as
others
subiect
to
erre
in
constitution
as
well
as
practise
?
If
M.
Fr:
Iohnson
with
his
other
helpers
should
yet
finde
out
a
further
shift
,
&
say
that
their
meaning
in
their
description
afore
mentioned
,
is
,
that
A
true
church
must
be
seperate
from
all
false
waies
,
which
they
see
,
for
the
preuenting
of
them
therein
,
I
answere
:
1.
If
they
had
ment
onely
such
false
waies
,
it
had
beene
needefull
in
the
description
to
haue
implyed
so
much
.
2.
Though
they
haue
beene
already
pressed
with
exceptions
against
this
discription
,
yet
haue
they
no where
as
yet
taken
vp
this
starting
hole
that
I
can
perceiue
.
3.
Yet
if
now
they
should
,
they
haue
stopped
it
themselues
,
Page
.
107.
108.
127.
of
his
last
answere
to
M.
Iac.
and
in
other
places
of
their
writings
.
4.
Let
them
minde
,
whether
enough
hath
not
beene
shewed
them
for
the
clearing
of
these
errors
in
their
constitution
before
cited
.
5.
Whether
they
giue
not
their
aduersaries
aduantage
if
they
should
thus
answere
:
Besides
that
there
bee
false
waies
,
which
though
they
were
held
of
ignorance
,
would
disanul
a
company
so
gathered
,
from
being
Gods
Church
notwithstanding
.
Thus
haue
they
paued
their
way
with
snares
,
to
entrappe
themselues
.
Had
not
the
simple
neede
to
take
heede
how
they
take
vp
wares
vpon
their
credit
?
And
haue
they
not
abused
the
world
that
publish
in
print
,
Ia.
that
they
neyther
receiue
nor
retaine
any
such
as
care
not
how
they
borrow
and
make
no
conscience
to
pay
againe
?
I
doubt
not
but
their
owne
hearts
know
how
false
this
is
,
in
Io.
Nicholas
and
others
.
And
heere
it
shall
not
be
amisse
to
put
downe
a
briefe
opposition
betweene
their
true
description
of
a
visible
Church
,
and
their
practise
:
that
so
the
Reader
may
the
better
perceiue
the
difference
between
their
profession
&
practise
,
&
this
onelye
in
some
few
knowne
particulars
,
by
this
description
.
First
for
the
Pastor
:
1.
The
Pastor
must
bee
indued
with
much
patience
:
but
their
Pastor
with
much
impaciencye
,
as
hath
appeared
not
alone
in
his
dealing
with
M.
Ad
:
and
his
Brother
G
:
I.
and
his
threatning
to
forsake
his
owne
congregation
when
he
was
crossed
of
his
minde
:
Of
his
booke
entituled
A
discourse
of
certaine
troubles
and
excom.
&c.
all
which
are
discouered
alreadye
by
his
brother
:
Page
126.
143.
144.
and
knowne
to
be
true
by
other
witnesses
,
but
also
in
other
particulars
whereof
some
shall
be
after
mencioned
An
angry
man
stirreth
vp
strife
and
a
furious
man
aboundeth
intransgression
.
2.
The
Pasto●
of
the
true
Church
must
be
louing
&
compassionate
,
but
their
Pastor
vnnatural
&
vnmerciful
,
&
that
to
his
own
father
,
yea
for
the
time
which
his
Father
was
with
his
Brother
G.
I.
hee
would
not
so
much
as
once
see
him
,
or
relieue
his
necessitie
,
so
true
it
is
,
that
he
that
begetteth
a
foole
,
begetteth
himselfe
sorrow
,
as
the
wise
man
speaketh
.
For
the
teacher
.
1.
The
teacher
of
a
true
Church
is
sincere
:
their
teacher
steined
with
Hypocrisie
,
as
in
his
dealing
concerning
G.
I
,
M.
Sl
:
2.
The
teacher
of
a
true
Church
must
bee
vnreprooueable
:
3
,
The
teacher
of
the
true
Church
must
take
diligent
care
to
keepe
the
Church
from
errors
:
their
teacher
hath
beene
a
meanes
to
bring
in
,
and
defend
false
Doctrines
,
as
the
latter
of
those
two
before
mencioned
and
others
that
may
bee
alleaged
.
