AGainst this Popish and trayterous defense of the proude Censures , giuen vpon Master Charkes and M. Hanmers bookes , there hath bene alreadie set forth an answere , conteining a maintenaunce of the creditte of those excellent Ministers , and Elders of Gods Church , which this malitious slaunderer hath sought to deface ( for staie of the simple reader ) till Master Charkes booke come forth . There hath also bene printed and set forth by Doctor Fulke a briefe confutation of sundrie cauills and quarrel vttered by diuerse Papists against his writinges , and speciallie by this Censurer in this his booke of defense , whereby some parte of his vnhonest dealing is displayed , to the discredite of this defender , and to the shame of all Papists . Neuerthelesse , vnderstanding that Master Charke is not minded 〈◊〉 set forth his answere , ( although he haue it 〈◊〉 written ) before this defender hath 〈◊〉 his wholl booke , as he promiseth ; I haue thought it not amisse , to write a shorte treatis for the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the matters of doctrine especially which are in controuersie betweene M. Charke and the Censurer , either omitting , or but breiflie touching the points handled more at large in the two 〈◊〉 books . Neither do I thinke M. Charkes staying to be misliked , for diuerse causes : First , to auoyd confusion , which might ensue , if the defender should replic vpon his answere to the first parte , before the confutation of the second parte were finished , & published : Secondlie to auoyd misunderstanding : for that diuerse pointes touched in the first parte , may be more at large , and otherwise handled in the latter parte , vpon vew whereof Master Charke would change his answere . And last of all , lest replying , and reioyning vpon the first parte , might be occasion that the latter parte should neuer be handled . For which reasons , and some other , perhaps better knowne vnto him-selfe , indifferent readers may gather , that it is expedient for him to staie , vntill he see the wholl charge of the aduersarie , and then more orderly and seasonablie he may publish his answere altogeather .

But now to the purpose taken inhande . Three tall fellowes step forth vpon this bulwarke of defense : the Corrector of the printe : the setter forth of the booke : and the graunde Captaine defender himselfe .

The Corrector commeth forth with his parte , to stoppe a gappe , or emptie place of a page , with the reall 〈◊〉 of a nowne Heretike : and that presuming ( as he 〈◊〉 ) without the authors knowledge : to wise a man belike to be made priuie of such gramaticall trifles . But whereas he weeneth that by reading his authors treatise , a man shall see the moste points verified in Master Charke and his companions , he is fouly beguiled . For there is no wise man , but seeth all the pointes of his newlie deuised declension throughly verified in his author and his Complices : who hath shewed himselfe to be , not in one , but in all cases , a proude maleperte Lyar , and an obstinate seditious Atheist : 〈◊〉 hereunto an impudent heretike , and a malitious traytor . And if any man be so simple , that he cannot yet perfectlie be holde all these pointes in his owne treatise , yet in the answeres , and confutations thereof , he that will not acknowledge them to be verified in him , is like to proue a nowne of the same declension with him . Thus the Owlie Corrector hauing shotte his bolte out of the bulwarke , which by euil happe of a contrarie winde is caried backe against him selfe , and his owne freinds , retireth into a corner , and doth no more appeare , sauing that some notes of his negligence , here and there bewraying him , do declare that this was not the first time that he was ouerseene in his life , & that he should haue done his Master better seruise , if he had imploied the time he spent in deuising this grammatication , in being occupied more diligentlie about his office of Correction .

The setter forth of this booke hath the next place , who writing an epistle to Master Charke , minister , as he termeth him , and as he is indeede , of the Church of god in England , vnder colour of expostulation of some particuler matters , concerning the person of M. Charke taketh occasion to be a setter forth , not onelie of a seditious & slaunderous booke against the Church , but also of moste spitefull accusations against the prince , and Magistrates of the realme : a sin the particuler vew of this epistle shall moste manifestlie appeare .

