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WORKE , MORE WORKE , AND A LITTLE MORE WORKE FOR A MASSE-PRIEST .

Reviewed and augmented by the Authour .

With an Epistle of an vnknowne Priest remaining in London , sent to the Authour , excepting against fiue points therein .

With the Authours Answere thereunto : returned vnto the Priest within twelue dayes after the receipt of the Priests Execptions .

Numbers 25 , 16 , 17 , 18 , verses . The Lord spake 〈…〉 Vexe the Midianites , and smite th● 〈…〉 ●●ey trouble you with their wiles .

LONDON , Printed by William Jones , dwelling in Red-crosse-street . 1628.

TO THE RIGHT HONOVRABLE , AND MY VERY good Lord , THOMAS Lord Viscount SAVILE , Baron of Castle Barre . Right Honourable ,

KIng IAMES of late and blessed memory , knowing the mysteries of Popery better then many of his predecessors , how by it God was robd of his honour , by Invocation of Saints , vowing to Saints , beleeving in Saints , sacrificing to Images , adoring of a breaden god , and Relikes : and how Kings and Princes were spoiled of their soveraignty , by the Popes exempting of all Clergy men from obedience to them , and absolving their subiects from the Oath of Allegiance ; and how Inferiour Magistrates were hindred in the execution of Iustice , by the doctrine of Aequivocation ; and the common people inveigled and misled , to the endangering both of their bodies and soules , by the doctrines of blind-fold obedience , and that faith and truth is not to be kept with heretikes : he was not onely willing , all the time hee did reigne over vs , that we should pray to God , as we did in the dayes of Great ELIZABETH : That he would keepe vs from all Papistrie : and that he would preserue vs from the Pope , as well as from the Turke ; in as much as the Pope laboured to dethrone Christ , as well as the Turke did : but hee required further of vs , In the prayer to be made Nove. 5. in remembrance of our deliverance from the Gunpowder ▪ Treason . That wee should pray God to strengthen his handes , and the handes of his Nobles and Magistrates in the Land , to cut off the Papists , and to roote them out of the Confines and limits of the Kingdome : protesting in one Parliament , That hee could not permit the increase and growth of Poperie , without betraying the liberties both of England and Scotland , & of the Crown in his posterity . And in another , That his heart bled when he heard of the increase of Popery : And that his griefe was such , as if thornes had beene in his eyes , and pricks in his sides : avowing earnestly , That if he knew any way better then another , to hinder the growth thereof , hee would take it . Which courses and speeches of his , argued no small dislike of Popery and of Papists also : though some of them gaue out in Germany , Mer●uri●●●●lo . Belg. ad An , 1623. yea , and in S. Lucies Iland , not long before his death , that he was turned Roman-Catholike . Pur●h●● Pilgrimage lib. ● . cap. 3. p. 831. Now in as much , as the causes which wrought in his Royall heart such a detestation of Poperie , are the same still , ( if not greater ) which they were in his time : I cannot but thinke , that Charles his sonne , our present soveraine Lord and King , carries the same opinion of the same profession , and professours , which his blessed Father did . And hereupon it is ( Right Noble Sir ) that I being perswaded , it is the duty of every good subiect ( according to his place and meanes ) to labour the effecting of that which hee conceiues his Soveraine intends , for the preservation of Gods glory , and his owne authority : and for procuring the quiet and safety of his people ; I haue reviewed and inlarged a little Treatise which I published in King James his time , wherein many grosse doctrines , and vile practises of the Papists are discovered : as namely , that it is lawfull to eate their God , to kill their Kings , to cozen their neighbours , &c.

Which I humbly pray may passe in your Honours name , as a lasting testimony of my vnfeigned thankefulnesse vnto your Honour , and to your Honourable father , by whose onely meanes ( vnder God ) I haue what I haue ▪ for which , next vnto God and the King , I professe I honour you both : and will never forget to pray for you , and yours : remaining alwayes

At Your service , Alexander Cooke .
TO THE READER .

REader , in this Pamphlet , among other things , thou shalt finde it proved , that according to Poperie , A man may eate his god with his teeth , as a a Homer . O●y● lib. 9. Cyclops eate Vlysses companions : and that a subiect may kill his King , as b b 1 King . 16 , 9 , 10. Zimri did his Maister : and that one man may deceiue and cozen another , as the c c Iosua . 3. 9. Gibeonites did Iosua . Besides , thou shalt finde it proved , that the Papists make of no sinnes grievous sinnes ; and of grievous sinnes no sinnes , or at most but veniall sinnes : Yea , thou shalt finde it proved , that the Papists make of grievous sinnes rare vertues ; and that their Pope ( Saint Pauls d d 2 Thess. 2. 3. man of sinne ) takes vpon him to forgiue sinnes past , and sinnes to come . Further , thou shalt finde it proved , that they equall the virgin Ma●ie vnto Christ in many respects ; and preferre her before him in some respects : not considering the truth of e e Haeres co●●● Co●yridian●● . Epiphanius speech , Par detrimentum verae Religioni afferunt , illi qui vilem B. Virginem habent , & illi qui vltra fas eius gloriam adaugent : They are equally to blame , who vilifie the Virgin , and who deifie her . Thou shalt finde it proved , that Papists professe more dislike of Protestants , then either of Turke , Iew , or Infidell : and that they esteeme of them no otherwise then of reprobates , of whose salvation there is no more hope then of Lucifers . These things , and some other of like stampe , thou shalt finde herein proved against the Papists , out of their owne Authours ▪ which , if thou be a Protestant , may helpe to keepe thee from falling vnto Poperie : and if thou be a Papist , may helpe to recover thee from Poperie ; which are the two onely ends ●aime at in suffering it to passe to the Presse . And this is all that by way of Preface I haue to say vnto thee , besides Farewell .

GOe little booke , make speed , apply the season , Propound thy Quaeres with vndanted cheere : Bid learned Priests and Cardinalls speake reason * * 2 Pet. 2. 12. . The vulgar dare not reade , but make them heare . Yea giue a challenge to the Triple Crowne : Bid them reply , or cast their bucklers downe .
WORKE AND MORE WORKE FOR A MASSE PRIEST .

SIr Priest , I pray you tell me of what Order of Priests you are ; whether of the Order of Aaron , or of the Order of Melchisedek : or of that rabblement whereof the Priests of Baal were . St. Paul witnesseth , that a a Heb. 7 , 12. Aarons Priesthood is changed ; and that b b V. 23 , 24. Melchisedeks is such , as passeth not from one vnto another : so that ( for any thing I see ) you must be of the rabblement of Baal .

2 Again , Sir Priest , I pray you tell me , what is the chiefest duty which is required of you by vertue of your Priesthood , whatsoever : Is it to preach , or to say Masse ? Sunt infiniti , qui tantum celebrandis Missis , quas dicunt , operamdant , et eius reicausa , sacerdotes sunt , proinde quasi in eaomne consistat officium . There are in finite ( as c c De Iu●rū , lib. Polidor Virgil saith ) who spend all their time , only in saying Masses , being priested for that purpose ; as though no other duty was necessary to be performed by a Priest . Are you one of them ? or are you a preaching Priest ? If a preaching Priest , I pray you what calling haue you therunto ? and whether are you bound of necessity to preach ? I read in your bookes , that d d Ioh. de Combis in Compend Theolog lib. 6. ca. 36. Actus princicipalis Presbyterorum est consecrare corpus et sanguinem Christi , The principall duty required of you , at the time of your priesting , is Massing : and that e e Sa. in Aphons . verbo pradicare . et Orde . Praedicare non est actus Ordinis sacri : Preaching is no act belonging to holy Orders : and that , f f Azorius Instit. Moral . part. 1. lib. 7. cap. 7. 10. quar●●● . if it so fall out , a man cannot both heare a Sermon , and a Masse on a festivall day , he is bound rather to heare the Masse , then the Sermon : because to heare Masses , is sub praecepto , to heare Sermons , is only sub consilio . Which being so , preaching ( it seemes ) is a worke of Superogation with you , it is no necessary duty : You need not feare the Woe , that g g 1 Cor. 9. 16. St. Paul feared , if he preached not the Gospell of God .

3 Sir Priest , I desire to know what benefit may be reaped by hearing of your Masses , for saying whereof you set so many men on worke . Your Predecessors were wont to say , h h The signification of the Mass printed in English by Robert Wyer in Queen Maries dayes , Discip . Ser. 48. de schs . Raymundus in Sum. de 7. Sacramen Tract. 3. fol. 91. That a man doth merit more while he doth heare Masse devoutly , then if hee should giue for Gods sake , so much ground and land as he could passe and goe over in the space of that same Masse : And i i Bernard de Busti . in Ser. de sacr●ficio Missa . et Author of the English festivall , Sermo de Corpore Christi . That a man is never the elder , for the time that he spends in hearing of a Masse : And k k Discip . loco supra citato . That one of your Masses is of as much worth as Christs passion on the Crosse . Now , and if this last assertion bee true , I would gladly know , why l l Masseus de vi●● Ignatij lib. 2. cap. 12. Ignatius the founder of the Iesuiticall Order , did say , and cause to be said , 3000 Masses for the furtherance of that Order . Might not 300 , yea 3 , haue served his turne , seeing one Masse is of such efficacy and worth ? You know the saying , frustra sit per plura , quod sieri potest per pauciora . It is needlesse to vse two strings for a bow , if one will serue the turne .

4 By your doctrine , sir Priest , when your number is so increased , as that you be able to make your part good against our noble King , you are bound in conscience to rebell . For , Hinc infert vniuersa Theologorum et Iurisconsultorum Ecclesiasticorum schola , ( et est certum et de fide ) quemcun ● Principem Christianum , si à Religione Catholica manifestè deflexerit , et alios avocar● voluer it , excidere statim omni potestate et dignitate , et ipsa vi iuris tam humani tam divini , hoc ● ante dictam sententiam supremi Pastoris et Iudicis contra ipsum prolatam : et subditos quoscun ● liberos esse ab omni iur amenti obligatione , quod de obedientia tanquam Principi legitimo praestitissent : posse ● et debere ( si vires habeant ) istiusmodi hominem tanquam Apostatam , haereticum , ac Christi Domini desertorem , et Reip suae inimicum hostēq , ex hominum Christianorum dominatu eijcere , ne alios inficias vel suo exemplo , aut imperio aside avertat . At que haec certa , definita , et indubitata virorum doctissimorum sententia . This Inference doth the whole schoole of Divines , and Canonists make , ( and it is a certaine inference , and to be beleeved as a point of faith : ) That if any Christian Prince whatsoever , shall manifestly turne from the Catholike Religion , and seeke to draw others from the same , he presently falls from all Princely power and dignity ; and that by vertue and force both of the law of God and man : yea and that before any sentence be pronounced against him by the supreme Pastor and Iudge : And that his subiects of what estate or condition soever , are freed from all bond of oath of allegiance , which at any time they had made vnto him as to their lawf●l Prince : and that they both may , and ought , ( if they haue competent meanes and strength ) cast o●t such a man from bearing rule among Christians , as an Apostata , an Heretike , a Revolter from Christ , and an enemy to his owne State and Common-wealth : least perhaps he might infect others by his example , or turne them from the faith by his commaund . And this is the certaine , resolute ; and vndoubted iudgement of the best Divines , saith the m m Resp. ad Ed●ct . Reginae Anglia promalgat . 20. Novemb. Anno 1591 sect. 2. Nu 157 pag. 149. Author of Philopater , who was either of Creswell , or Parsons , as n n W. W. in his Quodlibers pag. 295. and in his booke of gr●ue Considerations &c. pag. one of the secular Priests confesseth . And in Bellarmine we read , that o o Lib. 5. de Ro. Ponr Cap 7. Non licet Christianis tolerare Regem haereticum , si ille conetur pertrahere subditos ad suam haeresin . It is not lawfull for Christians to suffer an hereticall King to reigne over them , if he goe about to draw them to his heresy . And that p p Lib 3. de Luiti● Cap. 22. siquidem potest fieri , ●●t haeretici extirpantur● sunt procul dubio extirpandi ; si autem non possunt quia sunt sortiores nobis , et periculum est , ne si eos bello ag●rediantur , plures ex nobis cadant quam exill●● , tunc qui●soend●on est . If it can be without losse of Papists , that Protestants may be rooted out , without all doubt they ought to be rooted out : But if it cannot be that without losse they may be rooted out , because they are stronger then Papists , and if the Papists did assaile them , perhaps the greater losse would fall on the Papists side , the Papists must let them alone . According to your Divinity , there is nothing that excuseth you from present blame , in that you rebell not , but want of sufficient meanes . Which is confessed by Dominicus Bannes , the chiefe professor of Divinity in Salamanctia in in Spaine : for , excusandi Anglicani et Saxonij fideles qui non se eximuni à potestate superiorum , nec bellum contra alios gerunt : quoniam communiter non habent facultatem ad haec bella gerenda contra Principes , et imminent illis grauia pericula . The faithfull in England & Saxonie ( saith q q In 2. 2 Tho. 9. 12. Art. 2 Col. 467. edit. Ro. 1586. he , meaning papists ) are to be excused , in that they do not exempt themselves from the power of their superiors , nor beare arms against them : because Generalls they haue no ability to warre against their princes , and great dangers hang over their heads if they should attempt it . Now your priests labour to increase your number , and so your meanes , doe you not ? And doe you not thereby labour to hasten Rebellion ? Speake out priest , say the truth , shame the Divell , and saue the credit of your Religion if you can . r r See W. W. in his Quodlibet● pag. 304. Is not your Religion and Treason so linked together , that you cannot play the priests , but you must play the traytors also .

5 Men say , Sir priest , that your s s Convers. pa● ▪ 2 Chap. 12. sect. 16. Parsons commends those Rebells as sufferers for Religion , who were up in armes against King Edward 6 , in the 3 yeare of his reigne ; and for that insurrection iustly slaine and put to death . Men say , that your t t Motiue 1●● Bristow , commends those Northerne men who were put to death for Rebellion against Queene Elizabeth , in the 11 yeare of her Reigne , for Martyrs , yea glorious Martyrs . And I am sure , that that u u Wilson as Mr. Copley saith , cap. 2. sect. 6. of his doctrinall and morall observation , pag. 12. Catholike priest who set vs out x x Anno 1608. not long since ( permissu superiorum , with the approbation of his superiours ) the English Martyrologe , and the Catalogue of the late Martyrs in England , annexed thereunto : hath registred therein , Garnet and Oldcorne , two of the powder Traytors , for Martyrs . And so hath y y Apol. pro Hen. Garneto printed Colon. 1610. cap. 6. sect. 6. p. 169. Eudaemon the Iesuite in his Apology for Garnet . I find likewise , that z z In the margent of his Preface to his motiues . Mr. Sheldon , a priest of yours sometimes , doth witnesse , that one P : W. in a publike assembly , and in a publike panagericall Oration made for Garnets honour at Lovaine , prayed thus vnto him : S. Henrice ora pro nobis . St. Henry pray for vs . And I find also , that Clemens the Iacobin , who killed Henry 3 of France , by sheathing a knife in his belly , a a The state of the English fugitiues , pa. 123. runnes in the number of Martyrs , and is intitled S. Clemens . And Guignard , who was put to death for commending Clemens his fact as heroicall : and tearming it a gift of the holy Ghost , is b b See Resutation of Cottons letter to the Queene Regent . pag. 14. put into the Catalogue of Iesuiticall Martyrs , printed by the Iesuites at Rome . Doth not this your commending of Rebells and Traytours , argue your affection to rebellion and treason ? If Kings admit of any strange rites in religion , they must bee murthered by your religion ; for your c c Insticut Catho . T it 23. Nu. 13. pag. 163. Symancta , in a booke of his dedicated to Greg. 13 , which was printed at Rome 1575 : and d d Enchiridion Iudicum Tit. 21. Nu. 9. de Principibus pag. 70. in another dedicated to Pius 5 , printed at Antwerp 1573 , commends the Scythians for killing their King Scylen , propter exteras vitas , quia bacchan alibus sacris externis initiatus erat : saying , they killed him iure ac merito .

6 You , Sir priest , hold it meritorious to kill princes . The Monke who poysoned our King Iohn , e e Iob. Mo●or de gestio Schoforum lib. 4. cap. 3. Regem perimere meritorium est : thought it a meritorious deed to kill him . f f Thuanus Hist. lib. 79. ad An. 1584. He that killed the prince of Orenge in the yeare 1584 , was so well schooled by the Iesuites at Auspurge , and at Triers , and by a Franciscan at Towrs , that his fact was commendable : and so fully assured by them , that if he were put to death for it , in Martyrumnumero collocatum iri , he should be counted for a Martyr : that after he had done the deed , he could not be perswaded that he had sinned , sed potiùs ea meruisse vt rectà in coelum tenderet : but rather that he had deserved thereby to goe straight to heaven . Parry who intended the murther of our ever renowned Queene Elizabeth , was incouraged thereto by g g Arnauld in his pleading against the Iesuites . Hunnibus Cordreto a Iesuite , who told him that he could not doe a more meritorious worke , then to kill a prince excommunicated by the Pope , and that the Angells would carry him vp to heaven . Yea Parry was incouraged thereunto by h h Cambden . Annal. Anglic ▪ ad An. 1585. pag. 386. Campeius the Popes Nuntio at Venice ; and by Ragazonius the Popes Nuntio at Paris : and by i i See the letter in Stowes Chronicle ad An. 1584. andin Bilson of the Supremacy , part 3 a letter from the Cardinall de Como , wherein his resolution was ascribed to the motion of a good spirit : and wherein the Cardinall did promise him in the Popes name , besides consideration in earth , reward in heaven . k k Iesuit● Catechisme li. 3. c. 4. Squire also was wrought vpon by the Iesuite Walpoole to kill Queene Elizabeth Anno 1597 , the Iesuite assuring him that the Act should be a goodly sacrifice vnto God . And vpon like motion , viz: the meritoriousnesse of the worke , was l l Arnauld in his pleading against the Iesuites . Barriere set on worke by Varade a Iesuite , to kill the great King Henry of France . And in a word , in Queene Elizabeths time ▪ m m Cambden Annal. Anglic. ad An. 1584 p. 354. you divulged bookes , wherein you exhorted the Ladies about the Queene , to doe to her , as Iudeth did ( to her immortall fame ) with Holofernes , that is , to kill her . Are not Papists rare Iewells , and much to be esteemed of by Kings and Queenes ?

It is written by Theophanes , Codrenus , Zonaras , and others , that Greg : 2. excommunicated Leo the Emperour , and perswaded the Italians to revolt from their obedience vnto him . The truth of which ( n n To 9. Annal ad An 726. though it be denied by Baronius ) yet is acknowledged by Bell. lib. 5. de Ro. Pont. Cap. 8. and lib. 1. de Translat Impij Ro. Cap. 12. and by Binnius , To. 3. Com. Notis in vitam Greg. 2. pag. 177. who highly commends the Pope for doing so . Yea , it s written by o o De vit. Pont. in Greg 3. Platona , that Gregory 3. deprived Leo of his Empire : and that principally , for that hee went about to deface Images . It s written in your bookes , that p p In vita Greg 7 Platina de vita Pont. Gregory 7. deposed Henry 4. from the Empire , for commanding the Cardinalls to repaire to him , to chuse a new Pope : and q q Cromerus de rebus gestis Polon . lib 4 cognoscenti Azorio instit. Moral . part. 2. lib. ●1 . cap 5. Boleslaus the second of that name , King of Poland , for killing of a Bishop . It s written in your r r C. 15. q. 6. Alius bookes , that Pope Zachary deposed Childerik K. of France , for that he was not so fit for government as Pip in was : and that s s Plat. in vita Bon●facij 8. and Azor. loco supra citato ▪ pag. ●66 ▪ Boniface the 8. deposed Philip of France , for appealing from him to a generall Councell . It s written in your owne bookes , that t t Antonin . Hist. part . 3. Tit. 19. c. 1 sect. 3. Innocent 3. deposed Otho 4 , for that contrary to his oath , he invaded the Churches patrimony , and our King Iohn of England , u u Ioh. Maior de gest . Scot. lib. 4. cap. 3. for that he sought not absolution at his hands , when the Realme stood interdicted . It s written in your bookes , 〈◊〉 : in Sen 〈◊〉 Cap: ad Apostolicam de Sen● . 〈◊〉 reiudicata . that Innocent 4. deposed Frederike 2. for apprehending his Cardinalls and Bishops , as they were going to a Councell called by him : and that u u See Car●●ius de potest . R●● : Pont: ●i : 2. c : 19. Nu: 27 Gregory the tenth tooke the Easterne Empire from Baldwyn the second , who was lawfull heire to it , and gaue it to Palaologus , who had no colour of right to it . And that x x Mass●●● de V●bis Episc: lib: 6. in vita Ioh ▪ 21 et Cle● : 6. Clemens the sixt deposed Lewis the fourth of Bavaria , for holding opinion that the Emperour might depose the Pope , and place another in his roome . It s written in your bookes , that y y Cr●merus de Gesti● Polon ▪ lib ▪ 27. George King of Bohemia was deposed by Paul the second for heresie : And that Iohn King of Navarre was deposed by z z Auton : N●bris : de bello Navarrens● Cap: 1 , 2 , 3. Iulius the second , for favouring Lewis the twelfth of France , whom the Pope had denounced a schismatike : and that our King Henry the eighth was deposed by a a Saunders de Schis : Anglic : lib: 1. pag: 108. ●dit : 1586. Paul the third , especially for beheading the Bishop of Rochester : and Queene Elizabeth for supposed heresies , by three of your Popes , one after another , viz. by Pius the fifth , Gregory the thirteenth , and Sixtus the fifth . So bold haue your Popes beene with Kings and Emperours de facto . But in as much as b b S●●o in 4. sen● : dis● : 38. q. 2. Art 2. you hold , that Factum Pontificis non facit fidei Articulum : your Popes deeds make no Articles of beleefe : which I beleeue the rather , for that Silvester c c In summa . verbo . votam . sect: ● 5. quaritur . confesseth , he himselfe had seene the Pope do many things cum scandalo totius Christianitatis , to the offense of all Christendome : there is another thing which it concernes Emperors and Kings , to take knowledge of , ( though these facts of the Popes are alledged by d d Lib: 5. de Rom: Pont: Cap. 8. Bellarmine , and e e Carerius lib: 2. de Ro: Pont. Potestate Cap. 39. others , to proue the Popes right to depose Princes ) and that is this . That in your bookes it is written , your Pope hath right , f f Platina in vita Greg : 7. Imperia , regna , principatus , et quicquid habere mortales possunt , auferre , et dare , to dispose of Emperours , Kingdomes , principalities , and whatsoever any man living hath . As ( according to your learning ) g g Tract : de Rom: Ecclesia● primatu apud Bi●nium . To : 1. Conc : pa: 20. he may aperire et claudere ianuas regni coelestis quibus voluerit , open the gates of heaven to whom he list , and shut out of heaven whom he list : so he may auferre , et conferre regna quaecunque quibuslibet ; take the Crowne from any Kings head , and set it on an other mans head at his pleasure . If an Emperour or King be haereticus , vel schismaticus , vel fautor , vel receptator , vel defensor Hereticorum vel Schismaticorum : an Heretike , or Schismatike , or favourer of Heretikes or Schismatikes . If an h h Azor : Instit: Moral : part : 2. lib 10. c : 2. 20. quaeritur . et cap : 8. 3. qua●ritur . Emperour or King be a i i Mosconius de Maiestate Eccle: Militantis lib: 2. de Imper. Reg. et Princip. part : 1. c : 2. pag: 661. Tyrant ; and k k Ibid. tenens Regnum contra formam iuris , et mentem Papae , dicitur Tyrannus : He who holds his Kingdome contrary to the Popes Law , and the Popes liking , is a Tyrant . l l Idem pag: 660. If an Emperour or King be a sacrilegious person , that is , such a one as goeth about to infringe the liberties , immunities , and priviledges of the Church , either by laying hands vpon Ecclesiasticall persons , or their goods : or taking vnto himselfe m m Azor : ●t Moscon : locis citatis . Ecclesiastica iura , to be governour next vnder Christ of those particular Churches , which are within his territories . If they despise Claves Ecclesiae , the Popes Suspensions . Interdictions , Excommunications . If they forbid Episcopos et Clericos suo officio fungi , popish Bishops or Priest to say Masse . If they doe homines excellentes sine causa perimere , hang priests who come into their Kingdoms steal the hearts of the people vnto the Pope : If they doe banish popish priests out of their Dominions : If they dissolue Societates aut Congregationes ad sanctè honestè ● . vivendum , that is , Monasteries and Nunries : n n Alberius in legebene a Zen●ne de Quadrat : prascript . If they oppresse or grieue populos sibi subiectos , their Subiects . o o Idem in Dictionario verbo Para . If they governe their Kingdomes negligenter , ignavè , ineptè , et inutiliter , carelesly , and vnprofitably . p p Moscon . lib. cita● pag. 681. If Leges contra Ecclesiae libertatem aut permittant , aut condant ; they either make any law against the liberty of the Church , or suffer any such Law made by some of their predecessors , to stand in force . q q Glossa . in c. Si Papa . d. 40. If they commit any sin , and will not be admonished , by your booke learning , they are but gone men , they haue forfeited their estates into your Popes hands : yea though there be no fault in them , yet for r r Carerius lib. 2. de potestate Ro. Pont. Cap. 19. N● 27. publicum bonum , if it tend to the Popes profit , hee may vncrowne them , and bestow all they haue vpon such , who had no title in the world to any part thereof , before the Pope gaue them all . And doth not this argue , that Kings by your learning are worse then Copy-holders ?

8 You dubbe vs with the name of Hereticke , affirming that a a Bristow Metiu● 3. we most certainly are Heretikes , and b b Motiue 4. to be detested as Heretickes . Yea you say , c c Reply to Fulk Chap. 10. demaund 46. pag. 37● . Whosoever is a Protestant , not so much as in any one point , ˣ he is therefore a damnable Heretike . You I ●orbid your Bishops , your Archbishops , your Patriarkes , d d Azorius Insti● . Moral . part. 1. li. 8 Cap. 16 : 13. quoeritur . your Cardinall , ( except they be Inquisitors , or Commissioners appointed by your Pope to sit vpon heresie ) the reading , yea the keeping of any of our bookes . You cannot abide that one good word should bee spoken of vs : For , Epitheta honoris●●a , & omnia in laudem haereticorum deleantur : Let all honourable Epithites , and whatsoeuer else in praise of Heretickes , be blotted out , e e I●dex lib. prohib . de Correctio . librorum sect. 2. say you . If f f In Addi● ad Eusebij Chr●nico● . ad An. 1521. Vlrichus Hutten a Protestant be commended for Eques Germaniae doctissimus , & Poeta laudatissimus , A learned Knight and excellent Poet. If g g Ibid. ad Aun 1525. et a Beu●herifastis &c. Frederike Dnke of Saxony , a Protestant , be termed illustrissimus , saepientissimus , Christianissimus Princeps , an illustrious , wise , and Christian Prince . If our Edward the sixth be found praised , as h h Ibid. admirandae indoli● adolescens , a Prince of admirable towardlinesse , there shall i i Iudex . lib. Expurg . Hisp . pag. 93 et 148. deleatur be set vpon the places : in the next Impressions such commendations must be put out . Yea , you cannot finde in your hearts , that our bare names should bee remaining in any bookes , vnlesse we be named k k Azor. Instit. Moral . part. 1. lib 8● . 16 , 17 , quaritur . per ignominiam et contemptum , with reproch and shame . And such is your further hatred to our Princes , that you forbid the reprinting of such Dedicatory Epistles , as learned men haue prefixed before their bookes for the eternizing of the memory of our Princes : witnesse hereof your l l Iuden Hisp lib. ●xpurg . Fol. 92. et . 150. note of detrahatur , reijciatur , deleatur , set vpon three severall Epistles , written by Hadrianus Iunius , and Iohannes Serarius , to our la●ee famous Soveraines , Queene Elizaheth , and King Iames. And so farre are you from approving of the keeping of a picture , either of Prince or people , that m m Azor. lib. & cap. supra citat . 〈◊〉 qua●rtur you account it ( though it be kept in a Closet ) a great presumption , that the keeper thereof smells of heresie . And such is your burning charity towards vs all , that you are not ashamed to professe n n Maldonat . Comment. in Ioh. 4. 9. Certe p●riculosiùs est cum Hereticis , quam eum Samaritanis , quam cum Gentibus , aut Mahumetan is agere : It is vndoubtedly more dangerous to haue any thing to doe with vs , then either with the Samaritan or the Heathen , or with the Mahumetans . And that o o Ibidem . Nunc qui verè Catholici sunt , maiori odio Calvinistas , caterosque omnes Haeriticos , quàm Gentiles prosequnntur : They who are thorow Catholikes at this day , doe more deadly hate Calvinists , and all other Heretikes , then the Heathenish people . Yea you are not afraid to adjudge vs all to the bo●omlesse pit of Hell . For certaine it is , that whosoever in this new faith and service hath ended his life , is in Hell most certainly , saith p p Motiue 36. Bristow . And Fieri nequit ut Lutheranus moriens salvetur , Geheunam evadat , et aeternis ignibus eripiatur : si mentior , damner ipse cum Lucifero . Let me be damned in Hell with the Divell , if any Lutheran be saved , if any Lutheran escape Hell , saith q q Resp●●●●●tationem 〈◊〉 proposit . 8. pag. vltim● , Costerus . And haue we not great cause to loue you .

9 Ipse iure priuatos esse haereticos omni debito fidelitatis , dominij , obligationis , & obsequij quo illis quicunque tenebantur astricti : That heretickes are depriued by law of all fidelitie , authoritie , bond and seruice , which any man owes them , is r r 〈◊〉 Greg. 9. li. 5. Tit. de haeret . Cap. vlt. Symantha Iustit . Cathol ; Cap. 45. Nu. 27. et 28. currant doctrine among you . Children ; and seruants , and subiects to heretickes , owe no duty to their parents , masters , or Soueraines . Per haeresin patris efficiuntur filij sui iuris : if parents fall into heresie , their children are left to their owne discretion , s s Cap. citato 〈◊〉 28. saith Sym●ncha . The parents that become Heretikes , loose the superiority and dominion they haue by law or nature over their owne children , t t Answer to the Execution of Iustice , Chap. 5 pag. 115. saith Allen. Domino civili , quod in servum dominus habet privatur Haereticus , u u Loco supra citato . saith Symancha . The very bond-slane ( which is another kind no lesse bound to his Lord and Master , then the Subject to his Soveraine , may depart and refuse to obey his Master , if he become an Heretike : yea , ipso facto , he is made free , x x Loco supra citato . saith Allen. Dominio politico quod habent Reges et Principes in suos subditos et vasallos privati sunt Haeretici , y y Vbi supra . saith Symancha . Let no man mervaile that in case of heresie , the Soveraine looseth his superioritie and right over his people and Kingdome , z z Ibid. saith Allen. Popish wiues need not lye with their hereticall husbands , a a Catholica vxor haeritito viro debitum redderenō tenetur , quia ille incidit in adulterium spirituale . Nu. 27. saith Symancha . They owe no coniugall duty or debt in the case of heresie , b b Pag. 114. saith Allen , Such as haue any thing put into their hands to keepe , c c Symancha Cap. tit . Nu. 27. need not restore it to them of whom they had it , if they proue heretikes . d d Ibid. Keepers of forts and townes may surrender them into the enemies hands . e e Non est dubium quin potest quis eos licite defraudare . Res●l . quorundam casuum Nat. Anglice . Casus 4. 2. partis Cap. 2. Popish Parishoners may lawfully defraud Protestant Ministers or their Farmours , of their Tythes , by your learning . And this being thus , can you be angry if Protestant Princes , and their subiects , who haue wiues , children , seruants , and money in other mens hands , doe wish you all . Vltra Garamantas & Indos , in the vnknowne world ?

10 f f Bibl. sanct. lib. 2. Verbo Traditiones . Sixtus Senensis reports , That the Iewes are bound to raile vpon all Christians thrice every day : and to pray God he will roote out all Christians , with their Kings and Princes from vnder Heaven . Sixtus g g Ibid. reports , That the Iewes are commanded to account no otherwise of Christians , then of Beasts . That they hold it lawfull to spoile Christians of their goods , and to bereaue them of their liues ; to pull downe their Churches , to burne their Gospell : yea , h h Ibid. he reports , they belch out such blasphemies against Christ , as are fearfull to thinke vpon , in no case to be spoken of . And yet i i Resolistio Cas●●um Nat. Anglo Casus 9. part. 30 Cap. 2. I reade you hold , that we are Acerbiores hostes Christi , et multo-magis detest andi . more bitter enemies to Christ , and much more to be detested then they are : and that k k Ensannel Sa. in Aphoris . verbo . Iudaeus . Iudaein●● , sunt prohibendi celebrare ritus , aut reficere suas Synagogas : the Iewes ought not to be restrained from the vse of their Religion , or from repairing of their Synagogues : Yea , I read l l Relation of the Religion vsed in the West parts of the world . That your Pope licenseth them to haue Synagogues in Rome , vnder his nose : whereas we cannot bee allowed to haue a Chappell in any place where he swayeth . Now I desire , that either some time , or reason , may be given , to justify your justifying of the Iewes before vs : and your Popes suffering of them to professe their Religion even before his face , denying vs the vse of ours in any corner of the world . And the rather I desire some little satisfaction herein , for that I m m Syman●ha I●sti● , Cathol. Cap. 35. N● . ● . vnderstand , all Iewes are forbidden to come into Spaine vnder any pretence , vnlesse presently vpon their comming thither , they make it openly knowne they will become Papists . He that comes in another manner , forfeits both his life and goods , without any more adoe : For it seemes strange to me , that the Popes whitest sonnes , should vpon such penalties debarre them accesse into Spaine ; and that the Pope himselfe should admit them to come so neere his Holinesse , and shew them so much favour .