For
the
Elders
:
1.
The
Elders
of
a
true
Church
must
bee
indued
with
the
spirit
of
God
:
their
Elder
Da:
St:
with
the
spirit
of
vncleanes
.
2.
The
Elders
of
a
true
church
must
see
the
lawes
of
God
kept
:
their
Elder
would
defend
the
transgressing
of
them
in
himselfe
and
others
.
3.
The
Elders
of
a
true
church
doe
gouerne
their
owne
houses
orderly
:
but
the
Elders
mencioned
most
disorderly
as
else
where
is
cited
.
4.
The
Elders
aforesaid
must
bee
louing
:
their
Elder
D
:
St:
cruell
and
tyranicall
,
in
so
much
that
some
of
their
owne
members
haue
complained
,
5.
The
elders
of
a
true
church
,
must
be
vnreprooueable
:
but
their
Elder
St:
Mer:
hath
(
as
their
teacher
)
beene
noted
for
Apostasie
.
For
the
Deacons
:
1.
The
Deacons
of
the
true
Church
of
Christ
,
must
haue
a
pure
conscience
&
must
not
bee
giuen
to
filthy
lucre
.
But
their
Deacon
Christoph
:
Bow
:
for
his
deceiuing
of
many
poore
,
euen
of
their
owne
companye
,
of
halfe
that
which
the
Magistrates
of
Narden
had
giuen
them
weekelye
,
was
thereupon
(
when
it
came
to
light
)
through
widdow
Colgates
meanes
called
Iudas
the
purse-bearer
in
Narden
for
so
doing
:
Not
to
speake
of
many
such
like
instances
that
by
him
may
be
giuen
.
And
for
the
Elders
ioyntly
:
1.
The
church
of
Christ
doe
priuately
admonish
a
priuate
sin
of
a
holy
&
louing
affection
:
but
their
Elders
could
call
,
R
:
W
:
before
them
in
the
first
place
,
for
a
priuate
thing
:
&
threaten
her
excommunication
for
that
which
after
ward
for
shame
they
let
fall
.
And
for
the
peoples
vncleanes
,
cousning
,
disgracing
,
backe-biting
,
&
vndermining
one
of
another
amongst
themselues
,
it
is
a
thing
so
common
and
well
knowne
of
them
at
home
and
abroad
,
that
I
neede
not
in
this
place
to
speake
further
of
it
,
heauen
and
earth
can
beare
me
witnesse
against
them
in
those
things
:
oh
that
they
would
apply
vnto
themselues
and
their
practise
that
which
the
Prophet
Ieremie
speakes
!
Will
they
steale
,
murther
and
commit
adulterie
&c.
And
yet
crie
the
temple
of
the
Lord
,
the
temple
of
the
Lord
?
Are
these
then
this
beautifull
?
yea
moste
wonderful
church
,
rauishing
the
sences
to
conceiue
of
it
?
are
these
the
Saints
then
marching
in
such
a
heauenly
and
gracious
aray
,
where
euery
stone
hath
his
beauty
,
his
burthen
,
and
his
order
,
where
no
law
is
wrongfully
wrested
,
or
wilfully
neglected
,
no
truth
hid
or
peruerted
?
or
rather
haue
they
not
deluded
many
poore
soules
,
with
such
sweete
wordes
,
who
when
they
haue
seene
their
estate
,
and
their
expectations
so
frustrated
haue
vsed
these
wordes
:
They
neede
neuer
seperate
themselues
,
Certainely
this
their
description
of
a
visible
Church
is
as
cleare
a
testimony
,
and
as
pregnant
a
sentence
of
condemnation
against
themselues
and
their
practise
as
may
be
possible
.
But
yet
that
their
hypocrisie
may
further
appeare
,
let
me
giue
the
reader
a
taste
also
of
their
dealing
in
condemning
others
,
euen
in
those
things
that
they
would
and
doe
practise
themselues
,
&
that
in
these
particulers
.
1.
They
condemne
others
,
2.
For
making
men
to
sweare
to
accuse
themselues
,
Page
.
63
Iohn
Landen
.
yet
M.
Ih.
practised
the
same
to
one
I.
