Positions of the vvord Hades that it is the generall place of soules: and holdeth as vvell the godly vvhich are in paradise, as the vvicked that are in Tartarus. With a catalogue of our heresies, from which one word handled by a right Grecian would haue saued vs. To the BB. of England. By Hugh Broughton 1605. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A16998 of text S119114 in the English Short Title Catalog (STC 3879). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. This text has not been fully proofread Approx. 11 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 9 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. EarlyPrint Project Evanston,IL, Notre Dame, IN, St. Louis, MO 2018 A16998 STC 3879 ESTC S119114 99854321 99854321 19735 2240899342

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Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A16998) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 19735) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1475-1640 ; 1340:26) Positions of the vvord Hades that it is the generall place of soules: and holdeth as vvell the godly vvhich are in paradise, as the vvicked that are in Tartarus. With a catalogue of our heresies, from which one word handled by a right Grecian would haue saued vs. To the BB. of England. By Hugh Broughton 1605. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612. [2], 14 p. S.n.], [Amsterdam? : 1605. Place of publication suggested by STC. Ends on A? In both copies A8v has the catchword "done so:", but this is possibly an error in the position of the words. One copy has added at the foot in contemporary manuscript "finis" --STC. Reproduction of the original in the Bodleian Library. eng Future life -- Early works to 1800. Hell -- Early works to 1800. eebo Positions of the vvord Hades: that it is the generall place of soules: and holdeth as vvell the godly vvhich are in paradise, as the vvicked that are Broughton, Hugh, 1605 17 2076 5 0 0 0 0 0 24.08 C The rate of 24.08 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2005-08 Assigned for keying and markup 2005-09 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-10 Sampled and proofread 2005-10 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-01 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion

POSITIONS OF THE WORD Hades :

THAT IT IS the generall place of Soules : and holdeth as well the Godly which are in Paradise , as the wicked that are in Tartarus .

WITH A CATALOGVE of our heresies , from which one word handled by a right Grecian would haue saued vs .

TO the BB. of England .

BY HVGH BROVGHTON 1605.

OF HADES , THE place of Soules : diuerse speches wher it is .

1. The Greeks vniuersally since their tongue hath bene in record , holding truly in speach , that mans soule is immortall , Place the soules of the dead in Hades . But wher they should place it , that could not be knowen of them which had not faith to perceaue that by the word of God two worldes were made .

2. Saturne and Iapetus , sent of Iuppiter into Hades , held the other Haemisphere . And Plato in Phaedone proueth that seing the earth is in the middes , Hades under the earth , to our Situation , must be as far as the heauens .

3. Eustathius vpon Homer calting Haden for Iapetus the half globe vnseen , sheweth that some place Haden beyond the Ocean . And Homer , in Vlysses iourney to Hades , placeth it beyond the gates of the Sunne .

4. The Greek fathers follow the Heathen in Phrase : who term the place of all dead , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vnder the ground . Yet they know that Abraham and such were in the Heauenly city . by Eb. XI . and that doth Basilius confess vpon ps. 15 , & 115 , & 116. & many fathers in fragments vpon the psalmes ioyned to Athanasius . And Athanasius in mo places then twentie sheweth that Hades to our L. was Holy Adams , & holy Abrahams Lodging . And when the Porters of Hades trembled : in that father , it was not for feare least the wicked should be rid from Gehenna : but least all the faithfull should arise . And Euen Gehenna in Chrysologus is by abuse of term Abrahams Lodg : whom & the rich man Eadem regio continebat . What vicinity is to soules in their world we cannot tell . And as we see the sun so far off better than a man distant forty pases : So the speach passeth of Abraham with Eleazar that made God his strength , to the tormented : as though there were but a dingle , valley , or great ditch betwixt them : yet theyr listance may be far : though we must be spoken too : as mans capacity holdeth . And , by our Lords warrant , Hades hath Abraham no lesse then the rich man . In that word Luc. 16. The Lord alloweth the general notion of heathen Greek : That Hades is the place of all kynde of Soules : Faithfull & faithles .

5. By Iosephus in Photius Librarj The bosom of Abraham is in Hades : and by the true Philo the Greek Iew of Alexandria , Abraham leaving mortality is ioyned to the People of God , enioying vncorruption , made equall vnto Angels . And this sentence a late Iew R. Azarias hath translated into Ebrew : as being the Iewes comon opinion .

6. The learned Theodoret commendeth Platoes iudgment for double iudgments in Hades : ioy for the iust : & prison for the vniust . And he accepteth Platoes terms , though Plato knew not wher Hades was .

7. The Iewes in Zoar made from Symeon Ben Iochaj , of S. Pauls time , haue Gehenna for the wicked : & Paradise for the Godly . And no third place . And in Aboth Rabbj Nathan Moses & all faithful are presently caryed to Gods throne . and rest vnder the throne . as the martyrs vnder the Altar . Ap. 6.

8. Our L. confirming the Iewes terme of Paradise , telleth the thief This day shalt thou be with me in Paradise . The Iewes were taught by Prophets termes for the world to come : and those would the holy ghost confirm in the new Testament .

9. Some Greek fathers , not knowing Paradise for soules Lodge vsed from the Prophets scholers , thought it opened first to the thief : and so , Hades for the fathers to be a degree Lower : as doth Basil on pf. 49. yet he checketh himself .

10. S. Paul disputing with Ebrewes in their plain maner , to Greeks was hard in this Eb. XI . God providing better for vs , that they without vs should not be perfected . He denyed not to Abel , Enoch , Noe , Melchizedek Abraham , Isaak , Iacob , Moses , Barac , Gedeon , Iepthe , Samson , Samuel , David his 37 worthies strong in Battel , the Sareptane , the Sunamite , Elias & vexed prophets , Ananias , Azarias , Misael & Daniel & the Machabees , who dyed for hope of the better resurrection , he denied not to these all ioy , that the Martyrs had : But disputed how the Law made nothing perfect in doctrine : without the Gospel manifested vnto vs , seen to the old fathers far off .