First therefore he excuseth the long delaie of setting forth this defense of the Censure , which hath beene deferred more moneths , then the Censure was daies in writing , vpon such cause as is easie to iudge , and speciallie to Master Charke , which for the moste parte is priuie to the same . The meaning is , that the author is so quicke a dispatcher of his matters , partely by meanes of the weakenes of our cause , partelie by singuler dexteritie of his owne wit and learning , that hauing finished his Censure in eight or nine daies space at the moste , he coulde also in like proportionable time haue accomplished his defense , if he had not by the cause pretended , beene stayed or interrupted . And here the author is much beholding to the setter forth , that doth so cunninglie commende his facultie in expedition of such writings : which in a Papist must needes be an argument of great and wonderfull promptnes , both of wit & learning , though in a protestant it be gyrded at by the author him-selfe , with a scorneful reproche of rashnes and ignorance . But what is the cause , trowe ye , that hath stopped the force of these flowing streames of the authors eloquent style , that in so many monethes he hath not fullfilled that course , which without impediment he had beene able to haue dispatched almost in as fewe daies . Euerie one ( sayth he ) may imagine how difficult a thing it is in England , for a catholike man , to write any booke : where neyther libertie , nor rest , nor librarie , nor conference , nor being is permitted . But I praie you sir ( if I may be so bolde to aske you ) what greater libertie , rest , lybrarie , conference , or being , had your Catholike author in contriuing his Censure , which he wanted in writing his defense ? Or rather what cause had he to complaine of the difficultie of the tymes , which with such facultie , in so shorte a tyme , could performe so greate and waightie a peece of worke , as by his owne iudgement ( who you know is nothing partial in his owne cause ) deserued to be called by the honorable name of a Censure ? vnles perhaps you thinke , that either the Prince , her Councell , or the Cleargie of the realme , should haue inuited him to write against the religion of God , and the state of the realme , with promis of libertie , rest , librarie , and all other thinges , the lacke whereof you pretend to haue hindred him .

And yet whatsoeuer you say in generall , you confesse in particuler , that all difficulties notwithstanding , the author had , soone after M. Charkes replie to his Censure , in greate parte dispatched his defense readie for the printe , but that by misaduenture your seditious printe was discouered , and taken with many things printed , or in printing , concerning your defense of trueth and equitie , against his falshoode , and violent oppressions . That you speake against M. Charkes falshoode , it is lawful for you to renew , if you can discouer any committed by him . As for his violent oppressions , being a man of noe power or authority out of the Church , al may know how vainly you charge him , or rather how lewdlie in speaking to him , you speake of the lawful proceedings of the Prince , and all her magistrates , against Popish traytors , terming them no bettet then violent oppressions , when God knoweth , you haue but in a few yet tasted of most iust condemnations , and executions . Oflike stomach and style it is , that you say , the same print was so long sought , and much feared by him . By like he thought that your printe being taken , you had noe meane to publish your authors defense against him : as though you haue not printers enow in places beyonde the sea . How daungerous an vnknowne printe within the lande may be to the state , if it be abused by seditious persons , no man of meane vnderstanding can be ignorant : and therefore meruell not if the magistrates haue beene carefull , to search for it , and diligentlie to suppresse it being founde .