L
,
and
it
is
moreouer
a
common
practise
among
them
,
both
publikely
and
priuately
,
so
to
doe
,
yet
would
their
Elder
Dan
,
Studly
neuer
so
much
as
denye
the
matter
of
incest
with
his
wiues
Daughter
,
for
the
clearing
of
himselfe
,
though
hee
were
requested
for
the
satisfying
of
weake
Btetheren
so
to
doe
.
3.
They
condemne
the
Dutch
churches
,
M.
Iohnson
with
the
rest
could
offer
to
receiue
M.
Deuksberies
childe
to
Baptisme
,
and
were
offended
at
G
:
I
:
4.
In
like
manner
doe
they
deale
with
the
Dutch
churches
of
Amsterdam
,
M.
Iohnson
to
vrge
others
to
ioyne
to
them
:
(
which
for
diuers
disorders
amongst
them
would
not
so
doe
)
could
alleadge
that
there
was
no
warrant
for
two
seuerall
churches
to
be
in
one
city
in
the
scriptures
.
5.
In
the
place
aboue
quoted
,
they
giue
the
like
sentence
against
the
Dutch
and
French
Churches
,
for
deciding
matters
by
the
elders
,
without
the
body
of
the
church
,
and
not
suffring
in
this
respect
the
18.
of
Mat
rightly
to
be
obserued
amongst
them
:
and
yet
their
Elders
,
viz:
M.
Fr:
Ih.
and
his
fellowes
,
could
decide
one
T.
Canadyes
matter
,
who
had
accused
himselfe
to
be
rid
of
his
wife
,
W
,
H
could
bee
seperate
from
his
wife
on
his
owne
accusation
of
himselfe
of
adultery
,
&
he
could
not
.
And
further
to
iustify
the
bringing
of
matters
in
the
third
place
to
their
Elders
(
for
so
they
practise
before
the
matter
bee
brought
to
the
whole
church
)
they
could
alleadge
the
very
same
reasons
against
M.
P.
that
they
had
before
condemned
in
the
Dutch.
And
for
the
18
,
of
Mat.
how
it
is
made
a
matter
of
partialitie
and
enuie
,
yea
a
cloake
to
couer
filthines
withal
at
euery
pinch
amongst
them
,
would
grieue
ones
heart
to
consider
.
6.
They
condemne
the
Dutch
&
French
aforesaid
for
worshipping
God
in
the
Idoll
Temples
of
Antichrist
,
yet
themselues
suffer
their
poore
to
receiue
the
almes
of
the
Dutch
,
which
is
a
Sacrifice
,
Phil
4.
18.
in
the
same
place
:
and
if
they
giue
thanks
in
receiuing
their
almes
(
as
duety
both
to
God
&
man
bindes
them
to
doe
)
Then
doe
they
likewise
worship
God
in
the
Idoll
Temples
:
neyther
will
it
helpe
them
to
say
that
it
is
not
publique
worship
,
which
if
they
could
prooue
,
yet
the
commaundement
Deut.
12.
if
it
be
moral
,
as
they
account
it
,
and
must
bee
executed
on
these
temples
,
then
no
ciuill
vse
of
them
may
be
had
at
all
;
much
lesse
spirituall
.
7.
They
witnesse
against
the
Dutch
,
for
vsing
the
censure
of
suspension
:
And
yet
themselues
,
could
suspend
M.
S
many
moneths
together
before
his
excommunication
,
a
man
for
learning
&
giftes
worthy
of
his
preferment
among
the
dutch
,
and
to
good
too
be
of
their
fellowship
.
They
condemne
in
others
nonresidency
,
H.
I.
And
yet
their
Deacon
D.
Br.
could
neere
three
quarters
of
a
yere
be
absent
from
their
church
,
saue
that
twise
or
thrice
,
about
his
Maisters
businesse
,
hee
came
ouer
from
London
to
Amsterdam
to
buye
and
sell
wares
.
And
this
without
any
leaue
of
their
church
at
Amsterdam
so
to
doe
.
9.
Lastly
,
[
a
](A15110-e2710-b)
a
M.