11 By your doctrine Sir Priest , a a Symanch . Instit Cathol. Cap. 45. N● . 13. there is iust cause to warre against Heretickes ; by Heretickes , you especially meaning Protestants . By your doctrine , b b Allen against the Execution of Iustice , chapter 5. there is no warre so just , and honourable , be it civill , or forraine , as that which is waged for the propagating of your Religion . By your Religion , c c Thuanus Hist. lib. 42. ad A●n. 1568. pag. 877. there can be no peace , yea there ought to be no peace made with Sectaries . d d Ideni lib: 65. ad An : 1577. pag: 152. Sectaries , that is , according to your learning , Protestants , are more eagerly to bee pursued with fire and sword , then Turkes . And e e Symanch : loco supra ●itato . when warre is once proclaimed , any private man may take , spoile , kill such Sectaries , and burne their houses over their heads . Thus you . Professing further . that f f Paulus Windek . in delib : de haeret : extirpand p. 414. Quod nonnunquam Catholici cum Sectarijs transegerunt , eo fine fecorunt , vt interea reliquis negotijs expediti , postea vnum hoc bellum contra Sectarios administrarent , oninemque eius molem in ipsos converterent . When the Princes of your Religion make peace with Protestants , they make it only for their owne advantage : as for example , to dispatch some by-businesses , which hinders them from falling on the Protestants with their whole force . Now this being thus , haue not Protestants iust cause to stand vpon their guard , and to be suspicious of all Treatises with popish princes ; and jealous of all Truces and Leagues , though sworne never so solemnly ?

12 Your famous Bishop Symancha writes , g g Instit: Cathol: Cap: 45 : N● : 14. Haeretiis fides à privat● data servanda non est : Faith made to an Heretike by a private person is not to be kept . A private person may reveale an Heretike to the Inquisitors , non obstante fide et iuramento , though he hath bound himselfe by an oath to the contrary . And h h Ibid. Nec fides a magistr atibus data servanda est haereticis : Faith made to hereticks by the Magistrate , is not to be kept . For so some say , that your Symancha saith , proving his assertion by this , that in the Councell at Constance , Iohn Huss , and Ierom of Prage were iustly burned , albeit the Magistrate had given safe conduct . And i i Apud Co●hlaum lib: 5. Hist: Hussicarum . that your Pope Martin 5 writ to Alexander Duke of Lituaenia , ᵇ Scito te mortaliter peccare , si seruabis fidem datam haereticis : Know thou sinnest mortally , if thou keep thy oath with Hereticks . And that your Divines in France , An. 1577. k k Thuanuo Hist: lib: 42. ad An : 1568. pag: 877. et lib: 63. ad An : 1577. pag: 123. Aperto capite in concionibus ; & evulgatis seriptis , ad fidem sectarijs servandam non ohligari principem contendebant , allato in eam rem Con. Constant . decreto , taught publikely both in the Pulpit , and by the presse . That Princes were not bound to keep touch with Sectaries , alledging to that end a Decree of the Councel of Constance . Now , and if oaths bind not ( which in l l Swear vnto me by God , that thou wilt not kil . me , &c. 1 Sam 30. 15. old time were held the best security ) what should we say , but farewell trust with you ?

13 It is generally reported you teach , Aman framing to ᵈ himselfe a true Proposition , m m W. W. In his sparing discovery of the English Iesui●es , &c pag 11. printed Anno 1601. and in his Quodlibe● , printed 1602. pag. 66. when he is asked a question , may conceale as much thereof as hee thinkes good . As for example . If one of you should be examined , whether if the Pope did come in warr-like manner to invade this Realm : by force , he would take the Popes part or the Kings : that man framing this answer in his minde ; I will take the Kings part , if the Pope will command me so to doe ; may giue this answer lawfully : I will take the Kings part ; concealing the rest , and so delude the Examiner . n n Nauar : in Manuali Cap: 12. Nu: 18. et P●t : Giwarain Compend : Navarri Cap: 12. Nu: 18. In like manner , if one of you having Horse and Money , should be importuned by one of your honest friends , ( to whom you are not bound by law to giue or lend ) to giue , or lend him Horse or money , you framing this Proposition in your minde , I haue neither Horse nor money , to giue or lend : may safely sweare , You haue neither Horse nor money ; and keep the rest to your selfe , and so mocke your friend . Yea , it is generally reported that o o Nauar : lib: Catal: Cap: 21. Nu: 18. you teach you may bluntly and absolutely deny some truths . For Confitens non peccat mortaliter qui negat se admisisse peccatum mortale alias legitime confessum : If a Traitor or murtherer , haue once lawfully confessed his Treason and murder : if afterwards he be examined , whether he ever plotted any treason , or committed any Murther : he sins not mortally , though hee deny that he was at any time guiltie of such crimes , say you . And if a man be examined of any fact of his , whereof the Examiner ( as he thinks ) knowes nothing : such a man may sweare he is innocent of such a deed , according to your learning . Which appeares by this p p See the proceedings against the late Traytors , printed An. 1606. that Garnet the superiour of your Iesuits here in England , having had conference with Hall the Iesuit ; being asked by the Lords of his Maiesties Honourable Councell , whether He and Hall , had conference together : he denyed it vpon his soule , reiterating his deniall , with many detestable execrations , till he perceived that his fellow Hall had confessed it . In briefe , according to your learning , q q Soto Relect. Memb: 3. q : 3. pa: 306. If one of you see Peter kill Iohn , and come to be examined vpon the poynt ( if no body else saw ) he may answer , That he knowes not , whether Peter killed Iohn , or no. And r r Sa: in Aph●ris : de testibus . generally , if you be asked a question not iuridically , you may answer , That you know nothing concerning it , provided you reserue in your mind , Which you are bound to reveale . Now can such aequivocation by mentall reservation , and blunt deniall of knowne truthes , stand with plaine dealing , s s Ecclus: cap : 37. ver: 23. truth and honesty . In your r vulgar Latine we read , Qui sophistice loquitur , odibilis est . He that speakes aequivocally , is worthy of Tiburne . Wherefore you had best looke to it .

14. You commend a kind of blind-fold & sottish obedience , t t Masfau● de vi● : Ignat. lib. 3. c. 27 which consists in the Inferiours submitting both of his will , and iudgment , to his Superiour . You u u Ibid. say , it is sancta , sapiensque stultitia : an holy and wise kind of sottishnes . x x Ribera Comment. in Amos 6. pag. 269. Omnes qui parent , ac presertim Religiosi homines , capite carere debent . 1. Non suo , sed Rectoris sui concilio duci . All inferiors , especially Religious persons , should be headles , meaning , they should be directed , not by their owne wits , but by their Superiours . For prudentia quidem , nonobedientis , verum imperantis est . And it is not requisite in an Inferiour , but in the Superiour , as y y Apud Massaeum loco supra citato . Ignatius Loyola told a great Mounsier . By this the Inferiour is brought to be leeue , z z Ribadenera de vita Ign●tij lib. 5. Cap. 4. Id rectum quodcunque sit a superioribus praescriptum . That whatsoever his Superiour bids him doe , its right . And a a Ibid. that he is bound to doe that , ad quod superiorumpropensum cernit , tamet si ille nihil precipiat : which he seeth his Superiour hath a mind should be done , though he command it not to be done . He that is blessed with this , b b Epistola Ig●a●ij ae virtute obedientiae Nu: 16. he listneth to the voyce of his Superiour as to the voyce of Christ : c c Masfaus lib: 3. vit : Igna●ij cap : 7 He delayes no time by examining the reasons , of his Superiours command . But d d Epistola Igna●ij Nu: 18. sine vlla prosus disquisitione : without reasoning the case with himselfe , he falls to his worke . e e Regul: Societatis Iesuit : pag. 12. Edit. Lugd. 1004 If the Iferiour be writing and the Superiour call him , the Inferiour may not stay the finishing of a letter , though it be begun by him , f f Igna●ij Epistola Nu. 18. If his Superiour command him to water a dry stick , set in the ground , till it grow and bring forth fruite , the Inferiour must water it so long . g g In vit. Petrum par● . 2. de Obedidieni●a . If the Superiour command his Inferiour to fetch him a stone , which twenty men are not able to carry , he must attempt it . h h Ibid. If the Superiour command his Inferiour to cast his child into a River of waters , or into an hot fiery furnace , the Inferiour must cast him in . Yea , you were wont to teach in plaine termes , h h Ibid. That Inferiours may not intendere in mandata Dei : sed patri su● spirituali , omnem voluntatem suam committere , qui illi per omnia obediens , non incurrit peccatum apud Deum : heed what God commandeth : but he must referre himselfe wholly to the guidance of his Superiour , because in obeying his Superiour in all things , he is quit from sinning against God . Now I pray you , Is not this to make Inferiours bondmen to men , contrary to the Apostles Counsell , 1 Cor: 7. 23 ? Is not this in effect to bind men ( as the i i Rabbi . Selon . Iarch . in Deut 17. See . Iyra in De● . 17. Iewes did ) to beleeue , that the right hand is the left , and the left hand is the right , if a Priest tell them so ? Your Loyola , who was not ashamed to k k Maffaus lib. 3. cap. 7. vi● . Igna●ij . say , that in verba Romani Pontificis pr●cipu● sacramento iuraverat , he had bound himselfe by the solemnest oath to doe as the Pope bad him : and your Cardinall , who l l Bell lib 4 de Re. Po●t . cap. 5. writes , that Si Papa erraret pracipiendo vitia , vel prohibendo virtutes , teneretur Ecclesiae credere ; vitia esse bona , et virtute● malas , nisi vellet contra conscientiam peccare . If the Pope should erre in commanding vice , and forbidding vertue , the Church was bound to beleiue , that vice was vertue , and vertue vice : vnlesse shee was disposed to sinne against conscience . Speake not so farre over herein , as in commending blind obedience , to every loggerhead Superiour , perhaps m m Ignat●j Epistela Nu. ● . de vertute obeditntiae . both destitute of wit , and grace , for such Ragguls this blind obedience is to be yelded . But I passe to another question , wherein I require satisfaction .

15 Is it not true Sir Priest , n n Conc. Lat. sub Iaeone 10. et Synod . Trid. Sess 4. That by the late Orders of your Church , nothing must be published in print , except it be first viewed , and allowed by men thereunto authorised ? And doth it not therevpon follow , in your opinion , ( as well as in o o Author of ths grounds of the Old and New Relig in his Answer to Mr. Crashaw concern . Roman forgeries . some others of your fellows ) that whatsoeuer commeth now forth seemeth to be approued by your Church ? And if so , Haue you any cause , Sir Priest , to take your selues wronged , when you are charged with the opinions of this , or that , particular man , who hath written , since such order was taken by your Church ? Or any reason to thinke , rhat you haue quit your selues well , when being charged with readinesse to Rebell , as soone as you are able to make your part good : and with commending of Traytors , and the doctrine of Aequivocation : You answer , that the proofes against you are not fetched from generall Councels : or Decrees of your Popes , but from particular persons ? Remember , Sir Priest , that your Churches viewing and allowing of particular mens opinions , makes them generall . And so that answer is proved idle .

16 By your doctrine , He sinneth not , who hath probable reason for what he doth : For , Non peccat is , qui probabiliter licere existimat id , quod agit , p p Apol pro Gar●eto Cap. 10 Nu. 2. p. 27● . edit . Colon. 1610. saith Eudaemon a Iesuite of yours . And Potest quis facere , quod probabili ratione , vel authoritate putat licere . A man may lawfully doe that , for doing whereof he hath either probable reason , or authority , saith q q Sa. Aphoris . verbo . dubium . another of your Iesuites . Now by your doctrine hee hath probable reason for that which he doth , who hath two or three graue Authors on his side . For , I see not how , without arrogant temerity , a Catholike man can affirme , the practise of Aequivocation ( it being probable that men may aequivocate , because two or three graue Authors say so ) in time and place to be sinfull , saith the r r Chapt. 4. Author of the Treatise of Aequivocation . Yea by your doctrine , he hath probable reason for that which he doth , who hath the opinion of one graue Author on his side . For Qui consilio boni et periti viri aliquid efficit , prudenter et bene agit , quamuis re ipsa malum sit , quod eligit . He that doth any thing by the direction of honest and wise men , doth both wisely and well , though perhaps the thing bee euill which he doth , s s Ins●i● . Moral par. 1. lib. 2. cap. 16. 2. quar●●r saith the Iesuite Anorius . And , In soro conscientiae , ad effectum non peccandi sufficit cligere pro vera eius opinionem , quem merito consemus esse virum idonea ad id scientia , et conscientia praeditum : It , is enough to cleare vs in the Court of conscience from sin , if wee follow his opinion , whom vpon good ground , we take to be a learned and a conscionable man , t t Manuele Cap. 27. Nu. 288. saith Navarrus . And this being thus , doth it not from hence follow , that they who take Creswell , and Parsons , and Bellarmine , and Bannes , for learned and honest men , may put in practise , whatsoever one of them thinks lawfull ? u u Lib. 1. de Rego Cap. 7. May not they who thinke Iohannes Mariana ( who holds it lawfull to poyson Kings ) a learned and an honest man , poyson Kings without sinne ? May not they who thinke Garnet ( one of the Powder traytors ) a learned and an honest man , x x See the preceedings against the late Traytors , printed 1606. by his example , and by his approving of the Treatise of Aequiuocation , aequiuocate with out sinne ? May not they who thinke Binetus a learned and an honest men conceale without sinne whatsoeuer is told them in confession , though that concealing cost the liues of all the Kings in Christendome , yea in the world : y y Teste Casa● bono in Epistola ad Frontonem Ducaeum , pag. 140. they knowing that Binetus was of that minde .

17 You teach , g that the Word of God is partly written , z z Bellar lib. de verbo Dei non scripto , cap. 2. partly vnwritten , and the written word you call Scripture , the vnwritten Tradition . yet you vndertake to prooue diuers of your opinions both by Scripture and by Tradition : As for example , Praying to Saints , praying for the dead , setting vp of Images in Churches , and worshipping them when they are set vp , Christs descention into hell : the virgine 〈◊〉 perpetuall virginitie , &c. Now I would know with what honestie you can alledge Scripture for that which you say is a tradition , or tradition for that which you say you haue Scriptures ? Can one and the same truth be written and not written ?

18 You teach , that h h Bellar. lib. 4. de verbo non scripto , cap. 8. it was not meete all mysteries should be written in Scripture , i i Coste●a● Apol. pro 1 Par. Enchy n●ra Go●eru To. 2. lest every ordinary person should come to the knowledge of them ; and because of the commonnes of them , contemne them . Now I desire to know , why the mysteries of the Trinitie should be written in Scripture , rather then those mysteries you speake of , if there be such danger that ordinary persons should attain to the knowledge of whatsoever is written in Scripture ; and vpon the knowledge of them , should contemne them . Secondly I desire to know , why it should be lesse meete , that the mysteries you speake of , should be written in Scripture , then in the Fathers , and in your Catechismes ? Ordinary persons are as like to come to the knowledge of them by reading if not the Fathers , yet of your Catechismes , wherein you discourse of them as large , as if they were written in Scripture . Are they not , thinke you ?

19 Men say you teach , that k k Ioh. de Rada par. 2. Th●●l controv . inter Sco●um & Tho. cout . 20. act. 2. conclus. 6. Licet praeceptum prelati sit irrationale , & pro tali merito quandeque haberi potest , tenetur tamen subditus illud obseruare : Though the commandement of the superiour be vnreasonable , and may well enough be thought so , yet the Inferiour is bound to obey it . Men say , you teach , l l Bellar lib. 4. de Ro. Pon● . Cap 5. & Car●ri●● de potest Pont lib. 1 Cap. 13. Nu. 16. Si Papa erraret pracipiendo vitia , velpro hibendo virtutes , teneretur Ecclesia credere vitia esse bona , et virtutes malas ; nisi vellet contra consctentiam peccare : that if the Pope should erre in commaunding vice , and forbidding vertue , the Church was bound to belieue ( vnles she would sin against her , conscience ) that vice was commendable , and vertue dispraisable . m m ●ar●l●le p●test Paep : cap : 41. pag: 341. Men are bound , Papae sententiam' exequi , to put the Popes sentence in execution , albeit they know it to be vniust . Any man Illaesa consceentia , with a good conscience may execute the Popes vnlawfull mandate , by your learning . Now I pray you , how agrees this doctrine with that of the Apostles , Acts 5. 29. It is better to obey God then man ?

16 Sir Priest , I reade in your bookes , that your Pope is called a a Conc : Floren● : Sess: vl● . Caput totius Ecclesiae , b b An●●n Puecius in Orat : habit : Sess: 9. Conc : ●at : sub Leone 10. Pater Ecclesiae , Filiu● Ecclesiae , Sponsus Ecclesiae , c c Grae●ser : Tot. 1. defens : cap : 10. lib. 3. Beil . Col: 1450. Mater Ecclesia : The head of the whole Church , the Father of the Church , the sonne of the Church , the Spouse of the Church , the Church our mother . Now I would know of you , how hee can be the Church her selfe , and yet head of the Church , and the Churches husband ? How hee can be Father to the Church , and yet a sonne of the Church ? How without committing incest , the father may marry his daughter , the brother may marrie his sister , the sonne may marrie his mother ?

17 : I reade in your bookes , that your Pope is not onely called the Vicar of Christ , and Successour of S. Peter but d d Dist: 63. Ego ●udo vi●us . ●●nifacius 〈◊〉 : Apostolus in Epist: ad C●●●ert . Ar●hiep : Caut : apud Baron : Annal: To : 9 ad An : 740. S. Peters Vicar , and e e Sacr●● : ●aer●m : Ro: Eccles: lib. 1. sect: 1. Gabriel Patriarch . Alix●● . in admon●e . ●egatis a Cl●m . 8 data , quae habe●●r ad finem . Annal Baron To. ● . Nu. 4. Thom. A●●tn . de Regimine P●●●ip l. ● . c. 10. 〈◊〉 de rempo●a Eccles. Mo●●eh . l. ● . c : 7. ●●atra de Offi● . Vicar●● 〈◊〉 . Christs Successor in respect of the gouernment of the Church . Now here I desire to know two things of you : first , how your Pope comes to be S. Peters Vicar , seeing S. Peter himselfe is but a Vicar : and it is a rule in your Law , f Vicarius non potest substi●●●● Vicarium : A Vicar cannot substitute a Vicar Secondly , how without blasphemie your Pope can be called Christs Successour , seeing hee to whom another succeedeth in office , doth cease himselfe to beare that office ; as g g Act. 24. Felix did cease to bee Gouernour in Iurie , when Festus came in place to be his successour . I hope you doe not thinke that Christ , who endureth for euer , hath turned over all care of his Church to your Pope .

22 I reade in your h h Gene●r : Chron: l : 4 ad An. 1551 bookes , that in the yeare 1552. your Pope was intituled by a certaine Patriarke called Siud , The Peter of our time , and the Paul of our dayes : and that i i Baron : ad finem To. 6. Annal. Clemens the eight was intituled by one Gabriel Patriarke of Alexandria , Tertius decimus Apostolorum gloriosi Domini nostri Iesu Christi , & quintus sanctorum Evangelistarum : The thirteenth Apostle of our Lord and Sauiour Iesus Christ , and the fift Evangelist . And that Genebrard approoved of the titles which Siud gaue ; and Baronius of those which Gabriel gaue . Now I desire to know of you , why Genebrard should like that any Pope should be called the Peter of our time , seeing k k Baron Annal. To : 11. ad An : 1009. Sergius the fourth , being christened Peter , vpon his election to be Pope , in reverence to St. Peter , renounced the name of Peter , and tooke the name of Sergius : and secondly , how Clemens the eight can with any wisedome be held the thirteenth Apostle of our Saviour Christ , and the fifth Evangelist , considering there were seven Popes of his owne name , and vpon the point of 230 Popes of other names before him . For I cannot heare that he was such an A perse , as that he deserued these titles rather then any of his predecessors . And if all or any of his predecessors deserved to be called Apostles and Evangelists , Gabriel ( in my opinion ) failed in his Arithmeticke , when he termed him the thirteenth Apostle , and the fifth Evangelist .

23 I reade in your bookes , that the jurisdiction of your Pope is boundlesse : His Dominion ( as Christs , Psal: 72. 8. ) is from Sea to Sea , and from the River vnto the ends of the world ? Whereas the iurisdiction of the rest of their Cleargie hath narrower bounds by much . Yet I reade in m m Hist● : 3. 〈◊〉 6. Eusebius of Chrytofersons translations , that in Traians time , Pope Clemens governed the Church of Rome ; and Iohn the Evangelist the Churches in Asia . Now I desire to know whether this doth not argue , that Pope Clemens iurisdiction was lesser then S. Iohns , seeing it is apparent hereby , that Pope Clemens governed but one Church , and S. Iohn many .

24 n n Leo 10. in 〈◊〉 data Ro: S●ss : 11 , Cō : Lat: An. 1516 quae habetur apud 〈◊〉 Io: 4. Cont: p : 639. You teach , solum Ro. Pont. Conciliorum indicendorum plenum ius et potestatem habere . That your Pope only hath full right and power to call Councels . Now if that be true , I desire to know how it came to passe , that he called none by the space of a thousand yeares and vpward to be kept at Rome , or some other place in Italy France , or Germany : but all in the ●ast , as namely at Nice , at Constantinople , at Ephesus , at Chalcedon , whither he could not goe in person partly for age , and partly for other lets . And why , hee disliking both the place , and the time , appointed for the fourth generall Councell , did not appoint an other place , and an other time , but sent thither his Legats at the Emperours commandement .

25 o o Bellar 〈◊〉 . Cont: Cap: 11. You teach , that Councells , which want your Popes approouement , are of no great worth . Now , if such doctrine went for currant of old , I desire to know how it came to passe , that those Fathers who were pressed with the testimonies of Councels not approved by your Pope , as namely , Athana●ius , and p p To. 6. l. 1. cont. Maxim. in Arian . o● l. 3. c. 14. St. Austin : did never alledge that circumstance in way of weakning their credit : much lesse in way of making a Nullity of them .

20 I reade in your bookes , q q Bellar lib. 1. de Ro. Pont , ca. 16. that S. Peter had authority over all the Apostles , and that the Apostles depende vpon him , as vpon their head and commander , who was to direct them , and to goe in and out before them , and to chastise them . I reade likewise , that after Saint Peters death , your r r Idem lib. 2. de Ro. Pont. ca 13. Popes succeeded him in tota ipsius dignitate & potestate , in all his dignitie and soveraignty . Now it is evident that diverse of the Apostles survived Saint Peter ; as namely , s s Baron . Annal. To. 1 : ad An. 69. Nu. 34. S. Andrew , and t t Sophron. apud Hieron : de script : Eccles: verbo Simon . S. Simon surnamed the Canaanite , ( not in regard of his Countrey , but of his zeale , u u Chap. 6. 1● . as St. Luke witnesseth ) and x x Ierom. de scrip : Eccles: verbo Iohannes . Saint Iohn the Evangelist . Two of these , if not all three , lived till Traians dayes , in which time Linus , Cletus , Cleme●s , sate Bishops at Rome . Now my desire is to know of you , whether you thinke Linus , Cletus , Clemens challenged any soveraigntie over Saint Andrew and Saint Simon the zealous , and Saint Iohn the Evangelist . Mee thinkes Saint Iohn y y Ioh. 21. 20. being the Disciple whom Iesus loued , Saint Iohn being the person who was allowed to z z Ioh. 13. 23. leane on our Sauiours breast at the eating of the Passeouer : St. Iohn being the man to whom our Saviour a a Ioh. 19. 26. commended his Mother at his death : S. Iohn being such a one , as that his wri●●ngs are received for Canonicall : Me thinks ( I say ) ●aint Iohn ( not to speake of the other two ) should ●ot haue beene vnderling to these three Popes . Me ●hinkes hee should ●ot haue depended vpon them ●s on his head for direction : Me thinkes they should not haue had that superioritie over him , that they might haue chasti●ed him .

27 I reade in your bookes , that an Archbishop and Cardinall of yours , called a a Lib: de schism : Pont: iuter German : script : pag: 703. Francis Zabarell , who lived about the yeare 1400 confessed , that certaine flatterers of many ages before his time , and till his time , had perswaded the Popes , quod omnia possent , & sic , quod facerent quicquid libere● , etiam illicita , & sic plus quam Deus : they could doe all things , and might doe any thing , were it never so vnlawfull , and by that means they could doe more then God . And to tell you truly , I doe verily beleeue him . For I doe finde they were told , they might dispense b b C. 15. q. 6. Antoritatem , in Glosse . contra ius naturale , against the law of nature : c c Extra de concess : praebend. 〈◊〉 posuit . in Glossao contra vetus Testamentum , against the old Testament : and d d Ibid. contra Apostolum , against the Apostle Paul . I finde they were tolde , e e Extra de translit : Episco : cap : Qunato , in Glossa . De nihilo possent facere aliquid , they might of nothing make something : f f Ibid. De iniustitia facere possent iustitiam , they might make wrong right : and g g Ibid. in his quae vellent , ij● esse pro ratione voluntatem , they might doe as they list , and no bodie might say , h h Ibid. Domine , ●ur ita facis ? I pray you sir , why doe you so ? I finde some taught , i i Tosté Ioh: de Parisii , de pose●●ate Regis et Pepali cap : 23. that Si homicidium Samsonis quod ex : se malum est , interpretamur quod in stinctu divino fuit fanum , multo magis omne factum sanctissimi Patris interpretari debemus in bonum : & siquidem fuerit ●ur●●m , vel aliud ex se malum , interpretari debemus , quod divino instinctu fiat , If we impute the slaughter which Sampson made of the Philistians to an inspiration of Gods Spirit , much more are wee bound to interprete in the best part whatsoever the holy Father the Pope doth : if it be theft , or any other thing which of it selfe is evill , ( k k Dict: 40. Non ●os , in Glossa . as for example murther or adultery ) wee must likewise impute that to the inspiration of Gods Spirit . About the time Zabarel speakes of , it seemes it went for currant , which is noted by a late l l Massonus de vrbis Episc: li: 3. in vi●a Ioh: 9. Historian , Episcopos Romanos ne peccata quidem sine laude committere , the Popes could doe nothing , were it never so mischievous , but it was commendable . His geese were all swans : his vices were vertues . I reade in your bookes , m m Mosconius de maiestate Eccles: Militantis , lib. ● cap : 4. pag: 97. that men are bound to worship him with Dulia : and that some haue professed in his hearing , n n Apud Anton: in sum : hist: part . 3. 〈◊〉 : 22. ca : 27. sect: 1. that they worshipped him with Hyperdulia : and that in effect many haue given him Latriam . For to omit that some haue affirmed he was o o Marcel : in orat hab : sess: 4. conc : Iat : sub Leon : 10 alter Deus in terris , a second God vpon earth . p p Ioh: Aug: Panthaeus Venetus in Arte & Theor ●ransinutat . Metal : ad Leonem 10 impress : Ve●●e : An. 1518. Deus mortali● in terris , et immortalis homo in coelis : a mortall God vpon earth , and an immortall man in the heavens . q q Baron . Annal. To. 7. ad An. 552. That hee hath so much greater power then any of the Prophets , quanto differentius prae illis nomen hareditavit , viz: Tu es Petra , &c: by how much hee hath a more excellent name given him then any of them had , to wit , Thou art a Rocke . Some of you haue given out , that hee is , r r Mass . lib. supra ●itato ca. 1. p. 22 non Deus , non homo , sed vtramque , neither God , nor man , but both . Some of you haue stiled him , as s s Ioh. 20 28. Saint Thomas did our Saviour Christ , with the titles of t t ●xtra . Ioh. 22. eum inter in Glossa . Dominus Deus noster , our Lord and God : and as u u Apoc. 19. 19. Saint Iohn likewise did , with x x Moscon . lib. citato pag. 26. Rex Regum , Dominus dominantium , King of Kings , and Lord of Lords . Some of you now write , y y Baron . Annal. To 1. ad An. 57. Nu. 29. Christus omnem quem a Patre accepit potestatem transfudit in suos : Christ passed over all the power which God the Father gaue him , vnto his , meaning your Popes . Agreeably to others , who in former ages were not ashamed to tell the Pope , that z z Puccius Ora● . hab . in sess. 9. Conc. 〈◊〉 sub Leon● . 10. Tibi vni , to him alone was granted all power both in heaven and in earth . Yea , that there was in Popes all power super omnes potestates tam coeli quam terrae , a a Steph. Patraecensis orat . hab . Sess 10. Conc. Lat. sub Laeone 10. aboue all powers both in heaven and in earth . I need not to tell you of the Bishop who put vp a supplication to Pope Nicolas , in these words , b b Faexellus hist. sicu● . lib. 8. c. 4 Miserere met , fili David . O sonne of David haue mercy vpon me : nor of the Religious persons who came from Panormi and other parts of Sicily as Embassadours to Pope Martin the fourth , to craue his favour , who cried thrice thus , c c Antonin sum . hist. part. 3. tit. 20. cap. 4. sect. 3 Agnus Dei qui tollis peccata mundi , miserere nobis : O thou Lambe of God who takest away the sinnes of the world , haue mercy vpon vs : nor of him , who in way of proving your Popes omnipotency , bids his Reader note , d d Varaldus in candelabro aureo tit . de absolutione Nu. 28. Quod in concesstonibus vtitur illo verbo , Fiat , quo Deut vniversum creavit orbem : that your Pope in subscribing petitions , vseth the word , Let it bee , by which God created the whole world : intimating , that as God , so your Pope by a word of his mouth may doe any thing : nor of them who against the comming of Paul the third vnto the Citty of Tolentonum in Italy , set this inscription over the gates , e e See Morn●y de Ecclesia , cap. 8. & Moulius defence of the King , chap. 25. Paulo tertio , opt : max : in terris De● , To Paul the third , the best and greatest God in earth . Now that which I desire to know of yo●● is , what difference in substance there is betweene many of these speeches concerning your Popes , and theirs in the Acts of the Apostles , who applauding Herods Oration , cryed amaine , f f Act. 12. 22. Vox Dei & non hominis , the voice of God , and not of man ? And whether your Pope be not as guilty as Herod was , who hearing with his owne eares diverse of these blasph●mous speeches , and perhaps all by report , did neither reproue them vpon his eare hearing them , nor cause them to be razed out of the bookes wherein they are written , having knowledge thereof at the second hand .

28 I reade in your bookes , that you haue had many vnlearned Popes , not much wiser then the a a Gabri●l de Ba●a●●te feri● 2. heb●● . 3. de pr●●●rat . confess . Bishop , who examining one that was to bee made Deacon , in stead of asking , Quot sunt Sacramenta Ecclesiae ? how many Sacraments are there in the Church ? demanded , Qu●t sunt septem Sacramenta ? how many are the seven Sacraments ? To whom the Deacon answering , said ▪ Tres ▪ The Bishop replyed , In quibus ? What call you them ? And the Deacon tolde him , their names were , Thur●bulum ▪ Aspersorum , & sancta Crux . For of Iullus the second it is reported , that signing a warrant , in stead of fiat , he wrote fi●tur . And constat plures e rum ade● illiter atos ess● ut Grammati●am penitus ignorent ; It is well knowne that many of the Popes were so vnlearned , that they knew not their Grammar rules , saith c c Lib. 1. cap. 4. adver 〈…〉 edit. antiquis . Alfons●s de C●stro . I reade in your bookes , thatsome of your Popes were silly creatures . You had one , whom your d d Ioh: An 〈◊〉 Baldu● 〈◊〉 & ser. 〈…〉 . Canonists vsually ●al ▪ vnum pec●s , in ●o quod de mane fa●iebat gratia●● , & de sere 〈◊〉 a very Asser : for that in the morning he would grant many men many kindnesses , and at night revoke them all againe . I reade in your bookes , that you had one boy Pope of twelue yeares old , e e Clab●r . Rod●l . hist. lab . 5. ca. v●t . viz. Benedict the ninth : and a May pole-morrice-dancer Pope of f f Baron . Annal. To. 10. ●d an. 955 〈◊〉 3. 18 yeares old , viz Iohn 12. alias 13. who made the Lateran a plaine Stewes , as g g Hist. per ●●r●pum gest . lib. 6. cap : 6. & 7. ●●itpra●●us witnesseth . I read h h Masson . de 〈◊〉 Epis● : lib. 4. i● Ioh: 11. al. 12. that Iohn 11. was a bastardly brat of Pope Sergius● and that you had a i i See the book● intituled Pope Ioane . whore Pope called Ioane . I read that you had N●●r omanticall Popes , such as k k Platin : in 〈◊〉 Silve●●●l . Siluester the second , who gaue himselfe to the diuell both body and soule , that he might attaine the Popedome . l l Idem in vita Bonis : 7. Theefe Pope , such as Bo●●fac● the seuenth , who robbed Saint Peters Church : Sodomiticall Popes , such as Sixt●● the fourth , m m Agripp● de 〈…〉 cap : 64. who built a famous stewes in Rome : peri●red Popes , such as n n Onuph : addit : ad Plat: in vit● Gree: 12. Gregorie the twel●e . Ner●ticall Popes , such as Honorius the first , condemned by the o o Act: 12. & 13. 6. and 7. generall Councels for a M●n●th●lite . A●●●●sticall Popes , such as Leo the tenth , p p Act: 7 : in di●●nit : Synodi . who called the Gospell a ●●ble . q q Bale . Apostaticall Popes , such at those fiftie , who as r r 〈◊〉 lib: ● ▪ sect: ●● ▪ . Ge●●brard writeth , entred in , not by the doore , but by a posterne gate . I reade that s s 〈…〉 . 〈…〉 Pontific●s videntur laborare vt quantum 〈◊〉 ●●erunt supient●s & sancti tantum 〈…〉 the latter Popes seeme to striue ▪ they may shew thems●lmes as very fool●s and 〈◊〉 , is the ●ncient Popes stroue to approue their wisedome and holinesse to the world . Your 〈◊〉 confesseth , that the later popes , t t Chro●●l , ad 〈◊〉 . Christi , 970. 〈…〉 de ●ep ▪ tooke little care how the world went ▪ u u Ad Au: ●●26 . A pretate veterum de . ge●era●●runt , are growne out of kinde . Your x x Re●●● . 4. de p●●●state Pap●t 〈◊〉 Conc. propos . 12. Victoria professeth , they are priscis illis maltis partibus in●eriores , farre worse then their first predecessors . And in y y In Formoso 1. Platina I reade , that virtus et integrit●● defecit , vertue and integritie is decayed in them : and in z z Ad. 〈◊〉 . 954. Fasciculus Temporu●● , that Sanctitas illos dimisit , holinesse hath taken her leaue of them . Men of your selues write , a a Guicciar● hist. lib. 16. In Pontificib●● hodie nemo sanctitatem requirit : optimi putantur sivel leuiter boni sint , vel ●inu mali quam caeteri mortales esse soleant : At this day no man lookes for any honestie in a Pope : th●y are accounted excellent good Popes if they haue but a dram of honestie ; yea , if they surpasse not the wickednesse of other men . At this day the papacie is so dangerous , that b b 〈◊〉 in vit● Marcells ad finem Platine . Marcellus the second protested he did not see , quomodo qui locum hunc l. tissimum tenent , salvari possunt , how a Pope can bee saved . Your Saint c c A●●on . hist par. 3. tit. 23. cap. 14. 〈◊〉 . 1● Katharin of Sienna told Gregorie the 11. that in Romina Curia vbi deberet esse Paradisus deliciarum virtutum , in veniebat foetorem ▪ infernalium vitiorum : Whereas she looked to haue found a Paradise of rare vertues in his Court , shee found in stead thereof a dunghill covered over with hellish vices ▪ the stench whereof shee smelt to Sienna , the place of her dwelling , an hundred miles off . And the d d Th●od●ricus de Niem 〈…〉 in advosa ▪ ●rac ▪ 4. cap. 8. Virgine Mary told Saint Briget ( as some of you say ) that multi Pontifices sunt in in●er●● , many Popes are in hell . And you know that e e Sylvarum lib. 1. Ma●tuans counsell was :

Viver● qui cupitis sanctè , discedite : Roma , Omnia cum lic●ant , non licet esse bonum :

He that desires to liue honestly , let him blesse himselfe from Rome : for a man may be there any thing saue honest ▪ but honest he cannot bee in any wise . Now the question wherein I desire to bee resolved by you , is , whether you thinke indeed , that f f Luk. 2● . when Christ prayed for Saint Peters faith , hee prayed for the faith of your vnlettered Popes , sheepish Popes ▪ boy Popes , swaggering whore-master Popes , bastardly brat Popes , whore Pope , Necromantical Popes , theefe Popes , Sodomiticall Popes , periured Popes , hereticall Popes , Atheisticall Popes , and Apostaticall Popest For there is no question but g g Ioh: 1● . 4● . Christ obtained alwayes the things which hee prayed for : and me thinkes there should be no question , but when our Saviour prayed for Saint Peters faith , that it should not faile , by the name of faith , he meant a liuely Christian faith , which workes by loue , and which h h Rom 3. 2● . embraceth the promises of the mercie of God ; which whosoever hath , i i Ioh: 6 ▪ 17. hath assurance of eternall life ▪ and if so , how is it credible that he prayed for all these ?