But of this disturbance ( as you tell vs ) had like to haue come a greate losse : for the author had almost giuen ouer his enterprise of defense , not onely vpon these difficulties alleadged , but also because Master Charkes replie did seeme sufficientlie to answere it selfe . A pitifull case , but how did the replie answere it selfe so sufficientlie ? He telleth vs , it was so obscure in many places , as moste men without the Censure might not vnderstande it . Admit it were so : is the obscuritie of a replie , a sufficient answere to it selfe ? but why might not he that could not vnderstande it , haue recourse to the Censure , whereunto his replie had relation ? Then he answereth for a second reason : It was so weake otherwise , as it needed litle confutation of others . This will best appeare by the authors doughtie defense , when both are compared , and examined together . A third reason . Campian the subiect of the Censure , being fallen into Master Charkes handes , it was looked for , that according to reason , and all his promisses , he should be disputed withall openlie , publikelie , and freelie : and so the matter without writing dispatched . No man is so simple , but he may well perceiue , that while the wordes are directed to Master Charke , they are ment against the Prince and state . For who can trulie say , that Master Charke had Campian in his handes ? or that he had made promis , of open , publike , and free disputation , whoe knew full well that he was not able to performe such promis if Campian had beene taken ? or that any man of our profession , made any one such promis ? what meaneth then our setter forth , by these his wordes , and all your owne promises , but thorough fayning of many promises , to slaunder vs of many breaches of faith and much falshoode . This is , in Poperie and Knauerie , a common practize , to charge men with a promisse where none was , that they maie ouercome modestie with impudencie ; or at left to make her blush , beeing vniustlie accused of vnfaithfulnes .

But you will saie , it was according to reason , that Campian should haue beene so disputed withall , if there had beene no promise at all . Great reason forsooth , that a well knowne , vaine , light , runnagate person , challengeing all the graue , wise , and learned of the land to disputation , should so greatlie be regarded , that his chalenge should be taken . Nay that an arrant traytor , furnished with faculties from the Pope , the Queenes open enemie , whose banner of defiance at the same time was spread within her Maiesties dominions , should be admitted vnder colour of an open disputation , to stir vp the vnconstant people to tumult and sedition : as though the religion so long by lawe established , were now brought into doubte , and disceptation . Finallie , it was small reason in wise mens iudgement , that such a lustie Champion as did first cast his gloue of defiance out of a secret corner , after he hath beene long sought for , & is at length drawne out of the bench holl , shoulde be set on the open stage to answere his challenge against al commers , with no smal glory of his foole hardy attempt , though he loose the daie , and be vanquished in the cause . Neuer the lesse it pleased them that had authoritie , partelie to represse the insolencie of the proud peeuish challenger , and his foolish fautors , that made no small accounte of such a glorious Thraso , pattelie to satisfie the weake mindes of such , as might surmize of his bragges , otherwise then they deserued , there was a conference or disputation graunted , wherin although Campians learning was well knowne before , to all them that knew his bringing vp and studies , yet was it then throughlie discouered to many others , which conceiued better of him before , then at that time shewed manefestlie to be in him . For besides his shamefull ignoraunce in the learned tongues , which he sought most rediculoussie to couer and hide , there appeared in him to all indifferent mens iudgements , no more then is writen of Catiline the Romane , whome he followed as well in practize , as he resembled him in qualities , Loquentiae multum , sapientiae parum , many words , little wisdome , impudent loquacity , smale learning , & lesse iudgement .

But when it came to the hearing of the worlde ( sayth the setter forth ) how courteouslie you had vsed this learned man with torments . The world here signifieth , the secretrable of trayterous papists , which giue themselues to no thing more then either to heare or inuent , most impudent lies against religion , & al mainteyners & professors of the same . For to omitte the common phrase of this epistle , wherewith all thinges that are done against the papists , are imputed to M. Charke , whom al reasonable men knowe to be one of the moste , that may doe lest in these cases : who is so farre from all sense or vnderstanding ( if he know what racking meaneth ) to beleeue that Campian endured such torments of racking : whereof no signe could appeare in any part of his body , either before the conference , or after , whereby he should be lesse hable to dispute , as may be prooued by many hundred witnesses : yet the glorious foole , partly to boast of his sufferings , partly to excuse his impatience , and pusillanimity , which for feare rather then feeling of the racke , had discouered many of his friendes & complices , with his owne hand writting , immediately after his racking , was not ashamed on the day of the first conference , to complayne of his grieuous torments , vntil by testimony of Master Lieuetenant of the Tower , and others that were present , his impudencie was so restrained for that time , that he thought it not best to bragge any more of his intollerable racking . But in the conference ( say you ) he was handled without all indifferencie or law of reasoning . How so , I praie you ? The questiones were taken out of his owne booke , in which he could not bevnprouided : he had as great warning of them , as any of his aduersaries : he required no booke to furnish his memorie , but it was prouided for him : the opponents for the moste part , dealt with him in lawfull syllogismes , except when his owne lauish tongue , discoursing against the lawe of reasoning , enforced other manner of communication : he was neither threatned , nor reuiled , though he gaue great occasion by his insolent speach & gesture . He was pressed with no authority , but the booke was shewed him : & what other indifferencie or lawe of reasoning would you require ?