Fr:
Ih
:
and
the
rest
.
men
obserue
these
holy
daies
as
much
as
the
Dutch
,
as
well
in
shutting
their
shops
,
as
also
hauing
their
publique
meetings
for
worshippe
on
these
daies
:
Neyther
haue
they
in
so
many
yeares
space
had
time
to
debate
and
discusse
this
matter
among
them
,
Ia
:
as
M.
Ioh.
Answered
,
Sect.
3.
to
the
Preface
,
fiue
yeares
agoe
.
But
it
would
be
long
and
teadious
to
bring
the
manifolde
examples
that
in
this
kinde
may
be
alleadged
,
but
vntill
further
ananswere
,
these
may
suffice
.
Now
let
me
aske
them
,
Are
these
things
euill
in
others
and
good
in
them
?
or
as
the
Poet
speakes
iustum
non
iustum
non
iustum-iustum
quod
vobis
labet
:
Medea
in
Ouid
,
video
meliora
proboque
deteriora
sequor
?
But
rather
wil
they
heare
the
Apostle
Rom.
2
,
1.
3.
What
art
thou
that
condemnest
another
and
doest
the
same
?
Or
the
prophet
Ps.
50.
16
,
Why
takest
thou
my
word
in
thy
mouth
&
hatest
to
be
reformed
?
Or
Christ
himselfe
,
hypocrite
first
cast
the
beame
out
of
thine
owne
&c
Mat.
7.
5.
One
would
little
thinke
that
knew
not
their
euill
dealing
that
euer
they
would
snatch
vp
that
to
serue
their
owne
turne
,
which
they
condemne
in
others
.
And
heere
although
I
might
declare
their
false
and
impertinent
allegation
of
Scripture
,
as
if
it
were
no
sinne
to
take
the
name
of
God
in
vaine
&
make
the
Scripture
serue
their
fancy
;
but
because
this
hath
beene
done
already
in
part
by
G
,
I.
in
his
booke
page
85
,
which
yet
lyeth
on
them
vnanswered
,
and
vpon
further
occasion
may
be
further
manifested
:
I
will
pastle
by
this
,
as
also
their
false
accusations
of
whole
Chuches
,
as
will
appeare
by
comparing
the
7.
[
a
](A15110-e2860-b)
a
Neh.
6.
8.
Pro.
24.
28.
Confess
:
with
Iun
:
let
:
page
.
54
accusation
,
with
the
practice
of
the
Duch
Churches
,
and
come
to
the
4.
thing
that
I
proposed
,
namely
,
to
shewe
how
they
haue
drawne
the
cursse
of
God
on
themselues
by
rash
,
vniust
and
wicked
excomunication
.
1
And
heere
I
may
speak
of
27
or
there
abouts
euen
one
halfe
of
them
,
at
that
time
,
and
that
of
the
elder
sorte
:
which
all
within
a
very
short
space
were
cast
out
for
refusing
to
come
being
sent
for
,
to
the
meeting
of
the
other
part
,
although
they
answered
,
that
on
the
suddaine
they
could
not
come
at
so
short
space
and
warning
,
for
diuers
busines
,
but
would
come
at
any
other
time
which
on
both
sides
should
bee
thought
conuenient
,
And
although
one
of
them
H.
A.
was
distracted
in
minde
:
but
they
spared
none
,
&
this
excommunication
was
confirmed
by
the
Pastor
M.
Ih.
Howbeit
,
afterward
was
this
excommunication
repealed
with
fasting
and
prayer
,
and
acknowledged
to
be
rash
and
vniust
,
and
all
receiued
in
againe
,
and
they
that
withstood
their
receauing
in
,
were
on
the
other
side
excommunicated
.
C.
S.
they
were
all
turned
out
againe
.
Such
dallying
with
the
Lords
ordnances
is
fearefull
.
2.
As
also
how
they
deliuered
diuers
to
Sathan
for
hearing
the
word
preached
in
the
Dutch
church
,
though
some
were
encouraged
by
their
pastor
and
teacher
so
to
doe
,
and
promised
to
bee
borne
out
in
it
by
themselues
,
as
namely
M.
S.
yet
after
they
brake
,
promise
with
him
&
cast
him
out
.
3.
Or
what
will
they
say
to
this
?
M.
Iohnson
with
diuers
others
of
their
leaders
,
put
downe
reasons
vnder
their
hands
,
that
Apostates
might
:
not
beare
office
from
the
Scriptures
,
and
so
practised
;
yet
after
that
M.