29 Your Sixtus . 5. caused you vulgar Latine to be corrected , and printed at Rome in the yeare 1590. k k B●ron . Annul . To. ● . ad 〈◊〉 ▪ 23● N● . 62. The paines hee tooke therein , as it seemeth , was wonderfull . For not withstanding all other his papall businesse , hee l l Angelus 〈◊〉 comment . de 〈◊〉 . Vat●ca S. 〈◊〉 . 5. condita pag. ●●● read over every word of the Bible before it was printed , and after too , correcting with his owne hands the 〈◊〉 of the print . Then hee published it , and printed his B●●l before it in stead of a Pre●ace , signifying therein that his good will and pleasure wa● , that this onely should goe for Authenticall ▪ and that 〈…〉 impression● in time to come , should be 〈…〉 to it , without any change ▪ without taking away ▪ or adding so much as a letter ▪ and that all former impressions , yea and Manuscripts differing from this , should bee of no credit ▪ and all this he required vpon paine of the greater excommunication . Yet after the death of Vrban 7. Greg. 14. and Innocent 9. successours of Sixt● ▪ 5. n n A●no 1592. comes Clemens 8. and hee sets out another Bible , differing much from that of Sixtus in many materiall poynts ; avowing that this Edition of his , is ( doubtlesse ) better then any Edition whatsoever heretofore imprinted . Now that which I desire to know of you , is , whether Sixtus erred in commending his Bible , or Clemens in commending his Bible , or both of them in their severall commendations : for I thinke you will not say , commending bookes so different , they both spake truth .

30 Sir Priest , is not this of a a In Sym● : To : 2. operum Athanas : edit. Com●l●● . Anno 1600. Athanasius good Divinity , Filius à Patre soloest , nec factus , ne● creatu● : The Son is of the Father alone , not made , nor c●eated ? If so , then I pray you tell mee , how without blasphemy b b Discip : de Temp: fe . 111. Cassanaus Catal: glori●e mund par: 3. confid : 3 fol. 4. Biel. lect. 4 〈◊〉 . M●ss● . you can say , Sacerdos est creator sui Creat●ris , A Priest is the creator of his Creator ? meaning Christ the Sonne of God .

31 ▪ Againe , if it be currant Divinity which the same c c I●●o supra ci●●to . Athana●ius delivers , Christus Deus ex substantia Patris , homoex substantia matris : Christ is of the substance of his Father as he is God , and of the substance of his mother as he is man : Tell me where the witt of your Iohn ▪ 22. was , when d d Horeb : Virg: 〈◊〉 sancta f●ecles ▪ fol: 68. edit: Paris . 1516. he said , Rex fit ex pane , The King ( meaning Christ , the King of heaven ) is made bread . And why you are not ashamed to retaine in your Canon Law these words , e e De conse● : d : ● . 〈◊〉 : 72. vtrum sub . Corpus Christi & sa●gui● , expanis & vini substantia efficitur : The body and bloud of Christ is made of the substance of bread and wine .

32 If it be true which f f De Civit : 〈◊〉 , l. 1. 29. Austin saith , that God is nusquam inclusus , penned in in no place : and that the great g g ●●rip . in Cyclop Act: 4. Clyclops ( when Vlysses told him , that the wine which he had in a bottle , was the god Bacchus ) did not without cause in a wonderment reply , what ? A god in a Bottle ? I pray you tell me , why you pen vp your Sacrament , which h h Allen de sacrific Euch cap. 41. & Bristo Motiue 26. you acknowledge for your God , in a pixt or in a boxe ? Of a bee in a boxe , I haue heard much by many ; but of a god in a boxe , I neuer heard but by papists .

33. If it be euident that they are no gods , whose priests keepe their Temples with dores , and with lockes , and with harres , ●est their gods should bee spoiled by robbers , as i i Verse 17. Baruch saith in his 6. Chapter , which goes for Canonicall Scripture with you . If they , who cannot de●end themselues from thee●es and robbers , deserue not to be reputed gods , as the k k Verse 56. same Author saith . If l l Hom. 56. in Gen. 31. Chrisostome iustly derided Laban , when he said : O excellentem insipientiam ! T●les sunt dij tui , vt quis eo● furari possit ? Non erubescis ●●cere , Quare furatus es deos ●eos ? O notable foole●rie ! Are thy gods such gods as may be stolne ? Art thou not ashamed to say , Why hast thou stolne my gods ? Why should not you and your fellowes sir priest , be whoopt at ▪ for holding the Sacrament to bee God , which for feare of stealing , m m Lindwood consti● . Pro●i●● . lib. 3. Titulo de custodis Euch●r . 〈◊〉 clausura , in c. digni●●imum . you would not haue hung ouer the high Alter vnder a Canop●● , but reserued in a surer place , vnder locke and key .

34. If it bee euident that they be no gods , which cannot be preserued from rust and wormes ▪ which feele not when things which creepe out of the earth ea● them , as it seemes by n n Chap. 6. v. 11. 19. Baruch before mentioned : seeing it is the generall doctrine of your Church . o o Ioseph . Angles ●lores . Quest: Theol: in 4. Sext : part : 1. q : de suscept : Euch : ad 3. difficultat : 2. pag: 96. That wormes may breed in your Sacrament : that bruite beasts , hogs , dogs , mice , choughs , &c. may eat 〈◊〉 . Are not you singular o●-caps , to hold the Sacrament for your Lord and your God ?

35 Ecuqem ●●m amentem esse putes qui illud quo v●●catur deum credat esse ? Thinkest thou there is any man so mad , that holds that for his god , whereof he eates ? saith p p Apud Cicer : l. 1 de Nat. deorum . Cotta . Quomodo quis sanae mentis deum nuncuparit id , quod vero Deo oblatum , tandem ipse comedit ? How can any man of reason thinke that to be god , which hee offereth in sacrifice to the true God , and afterwards eates thereof himselfe ? saith q q Quaest. 11 , in Levit. Theodoret. And if this be true , doe not you deserue to be sent to Bedlem for eating the Sacrament , which you call your Lord and your God ? Auerroes ( r r Espane . de Euch adorat , lib. 4. ● . 3 they say ) professed that he had travailed a great part of the world , and that hee had seene many men of different Religions , and yet hee found not any , Christiana deteriorem aut tam fatuam , worse or foolisher then the popish Christian , Quia Deum suum q●e● co●une , dentibue devorabant , because they tare him with their teeth , whom they worshipped for their god .

36 The God of right beleeving Christians is s s 1 Ioh: 5. 20. life it selfe , and giues life to others , even t t Ioh. 6. everlasting life to them who eate him , as the Scriptures speake of eating him . But your God is such a God , and your fashion of eating such an eating , as that a man by eating your God after your fashion , may easily be poysoned . And I pray you then , how can your God bee reputed the God of right beleeving Christians ?

That a man maybe poysoned by eating your God ( that is , the Sacrament ) after your fashion , it is plaine by diverse examples , For ,

Victor 3. one of your popes , Fuit extinctus per venenum in calicem missum , was killed with poyson in the chalice , saith u u In Chron: ad An 1005. Polon●● , and x x Fas . ●c . Temp: ad An. 109● . others .

Henricus Archiep. Eborac●●s . cum diuine celebraret mysteria , hausto in ipso calice ( vt aiunt ) ve●eno obijt : Henrie Archbishop of Yorke died ( as they say ) of poyson , by drinking of the Chalice when he administred the Sacrament , saith y y Hist: Augl : in vita Step●an : A● : 115. p : 122. Mathew Paris .

Henricus 7. Imperator intoxicatus fuit sumendo Eucharistiam , Henrie 7. Emperour of Rome was poysoned in receiuing the Sacrament , saith z z Ad An : 1314. Fasciculus Temporum .

Nuper Prior noster misericordia Venetijs veneno in calice sublatus fuit : Of late a prior of ours in Venice was kild with poyson put into the Chalice , saith a a See Moni●a Polici●● , impres● Francofurt . Iohn Baptista Leo Embassadour to the Duke of Vrbinus .

37. A b b Apud Gui●mundum lib: 〈◊〉 de Sacram. Synod of your Bishops in Italy decreed , That when the true flesh of Christ and his true blood appeare at the celebration of the Sacrament in their proper kind , both the flesh and the 〈◊〉 should be 〈◊〉 in the midst of the Altar for speciall relikes . Now I would know of you ▪ Sir priest , what reason you haue to make a relike of your god . Is it not enough for you to reserue Relikes of Sainte , but you must reserue Relikes of god , the sanctifier of Saints , yea God himselfe for a relique .

38. I read that you c c Summa Angelica , verbo Missa Nu: 18. & verbo ●ucharistia , sect. 3. Nu. 5. prescribe , Si musca vel arenea cadat in calicem post consecrut●●nem , &c. If either flie or spider fall into the Chalice after the words of consecration , so that there be feare of poysoning or prouocation to vomit ; the priest shall take sanguinem illum , & igne combur at cum alique stupa , vel p●mo lineo in ipso madefacto , that blood , and burne it by the helpe of some tow or linnen rods dipped in it . Now whether it be poysoned or not poysoned , whether it be such as will prouoke vomit or not prouoke vomit , as long as the species remaines , it is your God : And how then can you cleare your selues from burning of your God .

39. I read you teach d d Conc : ●●id : Sess: 22. ●an . 1. that in your Masse , Christ is truly and properly sacrificed by you : and withall I read you teach , that e e Bellar : lib: 1. de Missa , cap : 1. whatsoeuer is truly and properly sacrificed , if it be a liue thing , it is killed . Now I would gladly know of you , if this be thus , how you can excuse your selues from killing of Christ : for Christ whom you sacrifice truly and properly , as you say , is a liue thing ?

40. I read you teach , f f ●ellar : lib: 1. de Missa . cap : 12. Perconsecrationem fit vt Christi corpus vere & visibiliter adsi● super mensam : that by consecration Christs body and blood is truly and visibly vpon the Altar . Visibly , g g Alex : lib: 1. de Euch : Sacramen : cap : 37. not meerly in regard of the sp●cies vnder which they lie , but simply and properly ; yet I neuer met with papist hitherto , who durst venture his credit , that if his consecrate host was shuffled with vnconsecrate hosts , or his consecrated chalice set among vnconsecrated chalices , he was able by sight to discerne which was his God ? Dare you , Sir priest , venture a booke offixe pence price , that your sight will serue you better ?

41 Your h h 〈◊〉 : in Hebr 1. 6. Rhemists tell vs , wheresoeuer Christs person is , there it ought to be adored of men and Angells . And vpon that ground ( I thinke ) you imagining that he is in the Priests hands at the elevation in the Masse , and in the Pixe which is carried by the Priest when he goes to visite the sicke ; you bow or fall downe vpon your knees adoring him . Now I would gladly know , why you bow not , or fall not downe vpon your knees before every Communicant vpon his receiving of the Sacrament ; seeing according to your doctrine , every of them receiues his maker , he is in every of their bellies .

42 I am told you teach , i i Bellar : lib: 4 : de Euch : e. 16. that there is no Transubstantiation , except he be a Priest who consecrates , and k k Idem lib. 1. de Saca● : in genere . c : 27. haue an intent to consecrate . Yea , I am told that some of l l Ioh: de Combis in compend : Theol: lib: 6 cap : 6. you teach , that to Transubstantiation Non solumre quiritur intentio consecrantis , sed etiam intentio istud Sacramentum instituentis : It is not onely requisite that the Priest haue an intent to consecrate , but that Christ haue an intent also that hee shall consecrate . Now seeing it is confessed by divers of you , that m m Pa●lus Langius in C●r n : Cib : ad An : 1514 Ioh: Franc : lroin Thesan●o Foro Eccles: par● : 3 do prohibis : & pran ijs . Nu: 57. some haue taken vpon them the name of Priests , who were none : n n Bo●in Damou● mani● . lib: ca : 5. Ni● : Plow : ●ract : de Euch : some being Priests , haue vsed the word of consecration , without intent to consecrate ; and osometimes Christ is not disposed the Priest should consecrate , though he speake the words , o o Ioh: de Comb : loco supra citato . and purposeth to consecrate : I would know how any Papist can possibly know , when any of your hosts are transubstantiated , and when hee may safely adore it ? Because except there be Transubstantiation , he committeth Idolatry in adoring ; adoring bread and wine the creatures in stead of the Creator ?

43 Iram Iudicis placare nescit oblatio , nisi ex munditia placeat offerentis , ideirco non Abel ex muneribus , sed ex Abel munera oblata placuerunt : prius namque ad eum legitur , Dominus respexisse qui dabat , quàm ad illa quae dabat : No sacrifice is acceptable to God , except the sacrificer be acceptable ; and therefore it is , that God had not respect to Abel because of his offerings , but hee had respect to the offerings because of Abel : for it is written , that God first respected the giuer , before hee respected the gift , saith p p Lib. 23. Expos: on Iob. c. 31. cap : 〈◊〉 Saint Gregory , And if this be true , I would know how you can auoide the acknowledgement of this paradoxe , viz. That God is better pleased with your Masse-priest then with his Christ : or rather this , That God respects his Christ for your Prists sake , and not your Priest for his Christs sake ; seeing your Masse-priests are the sacrificers , and Christ himselfe ( according to your learning ) the sacrifice : especially this being considered withall , that your priests , after consecration , q q 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Miss●● . pray God he will vouchsafe to look downe with a mercifull and chearefull countenance vpon the things offered , ( to wit , Christ in your learning ) and to accept them , as he did vouchsafe to accept the offerings of his righteous seruant Abel . For it seemes by this prayer , that the Priests presume more of their owne credit with God , then of their offerings , in that they desire the gifts may be accepted at their request , and not they for the gifts .

44 It is plaine by Scripture , that Abraham Isaak , Iacob , Moses , Dauid , &c. were holy men , and in great fauour with God . For we reade in Scripture , that Abraham is termed the father of the faithfull , Rom. 4. 11. and the friend of God , Iames 2. 23. that Isaack was the child of promise , Gal. 4. 28. that Iacob was beloued of God , Mal. 1. 2. and preuailed with God , Gene. 32. 28. that God speake to Moses face to face , as a man speakes to his friend , Exod: 33. 11. and that there arose not a Prophet since like Moses , Deut 34. 10 , that Christ was Dauids Sonne , Math. 15. 22. and Dauid a man after Gods owne heart , Acts 13. 22. But it is not plain by Scripture , nor by any ancient approoued Author , that your George , your Christopher , your Katharin , your V●sula , your Margaret , were holy persons , and in great fauour with God : yet you make speciall prayers to these , and none to Abraham , Isaak , Iacob , Moses , or Dauid : whereof I desire to know the reason . For me thinks it is grosse foolery , to neglect the old approoued Saints , and to dote and rely vpon younger , of whose sanctity , yea of whose entity , we haue no certaintie .

45 It is written in your bookes , Bernard de 〈◊〉 in Mariah , par● , 12. ser: 2. de 10. ronat : Mariae , par: 1. Excellen . 6 that Maria apud Deum omnibus Sanctis potentior est , Maria sola plus potest apud Deum impetrare , quam omnes Sancti in coelo : The virgin Mary can prevaile more of her selfe alone with God , then all the Saints in heauen beside . Yea , it is written by Ludolphus , and Crysostome a visitatione , that velocior est nonnun quam salus inuocato nomine Mariae , De vita Iesu par. 2. c. 68. fol. 257. quam inuocato nomine Domini vnici Filij eius : men oftentimes finde more present helpe vpon their praying to our Ladie , then vpon their praying to Iesus Christ . And in Discipulus de Tempore we reade , Lib: 2. de verbis Dominoe al filium ia Nupiijs , ca. 2. ser: 161. de Sanctis . Nihil nos Deus voluit habere quod per manus Maria non transirit : Gods will is , we shall haue nothing which passeth not by the virgin Maries fingers . Now if this be true , I would know why men should not pray to the virgin Marie only , who is so gracious and omnipotent , and cease to trouble ( if not Christ , yet ) the rest of the Saints , which in comparison of her are so gracelesse and impotent ?

46 I heare you say , Kellison in his Survey , lib: 3. cap. 12. nu. 17. The Iapouians pray to their Saint Amida . D● salutem Amida . Meffoeus sele●● Epist ex India . lib. 4. pag: 209. that when you desire our Lady and other Saints , to send you health , or to giue you grace , and to haue mercy on you ; your meaning is not other , then to desire them to procure of Christ by their prayers and intercessions those benefits for you . But here first I desire to know , if you meane no worse , why you speake so harshly ? Certainly the rich Glutton , Luk● 16. 24. when he prayed , saying , Father Abraham hiue mercie on mee . had a further meaning , then to desire Abraham to pray for him . And the Patriarke Iacob , when his wife Rache● said vnto him , Giue me children , or else I die , Genes: 30. 2. supposed shee had a further meaning in those words , then to desire him to procure her children of God by his prayers , for else why was his wrath kindled against her for saying so . Secondly , I desire to know , if you meane no other , why you tell vs so many tales of the Virgine M●ries descending from heaven to helpe her suppliants on earth : and of other Saints personall and actuall performance of such things as were begged of them . It is written in your bookes , Caesar . Dial lib 7. That a Priest hauing his tongue cut out by heretickes , cap. 24. Discip . vpon his mentall prayer to the Virgine Marie , lib. de mir●culis B. Virginis , Ex●up 30. had another put i● . The Virgine Marie , digitis ●ri 〈◊〉 , putting her finger into the Priests mouth ( it was well he bit her not ) fastned him in a new tongue . She helped him not with her prayers , but with her fingers .

47 In the same bookes of yours it is written , Caesar : Dial : lib: 7. cap : 25. That the Virgine Marie prescribed phisicke to a boy with ascald head , who vsed to pray to her : and that by laying her owne hands on his head , shee preser●ed him from head-ach for euer . By physicke , and other meanes then prayers , she cured the boy of his infirmities . In the same bookes it is written , Discip : lib: citat : Exempl : 35. That a good fellow callad Peter , prayed to the Virgine Mary for helpe : and that shee appeared to him with Hyppolitus in her companie , commanding Hyppolitus to helpe him : which Hyppolitus did , not by praying for him , but by binding vp his sores with his hands Chirurgeon-like . In the same bookes it is written , that an Abbesse , who was with child by an officer of hers , Discip : Exempl : 24. prayed the Virgine Marie to helpe her at a dead lift , and to saue her credit : which the Virgin Marie did , not by praying for her , but by bringing two Angels with her , who played the midwiues , helping her to be deliuered of her child instantly , and carying it ( by the virgin Maries appointment ) to an Eremite , commanding him in the virgin Maries name to keepe it till it was seu●n yeares olde . In the same books it is written , Casar : Dial : lib: 7 ca : 35. & Di●cip : Exem : 25. that the virgin Marie saued likewise the credit of a whore N●nne called Bea●rix , not by praying for her , but by personil supplying of her place in an Oratorie ; by the space of fifteene yeares together , whilest sh●e rann● a wooring after a whorem nger Priest , Annal: To : 6. al an : 449. 〈◊〉 : 39. and no body knew shew as missing . Your Cardinall Baroniu● tells vs soberly , that Leo 1. having written an Epistle to Plavianus Bishop of Constantinople against Entyches and Nestorius , he layed it vpon St. Peters Tombe , praying him instantly , that if there were any errour , he would amend it : and that after certaine dayes ( it seemes S. Peter tooke him to consider well of it ) S. Peter appeared vnto Leo , and told him that he had amended it . Whereupon Leo su● mens Epistolam de sepulchro B. Petri , aperuit eam , & invenit Apostolica manu emendatam : the Pope taking the Epistle away , and opening it , hee found it corrected with the Apostles owne hand . Which storie seemes to argue , that when Leo desired Peter to amend his Epistle , he meant more then to desire him to procure it amended of God by his prayers .

48 Your Rhemists tell vs , Annot: in 2 , Cor: ● . 12. that it is absurd to say , that the intercession of our fellowes beneath is more available then then the prayers of those that bee in the glorious sight of God aboue . Now if it bee indeed absurd to say so , I would gladly know of you why S. Paul , Rom: 15. 30. desired the Romanes , and 2. Cor. 1. 11. the Corinthians , and Ephes: 6. 19. the Ephesians , and Col: 4. 3. the Colossians , and 1. Thess: 5. 25. & 2. Thes: 3. 1. the Thessalonians , and Hebr: 13. 18. the Hebrewes , all of them his fellowes beneath , to pray for him ; and desired none of the Saints in the glorious sight of God aboue to pray for him . And why S. Iames , Chap: 5. 16. advised them to whom hee writ , that one of them ( beneath ) should pray for another ; and required them not to pray to the Saints in the glorious sight of God aboue for helpe . Fcria 5. quartae Dominica● Qu●drag : ser: 30. de suffrag●●● mor●uorum .

49 Again , if it be absurd to say , that the intercession of our fellowes beneath is more amiable then the prayers of those that be in the glorious fight of God aboue , I would gladly know why you tell vs so many tales of soules creeping out of Pugatory , craving the helpe of their fellowes beneath ; and not one of any soule crauing the helpe of any of the Saints in the glorious sight of God aboue . Haue not the soules in Purgatorie so much wit , as to repaire to them for helpe , who are best able to helpe them● Or are you of Leonard de Vtine his mind , who holdeth , quod efficaciora sunt suffragia Ecclesia praesentis facta pro aliquo in Purgatori● existente , quam orationis Sanctorum in patria : That the prayers of the Church millitant are more auailable for soules in Purgatorie , then the prayers of the Church triumphant ?

50 Vergerius reports , a a Annotat in Indic : lib: prohib . An: 1559. pag. 9 that it is written in an Italian booke , intitled , Flosculi S. Frar●isci , that the virgin Marie by the merit of her virginitie saued all women to the time of S. Clare , as Christ by the merit of his passion saued all men till the time of Saint Francis , in whose dayes S. Clare liued . And he further reports , that whereas he answered that booke , b b Discorsi supra li. Fioretti , de . S. Francisco , t is , D. his answer was condemned as hereticall in three seuerall Indices of bookes forbidden , and so it is in the last of Clemens the 8. Now if his report be true , I would know how you can saue Cardinall Bellarmins credit , who denies c c Praefat. cont. 7 To. 1. that any Catholike did euer equall in any sort the virgin Mary vnto Christ : For as it is confessed in that booke , that Christ saued men , so the Author professeth , that she saued women .

51 Ambrosius Catharinis in an Oration which hee made An. 1546. in the second Session at Trent , d d Act Cons. Trid. Impress . Antnery . 1546. fol. 57. termed her Fidelissimam sociam Christi , Christs most faithfull fellow or companion . And another great Papist did not sticke to write , e e In Mar●ali lib: 1. cap : 3. teste Il●r●cu in catalogo ●●st : verit : col : 36. edit: 1608. Fuit D●minu● cum Maria , & ipsacum Domino in eod●m labore , & ●odem opere redemptionis : Mater enim misericoraiae adiuvit Patrem misericordiae in opere nostrae salutis : Our Lord was with Marie , and Marie with our Lord , in the same labour , and in the same worke of our redemption : for the Mother of mercie helped the Father of mercie in the worke of our saluation . Who fearing some might reply on Christs behalfe , that it was written , Esay 63. I haue troden the winepresse alone , and of all the people there was not one man with me : in way of preuenting that , goes on thus : Verum est Domine , quod non est vir tecum , sed mulier vna iecum est , qua omnia vulnera qua tu suscipisti in corpore , suscipit in corde : It is true Lord that thou sayest , There was no man with thee , but there was a woman with thee , which suffered all the wounds in her heart , which thou sufferedst in thy body . Doe not these speeches argue , that some Catholickes haue equalled in some sort the virgin Marie vnto Christ ?

52. You apply that to the virgin Marie , which the Scriptures apply to Christ . The Scriptures say , that f f Gen: 2. 15. The seed of the woman ( meaning Christ , the God of peace , Rom. 16. 20. ) shall bruise the Serpents head : you g g Bernard . de 〈◊〉 in Martialo , par: 12. ser: 2. de corona● : Mari : Excellentia 27. say , the virgin Marie bruised it . The Scriptures say ; that Of his fulnesse we all haue receiued euen grace for grace , Ioh. 1. 16. you say h h Discip : de T●g : ser: de conceptio : Vera●iter dicere possumus , ●am de matre quam de filio , &c. wee may as truly say , that of her fulnes we haue receiued grace . The Scriptures say , that Christ did reconcile all things to himselfe , Coloss. 1. 20. and that he did redeeme vs from our vaine conversation by his blood , 1 Pet: 1. 18 , 19. and you say the same in effect of her . For you affirme that she was i i Bernard : lib: ●itat : pag: vli : Redemptrix vniversi : k k Ibid. Recuratrix perditi orbis : and that l l Stainhurstin Heb●●om , Mariana , printed 1609 p. 85. & 113. per illam omnia in statum pristinum sunt restituta . The Scriptures say , that Christ was given ad educendum claustro vinctum , to bring prisoners out of prison , Esay 42. 7. and you ascribe as much to her : for you pray to her thus : m m Offic. b. Mar: Virg. post adu●● ad vosperas . Solue vinculareis . The Scriptures say , that Christ was that Lambe which taketh away the sin of the world , Ioh: 1. 29. and you seeme to beleeue she can doe as much ; for to her you vse to pray , n n Ibid. m●la nostrapelle , put away our evills ; o o Heb: 7. 26. meaning by evills , sinnes . The Scriptures note it as a prerogatiue of Christs , that he was without sin : and you tell vs , that sicut Christus redemptor noster sine originali extitit , ita reparatrix nostra Maria illi similis in hoc fuisse comprobatur : p p Bernard . de Bu. sti in offic : de concept . Virg: die 6. lect 6. she was like him in this . And doth not this also argue , that some Catholickes haue equalled in some sort the Virgin Mary vnto Christ ?

53 You giue the Virgin Mary answerable titles to those which are given God . For as God is called the King of heauen , Dan: 4. 34. so you call her q q In Antiphona quae incipit , Salue Fegina . the Queene of heaven . As God is called , the Father of mercies , 2. Cor. 1. 3. so you call her , r r Ibid. the mother of mercie , u u Costerus in perorat . ad Virg: ad finem Apol. 1. adu Goma●um . As God is called , the Author of all comfort 2 Cor 1. 3. so you call her s s Stainhurst lib: citat : p. 155. the fountaine of all comfort As Christ Iesus is called our Hope , 1 Tim: 1. 1. so t t In Antiph . Salue Regina . you call her . As Christ Iesus is called our Advocate , 1. Ioh: 2. 1. so you call her . As hee is called our Saviour , Luk. ● . 11. so she x x Bonauent in Cant : ad iustar Esai . 22. a Saviouresse by you As he a Mediator . 1 Tim. 2. 5. so she y y Idem in Cant. ad instar illius qui ascribitur Aug●e● Ambres . a Mediatrix . As he a Redeemer , psal. 78. 15. so she z z Bernu : de Bus●i in Mariali p. vlt. a Redemptrix . As hee omnipotent , Math. 28. 18. so a a Bonauent in hy●no ad instar illius Exo l : 15. shee . As he the morning starre , Apoc. 22. 16. so b b Coster : meditat in hymn Aue. shee . As he our life , Ioh. 14. 6. so c c Antiph : Salue Regina . she . As he our Lord , Ioh. 20. 28. so d d Passim . she our Ladie . As he our God , Ioh. 20. 28. so she our e e ●ips : de virg: Aspr●colle , cap. 3. et 5. lib: ● . ep: 17 Epistol. a ●embo script : sub nom : ●eo : 10. Goddesse . As he a chiefe corner stone , Eph 2. 20. so f f Bonauen● : To. 6. in lib: inscripto laue b. Virg: Mariae , p. 73. she . As hee the glory of his people Israel , Luke 2. 23. so g shee . And as he was assumed into heaven in body , Acts 1. 9. so was she h h Rhem. Annot. in Act 1. 4. you say . And as the first day of the weeke is observed in a remembrance of him , Apocalyp. 1. so the last day of the weeke is observed holy by you in remembrance of her . For Sabbathum cuiusque hebdomadis Mariae sacrum esse , vix est qui nes●iat , saith i Ferreolus Locrius Mariae Augusta , lib. 6. cap. 23. and Dies Sabbathi dedicata est gloriosa virgini Mariae , saith Diseipulus de Tempore , serm. 164. And doth not this also proue , that some of you Catholicks equall in some sort the Virgine Mary vnto Christe

54 Fiunt in Ecclesiis processiones annuatim ad honorem Saluatoris in die Palmarum , & similiter ad honorem matris suae in die Purificationis ad correspondendum ad diem Palmarum : As vpon Palm . Sunday you keep yearely a Procession in honour of Christ ; so answerably thereunto you keep yearely on the day of the virgin Maries purification , a solemne procession in honour of her , as Bernardinus confesseth in Mariali 6. part . ser. 2. part. 2. de visitatione Mariae . And Statuit Ecclesia Officium particulare quod dicitur singulis diebus ad honorem ipsius Virginis , i i These word● are soft out in Edit: 1607. but they are in the Edit: 1515. sicut alind Officium ad honorem Dei : as you haue set Service appointed for every day to the honour of God , so your Church hath appointed set service for every day in honour of her , as the same man witnesseth in the same place . And whereas David and some other holy persons made Psalmes in their dayes to the honour of God , all which Psalmes , except two , are recorded in holy Scripture : did not a great Cardinall among you * * It was reprinted at Rome in Sixtus 5. dayes , and since at Men●● An : 1609 Io. 6. operum Bonaueut . publish a Booke , intitled Psalter ium B. Virginis , The Psalter of the blessed virgin Mary ? in which there are 150 Psalmes , whose beginnings answer to the beginnings of Dauids 150 Psalmes ; and eight other Psalmes answering to eight Psalmes recorded in other places of the Bible , carrying the name of Esay , Ezechias , Hanna , Moses , Abacuk , the three children , and Zachary ; besides one much like to that which is fathered on S. Ambrose , and S. Austin , beginning , We praise thee O Lord : and another like that of Athanasius Creed , beginning , Whosoeuer will be saued ; and all this to the honour of the Virgine Mary . Is it not true , Sir Priest , that what Dauid and other holy men in their psalmes and hymnes ascribed to God , especially in the first verse of every their psalmes and hymnes , that in this booke of your Cardinalls is ascribed to the virgin Mary ? Doth not Dauid in the first verse of his seventh psalme say , O Lord my God , in thee I put my trust : & doth not your Bonauenture in the first verse of his seventh psalme say , O thou my good Ladie , in thee haue I put my trust ? Is not this the beginning of Dauids ninth psalme , I will praise the Lord with my whole heart ? & this the beginning of Bonauentures ninth psalme , I will praise thee O Ladie with all my heart ? In the 16. psalme Dauid saith , Preserue me O Lord : and your Bona●euture in his 16. Psalme saith , Preserue me O Lady . I will loue thee , O Lord , saith Dauid in his 18. Psalme . but I will loue the● O Lady , saith Banave●ture in his 18. Psalme . The heauens declare the glory of God , saith k k Psal. 19 : 1. Dauid . The heauens declare thy glor● , saith Bonaue●ture , speaking of the Virgin Mary . The Lord is my light , saith l l Psa. 27. 1. Dauid : Our Lady is my light , saith Bonauenture . In thee O Lord haue I put my trust , &c. saith m m Psa 31. ver. 1. 3. 5. Dauid : In thee O Lady haue I put my trust ; thou art my strength and my fortresse ; Into thy hands O Lady I commend my spirit , saith Bonauenture . n n Psa. 33. 1. Reioyce in the Lord , Oye righteous : o o Psa. 34. 1. I will alway giue thankes vnto the Lord , his praise shall bee in my mouth continually , saith Dauid . Reioyce in our Lady , O yee righteous ; I will alway giue thanks vnto our Lady , her praise shall be in my mouth continually , saith Benauenture . p p Psa: 51. ● . Haue mercy vpon me O Lord , &c. q q Psa: 54. 1. Saue me O God by thy Name ; r r Psa: 92. 1. It is a good thing to praise the Lord ; s s Psa: 95. 12. Come let vs reioyce vnto the Lord , &c. saith Dauid . Haue mercy vpon mee O Lady , according to the multitude of thy compassions put away mine iniquities ; Saue me O Lady by thy name ; It is a good thing to praise the Virgin Marie , and to sing vnto her name ; Com let vs reioyce vnto our Lady , let vs worship and fall downe before her , saith Bonauenture . t t Psa: 98. 1. Sing vnto the Lord a new song , &c. u u Psa: 100. 1 , 2. Sing yee loud vnto the Lord all the earth , &c. saith Dauid . Sing vnto our Lady a new song , for she hath done maruellous things ; Sing ye loud vnto our Lady all the earth , & for●e her with gladnesse , saith Bonauenture , x x Psa: 102. 1. O Lord heare my prayer , & let my cry come vnto thee : y y Psa: 103. 1 , 2 , 3. My soule praise thou the Lord , & all that is within me praise his holy name : My soule praise thou the Lord , &c. which forgiueth all thine iniquities , &c. saith Dauid . O Ladie heare my prayer , and let my cry come vnto thee ; my soule praise thou our Lady , which forgiueth all my sins , saith Bonauenture . z z Psa: 110. ● . The Lord said to my Lord , Sit thou on my right hand , saith Dauid . The Lord said vnto our Lady , good Mother sit thou on my right hand , saith Boaauenture . And to omit a hundred like speeches whereas Dauid saith , a a Psa: 150 v. vlt Let euery thing that hath breath praise the Lord ; Bonauenture saith , Let euery thing that hath breth praise our Lady . Esay in his Psalme saith , b b Chap: 12. I will praise thee O Lord , &c. but Bonauenture in his Psalme saith , I wil praise thee O Ladie , Behold my Lady is my saluation , I will trust & not feare ; Declare our Ladies works among the people . Hanna in her Psalme saith , c c 1 Sam: 2. 1. 27. mine horne is exalted in the Lord , &c. But Bonauenture in his Psalme saith , mine horne is exalted in our Lady ; There is none so holy as our Lady , she maketh poore & maketh rich , d d Deut: 32. 1. &c. she bringeth low & exalteth . Moses in the one of his two Psalmes saith , Hearken ye heauens , &c. for I will publish the name of the Lord ; but Bonauenture in his psalme saith . Hearken yee heauens what I will speake of our Ladie , e e Dan. 〈◊〉 in the vulg: Lat: &c. O all yee worke● of the Lord , blesse ye the Lord , &c. said the three children in their Psalme ; but Bonauenture saith , O all yee workes of the Lord , blesse yee our Ladie , &c. Blessed be the Lord God of Israel ; & thou child shalt be called the Prophet of the Highest , said f f Luke 1. Zacharie in his Psalme ; but Bonauenture saith , Blessed our Lady the mother of our Lord God of Israel ; & thou Mary shalt be called the Prophet of the Highest . Wee praise thee O God , wee acknowledge thee to be the Lord , said Ambrose and Austin in their Psalme ; We praise thee O Lady , wee acknowledge thee O Mary to be a Virgin , saith Bonauenture . Whosoeuer will be saued , it is necessary before all things●● that hee hold the Catholicke faith , &c. said Athanasius ; but whosoeuer will be saued , it is necessary before all things , that hee stedfastly beleeue what concernes the Virgin Mary . And doth not all this proue , that some of you Catholikes doe in some sort equall the Virgin Mary vnto Christ ?