But it is no maruell though you dare be bolde to quarrell at his handling in the conference , when you are not ashamed to speake so impudently of his open trial and condemnation , saying : Finally you made him away by cruel death , without any shew or shadow of particu lar crime committed by him , against Prince or countrey . This were more then barbarous immanitie , if it were true : but being false , what is it , but a most heynous , and sedi tious slaunder , whether you consider the matter , or the persons against whome it is vttered ? Let vs begin with the persons . Who made Campian away ? not M. Charke , I am sure : for all men would laugh at you , if you so should say : for immediatlie after , you distinguish him from that action , saying , and that your selfe Master Charke followed him in person : Then whoe can be vnderstoode to haue made him away by cruell death , but they by whose authoritie , in whose highe Courte , by whose order , he was brought to triall : by whome euidence , verdite and sentence was giuen , and execution commaunded ? Now let vs waigh the matter : was he not in dighted , & arraigned , found guiltie , atteinted , & iudged , according to the ordinarie & accustomable manner alwaies vsed in the case of hie rreason , according to the lawes of the realme ? had he not leaue to answere for him selfe , to challenge the Iurie , or to vse any other plea , that is permitted and allowed in such cases ? was there noe shewe or shadowe of particuler crime conteined in the inditement , or in the euidence ? The worlde knoweth it must needes be , & the recordes are yet to be seene . But there was nothing prooued , perhaps you will say , though much was alledged against him : he was slaundered by them that gaue euidence against him , he neuer did beare a trayterous or vndutifull minde against the Prince , or the state . Well , admit for Campians sake , that the credit of sworne witnesses , and the wholl processe of so honourable a state , as is of this lande , must stand in suspense , and not prooue so much as any shew or shadow of treason committed by him : yet what shall his owne confession subscribed with his hande testifie , concerning his treasonable affection against her Maiestie ? shall it not confirme the testimonie of such as gaue euidence against him , & prooue him moste manifestly to be guiltie of high treason ? his owne confession taken the first of August , 1581. subscribed with his hand , remaineth to be seene : in which , after certaine moste trayterous sentences were shewed him out of the bookes of Saunders and Bristow , concerning the Bull of Pope Pius , by which he tooke vpon him , by his Antichristian sentence , to depriue her Maiestie of her regalitie , and to discharge her subiects of all obedience , and dutie towardes her highnes : it followeth in these wordes : Edmund Campian being demaunded , whether he woulde acknowledge the publishing of these things before recited , by Saunders , Bristow , & Allen , to be wicked in the wholl , or in any parte , and whether he doth at this present , acknowledge her Maiestie to be a true and lawful Queene , or a pretensed Queene , and depriued , and in possession of her Crowne onelie de facto : he answereth , To the first , that he medleth neither to nor fro , and will not further answere , but requireth that they may answere . To the second he saith , that this question dependeth vpon the fact of Pius Quintus , whereof he is not to iudge , and therefore refuseth further to answere .

Edmund Campian .

Answered and subscribed in the presence of Owin Hopton . Iohn Hammonde . Robert Beale . Thomas Norton .