11. S. Paul was not a Lord of faith , but a teacher . And so he was to speak vpon grounds which his enemies could not deny . And he protesteth he bringeth no new Principles . That Christ was to suffer , & being the first from the dead should shew Light unto the world : this was all his difference from the Scribes . And his Epistle to the Ebrewes in euery membre combateth with the Talmudiqnes : whos speaches yf the Greek fathers had knowen , Abrahams Hades had not bene thought , one thought in ioy differing from his Iudaique Paradise : wherin he was equall to Angels .

12. Iosephus Book for Abrahams bosom in Hades , fathered vpon Irenęus , Iustine Martyr , & one Caius elected Bishop of the Gentils , in Photius , sheeweth the Greeks comon opinion : That they took Hades the General to Paradise dise & Gehenna . But when they feared speaches to Rabbins for the thiefes Paradise , & how the Patriarks had not perfection without vs . yet Theophilact wrestleth well vp on S. Luc. 23. with both poincts . But now 1400. yeares the Greeks haue staggered : Saying well and tottering vpon their own sayings .

13. Without knowledge of Rabbins & Heathen Greeks , none can be a fit Bishop to expound soundly the Ebrew and the Greek Testament : & to shew Constantly that Hades is the Generall for Heauen & Hell .

14. The Scribes hold vniuersally that Sheol neuer distinguisheth Lots , but when it is taken for a spedy death , vpon wickednes : and yet then no sure warrant , for to be Hell .

15. Yf any will be heaping Christians for Sheol to be Hell , against the most Learned Scribes , Rambam , the greatest Thalmudique that ever was : who to . 1. 49. in a treatise of repentance sweateth to find the Metaphores for Hell , and all notes of it but neuer durst touch Sheol : yf any will make our Barbarous to teach such Rabbins Ebrew , that man making us ask off to Turks & Iewes , Laboureth for Machmad more then many thousands that take his pay . And such should be bridled not honoured .

Of the manyfold Haeresies which Hades , holden The world of Soules , generall to Paradise & Gehenna , doth plainly , strongly , & most profitably confute .

1 The Pope thanketh GOD , who sent his S. to Hades , to bring the fathers to Paradise : This thank is foolish . They were & are still in Paradise : the ioyfull part of Hades . And they changed not their place , by our Lords passage .

2. Some of ours say : The Church ever held that out L. went to Hell . The Iesuites of Mentz being demaunded of their faith : which is in a Greeke Epistle written by their chief Pater Nicol Serarius vtterly deny that our L. went to worse Lodge then the fathers had . And no old Church went further that way then the Popish . So our Doctrine fayleth , and falleth . And of reformed Churches Breame alone or with small company , holdeth Hell , to be named in the Creed .

3. Geneua made them selves rediculous to all Graecia : teaching imposibilities : that our L. went to paradise : and not to Hades . As if they were men & not Animalia .

4. The same in word deny the soules immortality . All Platoniques will tell them that yf the soul be immortall , it must needs go hence to Hades . Not onely Theodoret named about : but also S. Luc. 16. alloweth Platoes speach . So Geneva tongue denyeth the soules immortality : though it have a mind vndenying of it : and a good hope of the world of Soules : better than the Iewes : which say Gholam haneshamoth Gholam hanechamoth The world of soules is the world of Solace . But alas they hausmal hop , who deny Christ our only hope .

5. Geneva , saying : To descend to Hell is to haue the torments of Hell : would be rediculous to three thousand yeares Greek : none euer tooke it so . Therin they do them selves exceeding great iniury : shewing that they misse in weighty matter : against the Perpetuall vse of the speach .

6. The same teaching in this order that our L. suffred : was crucified dead and buryed , and suffred : Make the Penner of the Creed to be no Logician : that knew not in what order things were to be spoken .

7. The Soules immortality should specially be opened in the Creed : that the body being declared , how it was crucified dead , & buryed : this article was needfull : That our Lord his soule went vnto the Father . That doth the Greek in speach of the faithfull , signify . This goodly article the Geneveans exclude .

8. The assertion that our L. suffred Hell torments , appeareth not true by any Scripture . True modesty would looke to Scripture phrases in handling our redemtion . The WORD telleth our L. his danger , shame and reproch , were vnspeakable : and that God left him ps. 22. vnto paynes and contumelies there set down . But that GOD forsooke him : that is our owne term . The word is Leaue . And the psalme expoundeth the word . And Shabak in the Gospell , Syriaque and in Dan. 4. is plainly to leaue . As to leave the stumpes of the tree in the ground .

9. Calvins vncircumspect wordes herein gaue Papists much advantage : and troubled all Churches . Greek skill for one word would haue holpen all .

10. Purgatory falleth when . Hades Lodgeth all soules departed : & can haue but Paradise & Gehenna for them .

11. Archb. Whitgift , was wise when he obteyned by Syr Iulius Caesar Q. Elizabeths hand for M. Ieffrey K. felow of the Kinges Colledge to passe ouer sea to confesse his haeresy : while he denyed descending to Hel in the Creed to mean in a Barbarous & shamefull translation a going vp to Paradise . And he was thankfull in promise of 400 Lib. ꝑ annum : to his Catechizer . So that he would stir no more in the matter . Archb. Whitg . was well Learned in the comon kind : and could see . When he the Arch. yeelded , the inferior BB. should haue done so :