55 Omnia quae Dei sunt , Mariae sunt ; quia mater & sponsa Dei illa est : All things which are Gods , are the Virgine Maries , because she is both the spouse and mother of God , saith g g Chrysost● a vis● tat●t● . 1. de verb Dom: lib: 4. cap : 8 a great Rabbin of yours . And Tot creaturae seruiunt gloriosae Mariae Virgini , quot seruiunt Trinitati : As many creatures honour the virgin Mary , as honour the Trinity , h h Apud Bernard . de Bussi in Maria●● part : 12 , ser. 2. de coronat . Mari. Excel . 10 : saith another . Christ was willing ( as i i Ibid. some of your men say ) Paterno principatui quodam modo principatum aquiparare maternum , that his Mothers soveraigntie should in some sort equall the soueraignty of God his Father . As it is a true proposition , k k Ibid. Divine imperio omnia famulantur , & Virgo ; All creatures , euen the Virgin her selfe , are subiect to Gods command : so is this proposition true , Imperio Virginis omnia famula●tur , & Deus : All creatures , and God himselfe , are subiect to the virgin Maries command . l l Bern : de Busti part. 11. ser. 2. de Assump: Virg: part. 1. Duae Cathedrae , &c. Two Chairs of estate were prepared in heaven , the one for Christ , the other for the Virgin Marie . And she sits by him ( as m m Idem ser. 4. de Assum : 〈◊〉 ; 2. you say ) v● genus humanum habeat semper ante faciem Dei Adiutoriun simile Christo ad procurandum suam salute , that mankind may haue alwayes before God an Advocate like to Christ . Were they no Catholickes , in whom we reade these ? Or , doth it not manifestly herehence follow , that some of you Catholickes haue equalled in some sort the Virgin Marie vnto Christ ?

56 You a a Gabriel : Bi●l : in exposit: Can: Miss: Le● : 80 : Bernard . de Busti in Mariali : par. 3 ser: 3. de Nominat : Mariae . Cassand : ●ousu●● . tit: de meri● . & intercess : Sanct● . teach , that whereas Gods Kingdome consists of Iustice and of Mercy ; God retaining to himselfe the one halfe thereof , to wit , Iustice , gaue the other halfe , to wit , Mercy , to his Mother . You tel vs , b b Chrys●st : a visitat : To : ● . lib: 1. de verbis Dom. ad filium in nup●ijs cap : 2 that velocior est nonnunquam salus memorato n●mine Mari●● , quàm inuosato nomine Domini Iesu vnici filij eius : Men may oftentimes be sooner saved by calling on the virgin Mary then on Christ . You tell vs , c c Berna : de B●●sti lib: cit : part 9. ser: 2. Assimis : 2. Sedul : in Apolog: pro lib: conform : lib: 3. cap : 17. that Saint Francis his Friers who could not get into heauen by the helpe of the red ladder , at the top whereof Christ stood , got easily into heauen by the help of the white ladder , at the top whereof his Mother stood . d d Manuell of prayers printed at Doway 1604 pag: 304. You wish sicke folkes to call vpon the Virgin Marie , in assurance that she will make their entrance into the Kingdome of heaven , when otherwise it might be , through the divine iustice of God , they could not enter in by reason of their iniquities . And the like counsell you giue to others who are in extremity : for eum adolescens quidam Lutetia ad supplicium illud exquisitum et horrendum fidei nomine duceretur , ac palo inspecto subinde exclamaret , Domine Deus habe mis●rationem me● magni quid●m nominis Theologus male in sidens , identidem increpantis voce & gestu acclamauit ; Dic , inquit , Maria M●ter grati●e , Mater misericordi●e , &c. when a yong man was to be burnt at Paris for his ●aith , vpon sight of the stake , cried , O Lord my God , haue thou mercie vpon me ; a great Divine of yours , who rode by on a mule , reprooved him sharply , and bad him call vpon the mother of grace and mercie , &c. as e e Consultat : tit : de mer●is et inte●cess : Sanct: et lib: de officio Pij viri . Cassander witnesseth . Now this being thus , I desire to know how you can cleare your selues from holding , that the virgin Mary is more mercifull then Christ , and that you repose more trust and confidence in her then in Christ :

57 It is well knowne that you make mo prayers to the virgin Marie then to Christ : f f Dowly in his Inst● . of Christs Relig: chap : 8. for shee hath ten Aue Maries of you , for one Pater noster that Christ hath . It is well knowne g g Bernard . lib. cit part. 6. ser: 2. de ●isitat : Mari●● . that your Preachers before their Sermons make their entrance , not with a Pater noster to Christ , but with an Aue Maria to the blessed Virgin . For , Omnes praedicantes exordium pro gratia impetranda à salutatione Angelica faciunt , saith Bernardinus de Busti : It is well knowne , that shee hath the honour of receiving thankes before Christ : for vpon finishing of your books which you publish , you conclude with h h Greg : de Valen ad finem colloq. Monpele urtensis . at alibi sup. Laus Deo , & beatissimae Virgini , Deo item Iesu Christe : Glorie be to God the Father , and to the most blessed Virgin , and to God the Sonne : you giving precedencie to the Virgin Marie before her Sonne , not remembring at all the Holy Ghost . And doth not this your so often praying vnto her , and praying to her before her Sonne , and rendring of thankes vnto her before her Sonne , argue that you honour her more then her Sonne ?

58 It is well knowne , that you haue moe Churches and Oratories which you call by her name , then by Christs , i i Bernard . lib: cit part. 6 ser: 2. part 2. de visitat Maria● . Non est ciuitas , vel castram , seu vi●la , quae non habet Ecclesiam , vel saltem Capellam aliquam ad honorem virginis Mariae : immo plures reperiuntur Ecclesia et intitulatae , quam ad honorem Saluator is & Sanctorum omnium : There is not a citty , nor a castle , nor a grange house , which hath not either a Church or a Chappell dedicated to the Virgine Marie : yea there are more Churches dedicated to the Virgine Marie then to Christ and to all his Saints . It is well knowne shee hath more Holy dayes observed by you to her honour , then Christ to his : for hee ( for any thing I can learne ) hath onely these dayes obserued as holy by you , viz. his Nativitie , his Circumcision , his Ascension , and Corpus Christi , as it is called : but k k Ferreol . Iocrius Maria Augusta lib. 6. cap. 1. &c. shee hath her Feast of Conception , of her Nativitie , of her presentation in the Temple , of her Annuntiation , of her Visitation , of her Purification , of her Assumption , her Snow feast , as you call it , besides the Feast of her espousals , of her Sorrowes , of her Ioyes , and her weekely Saturday feast . It is well knowne shee hath more presents and gifts bestowed vpon her , then Christ hath vpon him . For l l Erasm . in Colloq de Peregr . Relig. ●●g● . you decke her Churches and Chappells , with gold and silver , and precious stones : whereas Christs are open to winde and weather . m m See D. Mortons Protestants Appeale , lib. 2. cap. 12. fect. 1. 2. pa. 24● . in marg . Where shee hath had by Offerings 200 pounds yearely , there Christ hath had some yeares but fiue markes . and some yeares not a penny . It is well knowne , you goe oftner a pilgrimage to her Image , then vnto Christs . For in Italy you goe by droues to her Image at Loretto ; in Liguria you goe to Savona ; in Spaine to the mount Serrato ; in France to the towne of Cleere ; in the Low Countries to Hales : and with vs in England ( when it was popish ) you flocked to her Image at Ipswich and Walsingham , as n n Prompt . Cath. in sesto ●at . B. Virg. p. 195 ▪ Stapleton witnesseth : whereas of such flocking to any of Christs Images , wee neither reade nor heare of . And doth not this your intituling Churches with her name , and observing of Holy dayes to her honour , and presenting her with such gifts , and running of pilgrimage to her Image so far and so often , fortifie the former conclusion , that you honour her more then Christ ?

59 o o Berna : de Busti in Mari●l . par. 6. ser: 2. de visitat . Mari● . Statuit Ecclesia quod singulis diebus ter pulsentur campanae ad honorem benedictae matris Dei , maxime de mane , et de sero , vt omnes ipsam immaculatam Virginem genibus flexis adorantes venerentur , ac beatificent , &c. Your Church hath ordained that three times a day , a bell ( which you call your Ave Marie bell ) shall be rung to put men in minde of worshiping the virgin Marie , of recommending your selues to her , of that thankfulnesse which you owe to her : but you haue no ordinance for the ringing of a bell in such sort , to put men in minde of worshipping Christ . Your Church hath taught men to pray to the Virgin Marie to command her Sonne : Ora Patrem , & iube Filio . Intreat God the Father , and command God the Sonne , was p p Cassand : consultit● demerit . & in●ercess : Sancto . & lib. de officioa & viri . &c. an vsuall prayer in many Churches : and so was ,

O foelix puerpera , Nostra pians scelera , Iure matris impera Redemptori .

And in your q q To. 6. Psal. 35. pag. 48. 1. edit. Bonauenture Ladies Psalter lately printed , Coge illum peccatoribus misereri : Compell him ( viz. Christ ) to haue mercie vpon sinners , saith Bonauenture speaking of the Virgin Marie . And in another r r To. eodem pag. 466. Treatise of Bonauentures making , called Corona B. Mariae Virginis , this formall prayer is to bee found : O Imperatrix , & Domina nostra benignissima , iure matris impera tuo dilectissimo filio Domino nostro Iesu Christo , vt mentes nostras ab amore terrestrium ad coelestia desideria erigere dignetur : O noble Empresse , and kinde Ladie , wee pray thee vse the authoritie of a mother , and command thy Sonne and our Saviour to turne our hearts from the loue of earthly things , vnto the loue of heavenly . Doth not this your care to see her served , and the soveraigntie which you giue her over her Sonne , inforce that you esteeme of her more then of Christ ?

60 You tell vs , that s s Mariale lib. 1. cap. 2. teste Il●yrico in catal . testium verita● . edit. 1608. col. 36. Salomon dicit , qui parum noverat de Maria , t t Prov. 18 , 10. Turris fortissima nomen Domini , ad ipsum confugiet iustus , & exaltabitur : nobis au●em dicendum , Turris fortissima nomen Dominae , ad ipsam confugiet peccator , & salvabitur : Salomon who knew little of the Virgine Marie , said , The name of the Lord is a strong Tower , the righteous shall come vnto it , and be exalted : but we must say , The name of our Ladie is a strong Tower , let the sinner come vnto it , and he shall be saved . You tell of a u u Discip . de Tep . de mirac . b. virg. Ex●mpl . 57. souldier who did never any other good deede ▪ then saying of an Ave Marie when hee rose in the morning , and another when hee went to bed at evening , who gratia Virginis salvatus est , was saved by the grace of the Virgine Marie . And you tell vs of a x x Ibid. Exempl● . 97. et . Caejar . dial lib. 7 cap. 59. et Locrius Mariae Augusta , lib. 6. cap. 23. theefe and murtherer , who did never good deed , but that he fasted Saturday in honour of the Virgin Marie , who for that was likewise saved . You tell vs of an y y Discip . loco cit. exemp. 96. vnthrift , who to get wealth by diuelish meanes , renounced Christ , and yet because he would not renounce the virgine Mary , was pardoned : and of a z z Exempl. 99. gracelesse gentleman , of whom Christ himselfe complained as of one that crucified him , who yet because he honored the virgine Marie by fasting Saturday , sped well enough . You tell vs of a a Exempl. 98. one who should haue beene condemned by Christ , by reason of his sinnefullnesse , who yet was absolved at the Virgins intreatie , for that he was one of her servants : and of b b Exempl. 50. another that was indeed condemned to hell by Christ ; and yet reprieved by reason of her importunitie , and afterwards saved . Do n● all these tales ( ordinarily told in your pulpits ) convince , that your forefathers laboured to perswade the people , rather to trust in the virgine Marie then in her Sonne Christ Iesus ? Multi videntur B. Virginem in maiore veneratione habere quàm Christum filium eius : many seeme to honour the blessed Virgine more then her Sonne Christ , saith a c c 〈◊〉 . de Busti . in Mariali per. 6 ser. 2 de visitat . Mariac . great man of your Religion ; imputing the cause thereof to their * * Magis ex simplicitate mo●i quam scientia . simplicitie ; but he might more iustly haue imputed it to your Doctrine ; and the rather , for that hee addeth in the same place , Quia honor matris redundat in filium , Prov. 17. patientiam habet filius Dei de hac quorundam virorum & mulierum simplicitate : Because the honor of the mother redounds to the honour of the child , as we reade , Prov. 17. the Sonne of God beares with the simplicitie of such men and women as honour his mother more then himselfe . For doth not this doctrine afford good encouragement for such practise ?

61 I finde in many of your a a Institutio Christiana ad initium Officij B. Mariae Virg. Ledesma . Catechismes , the second Commandement of the Decalogue left out quite : and in b b I●desma Adrianus Iesuita , lib. de confess . Bruno in his Treatise of the Sacr. of penance , cap. 12 some of your Catechismes , for Remember thou sanctifie the Sabbath day , I finde , Remember to sanctifie the Holy dayes . And in your c c Cap de 9. et 10. praecepto . Trent Catechisme , I find the ninth and tenth Commandements so huddled together , that I know not how it distinguisheth and rankes them : whether it makes , Thou shalt not couet thy neighbours wife , the ninth commandement , as d d Ledes●a . Douly , &c. See Defence of the Censure ▪ p 134. some popish Catechismes doe ; or the tenth , as e e Instis . Christ . supra cit. Discip . de Temp. ser. 143. others do . My desire is you would giue me a reason of leauing out the second , and of changing the third according to your account , the fourth in ours ; and such nimbing of the 9 , and 10. together , that you cannot agree among your selues which is the ninth , which is the tenth .

62 You teach , that f f Radford in his Directory to the truth . chap. 16. p. 115. to speake against your Pope is a most deadly finne against the first Commandement of God : That g g Nauar. in Enchir●d ▪ cap. 11. nu. 22. to deuise or to procure pictures to be deuised by others , which may in any sort be disgracefull to your Pope or to his Cardinals , or to any of your Popish Hierarchy , is a sin against the first commandement . That h h Vincent Bruno in his Treatise of penance , ch●p 10. to keepe books either of heretickes , or for any other respect , forbidden by your Church , is a sin against the first commandement . That i i Ibid. not to detect a man infected with heresie , to whom he ought ( that is , not to detect a Protestant to the Inquisition ) is a sinne against the first commandement . That k k Ibid. to disswide or hinder any for entring Religion ( that is , in your language , from being a Monke or a Nunne ) it to sinne against the first commandement . That l l Briefe forme of confession added to Vaux his Catech. p : 225. to set lights by , and not to regard the Ceremonies of your Church , is a sin against the first commandement . That m m Polancus Iesuita in direct . confess . p 51. hee who is ignorant of the fiue commandements of the Church , sins against the first commandement . That n n Method confes . in exposit. Decalogi , p 4. 1. hee who beleeues not vndoubtedly your Popish Purgatorie , sinnes against the first commandement . That o o Method confitendi in explic . Decalogi p. 41. impress Lugd. An. 1549. not to beleeue whatsoeuer your Romish Church beleeues , is a sin against the first commandement . That p p Extrcit●● pietatis , &c. Edit. Colon. 1592. cap. de method ●recte confitendi . it is an act of infidelitie or heresie to communicate in both kindes . And doe not you hereby bewray , that you make of no sinnes grievous sinnes ?

62 Saint Paul speaking of concupiscence , which rebelled against the law of his minde , Rom. 7. 23. complained of his hard estate , that hee could not rid his fingers of it , ver. 24. terming it expresly sinne , v. 17. yet your q q Sess 5. de peccato orig. Act. 5. Councell of Trent denies , that concupiscence in the regenerate is sin : and your r r Apparat. sac . verbo Patres antiqui . Possevin thinkes it not meete , that wee , after the example of the Apostle , should call it sinne . Stealing for need is sinne , as appeareth Prov. 30. 9 : yet with s s Bellar. lib. 1. de matrim. cap. 27. you , stealing for need , is no sinne . And doe not these two instances bewray , that you make of sins no sins ? But your turning the commandements of God into Evangelicall counsels , puts all out of doubt . For though it be a sinne , not to obserue Gods commandements ; yet according to your learning , it is no sinne , not to obserue Gods counsells , t t Azo●instit . mor. part. 1. l. 4. cap. 9. 2. qua●ritur . Nemo peccat si Dei consilia praetermittat : u u Vega de Iustif . lib. 14 cap. 12. Intermittere consilia nullum peccatum est : x x Bellar. lib. 2. de monach. cap. 7. Consilium si non seruetur , nullam habet poenam , goes for good divinity with you . Now that you turne the commandements of God into counsels , it is proved by this , that Resist not euill , &c. Loue your enemies : Lend , looking for nothing againe : Pray for them which curse you : Let your communication bee Yea , yea , Nay , nay , If thy right eye cause thee to offend ; plucke it out , and cast it from thee . Take heede you giue not your almes before men , to be seene of them , &c. Be not carefull : and care not for to morrow . If any brother haue a wife that beleeueth not , if she be content to dwell with him , let him not forsake her : and the woman that hath an husband that beleeueth not , if he be content to dwell with her , let her not forsake him : are held by y y See Ioh. de Combis in compend . Theol. lib. 5. cap. 70. et Iudolph . de vita Christi , part. 2. cap. 12. et Azor. part. 1. lib. 5. cap. 2. et Bellar. lib. de matrim. cap. 12. you , not commandements , but Evangelicall counsels . For vpon this ground it followes , that though a man resist evill , though hee loue not his enemies , though hee pray not for them who curse him , though his communication be more then Yea and nay , though he plucke not out his right eye when it offends him , though he giue almes to be seene of men , though he be carefull for to morrow , though he leaue his vnbeleeuing wife who would dwell with him , &c. in all this he stones not .

63 Whosoeuer is angry with his brother vnaduisedly , is culpable of iudgement ; and whosoeuer saith Raca , is worthy to be punished by a Councel , saith our Sauiour , Mat. 5. 22. yet vnaduised anger , and Racaing of a mans brother , are but veniall sins with z z Ioh. de Rada 2 par. cont. Theot inter Tho. et S●otum , con. 17. Act. 2. you . Foolish talking and iesting , which are things not comly , saith S. Paul Eph. 5. 4. yet they are but veniall sinnes with ᵃ you . Of euery idle word that men shall speake , they shall giue an account thereof at the day of iudgement , saith our Sauiour , Ma●. 12. 36. yet idle words are but veniall sinnes with b b Az●r instit. moral lib. 4. c. 9. 7. quaeritur . you . Flattery , from which the Apostle cleareth himselfe as from a foule fault , 1. Thesse . 2. 5 is but a veniall sinne with c c Dist. 25. vnum orarium . you * * Drinkings . Continuall haunting of Tauerne or Ale-house , noted by the Apostle as an heathenish sinne , 1. Pet. 4. 3. is but a veniall sin with d d Dist. 25. vnum orarium . you : no nor yet e e Bonauent. in centiloq . part. 1. cap 6. drunkennesse it selfe , which is condemned by the Apostle in the same place . The provoking of wife and children to anger , which the Apostle forbids , Col. 3. 19. 21. is but a veniall sin with f f Dist. 25. vnum . orarium . you . Though we reade Psal. 5. 6. that the Lord shall destroy them that speake lies ; yet lying , provided it be but in a merriment , is no more then a veniall sin with g g Bonauent. loco citato . you . Yea some kinde of periurie , and cursed speaking , though cursed speakers be h h 1 Cor. 6. 10. excluded the kingdome of heauen expresly , and periury in generall condemned , Mal. 3. 5. are but veniall sinnes with i i Dist. 25. vnum orar●um . you . If a boy rob his father but of little summes of money ; if he steale pins , points , bowles , or such small things from his companions , he sinnes but venially in k k Azorius loco supra citato . your opinion . Provided a man hear a Masse on the Sabbath day , he may spend the rest of the day in hawking , in hunting , in skirmishing , in iusting , in tourneying , in bowling , in carding , in dicing , in dancing , in going to playes , or any such like idle exercises , and not sinne at all , as l l Tolet. in sum . lib. 4 cap 24. some of you say , or at m m Nauar. in Enc●i●●d . cap. 13. nu. 15. most but venially . To manage a mans owne estate wickedly by spending wastfully , or sparing miserably : to play the glutton , to exceede in apparell , to spend the time idly , to pray retchlesly , to brag of himselfe insolently , are but veniall sinnes with n n Azor lib. cita . 8. quaritur . you . For one woman to call another woman whore , or theefe , or what ever comes first to her tongues end : for servants to miscall and raile one on another , is but a veniall sin with o o Tolet. in sum . lib. 5. cap. 9. you . For a man in his fury or choller to play any impious or desperate part , to revile God and his Saints , is but a veniall sinne with p p Azar lib. 4. ca 9. 7. quaritur . you . And doth not this argue , your Religion to be a licentious Religion , which of such practises make but peccadillos ?

65 It is a foule sin for subiects to rebell against their Soveraignes , Rom. 13. 1. yet you commend rebellion in subiectes , u u W. C. in his Reply to F. Parsons libel , printed An. 1603. fol. 66. Your Colledge of Iesuites at Salamanca in Spayne , concluded the seventh day of March , Anno 1620. That the Papists in Ireland might fauour the Arch-traitor Tyrone , idque magno cum merito , & speretributionis aeternae ; very meritoriously , and with hope of heaven . And in Lewis of Bavaria the Emperour his dayes , they who rebelled against him , x x Marsil . Patav. defensor pacis , part. 2. cap. 26. p. 366. were called by your predecessors , Ecclesiae filij , & verè fideles , your Churches white sonnes and truely faithfull ; whereas they who stood with him , were called Hereticks and Schismaticks .

It is a foule sinne to vse vaine repetition in prayers , Math. 6. 7. Yet you commend your Iesus Psalters , wherein you repeate one prayer 150. times .

To beleeue lies seemes a foule sin : for God threatneth such as he resolues to damn , to send them strong delusions that they should beleeue lies , 2. Thessal. 2. 11. yet you hold the beleeuing of lies to be meritorious in some persons . For , Si rusticus circa Articulos credat suo Episcopo proponenti aliquod dogma hareticorum , meretur in credendo , licet sit error : If a country follow beleeue the Bishop of his Diocesse preaching some hereticall point against an Article of his faith , hee merits in beleeuing him , saith y y In sum . lib. 4. cap 3. Tales . And doe not these are instances proue , that you make of sinnes vertues :

66 You take vpon you to forgiue sinnes to commit : which is proved by this , z z Caxton . in hist. Anglic. Iob. Maior . de 〈…〉 cap. 3. that the Abbot of Swines-head absolved a Monke who acquainted him with his purpose of poysoning King Iohn with a pot of Ale , before the Monke poysoned the King . And by the testimonie of the Germaines : for in their a a Gravam . Nat. German . gravamen 3. grievances exhibited to Charles the fifth , they complained , that the pardoners perswaded the people they could pardon noxas praeteritas aut futuras , both faults past , and faults to come . And as much may bee gathered out of Sigismonds the Emperours words at the Councell of Constance , who speaking against dispensations , said thus : b b Ioh. Episc Chemensis Onus Eccles cap. 19. de Indisposit . Rom. Curi● , sect. 13. Legimus Christum Petro potestatem duntaxat relaxandi peccata , non admittendi dedisse : Wee reade that Christ gaue Peter onely power to remit sins , but not to commit sinnes . For it is plaine by this , that the Peters of his dayes tooke vpon them to dispense with such as had a mind to sin . But most directly is the point proved by c c Cande●ab . auveun , tit. de abs●lut . nu. 28. Edit. Br●x●a . 1595. Martinus Al●ensus Vivaldus , that great famous Spanish Doctor : for in him we reade , Quòd Pap● habet omnimodam potestatem in omnes Christi fideles , tam quoad commissa , quam quoad committenda crimina absolvenda : That the Pope hath all manner of power over Christs people , to absolue them as well from all crimes to commit , as from crimes committed . And by our d d In his Meditation vpon the Lords prayer , pag 58. 59. most noble King , who protesteth that he hath seene with his owne eyes two Authenticall B●lls , both of them pardoning sin as well to come , as by-p●st .

66 You a a Gloss. is 32. q. 2 Quod autem . confesse , that Marriage was instituted by God in Paradise , not onely for increase● mankind , but for preventing fornication . And yet you b b Azor. instit. moral . part. 1. lib. 12. cap 6. 3. quaritur . teach , that a solemne vow ( by reason of the Churches constitution ) makes a nullity of marriage following after it . Now I desire to know , with what honestie the Church can repeale or make voyde the institution of God by any constitution of hers . For you know there is a text , Those whom God hath ioyned together , let no man put asunder . Your c c Extra . Ioh. 22. de voto et votiredemp e. Antiq. Glozer acknowledged , that admiranda res videtur esse ista , this might seem a strange thing : but for satisfaction of such as thought it strange , he could giue no better answer , then that the constitutions made by the Church , are made by your Pope ; & that your Pope , not being a pure man ( which I easily beleeue ) all was well enough . But cannot you giue me a better ?

67 You d d Tho. Aquin. comment . in Tit. 1. confesse , that he is more capable of Orders among you , who hath kept two whores , then he who hath married one widow , or two wiues . And if this be thus , may we not say with another of your e e In cap. Quia circa Extra de Bigamis . Glozers , Nota mirabile , quòd plus habet laxuria quàm castitas , Obserue a strange thing , whoredome hath greater priviledge then chastitie .

68 You f f Bellar. lib. 2. d● Monach. cap. 30. confesse , that your votaries breake their vowes of chastity if they marry , but not if they keepe whores . Now I would know of you , whether this doth not argue plainly , that your Votaries chastity consists in not marrying , and not , in not whoring ? Your Friers , your Priests may lie with a hundred Nunnes , and keepe for all that their vowes of chastitie , if this be so .

69 By your Religion , g g Coster . in Enchir . cap. 17. de Caelibacu sacerd. proposit . 9. proposit . 9. It is lesse evill in him that hath vowed chastitie , to whore , then to marry , h h Rhem. Annot. in 1 Cor. 7. 9 Mariage of them who haue vowed chastitie , is the worst sort of incontinencie . i i See Hassen●uller histor Iesuit . ordinis , cap. 10. Eras●● . de ●ngu . They sinne more grievously by marying , who vowed chastitie before , then if they played the Sod●mites , or vsed the sin of best●alitie , according to your divinitie . Your Popes ( as good writers witnesse ) haue been k k Co●nel . Agrip. de . vanit . scient. cap 64. erectors of stewes , and l l Ibid. & Sansonius de gubernat . regn . & rerumpub . lib. 11. cap. de Iud. Mareschallo , & Soldan . haue made great profite by the stewes . Your Cardinals haue beene m m Peter Martyr comm. in Iudic. cap 16. frequenters of the stewes : your Doctors haue n n Harding Ans. to the Apolog. Iesuits at Wisbitch , Sparing discourse . p. 13 : defended the stewes : your o o Agrippa loco sup. cit & Gravam nationis German . nu. 91. Bishops haue licensed Priests for a certaine summe of money to keepe whores : and your p p Agrippa loco citato et Gravamen 96. natiae cuis German . Officials for money haue licensed maried wiues in their husbands absence to play the whores . Adultery is reckned by q q Cap. ●th . Clevici extra de Iudicijs . your men , inter minora crimina , amongst the peccadilloes . And as for Fornication in Priests , r r D. 81. Maximilianus in Glossa . Communiter dicitur , quòd pro simplici fornicatione quis deponi non debet , cum pauci sine illo vitio inveniantur : The common opinion amongst you is , that no Priest should bee deposed for it , because there are but few Priests who are free from it . I am ashamed to speake of s s Iohan. Casa . Nullus . him , who in Italian verses commended the sinne of Sodomie , though your Pope made him Archbishop of Bene ventum . Doth not the rest proue your Religion an vncleane Religion , and that you haue little cause to brag of your chastitie ?

70 Saint Paul , vpon experience of some youngers widowes loosenesse of carriage , thought fit , that young widowes should not bee admitted vnto any Church office , but permitted to marry . Now I would know , why the Church of Rome , which hath so great experience of the loosenesse of their young votaries , Monkes and Nunnes , should not thinke it fit to keepe them out of Monasteries and Nunneries , and suffer them to marry . Me thinkes , it is a pretty note which ᵗ Cardinall Caietan maketh vpon this place : Diditit ab experientia 〈◊〉 non conducere illis in venculis Viduis , nec conducere Ecclesiae huiusmodi professionem . Vtinam hodie disceremus ab eiusmodi experientijs , an prosint ●o venitis aetatis vtrius ● sexus personarum solennia vota , tum sacrorum ordinum , tum religi●sorum .

71 You tell vs , x x Rhemist in 1 Cor 14. That to pray publikely in Latine is most expedient , though the people who ioyne in prayer with him that prayeth publikely , vnderstand not Latine . You tell vs , y y Ledesm de divin . Scripturis quavis lingua non legendis . Cap. 13. that men may receiue much profit by such prayers , though they vnderstand them not . Yet I cannot well see , but that as much profit may be reaped by seeing of a Sermon , as by hearing of vnknowne prayers . Certainly I thinke no man can ever perswade me , but that as much profit may be received by vnknowne prayers , though a man be a thousand miles off , as if he were present , where such prayers are made . Yet if you can giue me any reason to the contrary , I would be glad to heare it .