Ainsworthes
Apostasie
was
discouered
,
to
keepe
him
in
office
,
they
altered
their
judgement
and
practise
,
and
those
that
would
not
be
brought
to
their
will
,
M.
Ad.
for
lesse
Apostasie
was
not
suffered
to
beare
an
inferior
office
among
them
.
Besides
,
W.
A.
for
recalling
a
former
Schisme
;
yet
the
said
W.
A.
did
&
still
doth
stand
to
that
acknowledgement
which
was
vnder
his
hand
,
wherewith
all
they
were
satisfied
.
Of
this
I
with
others
haue
written
to
them
,
but
could
get
no
answere
;
M.
Ih.
with
the
rest
refused
vtterly
to
be
tryed
by
them
.
5.
Others
they
haue
likewise
accursed
,
that
being
the
parties
innocent
desired
to
liue
with
the
parties
offendors
,
as
man
and
wife
together
,
as
before
they
did
in
the
marriage
couenant
,
vpon
forgiuenes
of
their
sin
of
adultery
as
already
is
mencioned
in
H
C.
&
one
Homes
his
wife
.
Another
woman
they
excommunicated
,
because
the
brought
not
her
Childe
to
Baptisme
to
them
,
when
her
husband
had
forbid
her
in
any
case
so
to
doe
,
who
had
likewise
reprooued
diuers
grosse
abuses
amongst
them
,
and
could
receiue
neyther
answere
nor
due
repentance
thereof
from
them
;
the
woman
alleaged
that
Tymothies
mother
was
a
faithfull
woman
,
and
one
that
brought
vp
herson
in
the
feare
of
God
from
his
Child-hood
,
yet
did
she
not
circumcise
him
:
and
no
other
cause
mencioned
,
but
that
his
Father
was
a
Grecian
.
1.
Tim.
4.
6.
2.
Tim.
1.
5.
Act.
16
,
3.
whereunto
shee
could
get
no
answere
.
Their
[
a
](A15110-e3160-b)
a
And
the
onely
Doctor
in
the
world
in
their
account
.
Doctor
indeede
said
,
that
Tymothies
mother
was
dead
,
and
so
he
might
haue
said
of
Moses
,
and
the
Prophets
too
.
Their
Pastor
Maister
F.
I.
made
doubt
of
that
Scripture
,
and
staid
her
excommunication
,
as
saying
he
would
not
consent
to
it
:
yet
after
the
woman
had
a
little
vnfoulded
his
euill
dealing
,
the
same
Maister
F.
Ih.
at
the
same
time
,
could
change
his
note
and
say
,
if
that
none
else
would
,
yet
would
he
be
the
man
that
should
excommunicate
her
.
And
indeede
afterward
they
so
did
,
and
all
that
would
not
yeild
to
her
excommunication
,
as
namely
Mistris
S.
Widdowe
Ch:
and
R.
R.
though
the
chiefe
[
b
](A15110-e3240-b)
b
The
head
skout
.
magistrate
of
the
cittie
forbid
them
so
to
doe
.
Diuers
other
reasons
were
alleadged
about
this
matter
,
which
we
shal
haue
time
to
relate
,
after
that
we
haue
seene
their
answere
to
this
,
if
they
will
be
at
leasure
so
to
doe
.
Now
may
I
not
wish
that
they
had
not
verified
the
Orators
saying
?
He
that
once
passeth
the
boundes
of
modesty
,
becommeth
impudent
out
of
measure
.
Thus
doe
they
abuse
the
holy
ordinance
of
God
to
satisfie
their
owne
reuenging
stomacks
,
non
it
a
precipitanter
in
quenquam
torquendum
.
Is
this
the
long
suffering
spirit
of
meekenes
in
recouering
and
seeking
the
lost
?
Or
doe
they
not
knowe
that
the
curse
is
not
in
vaine
,
if
it
cleaues
not
to
them
to
whome
it
is
giuen
it
lights
on
the
giuer
?