Here except you will say , that it is no treason in a naturall borne subiect of this lande , though he refuse to acknowledge the Queenes Maiestie to be a true and lawfull Queene , and in possession of her Crowne de Iure : and though he will not in one worde disalow them that speake , write , & practize against her right , her Crowne , and dignitie , and seeke by all meanes they can , to depose and disposesse her of the same , there was neuer traytor more clearlie discouered by the testimonie of others , then Campian is displayed by his owne confession . I neede not here note the faculties graunted by the present Pope Gregorie the 13. to Campian , and his fellowe traytor Parsons , which were taken about one of their complices immediatelie after Campians death , in which they desire of the Pope the explication or meaning of the Bull of Pius Quintus , giuen forth against our Souereigne Lady Queene Elizabeth : and yet because they doe most plainelie conuince him of the same horrible crime , where of he was condemned , I will here set downe the same , as it is testified in the booke of execution of Papists for treason , and not for religion .

Which is thus much in English .

These things knowne , & considered , it is euident that none , but as honest a man as Campian , could write that Campian was made away by cruell death , without any shew or shadow of particuler crime , committed by him against Prince , or countrey : or that Campian suffering for such horrible treason , is a Martyr of Christ : or that he and his fellowes died moste constant , pure , and innocent martyrs of their Lord and Master Iesus Christ . But for that Master Charke in person followed Campian to his execution , as a conqueror of his aduersarie , with bigge lookes , sterne countenance , proude wordes , and merciles behauiour , the author of the Censure was mooued to resume his answere , as well for the honour of Christs martyr , as for declaration of what value he is in reason , learning , and weight of argument by writing , which is so feirce and violent upon Gods saints in death , and torments , so pompous in gate and speach vnto the people , &c. Here are many greeuous accusations , but no proofe at all , but the common reporte , and that of trayterous Papists : for no honest man will charge Master Charke with these crimes . If he followed Campian , it was not to insulte vpon his miserie , but to exhort him to repentance . What bigge lookes or stearne countenance he could put on in that time and case , I cannot conceiue . I hope all men that know his face , will testifie , that he looked then no otherwise , then he doth at all times , except commiseration of the damnable state of those obstinate traytors and heretikes , did cause some tokens of heauines to appeare in his countenance . What his proude wordes and mercilesse behauiour was , in what pointe he shewed him selfe so feirce and violent vpon those trayterous heretikes , in death and torments , when you can declare , but in three wordes , you shall receiue an answere . In the meane time you may not thinke that with any reasonable man it is sufficient for you to accuse him of pride in wordes , and crueltie in behauiour , when you bring no example nor proofe thereof . And sure I am , what wordes of his soeuer then vsed , you may wrest to make a shewe of pride , you are hable to alledge no action , wherein you may declare his vnmercifulnes , feircenes or violence . As for his pompous gate and speach , which you note in the last place , I doubt not but all they which know him , do laugh to heare you obiect it to him , as also that you note him afterwarde , to weare gorgeous apparrell , and therein to haue excelled Campian . His valew in reasoning , learning and weight of arguments in writing , what they are , and how to be esteemed , albeit his friendes know already , yet I hope his aduersaries also shall in their conscience acknowledge , especiallie after the smoke of your authors cauils be driuen away , by the cleare light of trueth .

As for the disturbance thorough searchers and persecuters , that you complaine of , which caused your author to breake of in the middest , is but a shift of descant . For as your author , whatsoeuer he be , is still hidden , so in his hiding place , he may goe through , if it please him , or if he be weary of his enterprise , he may take his ease without controlement . For the extremitie of the time is not such , though you whine neuer so much , but if he can abstaine from vndermyning the state , he may enioy more rest , then an heretike deserueth to haue , or then Papists in time and places of their gouernement wil afforde vnto true Catholikes .