72 By your Religion , z z Tho. Aronder in Conc. Oxon teste Lindwood constit . provinc . lib. 5. tit . de haeret cap. the Images of Saints are to bee worshipped with Processions , Genu flexionibus , inclinationibus , thurificationibus , deosculationibus , oblationibus , luminarium accensionibus , & peregrinationibus , by kneeling vnto them , by bowing the body towards them , by incensing of them , ( that is , sacrificing vnto them , as u u Ibid. Lindwood expounds the word ) by kissing of them , by offering gifts vnto them , by setting vp candles before them , by going in pilgrimage vnto them . Now I would know why you should not bee held Idolaters for this , seeing sacrificing to any thing but God onely , hath beene alwayes x x Exod. 22. 20. Austin de Civit. Dei , lib. 10 cap. 4 reputed idolatrie ; and the burning of incense to any thing , hath beene alwayes held sacrificing ?

73 I haue seene a y y Horae B. Virg. impress . Parisan 4. An. 1526. fol. 62 , 63. prayer of yours , which ( as the Rubricke saith ) was shewed vnto Saint Austin by revelation of the holy Ghost ; and of which you giue out , that who weareth it about him , shall not perish in fire nor water , neither in battell , nor iudgement , nor shall die sodaine death , nor be poysoned with venome . And I haue seene certaine verses which z z Lib. 1. sac . Cer●m . cap. vlt. your Pope Vrban 5. sent with three Agnus Dei's to the Emperour of Greece , running thus :

Balsamus , & munda cera cum chrismatis vnda , Conficiunt Agnum quod munus do tibi magnum . Fonte velut natum , per mystica sanctificatum , Fulgura desursum depellit , omne malignum , Peccatum frangit , vt Christi sanguis , & angit . Praegnans servatur , simul et partus liberatur . Dona refert dignis , virtutem destruit ignis : Portatus munde , de fluctibus ●ripit vndae . Balsam , The English is Ios. Halls in his disswasiue from Popery , prefixed in his booke intituled . The peace of Rome and pure water , and chrysme liquor cleere , Make vp this precious Lambe I send thee here . All lightnings it dispells , and each ill sprite , Remedies sinne , and makes the heart contrite ; Even as the blood that Christ for vs did shed : It helps the childbed paines , and giues good speed Vnto the birth : great gifts it still doth win , To all that weare it , and that worthy bin : It quells the rage of fire ; and cleanely bore , It brings from shipwracke safely to the shore .

Now I desire to know ( not how your Pope can be excused from blasphemie , in ascribing as much to his Lambe , as to the Lambe of God ; for I know that passeth your skill : but ) how your Church can be excused from sorcery ?

74 Some of your Painters picture Christ and Simon of Cyrene carrying the Crosse of Christ joyntly : but ( as a a Concord . Evan. cap. 143. Iansenius proveth well ) they carried it severally ; Christ one part of the way , and Simon another part of the way : whereby it appeares it was farre from a cart loade : yet you tell vs of so many peeces of it , in so many places , as that you cannot denie , but that at this day it would fraught a shippe of three hundred Tunne . Now I desire to know , how it , being insensible , of lesse then a cart loade , is become a ship loade ; especially seeing for the first three hundred yeares after Christ , no body discerned any growth of it , yea no body regarded it ?

75 b b Baron Annal. To. 3. ad An. 326 Nu. 52. Some of your Crucifixes represent Christ nailed on the Crosse with three nails , some with foure : of moe nailes then foure , wee neither reade in your Lay mens bookes , nor in your Clergy books : yet there are a number of nailes shewed in diverse places , which are said to bee of the nailes wherewithall Christ was nailed vnto the Crosse . Now I desire to know , how they being but foure at first , are come to so many now ; especially considering both Ruffinus hist lib. 1. cap. 8. and Socrates hist. lib. 1. cap. 13. and Theodoret hist. lib. 1. cap : 18. testifie , that Constantine made bridles of some of them : and an helmet of the rest of them : and that c c De gloria Martyr lib. 1. cap. 6. Gregory Turonensis , who relates the matter a little differently , affirmes , Helena her selfe to cast one of them into the Sea , to make it safely navigable . Did that which she cast into the sea . spawne thinke you , that wee haue such a frie of Nailes ?

75 You d d May 3. keepe a solemne feast in honour of the Crosse whereon Christ dyed , though Christ was most despightfully vsed thereon . Now I desire to know , why you keepe not rather a solemne feast in honour of the Asse whereon Christ rode into Ierusalem , seeing he was e e Matth. 21. royally vsed when he rid vpon the Asse ?

76 You f f Bellar. lib 2. de Imag. cap. 27. teach , that the Crosse of Christ is to be worshipped ratione contactus , because it touched the body of Christ . Vpon which ground would it not follow , thinke you , that if the woman who was cured of the bloody issue , Luk. 8. were living , shee must be worshipped ? and the multitude too , who at the same time thrust him , and trode vpon him ? would it not follow , that Iudas who kissed him ; and the other sonnes of Belial who buffeted him ; and all the ground whereon he trod both in Aegypt and in Iudea , ought to be worshipped in like manner ?

77 I reade in your bookes , that a a Allen in his defence of Purgatorie , chap. 6. Nothing can enter into heauen , which is not purified to the poynt : Nothing can stand in Gods sight , that hath any blemish of sinne , any spot of coruption , any remnant of infirmitie . And I reade likewise , that vpon this ground you maintaine , that many mens soules goe to Purgatorie to be purified to the point , that afterwards they may haue entrance into heaven . Now seeing you confesse , that b b Michael Episc. Mer●purg . in catech. conc. 11 de Symb ▪ Apost. mens bodies sin against God as well as their soules ; and ᶜ that sinne hath wrought in the body great filth and feeblenesse : I desire to know why you do not maintaine that mens bodies go to Purgatory to fit them for heaven , as well as mens soules ? Methinkes , it should be as vnseemely to see a filthy , a feeble , a corrupt body , as to see a sinfull soule in heaven .

78 You tell vs , that d d Bellar. lib. 1. de Purgat . cap 1. Purgatory is only for those soules which are not perfectly purged in this life : & yet you tell vs , that e e Idem lib. 2 de Purg. cap. 2. many mens soules , whose sinnes are forgiven in this life , goe to Purgatory . Now I would know , how these two tales can stand together . For as sin defiles the soule , so forgiuenesse purgeth it . That soule , whose sinnes are forgiven , is perfectly purged . And therefore if your Purgatory be onely for such soules as are not perfectly purged in this life ; it seemes to me , it cannot be for those soules whose sinnes are forgiuen in this life . But if you meane to giue me full satisfaction herein , you may not mocke mee , by distinguishing , that in sinne two things are to bee considered , viz. culpa et poena , the fault , and the punishment of the fault : labouring to make me beleeue , that though the fault be remitted , yet the punishment remaining , there is matter enough for Purgatory to worke vpon . For I would haue you know , that I know well , it is the fault of sinne , and not the punishment of sinne , which defiles the soule . f f Bonaventar . in Centiloq . part. 2. sect. 2. Bellar. lib. 1 de amiss . grat . cap. 14. Omnis poena , in quantum poena est , iusta est , & a Deo : All punishment considered as punishment , is iust , and from God ▪ And it is absurd to say , Punishment is purged with punishment .

79 I reade in your bookes , that your Pope for de livering of soules 〈◊〉 of Purgatorie , prescribes sometimes no more but the saying of a Masse at such an Altar in such a Church , or the saying of a Pater noster twice or thrice , &c. Now I would know , with what iustice God can keepe him in such horrible torments as you say are in purgatorie , for the want of saying of a Masse , or two or three Pater nosters , whom in mercy he meant to deliver vpon the saying of a Masse , or two or three Pater nosters ? One of your Iesuites affirmes confidently , that i i Maldonat . 〈◊〉 2. de poenit . cap. de Indulg q. 6 pag. 202. Deus esset profectò crudelissimus , si propter vnam Orationem Dominicam quae non diceretur , animam pro qua fudit sanguinem suum detineret in tantis tormentis : God might iustly be reputed cruell , if for want of pattering over a Pater Noster , hee would keepe any soule , for which he shed his blood , in such torments as are in purgatorie .

80 I reade in your bookes , k k Viuald in can●●lab . aureo ▪ tit . de satisfact 〈◊〉 . 17 edit. Brix An●o 1505. Solum Deum nosse quae sit iusta poenitentia , that God onely knowes how long any sinne deserues to be punished in , purgatorie ; though l l 〈◊〉 de Temp. ser. 15● . D. some take vpon them pre●isely to set downe , that every sinne deseru●s as many yeares purgatorie tormeuts , as there are dayes in seaven yeares , viz. 2555. And yet I reade that your Pope grants Indulgences in this manner : Qui hoc vel illud fecerit , liberabit animam vnam à Purgatori● : He that doth this or that ▪ shall deliver a soule out of purgatorie . Now I would know , how your Pope comes to know , that soules are so neare the time of their deliverie , that the doing of this or that will suffice to make euen for the remainder of their punishiment ? Or rather , whether you be not of my mind . that the Pope in granting such Indulgences playes the K. And the people in making reckning of them play the fooles . The Iesuite aboue cited , m m Maldr . 〈…〉 supra citato . disputing the question , An Papa vel Episcopi possint animas liberare à Purgatorio , whether the Pope or the Bishops haue power to deliver soules out of Purgatorie , resolues they haue ; provided , tantum pro illis suffragiorum praescribunt , quantum necessarium est vt liberentur , sed tamen neque possunt , neque debent vti hac forma , Qui hoc vel illud fecerit , liberabit animam vnam à Purgatorio : quia nemo illorum scit quantum debeat poenarum illa anima quae liberanda est , vt iudicare posset satis esse illud suffragium quod praecipit ad liberandam illam : concluded thus , Cum autem hoc ignoret , non potest nisi temere adcere : Qui fecerit hoe liberabit animam vnam ; which is in effect as much as I say .

81 I reade in your bookes , that as in the old Law there was a n n Luk 20. Treasury to keepe money in for the vse of the poore ; so now there is in the Church a o o Zecchius de Indulg . & Iubil● . cap. 1. 〈◊〉 . 6. treasurie to keepe spirituall commodities in for the vse of such , who having their sinnes forgiven them , are yet liable to great punishments , either here or in Purgatorie . Which spirituall commodities are raised ( as p p Bellar lib. 1. de Indulg cap. 2. you tell vs ) of the surplussage of Christs sufferings ; and of the surplussage of other holy persons , such as Iob , Elias , Elizeus , Esay , Ieremy , Ezechiel , and other of the prophets , the Virgin Mary , Iohn Baptist , &c. For Christ suffered more then hee necded ; and many holy persons suffered more then their sinne deserved , q q Zecchius loco eitat . nu 5. as you say : r r Bellarm. lib. de Indulg . cap. 4. ad 〈…〉 4. which , Ne inanes & sine fructu essent , left they should be thought to haue beene suffered idly and to no purpose , are reserved for the vse aboue said ; and are to be disposed by your Pope , whom you make the s s Solus Papa habet claves huius th●sauri . Ioh. de Combis in compend . Theol. lib. 7. cap. 6. one onely Lord Treasurer thereof : he by his Indulgences may communicate more or lesse of them to whom hee thinkes good . Now in as much as you confesse withall , that Christs sufferings are of themselues sufficient to make satisfaction for the temporary punishment of all men , as well as for the eternall , & yet not exhausted : I would know , why the sufferings of the Saints should bee ioyned to them ? and whether it bee not absurd to hold , that any part of Christs sufferings were inanes & sine fructu , idle and to no purpose , as holy mens ? And how it came to passe that such a masse of treasure arising from holy persons in the old Law , the Priests of that time could make no vse of it , but left it vntouched for your Pope ?

82 I reade in your bookes , t t Bellar. de amis . 〈◊〉 . lib. 6. c. 12. that diseases of the body are temporall punishments of sin , & that u u Rhem. Annot. 〈◊〉 2 Cor. 2. 11. your holy mother the Church pardoneth exceeding often and much , all or great parts of what punishment temporall soever , due or deserved , either in this world , or in the next . Now if your Mother hath power to do so , I desire to know , why she cureth not by her Pardons , the Ague-fits , the Strangurie , the Stone , the Gout , wherewithall many of her children , her best beloved children , her Cardinalls , her Popes , are oftentimes afflicted .

83 I reade in your bookes , x x Anton. part. 3. tit. 22. cap. 5. sect. 5. that your Pope hath power to empty Purgatory at once . And if the saying of a Masse or a Pater noster will helpe to emptie it , as you haue borne men in hand heretofore that it will ; I would know how you can excuse your Popes from vnspeakable vncharitablenesse , and hard hearttednesse , in that themselues say no moe Masses and Pater nosters for Christian soules then they doe , nor set moe of their Priests on that worke . I doe not doubt , but if such commodities would redeeme soules , the Carmelites should haue no cause to brag of their priviledge , viz y y Thes. Carmel . impress Paris . 1601 teste . That none of them shall lie longer in Purgatory then the Saturday following their death : Moulins in the defence of the Catholik faith , Artic. 21 for the Pope might deliver every man the same day he died .

84 I reade in your bookes , z z Horae B Virg. ad vsum Sarum in 16. p. 206. that your Bishops may absol●e from blasphemy , from heresy , from periurie , from sorcerie , from Sodomitrie , from incest , from besti●li●ie , from murther , and from such like sinnes : but they may not absolue him that strikes a Clergie man , That falsifieth the Popes letters , That saith Masse in an vnhallowed place , That buries an excommunicate person in the Church or Church-yard , &c. These are Papall cases . The absolution from these is reserved to your Pope . Now I would know , why they should be denied the lesser , to whom the greater is granted ? It is written , a a Six● . 〈◊〉 . Bibl. sanct. lib. 2. verbo Tradit●● ne● . Rabbini gravius plectendos esse eos aiunt , qui contradicunt verbis S●ribarum , quàm v●rbis Mesuicae legis : that the Rabbins say , They deserue more grievous punishment , who transgresse the ordinances of the Scribes , then they who transgresse , the ordinances of Moses . And doth not this your reserving of Papall ordinances to your Popes hearing , suffering ordinary Bishops to dispense with the breaches of Gods ordinances , argue your kinship to the Iewish Rabbins ▪

85 They who knew your practises better then I doe , haue written , b b Eras●i . scho●●is in Epist. ad Episc. Basil . de delectu ●iborum . nu. 29. Qui gustavit ovum , trahitur in carcerem , cogiturque de haresi causam dicere : qui totam diem Dominicam vacat temulentiae , scortis & aleae , audit bellus hom● : Such as eate an egge on a fasting day , are imprisoned by you , and called in question vpon suspition of heresie ; whereas they who spend the whole Lords day in drunkennesse , in whoring , & in dicing , are accounted good fellowes . c c Gerson . 3 part . operum , Tit. de directione cordis consid. ●0 . Severius punitur quando que Monachus sine ●uculla incedens , quàm adulterium aut sacrilegium committens : A Monke walking without his cowle , is more rigorously dealt withall , then if he were guiltie of adulterie or sacriledge . And in generall , d d Ibid. & Ferus comment . in Matth. 15. Graviùs plectitur agens contrae vnum Papae decretum , quàm delinquens contra divinum praeceteptum et Evangelium : He who offends against the Popes law , is more severely punished then he who offends against the law and the Gospel . And doth not this shew , that as e e Matth. 15. the Scribes and Pharises , so you make void the commandements of God for your traditions ?

86 I haue a f f Horae B. Virg. secùndum vsum Sa●●m , in 4 impress . Puris . An. 1526. booke of yours , wherein there are many pardons granted vpon the saying of certaine prayers , some for scores , some for hundred of dayes ; some for hundreds , some for thousands of yeares : among which there is g g Fol. 66. one for 1000000 yeares ; and h h Fol. 144. another promising as many yeares of pardon as there are bodies buried in that Church-yard where the prayer is said , which may amount to a numberlesse number ; though perhaps not to so many as Pope i i Treatise of divers matters concerning London ; Chap Of the whole Pardons of Rome , granted by divers Popes . Silvester granted to the Church of S. Iohn Laterans , who at the hallowing of it , granted so many years of pardon thereto , as there fell drops of water that day , albeit neuer 〈…〉 raine then fell that day . Now I would know of you , why any man should trouble himselfe with saying of those prayers which haue petty pardons of dayes , or some hundreds of years assigned them ▪ Methinkes it were enough to say that prayer which hath to 1000000 yeares of pardon , and the other Church-yard prayer , which com● to a nemoscit , and to let the rest sleepe in the decke .

87 You k k Michael Epist. Mersp . in catech. 〈…〉 60. reach , that Auricular confession is necessary , to the end that your Priests having power to binde and loose , to remit sinnes , and to retaine them , may the better know whom they should binde , whom they should loose ; whose sinnes they should remit whose sinnes they should retaine . And indeed it is plaine by Scripture that Priests ( as you call them ) haue l l Matth ▪ 16. Ioh. ●0 . equall power to binde and to loose , to remit sinnes , and to retaine them . But this is it that I marvaile at and where in I desire to be satisfied by you ; why if confession bee so necessarie for the two foresaid ends , we seldome or never ●eare of any who come to be confessed , whatsoever their sinnes are , who are bound by your priests , whose sinnes are retained ; but that all 〈◊〉 any loosed all get absolution

88 l l Bell. lib 4. de poenitentia Ca. 4. You teach that the workes whereby you do make satisfaction to God , are poen● , punishments : and withall m m Lib. cit. cap. 6. you reach , That prayer is one of those workes . And doth it not thereupon follow ▪ that you hold●● a punishment to pray ? Againe , if by praying to God , a man may make satisfaction : why may not a man by praying his creditour to be good vnto him , satisfie his creditour ? But if Creditours will not be so satisfied ; what reason haue you to thinke that God will be so satisfied ?

89 You n n Navar. in Mā●raelud . 9. nu. 8. teach , tha● innummerable sinnes are veniall , that is , o o Rhem. Annot. Rom. 1. 32. pardonable of their owne nature , p p De poenit . & remisse . Omnis v●riusque sexus , in Glossa . such as wee need not make confession of , q q Azor : instit. mor. part. 1. l. 4. cap. 8 , 9. quaeritur . such as for which a man deserues not to bee called a sinner , r r Ibid. 6. quaeritur . such as make no breach of friendshippe betweene God and vs ; such as God ( according to s s Bonavent . in 2. d. 42. Act. 2. q. 2. ad vlt. some of your Doctors ) is not displeased with ▪ t t Franc a Victor , in sum . Sacram. de poeni● 110. such as may be pardoned in this life by a knock on the breast , by the Bishops blessing , by the holy water sprinkle , by saying a Pater noster , &c. And yet you tell vs ▪ that if these sinnes be not pardoned in this life , u u Bellar. lib. 2. de Purg cap. ● . the delinquents shall goe to Purgatorie , where the paine is so intollerable , that a x x Discip de Temp ser. 160. 8. good fellow who had lyen there thirtie yeares , having it in his choise , whether he would lye there one day longer , or returne to the earth , and bee bound for an hundred yeares together to walke vpon sharpe iron nailes which should pierce his feete , and to eate nothing but bread baked on the imbers , and to drinke nothing but vineger mingled with gall , and to weare nothing but that which was made of Camels haire , and to lie vpon the bare earth , with a stone vnder his head in stead of a pillow , made choise to abide all this rather then to abide in Purgatorie one day longer . Now I desire to know what the reason might bee , that God in the next world should torment his friends it so horrible manner , whom he would haue quit from blame in this world for a thing of nothing ?

90 A y y Illyricus de sectis . &c. Papistarum , p. 219. Gentleman of Germanie payed a yearely annuitie out of his lands to a Monasterie not farre from him , bequeathed by his father , to the end that the Monkes therein should pray for the deliverance of his fathers soule out of Purgatorie . Now in processe of time , the Gentleman vnderstood that the Monkes of that Monasterie brag'd much of certaine Indulgences which they had lately procured , affirming , that whosoever would buy them of them , might deliver out of Purgatorie what soule soever they desired . Hereupon the Gentleman pretending great care to free his fathers soule from Purgatorie , made offer of a good large summe of money , vpon condition they would make him good assurance that by those Indulgences his fathers soule should be indeed delivered . The Monkes sweare he neede not doubt hereof , for it was certaine he should be delivered : yet for his better securitie , they procure it to be confirmed vnder the seale of their Monasterie and of their Order , and cause it to be subscribed with their owne hands , and the hand of their Generall , that by the purchase of those Indulgences his fathers soule was vndoubtedly delivered out of Purgatorie . With these assurances the Gentleman departed . And when the Monks , vpon his fathers Anniversary day came vnto him for their Annuity , hee denied the payment , because his fathers soule was delivered by the Indulgences which they sold him . With which answer the Monks were discontented , and complained of the Gentleman to the Bishop , who gaue iudgement that the Gentleman must continue the paiment of the Annuitie : to which iudgement the Gentleman refused to stand . My desire is , you would deliver me your opinion , whether the Bishop had better reason to giue such a iudgement , or the Gentleman to refuse the iudgement ?

91 A z z Illyricus loco citato , & Lavaterus de spect●is part. 2. cap. 13. Countrey fellow was wont in merriment to say , That hee was verily perswaded there were but a sew soules in Purgatorie , or rather none at all . For which hee was at length called in question by the Inquisitors . Now he confessed that he had , often said so , and thought he had good proofe for it . For ( quoth he ) you , and such as you are , teach vs , that none go to Purgatorie but penitent Christians , who haue not in this life fully satisfied for their sinnes . And you teach vs withall , That every Masse delivers one soule ( at least ) out of Purgatorie : and that the first-Masse of every Priest delivers fifteen soules : and that innumerable soules are delivered by Indulgences . Now wee all know , that in every village and towne , there are more Masses said every day , then there dies penitent Christians . And how then is it possible that there should bee any soules in Purgatorie ? Was not this case prettily argued ?

92 a a Chemnit. in Ex●m . part. 4. tit . de Indulg . Tecelius the Pardoner bragd hee could forgiue sinnes to come and past . Hereupon a Germain Gentleman procured of him a pardon for a sinne to come ; and afterwards robd the Pardoner as he passed through a Forrest , professing that that was the sinne for which hee procured the pardon which hee bought of him . Did not the Gentleman serue the Pardoner right ?

93 You b b Bellar. lib. 3. de Eccles. cap. 2. define your Church , to be a companie of men professing one faith , vnder one head , to wit , the Pope . Whereupon it must needs follow , ( must it not thinke you ? ) that when you haue no Pope , you haue no Church . Now after the death of every Pope there is a time wherin there is no Pope . Your Chaire stands emptie , sometimes many dayes , sometimes many yeares . And doth it not thereon follow , that after the death of every of your Popes , there is a time wherein you haue no Church ?

94 You brag as much of the name of the Church , as the c c Ier. 7. 4. Iewes of olde did of the Temple of the Lord . At every other word ( almost ) the Church is in your mouthes . And if you champion d d Rat. 3. Campian lie not , Audito Ecclesiae nomine hostis expalluit , Wee no sooner heare of the name of the Church , but our hearts faile vs . Now I pray you of all loues , tell what you meane by the Church , when you say c c Gretser . ●ract . de agnoscend . Script . Canon . cap 4. col . ●888 . the Church is Iudex omnium controversiarum , Iudge of all controversies : and that Infallibilitas verbi Dei ex Ecclesiae testimonio pendet , The infallibilitie of the word of God depends vpon the Church : and that we must heare the Church . Are you of Gretzers mind , who f f Idem lib. citat . cap. 6. col. 1905. et defens . Bellar. lib. 3. cap. 10. col , 1450. saith , that in these particulars , Per Ecclesiam intelligimus Romanum Pontificem , By the Church we meane the Pope ? If so , much good doe you with your Church , I had rather be of a poore Chappelrie , then one of your Church .

95 It is said , that all your Priests take this oath : g g Bulla Pij 4. sup forma pro●fess . fid. constit . 30 in summa constit summ . Pont. a Greg. 9. vsque ad Six●●● 5. Ego N. sacram Scripturam iuxta eum sensum quem tenuit & tenet sancta mater Ecclesia , cuius est iudicare de vero sensu & interpretatione sacrarum Scripturarum admitto ; nec e●m vnquam nisi iuxta vnanimem consensum Patrum accipiam & interpretab●r : that is , I such a one , do take the holy Scripture in that sense , which my holy mother the Church , whose dutie it is to iudge which is the true sense of Scripture , hath taken it , and takes it in : neither will I ever take it in other sense then such as the Fathers giue thereof with one conset . Now if you do so , I would know how you can cleare your selues from periurie , seeing it is plaine , you sometimes take and expound Scriptures in that sense , which never Father gaue of them . As for example , Mica . 7. v. 8 , 9. which h h Bellar. lib. 1. de Purg. cap. 3. you alledge for Purgatorie : for no Father did ever so expound it . Sometimes you take and expound them in that sense which is contrary to some Fathers ; as when i i Idem lib. 1. de Purg. cap. 7. you expound the words in 24. of Prov. v. 16. of falling into sin : for , Non de iniquitatibus , sed de tribulationibus loquitur : The text speakes not of falling into sinne , but of falling into adversitie , saith Austin de Civitate Dei , lib. 11. cap. 31. Sometimes you take and expound them in that sense which is contrary to all the Fathers , which we find to haue interpreted them ; as when k k Ioh. de Paris . tract . de potest Regia & Papali . cap. 3. S●apleton . Antidos . in Evang. Io● . cap. 10 you take Christs words , Ioh. 10. 16. which he spake of one Shepheard , to be meant of your Pope , and not of Christ himselfe : for the l l Vide Rainold . Apolog. Thesium nu. 24. Fathers say , that by one Shepheard , Christ meant himselfe .

96 I am told , m m Sym●●ch . instit. Cathol , c. 23. tit . de Eccles. nu. 5. Apolog. Staph. adver . Illyr. fol. 82. 83. Pigh. Hierarch . Eccl. lib. 1. cap. 5 Hos. lib 3. de a●thorit . sac . Script . you commend the Collier , who being asked by a Divell , as he lay on his death-bed , or by a Cardinall , as he was travailing on the way , how he beleeved ; returned answer , As the Church beleeved . And being asked , how the Church beleeved , replied , As hee beleeved : Vouchsafing no other answere , but , I beleeue as the Church beleeues , and the Church beleeues as I beleeue . Now if this be true , is it not true also , that Laico-papismus nihil aliud est quàm merus idiotismus , The Divinity of Lay-papists is nothing else but foolerie ? Certainly n n Lib. 5. cap. 20. ad●●iorum iudicia confugiun● &c. Lactantius laughed at them as fooles , who being asked a reason of that which they beleeved , could giue none , but rested in their forefathers iudgements , quòd illi sapientes fuerint , illi probaverint , illi sciverint , quod esset optimum : because ( forsooth ) they were very wise , they approoved of that which they held , they knew what was best to be holden : concluding , that such did seips●s sensibus spoliare , & ratione abdicare , shew themselues idiots .

97 It is written by the o o Watson in his Quodlib . p. 100 and Sparing discourse . Secular Priests , that when Sixtus 5. conventing the Generall of the Iesuites before him , demanded why he and his Order called themselues Iesuites : and receiving answer , that they did not call themselues so , but Clerkes only , of the societie of Iesus : and that the Pope replying , said ; But why should you appropriate vnto your selues to bee of the societie of Iesus , more then other Christians are , of whom in generall the p p 1 Cor. 1 , 2. Apostle saith , Vocati sumus in societatem Filij eius , We are called into the societie of Iesus ? The Iesuites Generall made hereto no replication . Now my desire is , you would supply what was wanting in the Generall of the Iesuites : for me thinkes the Popes answer doth convince the Iesuites to bee as faultie in raking vpon them in speciall to be of the society of Iesus , as if they had taken vpon them to be named Iesuites of Iesus . Which was held altogether vnlawfull in former , as well as in these later times . For , nuns dicimur Christiani à Christo , & in Paradiso appellabimur Iesuani à Iesu : We are here on earth called Christians of Christ , whereas in heaven we shall be called Iesuites of Iesus , q q In Mariali part. 7. ser. 5. de parturit . Maria , part. 4. fol. 25. saith Bernardinus de Busti . And , Ratio quare dicimur Christiani à Christo , & non à Iesu Iesuani , est , quia rem signatam hoc nomine Christus , scilicet vnctionem , nobis communicavit , sed rem signatam nomine Iesu , non communicavit nobis , Interpretatur enim Salvator , cuius effectus viz. salvare , ipsi soli convenit . Ipse enim vt dicitur in Evangelio , Salvum faciet populum suum , &c , ac si diceret , ipse solus & non alius : The reason why ( here ) we are called Christians of Christ , and not Iesuites of Iesus , is this , saith r r Constit . Pr●vin . l. 1. tit . de consuetudine ▪ Huius autem . Lindwood : Christ hath communicated to vs what is signified by his name Christ , viz. vnction , but hee hath not communicated vnto vs what is signified by his name Iesus : for Iesus signifieth a Saviour ; and it is his propertie to saue , and no mans else , as the Scripture witnesseth .

98 It is written , s s Amauld in his Pleadings against the Iesuites , & Azor. instit. moral . part . 1. lib. 12. cap. 21. that the whole Order of your Humble Friers were put downe in an instant by Pi●s 5. Anno 1570. for that some of them would haue murthered Cardinall Borrhomaens . t t See Sedulius comment . in vitam S. Francis . cap. 3 nu. 8. Aud all the Frier Minorites were banished out of Apulia by Fredericke 2. for that they perswaded the people to put in execution the Popes commandement . u u A●or . lib. cit. cap. 5. And the whole Order of the Templaries , for suspition of impietie , were spoiled of all they had by Clement 5. approouement . Now I would know , if you and your fellowes had bin so served for your Powder-plot , what reason you could haue rendered against such procceeding with you ; seeing it is an old said saw , Pares culpa , pares poena , They who sin alike , ought to be punished alike .

99 Our noble King reports , that his Mother sent word to the Arch-bishop who did baptize him , Premonition to all Christian Monarchs . p. 33 to forbeare to vse spittle in his baptisme : For she would not haue a pockie Priest to spit in her childs mouth . Your Cardinall Bellarm. Apolog. pro Resp. sua ad lib. Iacobi magna Bratanniae Regis , cap. 7. answers , Non est credibile eam caeremoniam à Catholica Regina fuisse prohibitam : It is not credible that the Queene his Maiesties Mother required him to forbeare that ceremonie . And his onely reason is this , Non est verum ea caeremonia salivam Presbyteri in os infantuli inspui , It is not true that the Priests spittle vsed in baptisme , is put into the childs mouth . Yet wee reade in Guide de mome Rocherij , Possevi● Appar . sacer . verbo Guido . who lived 250 yeares ago , that Sacerdos mittit digitum in aures eius [ baptizandi ] & ponit de salive in ore eius : & signat quòd baptizandus debet habere aures apertas ad audien dum verba Dei & documenta fidei : Manipulus Curatorum cap. 8. de annexis baptism . Impress . Lov●●●ij Anno 1485. postio salivae in ore signat , quòd debet esse promptus ad respondendum & loquendum de fide , quia loquutio fit mediante saliua : The Priest puts his finger into the eares of him who comes to bee baptized , and spittle into his mouth : the putting of his finger into the eares , signifies that the partie to be baptized should haue his eares alwayes open to heare the word of God ; and the putting in of spittle into his mouth , signifies , that he should speake roundly and readily of faith , because spittle helpes speech . Now good Sir Priest tell mee , how your Cardinall can be cleanly excused for calling in question the truth of so great a Kings report , so well grounded , not onely on the certaintie of the fact ▪ but also on the authoritie of their good Master of Ceremonies for the thing de iure .

100 Againe , our noble King writes , Premonition , &c supra citat . pag. 111. That the title of Cardinall , Priests and Deacons , is restrained onely to the Parish Priests and Deacons of Rome . And your Cardinall Bellarmine answers , Apolog. supra citata , cap. 4. Non est verum , nomen Cardinalis ademptum alijs & solis Romanis reservatum ▪ nam vsque ad hanc diem Ecclesia Compostellana habe● suos Cardinales : That is not true which our King writes , for the Church at Compostella hath her Cardinalls to this day . De maiestate Eccles. militantis , lib. 1. part. 1. c. 5. Impress Venet. Anno 1602. Yet we reade in Mosco●i●s Vicar generall to the Archbishop of Bononia , that Pius 5. in suo diplomate , Anno 1568 , penitus hoc nomen in omnibus alijs Ecclesiis praeterquam in Romana extinxit , & folummodò Cardinalis nomen competere voluit Cardinalibus S. R. P. à Papacreatis : Pius 5. by his Bull bearing date 1568. cried downe the name Cardinall in all other Churches but in Rome ; decreeing that such onely as are created by the Pope Cardinalls of the Church of Rome , shall be called Cardinalls . And doth not this argue your Cardinall an audacious Prelate , who seekes to outface at once two of his betters , a learned King in his owne book , and a late Pope in his owne Bull ?

101 Cardinall Bellarmine affirmes , Praefat. in cont. 7. Nefac apud eos [ Protestantes ] quenquam creari Episcopum nisi vnius saltem vxoris virum : The Protestants hold it an hainous offence to make any man a Bishop , who is not at least the husband of one wife . Yea , hee affirmes , that Nulli apudeos [ Protestantes ] continent : Lib. 2. de Monach . cap. 9. No man ( neither of the Clergie , nor of the Lai●ie ) among Protestants liues continently , that is , according to his meaning , vnmarried . Yet to omit the single life of many Laiks , As Grindall , Whitgift , Bancroft , and now B. Abbots all Archbishops with aboue 20. other Bishops vnmaried . it is well knowne that the more part of our Bishops since the reformed times , were and are vnmarried men . Deserues not your Cardinall , for these Cardinall lies , to bee rewarded with a whetstone ?

102 You a a See Bell. lib. 1. de Clericis c. 1● . tell vs , That if the Priests of Moses law abstained from their wiues in their severall turnes , wherein they served at the Altar : ( which you take as granted ) much rather ought the Priests of the New Law , who are to serue at the Altar euery day , abstaine alwayes from wiues . But seeing the high Priest , who ( doubtlesse ) abstained not from his wife alwayes , b b Exod 30. 7 , 8 served at the Altar daily ; I would know how you can proue it to mee plainly , That the Priests of Moses Law in their severall turnes wherein they served at the Altar , abstained from their wiues . And if c c Lib. 1. adver. lovinian . Ierom be your best proofe ; then , seeing d d Ibid. he saith , That the Priests of Moses Law abstained from wine and strong drinke , as well as from their wiues ; I would know , why your Priests should not abstaine alwayes from wine and strong drinke , as well as from wiues ?