Are
not
then
their
Bulls
of
excommunications
so
many
curses
on
their
owne
pates
?
shall
I
say
to
vse
their
owne
allegation
out
of
the
Prophet
,
As
he
loued
cursing
so
shall
it
come
vnto
him
,
and
as
he
loued
not
blessing
,
so
shall
it
be
farre
from
him
,
and
as
hee
cloathed
himselfe
with
cursing
like
a
rayment
,
so
shall
it
come
into
his
bowells
like
water
,
and
like
oyle
into
his
bones
?
Surelye
God
that
will
not
holde
him
guiltles
that
taketh
his
name
in
vaine
,
And
for
some
of
them
that
are
by
these
accursed
I
know
they
haue
learned
Christ
otherwise
then
so
,
as
to
feare
the
cursse
causeles
.
The
Lord
promised
to
Abraham
whose
children
they
are
,
euen
manye
which
they
haue
cast
out
,
that
hee
would
blesse
them
that
blesse
thee
,
and
curse
them
that
cursse
thee
.
&c.
And
let
them
say
as
Dauid
of
Shimei
,
It
may
bee
the
Lord
will
doe
us
good
for
their
cursing
this
day
,
yea
,
let
them
acknowledge
Gods
goodnesse
towards
them
in
drawing
them
out
of
their
Tents
,
as
I
doe
his
mercy
towards
me
in
keeping
me
from
ioyning
with
them
,
being
yet
sometimes
addicted
too
much
vnto
them
,
before
I
perceiued
their
fearefull
estate
.
I
could
cite
many
other
things
yet
viler
,
as
their
Sauadge
and
cruell
dealing
to
fatherlesse
Children
:
as
namely
Maister
P.
and
Maister
B.
his
Children
,
and
other
such
like
.
But
I
like
not
now
to
saile
further
in
this
Ocean
,
but
will
content
my selfe
with
the
confession
of
their
owne
members
,
W.
C.
I
thought
(
said
he
)
that
they
had
beene
all
Saints
,
but
I
haue
found
them
all
deuils
,
and
this
before
many
witnesses
:
yet
is
this
man
still
a
member
amongst
them
.
And
for
these
excommunicators
the
Lord
giue
them
grace
to
repent
,
that
they
may
neuer
haue
their
portion
among
the
cursed
,
to
heare
that
fearefull
sentence
,
Goe
ye
cursed
:
which
is
the
thing
I
wish
them
from
my
heart
.
Amen
.
Since
then
they
haue
confuted
their
owne
writings
,
and
giuen
the
black
sentence
of
condemnation
to
the
other
Churches
of
Christ
that
haue
beene
,
yea
and
themselues
,
by
their
description
,
and
practise
that
amongst
themselues
which
they
condemne
in
others
:
let
others
take
heede
howe
they
pertake
in
their
sinnes
,
least
also
they
taste
of
their
fond
excommunications
.
And
for
the
prophane
(
not
to
speake
here
of
the
popish
faction
drowned
in
superstition
,
whole
fruites
are
treachery
)
let
them
not
heerby
be
hardned
the
more
in
their
sinne
,
&
prophanes
,
but
rather
seeing
they
that
ftriue
if
they
striue
not
lawfully
,
doe
yet
misse
of
the
marke
they
ayme
at
;
what
shall
bee
the
end
of
those
that
set
not
forward
at
all
in
the
waies
of
God
?
let
them
remember
that
the
gate
is
straite
and
the
way
narrow
that
leadeth
to
life
,
Hee
that
causeth
the
righteous
to
goe
astray
by
an
euill
way
,
shall
fall
into
his
owne
pit
.
Pro.
28.
10.
Thine
in
Christ
,
Tho:
White
.
Since
I
had
finished
this
treatise
,
I
heare
that
Tho:
Canady
before
mencioned
,
hath
liued
in
Sodometry
with
his
Boy
,
as
the
Apostle
speakes
of
the
heathen
,
men
with
men
wrought
filthines
,
&c.
and
notwithstanding
his
great
wayling
,
is
now
cast
out
,
wherin
it
seemeth
they
haue
forgotten
their
wonted
allegation
:
If
thy
brother
sinne
against
thee
not
alone
vntil
seuen
times
,
but
seuenty
times
seauen
,
thou
shalt
for
giue
him
;
If
hee
returne
againe
and
say
it
repenteth
me
&c.