But you ( saith the setter forth ) hauing gotten the starte before vs in the fauour of our Prince , you follow the same with such vehemency and streightnes , as you allow vs no one 〈◊〉 either of curtesie , or humanity , or of reasonable indifferency . First marke how manerly he speaketh of our princes fauour , as a matter not bestowed by iudgement , but gotten by starte of that party that first steppeth vnto her . Secondly , how hyporbolically he describeth our vehemency : no one iot of curtesie , humanitic , reasonable indifferencie . Why sir ? who are you with whome we deal so streightly , for whome we make search so diligently , and punish so extreamely ? A wholl hundred of Papists and more be daylie in our sight , dwell in their houses , and suffer not so much as the lest ordinarie punishent which is appointed by law for them , which come not to Church . They be temporall men , you will say . Read the booke entituled the execution for treason , &c. and you shall finde a number of your cleargy men vsed with all curtesie , and humanity , that maie be shewed to men of a contrary religion . It remaineth then , that you are some rebeilious Iesuits , or seminary priests , which are sent hither by the Pope , and his Antichristian adhaerents , to alienate the princes subiects mindes , yea to steal away their hearts from obedience of their Lawfull Soueraigne : that you might by such meanes prepare a waie the soner for the publike execution of that blasphemous bul of Pius Quintus . And would you , wandring about with such intents and practises , haue curtesie and gentlenes shewed you ? And yet when you are apprehended , there is no duety of humanity denied you . You haue the due triall of law , and many times the deserued execution is forborne . Such lenitie so lightlie regarded , nay so tragically inueighed against , as most barbarus cruelty , deserueth at the hands of God and man more sharp , and yet but iuste entertainment .

You exclude vs ( say you ) from speach , conference , writing , printing , disputing , or any other due trial of our cause . Stil you would haue your cause to be religion , when it is high treason . And as for triall due for treason , is neuer denied you , before you be condemned for it . As for speach , conference , writing , printing , disputing for trial of the cause of religion , when you will permit to be free , in places of popish regiment , you may expostulate with vs , for not allowing you the same in this Christian state of gouernment .

But what extremitie soeuer we vse , we are sure ( say yow ) allwaies to be answered by one meanes or an other . It may be as you saie : but you tell vs not when . For if you speake of answering our bookes , you scarse giue one for tenne . Neither do you so disquiet vs by your pretended claime , as you mainely boast , but we might sleepe on both sides , if we had none other busines then to confute your popish treatises . And if you had no greater hope in treasonable practises , as in your rebellions , both in England , and Ireland , and in your Popes bandes and banners , your Saunders , your Feltons , your Someruils , your Parries , and such other execrable traitors and treasons , then you haue confidence in writing or reasoning , you would not looke to see the rooting out of our faith & religion , which you terme heresie , as you do vainly prognosticat and prophecie .