103 You e e Bell. lib. 1. de Cler. c. 21. tell vs , That every man hath the gift of Continency , who will . But seeing S. Paul witnesseth , f f 1 Cor. 12. 11. That God distributeth to every man severally as he will ( proper gifts ) and g g 1 Cor. 7. 7. accounts the gift of continency for a proper gift : and that our Saviour Matth. 19. 11 , 12. speaking of Continency , affirmes , that all men are not capable of it : I would know how you can accord your doctrine with the Apostles , and with our Saviours . If you tell me , h h Conc. Trid Sess. 24. Can. 9. That Deus id rectè petentibus non deneget : God will not deny the gift therof to them who askeit of him aright : I desire to know why S. Paul ; who ( considering the times ) was so desirous that men should liue vnmarried , did not rather perswade them who could not containe , rectè petore , to pray aright for the gift of it , then i i 1 Cor. 7. 9. to marry : and whether you thinke that every man may obtaine the other proper gifts , such as that of prophesie , and of speaking strange languages , and of healing : if he will , and doe rectè petere .

104 You all affirme , That all the Apostles were continent from their wiues , after they followed Christ ; and wee denie it . Now thus Largue for vs , and against you : Saint Peter begat of his wife , after he followed Christ , a daughter called Petronilla . Ergo all the Apostles were not continent from their wiues , after they followed Christ . Alfonsus ▪ Villegas in the life of Petronilla , May 31. translated out of Spanish into English , and printed 1610. The Antecedent of which Argument , is proved thus : Saint Peter had a daughter called Petronilla , borne in lawfull matrimonie , who was so faire and beautifull , that Count Flaccus a man of great account in Rome , and of an high linage , doted on her , Anno Christi 98. which was about 68 yeares after Peter began to follow Christ . For he began to follow Christ An. 30. Ergo S. Peter had a daughter called Petronilla , begotten by him of his wife after hee followed Christ . The consequence of which argument is proved thus : Petronilla in the 98 yeare of Christ , could not be so faire and beautifull , that a man of honour and worth could do●e on her , vnlesse she was begotten by her father of his wife after his Apostleship . For in that yeare , viz. 98. if she had been begotten by her father before his Apostleship , she had beene 68. yeares old , past fairenesse , past beautie . Ergo Saint Peter had a daughter called Petronilla , begotten of his wife after he followed Christ . Answer Priest , and denie not the Legends of thy Church , and I will burne all my bookes but my Bible .

105 You all affirme , Rhem. Annot. in Tit. 1. 6. That if the studious Reader peruse all antiquitie , hee shall finde all not able Bishops and Priests of Gods Church to haue beene single , or continent from their wiues , if they were married before they came to the Clergie . And we denie it . Now thus I argue for vs , and against you , in this . If by antiquitie it appeare , that some notable Bishop had two sons by his wife ; to the elder of which hee spake thus a little before his death : 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Nazianz carm. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ; de vita sua , Edit. Nondum tot anni sunt tui , Paris . an. 1611. quot iam in sacris Mihi sunt peracti victimis , &c.

The yeares of thine age are not so many as the yeares of my Priesthood , &c. Then the studious Reader perusing antiquitie , may finde , that all notable Bishops lived not continent from their wiues , whom they had married before they came to the Clergie . For how could a notable Bishop haue the elder of his two sonnes by his wife , of fewer yeares then he had bin in priesthood , vnlesse he begat him and his younger brother after hee was in the Clergie ? But the Antecedent is true . Ergo the consequent . That the Antecedent is true , is proved by this , That in antiquitie we finde Gregory Nazianzen and Caesarius were brethren , sonnes of one Gregorie , a notable Bishop , by his wife Nonna ; and that Gregory Nazianzen was the elder , to whom his father Gregory said as is abouesaid .

106 a a Rhem. Annot in Math. 3. 14. & 1 Tim. 3. 2. 〈◊〉 Tit. 1. 6. You all affirm , It was never lawfull in Gods Church to marry after holy Orders and that there is not one Authenticall example thereof in the world . And we deny it . Now thus I argue for vs , and against you , in this : If it were the custome of the Greeke Church in old time to suffer their Priests , and Deacons , and Subdeacons to marry , then once it was lawfull in Gods Church to marry after holy Orders : and ( doubtlesse ) once there were many Authenticall examples thereof in the world . But it was the custome of the Greeke Church in old time , to suffer their Priests , and Deacons , and Subdeacons to marry . Wherefore it was once lawfull in Gods Church to marry after holy Orders , &c.

That it was the custome of the Greeke Church in old time , to suffer their Deacons and Subdeacons to marrie , it is so apparant by the 10 Canon of the Councell kept at Ancyra , that your b b De Iustitia & iure l. 7 Qu est . 6. Ar● . ● . pa 728. Soto confesseth , Negart non posse , it cannot be denyed . That it was the custome of the Greeke Church in old time to marrie , it is so apparant by c c Dist. 31 , c. Ali●er . these words of one of your Popes called Steuen .

Aliter se orientatium traditio habet Ecclesiarum : - aliter huius Sanct●● Roman●● Ecclesiae : Nam carum Sacerdotes , Diaconi , ●t Subdiaeoni in matrimonio copulantur : istius autem Ecclesiae nullas Sacerdotum licentiam habet con●ugium sortiendi : The tradition of the Greeke Church is different from the tradition of the Rom. Church : for , their Priests and Deacons , and Subdeacons may marry : whereas no priest in the Romish Church is permitted to marry . That d d 1 , 2 q. primi Quòdlibera teste Scto loco oitato . Caietan one of your Cardinalls , audenter ait , qu●d etiam post susceptos ordines quondam ●sacerdotibus liouit matrimonio copulari : confidently affirmes , That in old time even priests might marry after their Ordination Yet if you , Sir Priest , know better then Soto , and Caietan , to ●lude their proofes ; speake out that the world may take notice of your wit . But take heed of the e e In Dist. 31. 〈◊〉 Aliter . Glosses answer , though it be approoved by Cardinall f f Confess Petrikuvia cap. 56. Hosius : expound not In matrimonio copulantur , i. copula vtuntur : as though Stephen had meant no more then that the Clergie in Graecia had lived after their Ordination with their wiues whom they had married before their Ordination : for , which is observed by one of your g g Greg. de Valentia . lib. de Calibaiu , cap. 4. Grande Iesuites : I●●a interpretatio Glossa non satis videtur Textui con●entanea : nam vt patet ex Antithesi ; quam ibi facit Stepha●us proeodem ille a●●epit Matrimonia copul ari et fontiri coniugi●m . As sorti●● coniugi●● , inire m●trimonium est . Ergo et matrimento 〈◊〉 That exposition seemes not sutable to the 〈…〉 by the opposition in Stephene speech it is evident Stephen meant the selfe same thing by in 〈…〉 : & by , sortiri coniugtum . But by sortiri coniugin̄ 〈…〉 he meant to marry . Wherefore by , In matrimonio 〈◊〉 , he meant , to marry . Besides , the Glosses exposition giues a deadly blow to your former asse●tion : viz. That all notable Bishops and Priests lived continent from their wiues whom they had married before they came to the Clergie ; for if in matrimonia copulari , signifie copulate viuntur ; they lived not continent from their wiues

107 You haue set vs out o● divers times , divers * * Indices lib. prohibiterum . Indices or forbidden bookes , of which I haue seene three , One made by the Inquisitors of Rome , and printed Anne 15●9 . by the commaundement of Paul 4. Another , made by the Deputies of the Councell of Trent , and printed Anno 1564. by the commandement of Pius 4. A third , enlarged by Sixtus quintus , and reviewed and printed An. 1594. by the commandement of Clemens the 8. In the first of these Editions , I found forbidden , a a Litera ● . Abdiae de vitis 12. Apost. b b Ibid. Itinerarium Petri per Clementem ▪ c c Lit. O. Opus imperfectum in Mattheum . d d Lit. N. Nicolas Cabasila . e e Lit A. Almaricus , f f Lit G. G●lielmus de sancto Amore , g g Lit. 1. Iacobus Alman consra Thomam de Vio , by whom is meant Cardinall Caietan ; and h h Ibid. Ioh. Casaepoemata . But I cannot finde any of them either in the second or third Editions . Againe , in the first Edition of these Indices , I found Desiderius i i Lit. D. Erasmus Roterodamus p●nced in the ranke of writers , quorum libri & scrip●●mnia prohibentur , whose bookes and writings ( of what argument 〈…〉 Religion or humanitie ) are absolutely forbidden . And I found in the same ranke forbidden , k k Litera N. Nilus Thessalonicensis , l l Ibid. Nicola●● Clemangis , m m Lit. B. Beatus Rhenanus , and n n Lit. V. Vearious Zasius . Yet in the two latter Editions of the Indices , I found all these removed out of the first ranke into the second , which are not so severely censured as those in the first . And in the last of Clemens 8. I found a o o Lit B. Append. Catechisme of Charanza Archbishop of Toledo forbidden , which was p p History of the Con●cel of Trem , l. 8. pag. 750. approued by the Deputies of the Councell of Trent , vpon perusall and relation made , that nothing worthy of censure was found in it . Now I desire to know the reason of all this shuffling ; why Abdias , ●tinerarium Petri , Opus imperfectum , Cabasila , Almaricus , Gulielmus de S. Amore , Alman against Caietan , and Cas● poemata , which were forbidden in the first Edition , are left out in the later Editions ; seeing the leaving of them out argues allowance of them . And , vpon what consideration all Erasmus workes were forbidden , seeing q q Versio novi Testam . some of them were approoved by the Bull of Leo 10 ? r Pr●●fix . version● novi Test. per Erasm . And why Nilus , Clemingis , Rhenanus , Zazius , and Erasnius , were removed out of a worse ranke into a better ; s Ioh. Casa Areh . Benerens ▪ in tota venetorum ditione Pauli Papit I●●gatus , &c. Vergerius annot. in Indicem Rom. impress . 1599. seeing that argues great diversitie of iudgement in Popes ? And by what authoritie Charanz●es Catechisme is forbidden , which was approoved by the Councell of Trent ? I hope your later Popes will not disanull what the Councell of Trent established : and I hope they dare not iustifie the books cried downe by Panlus quartus , especially Iohannis Casa poemata , which were written in commendation of the sinne of Sodomie , though the writer was Archbishop of Beneventum and the Popes Legat throughout the whole estate of Venice ; nor yet Abdias , whose liues of the Apostles , fabulis similiores sunt , quàm verae narrationi , are more like to tales of Robin Hood , then to truth , in t t De● script . Ecclesiasti●u , verbo Abdias ●abilonius . Bellarmines opinion .

107 As you haue ●et vs out divers Indices of forbidden bookes ; so you haue set vs out divers * * Indices librorum expurgandorum . Indices of books which stand in need of purgations , & must be purged before they can be vsed : of which I haue seene foure : the Belgicke , published by u u Anno 15●6 . after the originall thereof p●inted by Plautin , anno 1571. Iunius : the Spanish , by x x Anno 1584. at Mudil . in Spaine . Quiroga : the Neopolitan , by y y Anno 1588 ▪ at Venice . Gregory Capuccinus : the Romine , by z z Anno 1607. at Rome . Fr. Ioan. Maria , Master of the Popes Pallaces . In one or two of these purgatory Indices , order is taken that these and such like propositions shall bee razed out of the Indices and margents of S. Austin , S. Ierom , S. Hilarie , S. Chrysos●ome , and Epiphanius , viz. a a Ex quibusdem Ind●●●bus Frobeni ●nis in opera Aug. desendae sunt subie●●ae propositiones Quiroga . lib. citat fol. b. Index Belgicus ●ol. 8. &c. Eucharistiam non esse sacrificium , sed sacrificij memoriam : The Eucharist is not a sacrifice , but a commemoration of a sacrifice . fides sola iustificat : Faith onely iustifies . Imaginum vsus prohibitus : The vse of Images is forbidden . Machabaeorum liber Apocryphus : The booke of Machabees is Apocryphal . Matrimonium omnibus concessum qui continere non volunt : Mariage is free for all who will not liue vnmaried . Peccata venialia damnant : Veniall sinnes are damnable . Sanctorum invocationem praeuenit Iohannes : Saint Iohn prevented invocation of Saints . b b Ex Indicibus in opera Hieron . delenda subiecta pnopositiones Qu●oga . fol. 106. Adorare statuas vel imagine●●ultores Dei non debent : Religious persons should not adore statues or images . Fides sola iustificat : Faith onely iustifies . Opera non iustificant : Workes doe not iustifie . Opera si iustificant , Christus gratis mortuus est : If works iustifie , Christ dyed causlesly . Apostoli omnes aequales : All the Apostles were equals . Opera omnia commixta sunt alique errore : Our best actions haue some want . Oratio pro viuis valet , non pro mortuis : Prayer profits liuing men , not dead men . c c In Indice Hilarij deleantur sequentia . Quiro● ga , fol. 110. Alients meritis & operibus nemo iuvatur : No man is better for other mens merits and works . Meritum hominis nullum : Man hath no merits . Non ex meritis salus : Salvation comes not by merits . d d Ex Indice in Chrysostomum delend● subiect●● propositiones , idem , fol. 138. Apostolorum doctrina facilis , Scripturae diuinae omnibus volentibus peruiae & faciles : The holy Scriptures are plaine and easie for every man . Confitenda Deo peccata , non homini : Confession is to be made to God , and not to man . A Deo solo omnia petenda : We must pray for all things to God onely . Ecclesia non super hominem , sed super fidem adificata : The Church is built not on Peter , but on Peters faith . Fide sol● iustificari : Faith onely iustifies . Coram Imaginibus procumbere quanta stupiditas : It is a great foolerie to kneele before Images . Iustus nec in operibus confidat , quantumcunque bonis : Let not a good man trust in his goodnesse , be he never so good . Mandatis Dei addere , diaboli est consuetudo : It is the divels practise to adde vnto Gods commandements . Martyres colere Pseudo-Christianos : False Christians worshippe Martyrs . Prophet as omnes vxores habuisse : All the Prophets had wiues . Punire pios post mortem impossibile : It is impossible that godly men after their death should goe to Purgatorie . Sacerdotes etiam Principibus iure divino subditi : Bishops are subiect to Princes by Gods law . Sine Scriptura divina nihil asserendum : Nothing is to be taught without warrant of holy Scripture . Scripturarum lectio omnibus necessaria : It is necessarie all men should reade the Scripture . Scriptur as legere , omnibus , etiam mundanis , praeceptum : Every man , even lay-men are bound by commandement to reade the Scriptures . e e Ex anni●at . in Epiphan. deleantur scquentia . Quiroga fol. 66. Creaturam non adorari : Creatures are not to bee worshipped . Mortuis vivorum preces non prodesse : The prayers of the living doe not helpe the dead . ● See Quiroga , fol. 7. et Ind. impress . Kom. 1607. fol. 47. but especially Capu●●ciuis fo. 167. Imagines damnatae : Images are condemned . Sanctinon adorandi : Saints are not to be adored . Yea , in these Indices , order is taken , that these and such like propositions shall be razed out of the Indices and margents of certaine Bibles : viz. 1. 1 1 Levit. 21. 5. Sacerdos n●n redat barbam : Let not a priest shaue his beard . 2 2 21. 13 Sacerdos virginem ducat v●orem : Let a priest marry a virgin . 3 3 25. 18. Praecepta Dei cust●dienda : Gods precepts are to bee kept . 4 4 Exod. 20. 4. Sculptilia prohibet fieri : Hee forbids the making of graven things . 5 5 Deut 4. 2. Verbo Dei nihil addendum aut detrahendum : Nothing is to be added or detracted from Gods word . 6 6 1 Cor. 10. 14 Idololatria fugienda : Idolatry is to be avoyded . 7 7 1 Sam. 7. 3. & Math. 4. 10. Illi soli seruiendum : Him only shalt thou serue . 8 8 Deu. 12. 8. 32 Faciendum quod Deus praecipit , non quod nobis rectum videtur : We must doe what God commands vs , and not what seems good in our owne eyes . 9 9 Psal. 27. 1. & 61. 3. Salus et spes nostra Deus : God is our salvation and our hope . 10 10 Psal. 62. 8. In Deo spes ponenda : Our trust is to be reposed in God . 11 11 Psal. 96. 9. Adorandus Deus : God is to be worshipped . 12 12 Psal. 119. 18 Optat doceri a Deo : He wisheth that he might be taught of God . 13 13 Rom. 3. 4. Omnis homo mendax : Every man is a lyer . 14 14 1 Cor. 1. 30 Christus iusticia nostra : Christ is our righteousnesse . 15 15 Exod 15. 2. Deus sortitudo nostra : God is our strength . 16 16 Eccle. 7. 22. Omnes peccatores : All men are sinners . 17 17 Acts 17. 24 Non in manufactis templis habitat Deus : God dwelleth not in temples made with hands . 18 18 Ier. 17. Maledicti confidentes in homine : Cursed are they who put their trust in men . 19 19 Habak. 2. Iustus ex fide viuit : The iust man liues by faith . 20 20 Mat. 23. 10. Doctor Ecclesiae Christus : Christ is the master of his Church . 21 21 Math. 17. 5. Christus dilectus audiendus : Christ the welbeloued is to be heard . 22 22 Mat. 19. 17. Mandata Dei obseruanda : The commandements of God are to bee kept . 23 23 Luke 8. 48. Fides saluat : Faith saues . 24 24 Act. 20. 34. & 1 Cor. 4 12 Laborat manibus Paulus : Paul wrought with his owne hands . 25 25 1 Tim. 1. 9. Lex non iuste , sed impio data est : The law is not given to the righteous man , but to the vngodly . 26 26 Deut. 16. 19. Respectus personarum non habendus : There ought no respect of persons to be had . 27 27 Heb. 9. Christus pro nobis mortuus : Christ dyed for vs . 28 28 Apoc. 19. 10. &c. 22. 9. Angelus non vult adorari : The Angell would not be adored . 29 29 Ioh. 11. 26. Credens Christ● , non morietur in aeternum : He that beleeveth in Christ , shall never die . 30 30 Act. 15. 9. Fide purificantur corda : Hearts are purified by faith . 31 31 Eph. 2. 8. Gratiâ Christi salvamur : We are saved by the grace of Christ . 32 32 Rom. 11. 6. Gratiâ Christi salvamur , non operibus , alioquin gratia non est gratia : Wee are saved by the grace of Christ , and not by works , else grace were no grace . 33 33 Mat. 15. 9. Hominum mandata docens , frustrà Deum colit : In vaine they worship God , who teach for doctrine mens precepts . 34 34 1 Cor. 7. 1 , 2 Homini bonum mulierem non tangere ; propter fornicationem tamen habeat vnusquisque vxorem suam : It is good for a man not to touch a woman ; but for avoiding of fornication , let every man haue his owne wife . 35 35 2 Sam. 22. 7 In infirmitatibus inuocantibus Deum salus : There is a helpe for them who pray to God in the time of trouble . 36 36 2 The. 3. 10 Qui non laborat , non manducet : He that will not labour , let him not eate . 37 37 1 Cor. 10. 25 Manducet Christianus quicquid vendi solet in macello : Let a Christian eate whatsoever comes into the shambles to be be sold . 38 38 Rom. 9. 13. Miseranti Deo tribuenda salus : Our salvation is to be ascribed vnto Gods mercy . 39 39 Phil. 2. 13. Operatur in nobis Deus & vel . le & perficere : God works in vs both the will and the deed . 40 40 Prov. 16. 6. Misericordiâ purgantur peccata : By mercie iniquities are forgiuen . 41 41 Ioh. 14. 13. Petentes in nomine Christi obtinemus : We obtaine what we aske in Christs name . 42 42 Heb. 1. 3. Purgatio peccatorum nostrorum facta per Christum : The purging of our sinnes is wrought by Christ . Though these bee in sense and meaning in the currant of the text it selfe , and most of them formally , even in so many words , ( as appeareth by the marginall quotations ) yet by commandement of your Church , they are to bee blotted out of the Indices and Margents of such Bibles as you allow men to keepe . Now I desire to know , what greater harme these propositions set downe in the Margent and Indices of your Bibles are like to worke , then the same which are read in the currant of the Text ? And why , if you feare any danger by them , you purge not the Text from them , as well as the Margent and the Indices ? And I desire to bee satisfied in like manner , what greater mischiefe might happen by suffering the propositions found in the Indices and Margents of the Fathers , then by the matter in the currant of the Text , whereunto they haue reference ? And why , if any mischiefe be feared , the Text of the Fathers is not purged , as well as the Margents and Indices ?

108 There was printed at Bononia in Italy , Anno 1590. a booke intitled , Liber conformitatum vita B. ac Seraphici patris Francisci , written by one Bartholomew Pisanus , and published by one Ieremy Buc●hius , of which booke it is affirmed in the Title page , that it is liber aureus , a golden booke . In this golden booke so lately set out , I reade , that a a Copia Litera a Pisano gratiali Capitulo directae ad initium lib. Conformitat . Christus ipsum Patrem Franciscum sibi per omnia similem reddidit et conformem : Christ made Frier Francis like and conformable to himselfe in all respects : and that b b Lib. 3. conformitat . 31. fol. 303. col. 3. & fol. 306. col. 4. In monte Alverna , Franciscus cum Deo & Domino Iesu Christo vnius spiritus efficitur : In the mount of Alverna , Frier Francis was made one spirit with God the Father and his Sonne Christ Iesus . And , that Frier Francis said the words of Christ , c c Math. 25. 40. Quod vni ex minoribus meis fecistis , mihi fecistis : That which you haue done to one of these my little ones , you haue done vnto me ; were spoken by Christ , 1 1 ad liter●● . literally , and 2 2 specialiter . particularly of his Frier Minorites . And that e e Lib. 3. conformitat . 31. fol. 300. col. 2. B. Franciscus titulatus fuit titulo Iesus Nazare●us Rex Iudaeorum : Frier Francis had the tittle of Iesus of Nazareth king of the Iewes given him . And that f f Lib. 1. fruct. 1. fol. 13. col. 2. Nemo fuit minister & servus Christi vt Franciscus , & ipsius perfectus imitator : Christ had neuer such a servant as Frier Francis ; there was never any man who imitated Christ in so perfect manner as Frier Francis . g g Lib. 1 fruct. 9. fol. 112. col. 4. Similis B. Francisco & suo Ordini non est inventus , qui servauit ad literam legem Excelsi : There was never such a person heard of as S. Francis and his order , who kept Gods law literally . h h Lib. 2. conformit . 17. fol. 228. col. 1. et conformit . 25. fol. 272. col. 2. B. Franciscus totum Evangelium ad literam obseruauit : Saint Francis kept the Gospel literally . Nec apicem vel vnicum transgreditur , nec iota : He brake not a tittle of it , nor a iote . These fooleries and blasphemies are in that booke , and no dele set vpon them . Yea though it was wont to be held an heresie to say , i i Director . Inquisit. part. 2. q. 8. teste Capuc●in● in E●chiria . Eccles. fol. 236. Quod B. Franciscus est ille Angelus , de quo dicitur in Apocalypsi , Vidi alterum Angelum habentem signum Dei viui : That S. Francis was that Angell , of whom it is written in the Revelation , I saw another Angell which had the seale of the liuing God : yet so much is written in this booke in these words , k k Lib 3. conformit . 31 fol. 300. col 4. et fol. 301. col. 1. Quòd prophetia Apoc. 7. fuerit ad literam de B. Francisco , diuinitùs Domino Bonauenturae Cardinali fuit ostensum ; and no dele set vpon them . Though it was wont to be held an heresie , at least an error , to say , l l C●pueci●●s lib. citato . Quòd B. Franciscus semel in anno descendit ad Purgatorium , & extraxit iude anima● illorum qui in hac vita fuerunt de Ordine suo , seu de Ordinibus per eum institutis , & ducit ad paradisum : That S. Francis went once a yeare downe to Purgatorie , and brought thence all the soules of them which in this world were of his Order , or any other Order instituted by him , and carried them to heaven with him : yet so much is written in this booke , in these words , wherein Christ is brought in speaking to Frier Francis thus ; m m Lib. 3. conform . 31 fol. 306. col . 2 Sicut ego in die obitus mei ad Limbum accessi , & meritis ac virtute stigmatum passionis meae , omnes animas quas inveni extraxi , sic volo quòd & tu , vt sis mihi conformis in morte , sicut es in vita , in die Natalitij tui vadas quolibet anno ad Purgatorium , & omnes animas trium Ordinum , scilicet , Minorum , sororum S. Clarae , & Continentium 3 Ordinis quos ibidem inveneris , in virtute & efficacia tuorum stigmatum eruas , & ad gloriam Paradisi perducas ; and no dele set vpon them . That it was wont to be held an heresie to say , n n Capuc . lib. cit. Quòd nullus potest damnari qui deferat habitum B. Francisci : No man could be damned who wore the habit of Saint Francis : yet it is written in this booke , that Christ revealed it to Frier Francis ; o o Lib. 1. fruct. 9. fol. 130. col. 4. Quòd nullus qui moreretur in habitu eius esset damnatus ; & no dele is set vpon it . Though it was wont to be held an error , p p Caput . lib. cit. Quòd Ordo B. Francisci in perpetuum durabit ; Though Saint Francis Order should continue till doomes day : yet q q Agnoscente Sedulio lib. 2. Apolog. pro S. Franc. cap. 10. p● . 114. that is in this booke , and no dele set vpon it .

In other of your bookes we reade , that the virgine Mary promised a yong man mariage , saying , r r Casarius dial. 7 de S. Maria , cap. 33. Discip . de mirat . B. Virg. Exempl. 27. Ego ero vxor tua , accede ad me & da mihi osculum ; & coegit eum : I will be thy wife , come and kisse me ; and shee compelled him to kisse her . And afterwards , when the youth was ready to take horse , shee held his stirrup , and bad him get vp . Wee reade , s s Caesar . dial . cit. cap. 51. Discip lib. cit. Exem . 59. that she came to another youth , who serued her very devoutly , c●llumque brachijs suis stringens dedit illi osculum , and halsing him about the necke kissed him . Wee t t Caesar . dial . cit. cap. 35. Discip . lib. Cit. Exem . 25. reade , that shee in an Oratory supplied personally the place of one Betris an arrant whore , by the space of fifteene yeares together , whilest Betris the whore ranne vp and downe after a whoremaster Priest , so that no bodie knew in all that time that Betris was missing . We u u Vincent . Spec. hist lib. 7. cap. 86 Discip . lib. citato . Exemp. 24. reade , that to saue the credit of an Abbesse who was with child , she came vnto her with two Angels attending her , commanding the Angels to play the Midwiues ; & to carry the child in her name to a certaine Heremite , willing him to keepe it for her till it was seven yeares old . We x x See Fox Act. and Monum . in Edw. 4. ad Aun. 1484. pag. 667. Edit. 1610. reade , that she came to the Cell of one Alanus , and was so familiar with him , that shee not onely espoused him to her husband , but also kissed him , and opened to him her pappes , and powred great plentie of her owne milke into his mouth . Wee y y In the life of S. Catharin , written in Italian by D. Cate●inus Senensis , and translated into English by Iohn Fen priest printed Anno 1609. part. 2. cap. 16. reade , that S. Katherin intreated Christ to take away her heart , and to giue her a new heart : & that one day Christ came and opened her side sensibly with his hand , and tooke out her heart , and so went his way , leaving her indeede without an heart ; and that shee notwithstanding being in prayer , lift vp her heart to God in prayer : and that as shee was going homeward , Christ met her with a heart in his hand , who opening her side , and putting the heart hee had in his hand into her bodie , said these words , Loe deare daughter , as I did the other day take away thy heart , so doe I now in stead of it giue thee my heart ; and so closing vp the wound which was made in her bodie , went his way . Wee z z Gold . Legend in the life of S. Dunstan . reade , that S. Dustan tooke the Divell by the nose with a paire of tongs of iron burning hote ; or a a English Martyrolog. Sep. 7. printed Anno 1608. with a paire of pinsers by the vpper lip , and held him fast . Wee b b Antoni● . hist. part. 3. tit. 23. cap. 4. sect. 6. seu Canus loc. com . li● . 11. cap. 6. reade that S. Dominicke caused the Divell to hold him a candle so long , till the Divell burnt his fingers , and fell on roaring . We c c Discip . ser. 110. de Tempore . S. reade , that the divells for feare of holy water , ranne so fast out of a sicke mans chamber , that alter in alterum impingebat , one of them crowded another , and trode on their fellowes heeles for haste . Wee d d Discip in Promptuar . Exempl . lit . E. exempl. 16. and Tractat. de horis Can●● . cap. 25. reade , that S. Brice saw the Divell get a good knocke on his pate by the wall which was behind him , whilest for want of paper to write the Friers faults in , he laboured to stretch out a paper with his teeth , as shoo-makers doe their over-leathers : for the paper rending , the Divells head ( ere the Divell was aware ) flew backward , and hit vpon the wall . We e e Petr. de Natal . in Catal Sanct. lib. 6. cap. 20. reade , that S. Margret caught the Divell by the haire , and cast him to the ground vnder feete , and that she set her right foote vpon his neck , and kept him there as long as shee thought good . We f f Idem lib. 3. cap. 131. reade , that S. Iuliana caught hold of the Divell , and bound his hands behind him , and whipt him with the chaine that was about him , and dragg'd him after her along a street , making him a laughing stocke to all the boyes in the towne , and at last cast him into a iakes . We g g Id. lib. 8. c. 70. reade , that one S. Niceta served the Divell much after the like manner , tying him vp in a dunghill . And h h Id lib. 8. ● . 20. and golden Legend in the life of Lupe or Low. that one S. Lupus shut vp the Divell so close in a basen of water , that the Divell howled and brayed , but could not get out , till S. Lupus let him out . And i i Discip . de mirat . B Virg. Ex●m . 58 that S. Peter did driue away the Devils with a great key he had in his hand . We k k Gabr de Bara●le●● , feria S. Heb● 6. An 〈◊〉 vit●s possint salvari . reade , that S. Zeno following a woman with a traine gowne , saw many divels lying and sleeping on the skirts of her gowne : and that as shee was passing over a dirtie channell , vpon holding vp of her skirts for feare of miring , the divels fell into the filthy channell ; whereat other divels , who followed on foote , and S. Zeno , laughted heartily . We reade in your bookes l l Gold . Legend in the life of S. Blase , and Leonard de Vtino , ser. 64 de S. Catharina . Sexto . that God promised S. Blase , whosoever desired his helpe for the infirmitie of the throate , should be healed . And m m Golden Legend in the life of S. Roche . that God promised S. Roche , whosoever prayed in the name of Iesus to him , should be preserved from the pestilence . And n n Leonard . de Vtino loco citato . Pet. de Natal . lib. 6. cap. 120. that God promised S. Margaret , whatsoever woman with childe prayed to her in time of her travell , should haue safe deliverance . And o o Pet. de Natal . lib. 12 cap. 111. that God promised S. Leonard , whosoever in prison desired his helpe , should be set at libertie . And p p Antonin . h●st . part. 1 , tit. 8. cap. 1. sect. 38. Pet. in Catal. lib. 10. cap. 105. that God promised S. Katherine , whosoever called vpon her in any necessitie , he should be heard . And that hee promised as much to those who called vpon q q Pet. in Catal. lib. 5. cap. 137. the 10000 Martyrs , vpon r r Idem lib. 5. cap. 106. Onuphrius the Heremite , vpon s s Engl. Festivall printed 1521. S Erasmus , vpon t t Pet. in Catal. lib. 10. cap. 16. S. Venerandus , vpon u u Idem lib. 10. cap. 61. S. Venerand● , vpon x x Idem lib. 4. cap. 81. S. George , vpon y y Horae B. Virg. ad vsum Sarum fol. 77. S. Christopher , vpon z z Legend . 〈◊〉 in vita 〈◊〉 . S. Cadoc , vpon a a Gold . Legend in her life . S. Marth● , vpon b b Pet. in Catal. lib. 8. cap. 70. Nice●a , vpon c c Pertiforium ad vsum Sarum Octob. 9. S. Denis , &c. We reade in your bookes , that ᵈ Iudas the traitor flew his Father , and lay with his mother ; and because the fiends might not drawe out his foule by his mouth , which had lately kissed Christs mouth , his belly burst , and then the fiends , tooke his soule , and carried it to Hell . We d d Engl. Festivall in the life of S. Mathias . reade , that this Iudas hath certaine play dayes , in which he comes not in Hell ; d d Gold Legend in the life of S. Brandon , & Pet in Catal. lib. 6. cap 117. as namely every Ladies day , & every Saturday afternoone till Evensong be done on Sunday . And e e Ibid. that some of the Angels which stood not in the truth , were never adiudged to Hell , but to sit as birds in a tree , and to sing Mat●ens and Evensong , and all such survice as Christian men vse to sing . Pet. in Catal. ib. 1 cap. 25. We reade , ᶠ that S. Barbara baptized her selfe in a well of water ; and that flying from other fathers furie , shee had passage made her by God through a great rocke , which opening it selfe , received her in the foreside , and let her out on the further side : and that a Shepheard who discovered this Barbara vnto her father who pursued to kill her , was turned into a stone , and his flocke of sheepe either into stones , or into Locusts . We reade , g g Gold . Legend in his life . that S. Patrick caused a stolne sheepe to bleare in his belly who had stolne and eaten it : and that hee prevailed so farre with God , that no Irish-man should abide the comming of Antichrist . We reade , h h Discip . de mirac . B. Virg. Exempl 57. that a Souldier who had no other good propertie , but that hee said one Ave Mary in the morning , & another at night , was saved by the meanes of the Virgin Mary . We reade , i i Gold . Legend in his life . that S. Macarius is commended for that hee repented sixe moneths for killing of a flea . k k English Festivall , de S. Thom. Episc. Cant. That Thomas of Canterbury . is commended for wearing louzie breeches . That S. Francis is commended 1 1 Antonin . hist. part. 3. tit. 24. cap. 2. sect. 8. for gathering wormes out of the way , that they should not be troden on : and 2 2 ●isan conform . lib. 1 fruct. 10. Lib. 2. Confor . 13. fol 140. col. 1. for calling all manner of beasts , wolues , asses , &c. his brethren : and 3 3 Vide Canum loc. com . lib. 11. cap. 6. for taking lice off beggars , and putting them on himselfe . We reade , l l Engl. Mart●●● log . lanuar . 16. that S. Henry of of Denmark is commended for that when litle wormes crept out of an Vlcer in his knee , he tooke and put them in againe , saying , Goe into your inheritante where you haue bin nourished . And m m Sedul . lib. 3. Apolog. pro. S. Franc. cap. 2. nu. 2 p. 132. that Frier Ruffin was commended for wishing that he might stinke on his deathbed , and bee cast out without buriall , that the dogs might eate him . These and ten thousand such tales as these , which are partly ridiculous , partly blasphemous , many of them ( in your owne opinions ) false , are read in your Martyrologies , Legends , Service books , &c. Now that which I desire to know , is , why you haue not Indices to purge your Martyrologies , your Legends , your Festiuals , your Vincentius , your Antoninus , your Caesarius , your Discipulus , your Peters Catalogus Sanctorum , and such like , from these ridiculous fooleries , and blasphemies , and falsities , as well as you haue to purge Bibles and other good writers , from much good matter contained in them ?