But our credit ( you thinke ) is greatly crushed in our owne conceiptes , seing we flie openly and without shame all kinde of quiet triall what soeuer , and with furie onely moue the magistrate to violence against you . In deed you know your owne cause best , where you haue the magistrate obedient at your beck , how vnwilling you are to haue any other quiet conference for trial , but imprisonment , torment , fire , and fagot . And if the same measure were paied you home againe into your lapps , it were no more but good iustice , and such as you shall surely finde one day , according to the prophecy of the holy ghost . Rewarde Apoc. 18. her euen as she hath rewarded you , &c. when God shall put into the hart of Kings , to hate the Romish whoore of Babylon , to eate her flesh , and to burne her with fire . But as yet , God calling you to repentance , you haue no cause to repine against our seuerity , much lesse to condemne vs of violence , if you seeke not your owne bane , by practising of treason and sedition . But how do you openlie and without shame , saie , that we flie openly and without shame all kinde of quiet triall ? What lawfull kinde of quiet triall hath not bene offered to you ? Would you haue conference ? was there not a moste solemne conference agreed vpon , in the beginning of her Maiesties reigne , where principall men of both parts haue beene chosen to confer , and all the states of the realme assembled in parliament readie to heare ? And who did there openly and without all shame flie the triall ? did not the pillers of popery , vpon a frivolus cauill , misliked by their owne Fecknam , giue ouer the combate ? As for priuate confirence , it hath bene many times offered , and often practised with such of your heresie , as be in holde , but of them for the moste part misliked or reiected . Triall by writing of bookes , hath alwaies bene , and yet is open & free , in so much as many of your popish treatises being confuted by vs , are allowed to be inserted into our bookes , that the indifferent reader may iudge of both more freely and easily : a triall which you papists neuer yet durst enter into , and a manifest argument , that you flie the most indifferent kinde of triall . You haue bene openly challenged by Doctor Fulke to conclude the controuersies In his request and protestation before his retentiue against Bristowes motiues . of religion that are betweene vs in the strict forme of syllogismes , both for your owne ease and for the clearnes and certainty of iudgement : and this rea sonable request , if you refuse to yealde vnto , he hath protested before God and the world , that you shew your selues thereby to be enemies of trueth , that you flie the light , and dare not abide the triall . And yet these foure yeares day , none of you all hath aduentured that most easie , certaine and necessary trial , which you cannot refuse , if you wil haue trueth to be thought to stand on your side . Let wise men iudge therefore , whether we refuse all kinde of quiet triall , and whether it be not a seditious kinde of triall , that you would haue , as appeared by Campians challenge : who although he were a person too contemptible for yeares , grauitie , learning , or honestie , to make so proude a chalenge , to all the learned and wise of the Church and common welth of England : yet when he was brought to light , he was conferred withall , by diuerse graue , and learned men , and tried in the defense of his owne treatise , in which God wot , he was quickly found to be none other , then his familiars alwaies knew him to be , that is more bold to challenge , then able to defend him-selfe : more ready to cauill like a childish sophister , then to answere like a sober deuine .

And as for his constancie & patience ( which you magnifie with so many wordes ) in his iust execution for treason , which you falsly terme martyrdome , for your false religion , there is smale cause you should boast of it : but that it is necessarie , where you cannot be borne out with trueth , to breake through with open lyes . For manie hundrethes of eie witnesses can testifie against you , that of his patience ( which yet had bene perforce ) there was no sufficient trial by torment , or sense of bodelie paine , at his death , other then is vsual to al that be strangled with an halter . But as for constancie or cherefull passage vnto his death , it appeared lesse in him , then in any of his fellowes , but rather great tokens of deiection and consternation of his minde , bewraied in his colour , countenance , voice , and gesture , plainly noted by such as knew his stomach , courage , & lusty behauiour when he was in prosperity . That he & his complices , would acknowledge no guilt of treason , whereof they were so cleerely conuicted , it maketh their death more detestable , & sheweth their hipocrisie more damnable : who seeing it was necessary for them to die as traitors , desired of their fautors to be honored as martirs : declaring thereby intollerable rancor , and malice against the prince and the state , and no lesse pride & ambition in them-selues . Of such Martyrs boast as long as you will , you shall neither get credit by them , when their cause is knowne , nor terrifie vs with reuenge of their blood , when their punishment was iust . HEtherto belike you haue spoken to al that abhorre Popery in general : for now you will speake aword or two to Master Charke , as to his owne person in particuler . And two things you tell him of , that in this matter do principally concerne him . The first is his writing , which , as shall appeare by this authors defense , doth conuince him of grosse ignorance , and that in verie common matters , both of diuinitie , and of Philosophie , wherein it is well knowne that Campian was moste excellent . But seeing the proofe of this conuiction resteth onely in the authors defense , the discreete reader will suspend his iudgement , vntill he see Master Charkes answere also . In the meane time it will appeare , by that which other men write in his defence likewise , that all is not grosse ignorance , which cauilling and malitious Papists , seeking to deface him with a false accusation , are disposed to impute vnto him . As for Campians learning in these two sciences , I may be as bold to saie , it is well knowne , that it was but vulgar , and inferior to manie of his yeares and tyme of studie , which you commend to be in the superlatiue degree of moste excellencye . Some peece of his diuinity he shewed in the conference with in the tower of London . His knowledge in Philosophie , as it is not to be waighed in the controuersie of Religion , which we haue in hand , so it is not to be thought , that he so far excelled therein , but Oxford and Cambridge can aforde an hundreth Masters of Arte his iuniors in time , at the lest way his equalls , if not his betters therein

That Master Charke outfaced him in the towre of London , by reason of his high place , gaie apparell , great wordes , assistance of friendes , countenance of authoritie , and applause of Protestantes standing by , it is a poore excuse of Master Campians insufficiencie , which though it was manifest to the wise and learned , in euery of the former daies of conference , yet in that last daie of Master Charkes encounter with him , was apparant euen to the simple & ignorant : so that Campians impudencie , wherein he chieflie excelied , was so repressed at that time , as euen in the opinion of euerie man ( albeit he was vanquished before ) yet now at last he seemed to be cleane ouerthrowne . And this shamefull foile , you would faine haue to be thought to haue happened vnto him , as one ouermatched with M. Charkes highe place , gaie apparell , great wordes , &c. It is pittie your Champion was noe better armed aganst so weake arguments , but did suffer him self to be outfaced with such friuolous reasons , of place , garmentes , wordes , countenance , & multitude . verely they that knew his audacitie from a childe , marueled to see him so greatlie daunted , but that it pleased God that day , to make him , and all the papists , in their foolish deuise of his impudent challenge , ridiculous to al the world . But if we maie examine these reasons , by which he seemed to be so much outfaced , what difference of place , I praie you , was there betweene the opponents , and the respondent ? were not there stooles of equall height ? you would haue fooles imagine belike that Charke sat a loft in a throne , seauen stepps higher then Campian , or what meane you to prate of high place . As for gay apparell , men maie see Master Charke daielie how gorgeouslie he is araied , so that he turneth the eies of all men vppon him , which waie so euer he goeth : or els Campian had smale cause to feare him , for his gaie apparell . In trueth his apparell was of colour blacke , of matter wollen , of making such as the common sorte of Ministers in London commonly do vse to weare . But if Campian had bene stripped out of his rugge gowne , whereunder his ruffianlike garments were hidde , he would haue appeared in much gayer apparell for matter , colour , and fashion , then Master Charke was euer seene to weare , since he came into the ministerie . Neuertheles his gowne could not hide his to spots hat , which , if not on that daie , yet at all other times of the conference , it is certaine was the same , that was seene with the rest of his Iesuiticali robes , when he ridde through Cheap-side towards the tower of London : And therefore mee thinkes you neede not to haue spoken of Master Charkes gaie apparell . But what Sesquipedalia verba . were those greate words of his , a foote and a halfe long at the lest , that Master Campian might be outfaced with them ? They that were present could obserue no affectation os wordes , but weight of matter , that bare downe Campians courage , especially when he was pressed to answere to syllogismes , which ( as though no man but he could skill of ) at the first he did scornefully call for . The assistance of friendes was a smale prerogatiue , when they were onelie hearers , and not helpers of his disputation . The countenance of authoritie litle auaileth in conference , where each partie , by leaue of authoritie , may saie what he can for his cause . Last of all the applause of the Protestantes standing by , was no cause of Campians outfacing , but a consequent of his vnsufficient answering . That vaine scoffe , of Campians comming within the reach of Charkes ministeriall power and authoritie , sauoreth of nothing , but of proude follie , and foolish malice . For all men maie easilie know , that when Campian was apprehended for mouing the Queenes subiects to sedition , and committed to the tower , for imagining and practising of high treason , he was not within the reach of anie Ecclesiasticall persons power , or authoritie , much lesse of poore M. Charkes iurisdiction , which is none at all , further then by commission might be graunted to anie of the state ciuill or Ecclesiasticall to examine him , or to conferre with him .