110 You a a Campian Rat. 5 brag much of the Fathers , as though they were all as wholly on your side , as any of your later Popes ▪ and you invey much against vs , as contemners of the Fathers . You would make the world beleeue , that b b Douly in his Instruction of Christ Relig. Chap. 8. we despise all the Churches Doctors , and ancient Fathers : that c c Hils Quartern of Reasons Reason 10 we make no more account of the Fathers , longer then we can wrest them to serue our turne , then we doe of Bevis of Hampton nor Adam Bell. That d d Sebast Plaskiues in profess . Cathol. Rat. 7. we make indeede no more account , of the holy Fathers , then we doe of the Turks Alcoran , or Es●ps Fables . That e e Bristow motiue 14. it is well knowne to such as heare our Sermons , ●r be in place to heare vs talke boldly and familiarly together among our selues , wee are not afraid plainely to confesse , that the Fathers were all Papists . Th●● f f Answ to M. Charks preface pag. 30. though the ancient Fathers referred all their controversies to the triall of old Doctours who lived before the controversies began , g g Ibid. pag 23. and that you are willing to doe the same ; yet h h Ibid pag 30. wee doe flie the meanes of triall . i i Bishop in his 2. part against M. Perkins title of Repentance , pag. ●14 . Wee in no one point will bee tried by the iudgement and consent of antiquitie . But marke ( Sir Priest ) what I say ; I am of k k Medulla Patrum in Athanasio cap. 15. pag. 140. Scultetus mind , That that great light of Cambridge D. Whitakers spake nothing but the truth , when in his answer to Campian hee avouched , Patres in maximis iudicijs toti sunt nostri , in levioribus varij , in minutissimis vestri : The Fathers in the maine controversies are wholly ours ; in the lesser , some ours , some yours ; in some trifles yours . Yea I am of the same minde with that other great light of Oxford D. Rainolds , who in his l l Cap. 8. sect. 6. in fin● . Conference with your Hart , solemnly protested , that in his opinion , Not one of all the Fathers was a Papist . And if you dare put your selfe on the ancient Fathers ( which you may not doe by your booke-learning , for it is the present Church , that is , your present Pope , and not the ancient Fathers , who by your booke learning is the sole Iudge of all controversies ; ) but if you dare put your selfe on the ancient Fathers to bee tried by them , for the discovering of your vanitie in bragging , and clearing of vs from your vniust calumniations , I will name you thirty severall points of doctrine , taught by you , denied by vs , for proofe of which , I am very confident you are not able to name one Father , no not one Father , who lived within a thousand years after Christ . And the doctrinall points I mean are these , 1 You teach , that the vulgar Latine is to be preferred before , at least equalled with the Hebrew and the Greeke 2 That it is not meet and expedient , especially at all times , that the Bible should be translated into the knowne languages of the common people . 3 That the holy Scriptures , though truly & Catholikly translated , may not indifferently be read of all men , no not of any other then such as haue expresse licence thereunto . 4 That the holy Scripture , even where it seemes most plaine , is yet so hard and obscure , that it stands in need of a set Interpreter , who may open vnto vs the meaning of it . 5 That it is lawfull to make an image of God the Father . 6 That Latria may be given to ●mages . 7 That there are seven Sacraments , & neither mo nor fewer . 8 That the Communion cannot with any reason be called the Lords Supper . 9 That it is vnlawfull for the common people to communicate in both kinds . 10 That it is vnlawfull for the common people to receiue the Communion with their hands . 11 That a woman may baptize . 12 That on a fasting day a man may eat at noon , yea at eleven or ten of the clock before noone . 13 That on a fasting day ▪ besides a noon dinner , a man may take his part of a good banquet at night ; he may eate apples , peares , plums , raisins of the Sunne , figs , sweet-meat , and three or foure ounces of bread withall . 14 That all such are exempted from fastings as are vnder 21 yeares of age , and aboue 60 ; all that are sicke or sore ; all women with child , all that giue su●●e , all beggars that goe from doore to doore , all M●ons ; ●arriers , Wrights , Carters ▪ Husbandmen , and ( almost ) all Handicrafts men . 15 That a Priest sinnes more grievously if he marrie , then if he play the fornicatour abroad , or keepe a whore at home . 16 That a man who hath vowed chastitie , is not guiltie of breaking his vow by whoring , but onely by marrying . 17 That a man may vow to go on pilgrimage to Ierusalem , without his wiues consent , and performe his vow . 18. That the name of Pope is to bee appropriate to the Bishop of Rome onely . 19 That the Bishop of Rome onely is by right to be called Vniversall . 20 That the Rome . Church is the Ladie of all Churches . 21 That the Church of Rome is the Mother of all Churches . 22 That the Church of Rome fundata est à solo Demino , was founded by Christ onely . 23 That out of the Church of Rome there is no salvation . 24 That without your Popes leaue , no man may preach to the Heathen . 25 That none may discutere de fide , determine a point of faith , but your Pope . 26 ▪ That the Princes of the world must kisse your Popes feete , but no other Bishops . 27 That a notorious offender may be absolved from his fault , before any penance bee performed by him , or so much as enioyned on him . 28 That if a poore womans Hen be sicke or lost , she may procure a Masse to be said for her . 29 That the Popes or Bishops blessing will purge a man from veniall sinnes . 30 That Holy bread workes like effect . These points ( I say ) are taught by you . And yet for all your craking of the Fathers , you are not able to name the Father within a thousand yeares after Christ , of whom you learned them , no not one of them : if you can , shew your skill ; if you cannot , confesse your impudencie .

11● You ●rag much of the vnity that is among you . You would make all the world beleeue , that m m Bellar. lib. 4. de N●tis Eccles. cap. 10. Nunc omnes Catholici toto orbe dispersi , de omnibus dogmatibus ●idelidem sentiunt : All Catholickes dispersed through out the whole world , are of one opinion in matters of faith . That n n Hills Quartern of Reasons Reason 3. Whosoever they be , or in what place or region soever they remaine in all the world , if they bee Catholickes or Papists , they haue all one saith , one heart , and one soule . But if this be true , I desire to know how it came to passe , that Iacobus A●●●ain a Doctor of Paris writ against Cardinall Caie●an ? why Soto the Spaniard writ against Ferus ▪ and Medina a Spaniard in defence of Ferus against Soto Why Guli●mius Occham our countrey-man writ against Pope Iohn 22 ? Why Nicolas de Tadisco , best knowne by the name of Abbat Panermitan , writ a booke pro Concilio Basilien si , in defence of the Councell at Basill . Why Sigebert a Monke of Gemble , writ one booke against an Epistle of Gregory 7. and another against an Epistle of Paschalis 2. Why Fisher B. of Rochester writ a booke against Iames Faber , and Marcus Grande vallis another : and why Iodochus Clychtove●s writ against Grande vallis ; and Fisher against Clyctovens . Why Alexander Carerius an Italian writ a booke de potestate Ro. Pont. adversus impios politicos . meaning such as Bellarmine . Why Turrian writ against Pighius . Why Ecchius●alled ●alled upon Taulorul : Why Catharin writ against 〈◊〉 . Why Soto writ against Catharin . Why o o The booke was printed at Rome 1593. fatente Passe vin● in apparat . sac . verb. Cornel Ians●n . Didicus Castillns writ against Iansenius . Why your Seminaries , writ so many bi●ing bookes against the Iesuites ▪ and the Iesuites so many biting bookes against your Seminaries . Proceeded these bookes from men of one faith , one heart , and one soule ? Or will you deny that they who writ them were Catholicks ? Or that the matters about which they contended were matters of faith , or bordering therevpon ? The men run vnder the name of Catholickes in all your bookes . And if the poynts about which they contended doe not concerne faith , why are they so earnest in censuring one another ? as for example , why doth Archbishop Catharin charge Cardinall Caietan with such opinions touching the Epistle to the Hebrewes , p p In his booke intitled Annota●iones f●atris Ambros . Catharini in exerpta quada . ● de commentar. Cardin. Cai●tani dogm Impress . Paris . per Colin . 1535. pag. 3. qua pijs auribus horribilia , as are horrible to be heard ; and with such opinions concerning the Sacraments , q q Pag. 154. qua nova & foeda , & ●mnino Catholic i● auribus abso●a , nec ferenda , as are new and filthy , and not fit to be heard or tolerated by Catholicks : and with such opinions concerning the pluralitie of wines , as are r r Pag. 196. prophanissiun● , most profane : and with one opinion touching mariage betweene persons of different Religion , which is s s Pag. 225. implum & irrationab●●e , both wicked and vnreasonable : and with another touching the Resurrection , which is t t Pag. 286. irrationabilis & contra Scripturam & in digna vs cadat in mentem Christianam , an vnreasonable opinion , contrary to Scripture , and vnworthy of any Christian : and with other expositions of Scripture , u u Pag. 298. 299 Qua nouum & infandum dogma introducunt , & multa falsa & incredibilia : whereon followes one new and grand paradox , besides many lesser falsities and incredul●ties . Yea , why doth Catharin charge Ca●●●an with words touching the Godhead of Christ , x x Pag. 104. quae●ani●elfe ●●orribilia & omnium sententiâ detestanda , which are apparently horrible , and by common consent to be detested ? and with another opinion , of which he saith thus , y y Pag. 106. Hanc ego procul dubio vt haereticam & detestabilem toto spiritu pronuncio , I doe with open mouth proclaime that this opinion is hereticall and detestable .

Againe , if there bee such vnitie among you , as you brag of , why forbid you a a Iudex . Clem. 8 , litera A. Mas●as Commentaries vpon Iosua ? b b Ibid. lit . D. Didacus Stella his Commentaries vpon Luke ? c c Ibid. lit. 1. Ferus Commentaries vpon Mathew and Iohn ? d d Ibid. lit . C. Claudus Espencaeus his Commentaries vpon Titus ? e e Lit. 1. Iame● Faber his Commentaries vpon the Evangelists , and S. Pauls Epistles ? Why forbid you f f Lit. B. Charanza Archbishop of Toledo his Catechisme ? Why forbid you g g Lit. A. Catharinus his two questions de verbis quibus Christus sanctissimum Eucharistiae sacramentum confecit ? Why forbid you h h Lit. B. Baptista Cremensis workes ? Why forbid you i i Ibid. Beatus Rhenanus his Scholies vpon Tertullian ; and his Epistle de primatu Petri ? Why forbid you k k Lit. O. Onus Ecclesiae ? and l l Lit. S. Stephen Gardiners booke , de vera obedientia ? Why haue you purged already m m Confer the Edition 1551. with the ●ditions 1576. and 1586. & 1610. and the truth of this will appeare . Guitmundus de Sacramento , who lived ad an. 1070 ; and n n This is confessed by Possevin in Apprat . sac . verbo , Tho. Aquin. Tho. of Aquin his summe of Divinitie , who lived ad an. 1240 ; and o o See edit. Francofurts 1581 , & compared with that An 1502. Ioh. Petrus de Ferrarijs his practica , who lived ad an. 1414 , and Bernardinus de Busti his Mariale , who liued in Sixtus 4. his dayes , about the yeare 1470 ? Why haue you purged already Cardinall Contarenus his works ? and Sir Thomas Mores workes ? and Vives his Commentaries vpon S. Austin de Civitate Dei ? Why haue you given direction for the purging of Bertram de corpore & sanguine Domini , who lived about the yeare 870 ? And for the purging of Antonius Rampegolis , or Rampelogis , p p Sixt. Senens . Bibl sanct. lib. 4. a great stickler in the Councell of Constance , An. 1414. against Iohn Huss ? and for the purging of Antonius de Rosell●s , who lived ad Ann. 1467 ? and for the purging of a speciall booke , intitled Ordo baptizandi , cum modo visitandi , printed at Venice , Ann. 157● ? In q q G●eg . Capuccin sol ▪ 186. b. Qui roga Ind. Help . verbo . Ordo bap eizands , fol 249. this booke last mentioned , your Priests were enioyned to aske these two questions of him that was sicke , Credis non proprijs meritis , sed passionis Domini nostri Iesu Christi virtute & merito ad gloriam pervenire ? Doest thou beleeue that thou shalt goe to heaven by the vertue and merit of Christs passion , and not by thine owne merits ? Credis quòd Dominus noster Iesus Christus pro nostra salute mortuus sit , & quòd ex proprijs meritis vel alio . modo nullus possit salvari , nisi in merito passionis ipsius ? Doest thou beleeue that our Lord Iesus Christ dyed for vs ? and that no man can bee saved by his owne works , or by any other meanes then by the merit of his passion ? And vpon the sick mans answering , that he beleeved so , your Priests were enioyned to tell him further , Non●e it desperandum vel dubitandum de salute illius , qui suprapositas petitiones corde crediderit , & ore confessus fuerit : There is no cause to despaire , no nor to doubt of his salvation , who beleeues with his heart and confesseth with his mouth the truth of the aboue named questions . r r Capuccinus & Quiroga locis citatis . Yet ᵗ by order from your Church , all this is to be blotted out .

Againe , if there be such vnitie among you , as you bragge of ; how ( I pray you ) comes it to passe , that f f lib. 1. de verbo Dei . cap. 10. Bellarmine holds , Tobith , Iudith , Wisdome , Ecclesiasticus , the 1 and 2 of Maccabees , to be Canonicall Scripture ? seeing Arias Montanus holds them to be Apocrypha , saying in the title page of his Interlineall Bible , printed by Plantin at Antwerp , Anno 1584. Huic Editioni accesserunt libri Gracè scripti , quo , Ecclesia Orthodoxa Hebraeorum Canonem secuta , inter Apocryphos recenset : In this Edition haue you the bookes written in Greeke ( meaning Tobith , Iudith , &c. ) which the Catholicke Church following the Hebrew Cannon , reckons among the Apocrypha . How comes it to passe , that t t Epist. ad Dorpium pro Mor●ae Eras●● . Sir Thomas More , u u Lib. 2. de verbo D●i . cap. 2. Bellarmine , and many others of you , denye that the Hebrew and the Greeke are wilfully corrupted either by Iewes or Hereticks ; seeing our x x Preface to the English Reader set before the Bible printed at Doway , Anno 1609. Dowists tell vs , that your vulgar Latin is more pure then the Hebrew or the Greeke those Editions being fouly corrupted by Iewes and Heretickes , since the Latin was truely translated out of them ? How comes it to passe , that in Spayne it runnes for currant . y y Azor. institut. moral part. 1. lib. 2. cap. 13. pag. 104. That the Crosse of Christ is to be worshipped with Latria ; and that yet in France that doctrine is not liked ? How comes it to passe , z z Navarrus ad Capus . No● it . Notab . nu 84. de Iud. that at Rome no man dare teach , That a Councell is aboue the Pope ; and that yet no man dare teach at Paris , that the Pope is aboue a Councell ? How comes it to passe , that your a a Dia●ogue between a ●●cular Priest and a lay Gen●leman , pag. 97. Iesuits in Scotland permitted the Catholicks there , to goe to Church with Protestants : and yet your Iesuites with vs in England , would not permit your Catholicks here to goe to Church with vs that are Protestants ? Do not ᵇ some of you teach , That we are iustified by the righteousnesse of Christ inherent in vs , and not imputed to vs ? and yet doe not others of you , as namely ᵉ Cardinall Contarenus , and d d Controv. 2. Albertus Pighius teach flat contrary , even that which we teach , viz. That we are iustified by Christs righteousnesse imputed to vs , not inherent in vs ? Do not e e Rhem. in Rom. 3. 28. some of you teach , that we are not iustified by faith onely ? and yet is it not confessed by f f Adver. haer . lib. 7. verbogra . haer . 3 Alfonsus de Castro , that Claudius Guillaua●us a learned Papist was of opinion , that wee are iustified by faith onely ? Doe not g g Rhem. in Rom. 8. 38. some of you teach , that no man can be sure of his salvation , without speciall revelation ? and yet did not the same h h Comment. in 2 T●m . cap vlt. conciliatione 2. Claudius Guillandius maintaine the contrary , and Catharinus too , both in and after the Councell of Trent ? i i Alfons . d Castro lo●o supra citato . Did not Michael Baius , who was one at the Councell of Trent , and Deane of the Vniversitie of Lovaine , and died in the yeare 1589. teach , Nullum est peccatum ex natura sua veniale , sed omne peccatum meretur poenam aeterna , There is no sinne which is veniall of its own nature , but every sinne deserues eternall death . And that , Omnia opera insidelium sunt peccata , & Philosophorum virtutes sunt vitia : All the actions of infidells are sinnes , and all the vertues of Philosophers , vices , And that , Liberum arbitrium sine gra●ae Dei adiu●orio , non nisi ad peccandum valet : Freewill without the helpe of Gods grace , can doe nothing but sinne . Pelagianus est error dicere , quòd liberum arbitrium valet , ad vllum peccatum vitanaum : It is a Pelagian error to say , that by the power of free-will , a man may avoid some sinne . Omne quod ●git peccator , vel servus peccati , peccatum est : All that is sinne which is done by a sinner , or by him that is servant to sinne . Ad rationem et definitionem peccati non pertinent voluntaria : It is not necessary that sinne should bee defined to bee a voluntary action . Prava desideria , quibus ratio non consentit , & qua homo invitus patitur , sunt prohibita praecepto , Non concupisces : Wicked lusts , whereunto reason giues no consent , and such as man falls into against his will , are forbidden by the commandement , Thou shalt not covet . Definitiv● haec sententia , Deum homini nihil impossibile praecepisse , falsò tribuitur Augustino , cùm Pelagij sit : This defin●tiue sentence , viz God commanded no man any impossible thing , is fa●sly fathered on S. Austin , for it was Pelagius , not S. Austins . Nemo praeter Christum est absque originali peccato , hinc beata Virgo mortua est propter peccatum ex Adam contractum omnesque eius afflictiones in hac vita , sicut & aliorum iustorum , fuerunt vltiones peccati actualis vel originalis : No person besides Christ is exempt from originall sinne ; the virgin Marie died by reason of originall sinne ; and all the afflictions which she suffred in this li●e , befel her as then befell to other good men , viz. as punishments either of actuall or originall sinne . Satisfactiones l●boriosae iustificatorum non valent expia●e de condigno poenam temporalem restantem post culpam condonatam : The painefull satisfactorie workes of such as are iustified , doe not condignely satisfie for the temporall punishment remaining after the fault pardoned . Did not ( I say ) Michael Barus your Deane of Lovayne teach these doctrines , and aboue 70 more , much like vnto these , all which are condemned by k k The Bulls are extant in Possevin . Apparat. faeverbo . Michael Ba●us . Pius 5. and Gregory 13. as partly hereticall , partly erroneous , partly suspitious , partly temerariou , partly scandalous , partly offensiue ? And are you not ashamed to brag of your vnitie ? Me thinkes your vnity is like that of the Madianites , who thrust every man his sword into the side of his fellow .

112 You brag much of the commendation that S. Paul gaue vnto the Church of Rome in his Epistle to the Romanes , and l l Rhem. Annot. before the Epistle to Roman . pag 38. say It is much to be noted . And is it not as much to be noted what commendations God by his Prophets gaue vnto Ierusalem , m m Theodoret hist lib. 9. cap. 9. the mother of all other Churches ? Is it not as much to be noted , how God by his prophets affirmed , n n 2 Chron. 6. 6. that he chose Ierusalem that his name might be there , and o o 2 Chro. 7. 16 that for euer ? How God by his prophets affirmed , p p Psal. 1 , 214. that he meant to dwell there for euer , because he had a delight therein ? q q 2 Chro. 7. 16. His eyes and his heart should be on Ierusalem , perpetually ▪ Ierusalem should be called r r Zach. 8. 3. a Citiy of truth and the mountaine of the Lord of hoasts , the holy mountaine . Doe not these commendations surpasse those which were given by Paul vnto the Church of Rome in his Epistle to the Romanes ? And if the Iewes now , haue no occasion to bragge of the commendation given to the Church of Ierusalem of olde , why should you stand so much vpon it , that S. Paul in his time , gaue commedation to the Church of Rome in his time ? May it not be , that as s s Esay 1. 21. Ierusalem , of a faithfull Citie became a harlot : so Rome , since S. Pauls time , of a virgin , is become a strumpet ? Many virgine Churches ●ost their virginitie soone , as you may see by Egesippus words recorded in t t Hist. lib. 3. cap. 32. & lib. 4. cap. 22. Ruffino ●●terprete . Eusebius . Againe , was not the Church of Corinth as much commended , if not more , by S. Paul in his Epistle written to the Corinthians , as the Church of Rome in his Epistle to the Romanes ? The u u 1 Cor. 1. 5. 7. 8 Apostle writes of the Corinthians , that they were rich in Christ , in all kind of speech , and in all knowledge , that they were not destitute of any gift : affirming further , that our Lord Iesus Christ will confirme them to the end . Which he writ not of the Romanes . Of the Romanes continuing in that fame and renown of faith , for which hee commends them , hee speakes nothing : and yet the Church of Corinth hath lost her maidenhead ; & why not Rome ? If the naturall branches , the Iews , notwithstanding all their promises : and the branches of the same Oliue-plant with the Romanes , I meane the Corinthians , notwithstanding all the commendations which S. Paul gaue them , bee cut off , be deceived : what reason haue you ; who hold of Rome , to please your selues with conceits of I know not what drie Summers , because Saint Paul commended your predecessors ?

113 You brag , that the faith which you professe at this day , is the same with that which the Apostle commended in the Romanes in his dayes ; and yet though the Apostle in his Epistle to the Romanes , wherein he commends the Rom. faith , comprehends all kinde of doctrines , and handles them very fully and exactly , as b b Prafat . Epist. ad Rom. Theodoret witnesseth , and the c c Annot. before the Epist●e to the Romanes , pag. 389. Rhemists confesse ; hee speakes nothing therein of the Popes Monarchie , of his power to iudge and determine all causes of faith , of his calling of Councells , of his Presidentship in councels , of his right to ratifie their decrees , to decide causes brought him by Appeales from all the coasts of the world : of censuring Kings , by deposing them ; and their Kingdomes , by interdicting them : he saith nothing herein of his right to bind Bishops , Metropolitans and Patriarkes with an oath to bee his faithfull subiects : to giue Church-livings and Offices to whom he list : to break the bands of all Councels with dispensations . He saith nothing of the Masse , of the reall presence , of Transubstantiation . He saith nothing of the vowes of povertie , of obedience and chastitie . He saith nothing of Images , of the Crosse , of Pilgrimages , of Iubiles , of Pardons , of Purgatorie , of praying to the dead , or for the dead . Hee saith nothing ( I say ) no not a word , not so much as in shew , for the proofe of these , or any such doctrines as these , whereon yee stand most in these dayes : but on the contrary , in many places he speakes directly against many of your now-doctrines , against many of your present positions . As for example , whereas you both in books and windowes paint God the Father in the likenesse of an old man , and d d Bellar. lib. 2. de Imag. cap. 8. defend it as lawfull : The Apostle in his Epistle to the Romanes teacheth , that it is vnlawfull , e e Ro. 1. 22 , 23. calling them fooles , who turned the glorie of the incorruptible God , to the similitude of the image of a corruptible man . Secondly , whereas f f Rhem. Annot. in Heb 11. 21 & in Apoc. 19. 10. you teach , that religious worship is due to creatures , to Angells , to men , to Images , to Crucifixes , &c. The Apostle in this Epistle g g Rom 1. 24 , 25 shewes how grievously they were punished by God , who worshipped and served the creature , forsaking the Creatour ; implying therein , that it is not lawfull to giue religious worshippe vnto creatures . Thirdly , whereas you h h Rhem. Annot. in la. 2. 21. maintaine , that the doctrine of faith onely iustifying , is an old heresie : the Apostle in this Epistle teacheth it for a Catholicke doctrine ; i i Rom. 3. 28. for we conclude ( saith he ) that a man is iustified by faith without the workes of the law ; which is all one to say , a man is iustified by faith onely . Fourthly , whereas m m Rhem. A●●ot . in Rom. 5. 14. you teach , that the virgin Mary was free from originall sinne ; the Apostle in n n Rom. 5. 12. this Epistle writes , that in Adam all men ( and by consequent the virgin Mary ) sinned ; what exception haue wee but Christ ? Fifthly , whereas o o Rhem. Annot. in Rom. 1. 31. you teach , that some sinnes are veniall , that is , pardonable of their owne nature , and not worthy of damnation : the Apostle in this Epistle teacheth contrary , p p Rom. 6. 23. saying , The wages of sinne ( meaning every sinne ) is death . Sixthly , whereas q q Rhem Annot. in Rom. 6. 23. you teach , that everlasting life is a stipend : the Apostle in this Epistle teacheth it is a gift , The gift of God is eternall life , r r Rom. 6. 23. saith the Apostle . Seventhly , whereas s s Rhem. Annot in Rom. 1. 7 , 8. you teach , that concupiscence is no sinne ; and besides , t t Non licet nobis it a loqui , &c. Posse●in . Apparat . sac . verbo : Patres antiqui . that we may not safely call it sinne : the Apostle in this Epistle , u u ldem ibid. by your owne mens confession , x x Rom 6. 12. calls it sinne . Eightly , whereas y y Censura Cole● . dial. 3. you account it heresie to teach , that a iustified man cannot keepe the whole Law : the Apostle in this Epistle stands guiltie of this heresie , for speaking in the person of a iustified man , To will is present with me , z z Rom. 7. 18 , 19. saith he , but I finde no meanes to performe that which is good : for I doe not the good thing which I would , but the evill which I would not , that doe I. Ninthly , whereas a a Rhem. Annot. in Heb. 13. 16. & 1 Cor. 3. 8. you teach , that good workes be meritorious , even so meritorious , that the ioyes of heaven are a thing equally and iustly answering to the time and weight of our workes : the Apostle in this Epistle teacheth , b b Rom. 8. 18. that the afflictions of this present time are not worthy of the glory which shall bee shewed vnto v● . Tenthly , whereas c c Rhem Annot. in 1 Cor. 9. 27. you crie out against the certaintie of faith , calling it an vnhappie securitie , presumption , and a faithlesse perswasion : the Apostle in d d Rom. 4. 20. this Epistle commends the faith that is free from doubting , e e Rom. 8. 38 , 39 professing that he was assured , Neither life , nor death , nor any creature , was able to separate him from the loue of God which is in Christ Iesus our Lord . Eleventhly , whereas f f Antonin . sum . Theol. part. 3 tit. 13. cap. 6 sect. 16. you teach , that Christ is vpon every of your Altars : the Apostle in g g Rom. 8. 34. this Epistle teacheth , that since his rising he is at the right hand of God . Twelfthly , wheras h h Rhem an Act 10. 2. you teach , that workes done before iustification , deserue of congruitie at Gods hands the grace of iustification : the Apostle in this Epistle teacheth flat contrary , i i Rom. 8. 7 , 8. saying , The wisdome of the flesh , ( that is , a man vniustified ) cannot please God . Thirteenthly , whereas k k Extra de maiorit . et ●bid . vnam sanctam . you teach , that every creature must be subiect to the Pope , & that the Pope is subiect to none : the Apostle in this Epistle q q Rom. 13. exhorteth euery creature to be subiect to the higher powers , meaning by the higher powers ( as the r r Agnoscente Bellar. lib. 3. de . Lai●● , cap. 3. circumstances shew ) the civill Magistrates , and not the Pope . Fourteenthly , whereas you s s Bonisac . 8. in c. quanquam de ●ersibus in b. teach , that the Clergie is and ought to bee free from whatsoever impositions of the civill Magistrate , and that by the lawes of God and man : the Apostle in this Epistle t t Rom. 13. 7. perswades every Creature , the Clergie as well as the Laitie , to pay tribute & custome to the civill Magistrate . Fifteenthly , whereas y y Rabadineira de vita Ignatij Loiola , lib. 5 cap. 4. you teach , that inferiours must doe whatsoever superiours command them , though it be against their consciences , vnlesse they haue plain reason for their refusall : the Apostle in this Epistle requires , z z Rom. 14. 5. that men be fully perswaded in their mindes of the lawfulnesse of that which they doe ; meaning they should not onely forbeare the doing of that which went against their consciences , but whereof they doubted in their iudgements . Lastly , whereas a a Rhem. in Rom. 14. 23. you teach , that some actions onely of the Infidells are sinnes : the Apostle in this Epistle affirmes , that all the actions of the Infidells are sinnes , saying , b b Rom. 14. 23. Whatsoever is not of faith , is sinne . Now that which I desire to know , is , why the Apostle ( if the faith of our Romish Church now , be the same that it was then when hee writ to the Romanes ) spake nothing of the principall points of your now-faith ; but many things for vs , and against you ?

Your a a Confess . Petviko●ia , cap. 48. de sacram . Paenitent●e , fol. 127. Cardinall Hosius , to proue satisfaction , alledgeth these as the words of Saint Paul , Rom. 6. Exhibeamus membra nostra servire institiae in satisfactione : Let vs exhibite our members to serue iustice vnto satisfaction . And your b b Ans. to Iuels Apology , par. ● . cap. 16. fol. 117. Doctor Harding for proofe of the same point , alledgeth these as the words of S. Paul , 2 Cor. 7. Let vs cleanse our selues from all filthinesse of the flesh and spirit , making perfect our satisfaction in the feare of God . Both of them putting the word satisfaction in place of the word sanctification , vsed by the Apostle . Was there any great sanctitie shewed by them in this ? or rather , are they not bound to make satisfaction vnto the Apostle for this their bad dealing , thinke you ?

Your Bishop Gardiner ( c c D. Fulk in his defence of Translations against Martin , Answ. to the preface , nu. 4. some say ) to proue the carnall presence which you maintaine against the truth and vs , alledgeth these as the words of the 110. Psalme , Escam se dedit timentibus cum , He gaue himselfe for meare to them that feared him . Was ● ere any feare of God in your Bishop to adde the word se , himselfe , of himselfe to the text , thinke you ?

Your d d lib. de Imag. cap. 12. Cardinall Bellarmine , to proue that holy things may be religiously worshipped , alledgeth th●se as the words of God , Exod. 12. 16. Dies prima eri sancta , & septima eadem religione venerabilis : The first day shall be holy , and the seventh day with li●●e religion shall be venerable ; descanting vpon them thus , Hic vides pro eodem ac●ipi rem sanctam , & religiose venerabitem , yet the word religiose is not in the text , but the word festiustate . Now I pray you , was it not irreligiously done of your Cardinall , to chop into the Text the word religiously falsly ?

Your e e Epist. ad Alboinum de Caelibacu Eccles. Col. 75. qu●● hab●tur ad finem , To 2 defer . Bell. per Gretserum . Bernaltus a Priest of Constance , writing in defence of Gregory 7. his prohibition of Priests mariage , affirmes , that S. Peter commanded even the Laitie ( 1. Pet. 3. ) vt parcant vxoribus suis , ne impediantur orationes earum , that they should forbeare companying with their wiues , lest their prayers should be interrupted : whereas in Saint Peter there are no such wordes as vt parcant vxoribus , they should forbeare companying with their wiues . Did not this Priest of yours deserue to be accompanyed with whores , who forged this Text to proue , that a man may not keepe company with his wife ?

Your g g Lib. supra cit. cap. 58 de spe & orat . fol. 189. Cardinall Hosius , and your h h Loc. com . lib. 7. cap. 3. fol , 232. Bishop Canus , in way of prooving that wee may beleeue in Saints , alledge the words of Saint Paul to Philemon , Gratias ag● Deo meo , audiens fidem quam habes in Domin● nostro , & in omnes Sanctes : I giue thanks to my God , hearing of the faith which thou hast in the Lord Iesus , and in all Saints ; leaving out the word charitatem , loue or charitie , which the Apostle coupled with the word fidem , faith : meaning , loue or charitie should be referred to the Saints , as the obiect of it ; and the word faith to the Lord Iesus , as his obiect . Was there any loue or charitie in these towards the Apostle , who suppressed the mention of that loue towards the Saints , which he commended in Philemon ? or is it safe , I do not say to beleeue in , but to beleeue such saints as these , who cite the Scriptures so divel-like , leaving out , as the divel did Math. 4. what made against him ?

Your i i Sess. 11. To. 4. Conc. Edit. Binniana , pag. 639. pope Leo 10. affirmed in the Councell of Lateran , that Christ ordained Peter and Peters successors to be his Vicars ; who by the testimonie of the booke of Kings , must needes be so obeyed , that he who obeys them not , must dye the death . In what booke of Kings , I pray you , find you this ? for there is no such testimonie in those bookes of the Kings which are in my Bible .

Your k k Lib. 1. de Parg. cap. 3. Cardinall Bellarmine ( to returne to him againe ) in way of prooving Purgatorie , alledgeth these as the words of the Prophet Esa , Chap. 4. 4. Purgabit Dominus sordes filiorum & filiarum Sion , & sanguinem emundabit de medio eorum , spiritu iudicij & combustionis : Our Lord shall purge away the filthinesse of the sonnes and daughters of Sion , and shall wipe away the blood from the midst of them with the spirit of iudgement and burning . Yet in the vulgar Latin ( which he is bound by oath to follow ) the words lie thus ; Si abluerit Dominus sordes filiorum & filiarum Sion , & sanguinem Ierusalem lauerit de medio eius in spiritu ardoris & iudicij . Why ( I pray you ) did he change the word abluerit into purgabit , and the word lauerit into emundabit , and the word ardoris into combustionis ? was it not for that the words abluerit and laverit and ardoris , suite not so well with fire , which you maintaine to be found in Purgatorie ; as the words purgabit , emundabit and Combustionis doe ? or what else was the cause that he varied from his Text ? And how can you excuse him from periurie ?

This same l l Lib. 4. de Christ . cap 11. Cardinall of yours , in way of proving that Christ brought soules out of Purgatorie when he descended thither ( as you dreame ) after his death , alledgeth these as the wordes of Zacharie , Chap. 9. 11. Tu autem in sanguine testamenti tui eduxisti vinctos tuos de lacu in quo non est aqua : But thou by the blood of thy testament hast brought out thy prisoners out of the Lake wherein there is no water . Yet in the vulgar Latin it is not eduxisti , hast brought forth , but emisisti , hast sent forth : which will not afford the like conclusion .

Againe , this m m Lib. 2. de Iustif . cap 3. Cardinall of yours , to proue that inherent righteousnesse is the formall cause of our iustification , alledgeth these as the words of S. Paul , Tit. 3. 5. Cùm apparuit benignitas & humanit as Saluatoris nostri Dei , non ex operibus quae fecimus nos , sed secundùm suam misericerdiam saluos nos fecit , &c. When the bountifulnesse and loue of God our Saviour appeared , not by the workes which we had done , but according to his mercy hee saved vs , &c. Yet the Apostle saith not barely , Not by the works which wee had done ; but , Not by the works of righteousnes which we had done : excluding our good works , our inherent righteousnesse from iustification . And your Cardinall vnrighteously leaues out the word righteousnesse .

Your Vicar generall to the Archbishop of Bononia , called a a De maiessate militantis Eccles. l. 1. de Patriarch &c. par. 1. cap. 8. p. 227. edit. Vinet . 16 ● 2. Isidorus Mosconius , to proue that all Bishops owe extraordinarie obedience to your Pope , alledgeth these as the words of Cyprian , lib. 4. Epist. 9. Episcopi , vtì qui Apostolicae ordinationi subiacent , etiamei hanc reuerentiam debent , vt singulis annis Apostolorum liminibus sese repraesentent : Bishops as persons subiect to Apostolicall Ordination , owe this reverence to the Pope , that every yeare they visit Rome . But I cannot finde this in any edition of Cyprian .

b b De Tradit . part. 3. tit . de cultis Sanct. fol. 197. Bishop Peresius , and the c c Antidagma Co'on . tit. de Invocat. sanct. fol. 36. b. Praebendaries of Colen , to proue Invocation of Saints , alledge these as the words of S. Austin , de Ciuitate Dei , lib. 22. Hoc vsu ab initio traditum tenemus , vt extra orationes quae in altari fiunt , etiam Deo dilectos sanctos , contemplatione ●vnionis & communionis , quam cum Christo & nobiscum habent , cum timore & deuotione erga Deum compellemus , at que vt pro nobis intercedant invocemus . But I cannot find this in any Edition of S. Austin .

Your d d Lib. 2. s●nt . d. 11 a. Peter Lombard to proue that every man hath a good Angell to protect him , and an evill . Angell to tempt him , alledgeth these as the words of Gregory , Quòd quisque bonum Angelum sibi ad custodiam deputatum , & vnum malum ad exercitium habet . But I can finde no such words in any Gregories workes , not in Naztau●●● , not in Nyssenus , not in Gregorie the Great .

Your e e Ta. 2. de Satraemen . cap. 83. Wildensis disputing about Transubstantiation , alledgeth these as the words of f f Lib 2. de corp●re & sanguius Domint . Austin , Nec credendum est quòd substantia panit vel vint remanent , sed panis in corpus Christi , & vinum in sanguinem convertitur , 〈◊〉 qualitatibus panis & vtni remanentibus : Neither must wee beleeue that the substance of bread and winer emaineth , but the bread is turned into the bodie of Christ , and the wine into his blood , the qualities of bread and wine remaining onely . But I can neither find such words , nor any such Treatise among S. Austins workes .

The same g g To. 2. de Sacra . cap. 22. waldensis prosecuting the same argument , alledgeth these as the words of Eeda in a Treatise de mysterijs Miss●e : Ibi forma panis videtur , vbi substantia panis non est : There the forme of bread appeareth , where the substance of bread is not . But I can neither finde these words , nor any such Treatise among Bedaes workes .

Your h h lib. 1 de Purg cap. 6. Cardinall Bellarmine , for proofe of Purgatorie , alledgeth these words of S. Austin , de Civitate Dei , lib. 21. cap. 24. Talei constat ante iudicij diem per poenas temporales , quas eorum spiritus patinntur , purgatos , aterni ignis supplicijs non tradendos : It is certaine that such men being purged with temporall paines which their soules suffer before the day of iudgement , shall not be committed to the torment of everlasting fire ▪ But there are no such words to be found in the printed copre at Fr●b●rge Ann. 1494. nor in that of Antwerp , 1576 , nor in that of Paris 1586. nor in that of Basil. 1596. nor in any written copie that I can heare of , either in the Vniuersitie Libratie at Oxford , or elsewhere .

Your m m Pro●miall Annot before the Bible transla●ed by them into English , printed 1609. Dowists to proue Tobith Iudith , &c. Canonicall , alledge Council . Florent : Instruct . Armen . Decret. 7. But there is no such Decree to be found in any Edition of the Councels .

n n Lib. de Ro. Pon● . part. 1. cap. 1. pag 23. Isiedorus Mosconius the Vicar generall spoken of before , to set out the greatnesse of his Pope , tels vs in sober sadnesse , that in Gonc . Nic and , tempore Constant . mag . fuit terminatum , quòd soli Rom. Pont. nomen Pater patium competeret , & Papa nomen alijs non con●t●ir● : It was decreed in the Councell of Nice , in the dayes of Constantine the great , that the title Father of Fathers , should be given to the Bishop of Rome only , and that no man should be called Pope but he . Yet there is no such Decree to be found in any Edition of the Councels .

The same o o Ibid. pag. 23. Monsieur , handling the same Argument , tels vs ▪ that In Concil. Africae legitur , quòd to nomine Principis Sacerdotum solumm , aò Papa vteretur : It is read in one of the Councels in Africa , that the Pope onely should be called Prince of Priests . Yet there is no such thing to be seene in any of the Councels of Africa , which are in any Editions of the Councels .

Your p p Opuscul . contra cr●●tes G●●c●ram . S. The of Aquin , to proue that your Pope hath an vniuersall Soveraigntie over the whole Church of Christ , affirmes , that in the Councell of Chalcedon it was decreed thus , si quis Episcopus pradicatur infom●s , liberum habeat potestatem appellandi ad 〈◊〉 Episcop●●●ntiqu●e Rome , quia habr●●us 〈…〉 loco Dei sit ius discernendi Episcopi triminati inf●miam , secundum claues à Domino sibi d●tas : If any Bishop be defamed , let him appeale freely to the Bishop of Rome , because we haue Peter for a father of refuge , and hee alone hath right with freedome of power in the stead of God to iudge and trie the crime of a Bishop defamed , according to the keyes which the Lord did giue him . But there is no such to be found in the Councell of Chalcedon , in any Edition of the Councels .

This q q In 4. sent. d. 24. Act. 2. q. 3. Saint of yours , to proue that one Bishop is subiect to another Bishop , etiam iure di●in● , by Gods law , alledgeth these as the words of one of the Councels kept at Constantinople , Veneramur secundùm Scripturas &c. sanctissimum antiquae Romae Episcopum primum esse & maximum Episcopor●m : Wee define , according to the Scriptures , that the most holy Bishop of Rome shall be the first and greatest of all Bishops . But that any Councell of Constantinople did define , that by Scripture the Bishop of Rome was the greatest of all Bishops , it is not to be found in any Edition of the Councels .

Your r r Lib. 1. de Conc. cap. 19. & lib. 2. cap. 11. Cardinall Bellarmine , to proue that your Popes Legats sate as Iudges in the generall Councel of Chalcedon , tells vs that Ipsi sententiam definitiuam proferunt in Dioscorum nomine Papae & totius Concilij Act. 3. his verbis , Sanctissimu●●c beatissimus Papa caput vniversalis Ecclesiae ▪ Leo , per nos Legatos suos sanct a Synodo consentiente , Petri Apostoli praeditus dignitate , qui Ecclesiae fundamentum , & petra fidei , & coelestis regni Ianitor nuncupatur , Episcopali dignitate Dioscorum nudauit , & ab omni sacerdotali opere fecit extorrem . They in the name of the Pope and the Councell , delivered the definitiue sentence against Dioscorus , even in these words , Action 3. The most holy and blessed Pope Leo head of the vniversall Church , by vs his Legats , with the consent of the holy Councel , being endowed with Saints Peters power , ( who is called the foundation of the Church , and rocke of faith , the Porter of heaven gates , ) hath deposed Dioscorus from his Bishoppricke , and restrained him from all priestly functions . Yet there is no such definitiue sentence to be seene in any action of the Councel of Chalcedone , wherein Leo is called Head of the Vniversall Church , or said to bee indowed with Saint Peters power ; or wherein Peter himselfe is called the foundation of the Church , or Porter of heaven gate .

Cardinall Bellarmine alledgeth the Councell of Chalcedon , to proue a a lib. 2 de Rom. Pont Cap. 13. the Popes Monarchy in generall : and in particular he alledgeth it , to proue , b b lib. 2. de Conc. Cap. 16. That the Pope is head of the whole Church ; and , c c Cap 17. aboue generall Councells , &c. Yet hee himselfe knew well enough , d d Lib. 2 de Rom. Pont. Cap. 18. That the Councell made a Canon , for the advancing of the Bishop of Constantinople , contrary to the Popes liking : and that the Bishops thereat would not revoke it , though his Legates laboured it earnestly ; yea , and he himselfe also . Now I desire to know , whether it be credible , that Bellarmine could indeede bee perswaded , that that Councell held the Bishop of Rome to be an abso●ute Monarch , the head of the whole Church , a●boue generall Councells , &c. which stood at defiance with the Pope : passing a Canon , contrary to his liking ? and maintaining it against him , notwithstanding all that he could doe to repeale it . In my conscience , Bellarmine contrary to his conscience , alledged the Councell of Chalcedon wittingly falsly , for the Popes supremacie .

The same Cardinall alledgeth Cyprian to proue , e e Lib. 2 de Rom. Pont. Cap. 16. the Popes Monarchy : and that f f Lib 1. de Conc. Cap. ●1 . he is Iudge of all Controversies : and g g Lib. 4. de Not. Ecclesiae , Cap , 10. that the whole brotherhood of Christians is to yeeld obedience to him : and that the ancient Fathers held it alway a note of the true Church to liue in friendship with him : and h h Lib. 4. de Rom. Pont. Cap. 4. that the Church of Rome cannot erre . Yet he himselfe knew well enough , that i i Lib. 2. de Conc. though Cornelius Bishop of Rome with a Synod of all the Italian Bishops decreed : k Lib. 4 de Rom. Pout . Cup. 7. That such as had beene baptized by Heretikes , should not be rebaptized : and that Pope Stephen decreed the same afterward : requiring the observation of it vpon paine of excommunication : yet Cyprian held the contrary , and defended his opinion stiffely , charging Stephen with errour , pernicious errour therein ; giving him many disgracefull words , such as , proud fellow , and peevish ; making no reckning of his threatnings , nor yeelding to him so much as an hayre breadth . Now I desire to know , how Bellarmine could thinke it probable , that hee who tooke vp his Pope so roundly , and vilified him so bluntly , & esteemed of him so lightly , could be perswaded , that the Pope was absolute Monarch , an infallible Iudge of all Controversies : such a one , to whom all Christians should cap and crouch : and with whom they should liue in loue . And if the Church of Rome could not erre , I am more then halfe affraid , that Bellarmine knew his testimonies to bee wrested : that in fighting against vs , he fought against his owne conscience likewise .

It is acknowledged by Papists , that l l Suarez . in 3. part . Tho. q. 59. Art. 6 ▪ sect. 6. Qui opinantur animas hominum non iudicari in morte , nec praemium , nec poenam recipi , sed reservari in abditis locis vsque ad iudicium vniversale ; consequentrer dicunt , eas non purgari donec facta est generalis resurrectio . They who are of opinion , that the soules of men receiue not iudgement of good , or evill , at the time of their death ; but are reserved in hidden places to the day of doome : must by necessary consequent be of opinion , that such soules are not purged before the day of doome : and by a second consequent , they cannot hold popish purgatorie . Yet Cardinall Bellarmine , who m m Lib. 1. de sanct. beatit . Cap. 1. knew well enough , that Tertullian was one of them who held , that all the soules of the iust are sequested in a by-place till the day of doome , where they neither see God , nor enioy blessednesse : n n Lib. 1. de purg . Cap. 6. alledgeth Tertullian for proofe of popish purgatorie : and though he o o Lib. 1. de sanct. beatit . cap. 1. & 5. knew likewise that Lactantius was one of them who thought , that the soules both of iust and vniust are in one place till the day of doome : yet p p Lib. 1. de Purgat . cap 6. hee alledgeth him also for proofe of his popish purgatorie : Yea he alledgeth Origen for his purgatorie , q q Ibid. though he himselfe r r Lib. 2. de Purgat . cap. 1. knew , that Origens purgatorie was for good and bad ; out of which the bad , as well as the good , should passe in tract of time into heaven : whereas bad men goe not to popish purgatorie , but to hell directly , out of which there is no redemption . Now I would gladly know whether in these allegations Bellarmines hand and heart went together : or disagreed rather , as harpe and harrow .

Seeing by the Church is meant the whole companie of faithfull peoople : I desire to know , why the Papists in their common talke s s Ecclesia significat principaliter Congregationem vniversalem fidelium , et inde dicitur Catholica : i. vniversalis , nomen tamen istud vulgaris vsus restrinxit ad ▪ Clerum . Gerson 3. parte operum de Relig. profectione . did appropriate it vnto the Clergie onely : And seeing in their common talke they did appropriate it vnto their Clergie onely , I desire to know , why t t R●em Annot. marg. Eph. 5. 23. they should be angrie with William Tyndall ▪ for that in his translation of the Bible , he translated the Latine word Ecclesia , not Church , but Congregation ? They having beguiled the people , and brought them into ignorance of the word , making them to vnderstand by it , nothing but the shaven-flocke : was there not reason u u See Tindill in his Answere to Sir Tho. Mores Dialogues , Anno 1530. that he should avoid that word , and vse another equivalent to it ?

By Scripture , any man professing Christian Religion , may be accounted Religious . And why then doe you Papists appropriate the name Religious to your votaries onely ? x x Alciat . Comment. in Cod. Iustin . de summa Trinitat et fide Cathol. Why are not you ashamed to say , Per summum abusum quilibet Christianus dicitur Religiosus : It is a great abuse to call every Christian by the name Religious ?

Seeing the word spirituall , is given in Scripture to all who haue the Spirit of God , as namely , 1 Cor. 15. & 3. 1. why haue you popish Priests appropriated that vnto your selues , ? Why should you onely , and not the rest of Gods people , be called spirituall men ?

Seeing Lands and Living are expressely called by the Apostle carnall things : as namely , 1 Cor. 9. 11. & Rom. 15. 17. How comes it to passe , that the Lands and Livings belonging to Monkes and Friers , are ordinarily called spirituall things ?

You haue a new Gamester , who hath y y Anno 162● , lately set vs out a ᶻ diminitiue book , x x in 32. with this inscription : The Gagge of the new Gospell , containing a briefe abridgement of the errours of the Protestants of our times , with their refutation by expresse texts of their owne English Bible : with this Motto subscribed , By thine owne mouth I iudge thee noughty servant , Luke 19. 22. Now the first errour where withall this youth chargeth vs , is : That we maintaine , the Scriptures are easie to be vnderstood . And yet hee himselfe in his preface to the Catholike Reader , Pag. 7. would make his Reader beleeue , That our condemnation i● so expressely set downe in our owne Bibles , and is so cleare to all the world , that nothing more needes thereto , but onely that he know to reade , and to haue his eyes in his head at the opening of our Bible . Which argues plainly , that even in his opinion , The Scriptures are easie to be vnderstood : otherwise , besides knowledge to reade , and the having of his eyes in his head when he readeth , it were requisite he should haue his wits about him ▪ And may I not therefore say to him , Thou art in excusable ê m●n , whosoever thou art that iudgest , Rom. 2. 1. for in that thou iudgest another , thou iudgest thy selfe , for thou that iudgest doest the same things ? Let him cleare himselfe , or rather confesse his foolerie in this , and ere long I will doe him the favour to set before his eyes his fopperie in the rest .

FINIS .
Here followeth the Letter of an vnknowne Priest , remaining in London , sent to the Authour , excepting against fiue points in this booke . To Mr. Alexander Cooke at Leeds in York-shire .

MAster COOKE , with the like desire of your spirituall good , as of mine owne , I addresse this briefe letter vnto you , in stead of larger answere to your booke now twice augmented : which in the first Impression you call : Worke for a Masse-priest : in the second , More Worke for a Masse-priest : and in the third , Yet more Worke for a Masse-priest . All which sheweth your zeale against the Romane Church , against the Sacrifice of Masse , and all the Romane Catholicke religion : but neither disproueth the same which you so hate , nor proveth your contrary opinions to bee grounded in truth . Neither doe you herein obserue any forme or good method of doctrine , whereby to discusse which is the true Church of Christ , what assurance of truth it hath , nor how necessarie it is , that every one , which desireth to bee saved , must bee a living member thereof : and therefore no marvell that no Catholike hath hitherto bestowed labour and cost to answere in print your confused triviall obiections . Which of how little importance they are , and vpon how silly surmises , you impute errours to the Catholike Religion , may sufficiently be conceived by examination of a few of them : For example , all proceeding from one spirit . See then , deare Sir , your faults committed in your first obiections ; and so I shall suppose you will be as loath to haue the rest discussed , as I hold it superfluous to proceede further in confuting them .

First , our noble King reporteth ( say you ) that his mother sent word to the Archbishop who did baptize him , to forbeare to vse spittle in his baptisme ; for she would not haue a pockie Priest to spit in her childes mouth . Marke , I pray you , foure manifest vntruths in these words . For His Maiestie could not , at the time of his baptisme , know what message his mother sent to any man , but onely hath heard since what some other hath reported : therefore it is a manifest vntruth to say , His Maiestie reporteth that , which he cannot , and therefore doth not report .

Secondly , it is incredible that the Catholicke Queene would forbid the ceremonie of spittle , which holy Church vseth .

Thirdly , it is doubtlesse a wicked lie , to say , that she called the Archbishop a pockie Priest .

Fourthly , she could not say , and consequently would not say , that the Priest spitteth into the childes mouth . For the spittle is not spit into the childs mouth , but is gently put to his mouth with the Priests finger ; which ceremonie holy Church vseth , amongst others , by imitation of Christs example , putting spittle and dust vpon a blind mans eyes , and putting his finger into the eares , and touching the tongue of a deafe and dumbe man whom hee cured .

To these foure , you adde three more vntruths in your first obiection , against the worthy Cardinall Bellarmine : first , you vntruly translate his wordes , where hee saith : Non est verum , eâ ceremoniâ salivam Presbyteri in os infantuli inspui : which words in true English are these : It is not true , that by that ceremonie the Priests spittle is spit into the childes mouth : for which you would make him to say thus : It is not true , that the Priests spittle vsed in Baptisme is put into the childes mouth .

Secondly , you vntruly charge him to denie that spittle is put into a childes mouth , for he denieth it not to be put , but to be spit into the mouth of the baptized .

Thirdly , you vntruly conclude that the Cardinall calleth his Maiesties report into question , which he doth not , but their report that told his Maiestie so incredible a thing .

In your next obiection you vntruly charge the same renowned Cardinall Bellarmine to contradict both our noble King , and Pope Pius Quintus . For neither doth hee name our King in those words which●your selfe here cite , saying onely in generall : Non est verum , nomen Cardinalis ademptum alijs , & solis Romanis reservatum : It is not true that the name of Cardinall is taken from others , and reserved onely to Romanes . Neither doth he contradict the Popes decree , the tenure whereof declareth , that the eminent and proper title of Cardinall belongeth to the onely Cardinalls Colledge of Rome , and not to any other Church . Neverthelesse , the name Cardinall in a lesse dignitie , and lesse autoritie , is given to other Ecclesiasticall persons in the Church of Toledo : whose Archbishop , & also the Archbishop of Compostella , are ordinarily Cardinalls of Rome .

In your third obiection you charge the same gracious Cardinall with a lie , for saying : Nefas est apud Protestantes quenquam creari Episcopum , nisi vnius saltem vxoris virum : which hee reporteth as their generall practise according to their common doctrine , not allowing the vow and obligation of single life . And albeit some of your Bishops doe not marrie , yet they doe not binde themselues from marrying . And the farre greater part haue taken wiues , the rest hold it vnlawfull to vow perpetuall chastitie .

In your fourth , you charge all Catholickes with vntruth , for saying , that all the Apostles were continent from their wiues , after they followed Christ ; which is clearely gathered by our Saviours wordes , naming wiues amongst other things , which his Apostles had left for his sake . Against which cleare testimonie you oppose improbabilitie , as you imagine , that Saint Peters daughter could not bee beautifull at the age of sixty eight yeares , to wit , in the ninety eight yeare of Christ . But perhaps there is an errour in the number , and for ninety eight should haue beene written the sixty eighth yeare of our Lord : and then shee was but thirie eight yeares of age . Also she might be faire and beautifull at sixty eight yeares of age , which is more reasonable to be supposed then to denie the plaine assertion of the Gospell , Mat. 19. 27 ▪ that the Apostles left all things for Christs service , and namely their wiues . By the way also obserue , that Saint Peters daughter dwelt & died in Rome , where Count Flaccus a Roman desired to marry her ; which is a signe of Saint Peters residing there sometimes , besides many more euident proofes and monuments testifying the same .

In your fifth obiection you would proue that all notable Bishops did not liue continent from their wiues whom they had married before Priesthood , by the words of Saint Gregorie Nazianzen , bringing in his father in a verse , saying thus vnto him : Nondum tot anni sunt tui , quotiam in sacris mihi peracti sunt victimis ; Thou hast not yet so many yeares as are passed with me in holy sacrifices . Which must either bee vnderstood in some other sense , then of the yeares of Saint Gregories age , or else it should be contrary to his cleare affirmation , saying in his funerall oration , that himselfe was borne before his father was either Priest or baptized . And so being reasonable to interprete his verse by his proofe , this instance will not serue your turne . But it sheweth evidently , that his father was a sacrificing Priest . And such are Masse-priests whom you so contemne , because we offer the holie sacrifice of Masse .

And this may suffice to shew by example of your fiue first obiections how feeble and frivolous the rest also are . And therefore Masse priests are imployed in better workes then to lose good time in answering your idle questions : And your selfe may be better occupied in seeking the true Church , and the infallible authoritie thereof , and so returning into the same , may saue your soule , which I wish you to doe with all my hears . From London this Feast of Corpus Christi . 1623.

Yours to serue you in Iesus Christ , Th. Bl. a Masse-priest .
Now come wee to the answere of the said letter , returned vnto the Priest within twelue dayes after the receipt thereof .

SIR Masse-priest , I received the letter which you ( as you phrase it ) addressed vnto mee , in stead o● larger answere vnto a booke of mine , intitled : Yet more Worke for a Masse-priest . In which letter you taxe me in generall , with confusion of matter , with want of forme and good Method ; with proposing feeble , and frivolous , and triviall obiections , and idle questions ; with imputing errours to your Catholike Religion vpon silly surmises ; with failing in proofe of my owne opinions , and disprooving yours : All which I passe over as words of Course , holding opinion ; That generall and naked accusations of adversaries , deserue not so much as generall and naked denialls : the rather , for that you show a great deale of simplicitie , and ignorance , in the particulars , wherein you vndertake to let me see my faults committed : for I take it no breach of charitie , to thinke , that he hath nothing to say for proofe of his generall assertions , who saith nothing to purpose for proofe o● his speciall .

Now that you haue nothing to say to purpose for proofe of your speciall accusations against mee , I doubt not to make it plaine to your owne selfe , though forestalled with preiudice . For thus at the first rush you bring me in saying : Our Noble King reports , that his mother sent word to the Archbishop who did baptize him , to forbeare to vse spittle in his Baptisme , for she would not haue a pockie Priest to spit in her childes mouth . And presently you crie : Marke , I pray you , foure mainfest vntruthes in these wordes : yet the proofes you make thereof are ridiculous : for in way of proving the first , thus you argue ; His Maiestie could not at the time of his Baptisme know what Message his Mother sent to any man , but onely hath heard since what some other hath reported . Therefore it is a manifest vntruth to say , His Maiestie reporteth , His mother sent word to the Archbishop , &c.

Which Argument of yours is brainelesse ; for it presupposeth , that no man can report any thing from the report of another . No man can report any thing which was done about the time of his Birth , and Baptisme ; much lesse before he was baptized , and borne . If this Argument of yours bee good , I cannot report what lascivious talke passed betweene an English woman , and Aeneas Sylvius ( who not long after was poped , and called by the name of Pius 2. ) in an Inne at Strawsburgh , where they casually met : I cannot report , how he wished her , when shee went to bed , to leaue her chamber doore vnbolted , promising hee would come and lie with her , as indeede he did : she proving with childe vpon that nights meeting : I cannot report , that this Aeneas Sylvius committed the bringing vp of that child thus begotten , to his father , wondring that his father was not glad , that by it ( though got in whoring ) he was made a grandfather : for at the time of my Baptisme , I knew no more of this , then his Maiestie at the time of his Baptisme knew what Message his Mother sent to any man . Only I haue heard since , what some other , or rather , what Aeneas Sylvius himselfe hath a a Epist. 15 Genitori de suo filio , inter opera Sylvij , impress . Basil . pag. 510 , 511. written hereof .

At the time of my Baptisme , I knew not that any man had written , b b Ioh. Raulins ser. 31. de poeni . tentia , impress . Paris . 1514. Qui sunt Romae , et prope loca in quibus habentur magnae Indulgentiae , & vbi sunt mag●●a peregrinagia , quia prope remedia habent , communiter sunt pessimi : That they who dwell at Rome , and neere vnto such places where large Indulgences are granted , & whereunto there is greatest resort of Pilgrims , are commonly the worst people , because they haue so present remedies . I knew not at the time of my Baptisme , that any man had written , c c Molinaeus teste Gregorio Capuccino in Enchirid. Eccles. impress . Venetij ▪ 1588. Quàm periculosum Principi habere Consiliarios Papisticos : It is very dangerous for Princes , to haue popish Counsellours . I knew not then that any was so evill conceited of the Romanes , that they should write , d d Salvianus Massil . Episcopus de gubernat . Dei lib. 6. Vbi Romani , ibi vitia : where Romanes come , there is roguerie enough . Onely since I haue heard , or rather read so much in others . And therefore if your Logicke be good , I cannot report these things : hee , who ( though I told them ) should say , I did report them , should say a manifest vntruth . But if this be a grosse conceit ( as doubtlesse it is ) you must acknowledge you did me wrong , yea your selfe wrong , in charging me with vntruth : for saying , Our Noble King reporteth , &c. though he knew not at the time of his Baptisme what Message she sent to any man , &c. for therin you belied me , and bewrayed much weaknesse in arguing .

But perhaps you haue quit your selfe better in proving the second vntruth wherwithall you charge me .

Truly never a whit : for you gather the vntruth wherewith you charge me , from those words , wherin I report from our Noble King , That his Mother forbad the vse of spittle in Baptisme : and your onely reason to convince me of vntruth therein is , for that ( as you say ) it is incredible the Catholicke Queen would forbid the Ceremonie of spittle which holy Church vseth . Which answer first presupposeth , that he is chargeable with vntruth , who reports any vntruth from another : else how can I bee charged with vntruth , who am the reporter onely from another man what was said ? Secondly , this presupposeth , that holy Church vseth to put spittle into their mouthes who are baptized : else , why should the practise of holy Church bee mentioned to proue that a Catholicke Queene would not forbid such a Ceremonie ? But these are false suppositions ; for which concerns the first : That every man is not chargeable with vntruth who reports an vntruth , it is plaine by Scripture , wherein many vntruths are truly reported . As for example , Gen. 37. 33 , Moses truly reports that Iacob said , A wicked beast had devoured his sonne Ioseph : though indeed it was vntrue that a wicked beast had devoured Ioseph . Secondly , that holy Church , your holy Church , vseth not to put spittle into their mouthes who are to bee baptized , all your bookes , which speake of the Ceremonies vsed in Baptisme at this day , generally doe witnesse : but especially your Cardinall Bellarmine ; for he saith expressely , Apolog. pro 〈◊〉 sua ad magnae 〈◊〉 Brit. Regem , cap. 7● ▪ that solùm aures & nares salivâ tanguntur : the eares and nostrills onely are touched with spittle in Baptisme . Neither hee , nor any other writer in this age , knew of any spittle , which was put into the mouthes of such as were to be baptized . And therefore the second vntruth , which you would fasten on me , returnes vpon your selfe , accompanied with Arguments proceeding from a little head .

And so will the third vntruth wherewithall you charge me , returne likewise : for it consists in this , that I say , Our noble King reports , his Mother said shee would not haue a pockie Priest to spit in her childes mouth . Which , as you say , ( but proue not ) is doubtlesse a wicked lie . For to suppose it were a wicked lie ( which I beleeue not ) what is that to me ? It is true I say , Our noble King reports it . If there were an vntruth in it , yet I should be innocent of it . But why Sir Masse-priest , are you so confident , that it is doubtlesse a wicked lie , she called him a pockie Priest ? I hope you doubt not , but that your Church , notwithstanding her holinesse , hath had many pockie Priests : and perhaps she knew more by him then either you or I : Sure I am , that his Maiesties grandfather ( who as some of you say was a Catholike ) hanged him within a few yeares after for an arrant Traytor : And if an arrant Traytor , why not a pockie Priest ? And if hee being a Catholike hanged him ; why might not she ( though a Catholike ) call him pockie Priest ?

The fourth vntruth wherewithall you charge me is , That I say our noble King reports , his Mother said , the Priest spitteth in the childes mouth ; for shee could not say so , and con●equently would not say so , say you : whereof you giue this reason , viz. That the spittle is not spit into the childes mouth , but is gently put into the childes mouth with the Priests finger .

In this , Sir Priest , you shew your selfe a young Priest , and one of little skill in your Pontificalls , and of small practise in your profession : for at this day , and in those Countreys , there is no spittle put into any childs mouth by any manner of way , as before I noted : though if it were as you say , my credit is no way tainted by this , for I onely relate it as from our King , in whose booke you may finde it .

Here by the way you take occasion to tell , how your holie Church vseth this Ceremonie by Imitation of Christs example , putting spittle and dust vpon a blind mans eyes , and putting his finger into the eares , and touching the tongue of a deafe and dumbe man whom he cured .

Which note you might more honestly haue passed by , then made , considering it bewrayeth a great deale of foolerie in your holy Church . For is it not foolerie to vse your spittle in baptizing , because our Saviour Christ with his spittle made a kind of clay , by which hee miraculously cured a man that was blind ? Is it not foolerie , to touch with your spittle the eares and nostrills of such as are to bee baptized ; because our Saviour Christ touched the eares and the tongue of one whom he cured of deafnesse and dumbnesse with his spittle ? Is your spittle answerable to his spittle ? Is there any wisdome , in applying that to spirituall vses , which he applyed onely to corporall ? to doe that ordinarily , which he did onely once extraordinarily ? to doe that to every one , which he did to one onelie ? To omit , that notwithstanding your shew of imitating him , you neither vse Clay in Baptisme , nor touch the tongue of the baptized , as he touched the tongue of the dumbe . Methinkes this your imitation is Apish : certainlie you haue no warrant for it from antiquitie : the holie primitiue Church knew no such Ceremonie in Baptisme . Wherefore I subscribe to him who said , Your spittle is fitter for the Spittle , then for the Church . And let this serue for answere vnto the first fower vntruthes which you thought you did see , but did not see , in the first words of my first obiection as you call it .

To the foure former vntruthes , you say , I haue added three more against Bellarmine . The first whereof is , that I vntrulie translate his wordes , making him say thus : It is not true , that the Priests spittle vsed in Baptisme is put into the childes mouth : Whereas he saith no more in true English then : It is not true , the Priests spittle is spit into the Childes mouth .

But this is one of your fooleries , and no vntruth of mine : My translation of his wordes is answerable to his meaning ; for he fansied no difference betweene spitting in , and putting in of spittle : Hee knew no vse of spittle for any part , but for eares and Nostrills . Solùm aures & nares salivâ tanguntur , saith your Cardinall .

And the answere which I make to this supposed vntruth , may seeme to cleere me from the next vntruth , wherewithall you charge me : If so be there be any difference betweene the one , and the other , which my wit serues me not to see . For , secondly you say , you vntruely charge him to deny , that the spittle is put into a childs mouth , for he denyeth it not to be put ▪ but to be spit into the mouth of the baptized . For , if solùm aures et nares tanguntur salivâ , then spittle is neither spit in , or put in .

The third vntruth against Bellarmine wherewithall you charge me is , I vntruely conclude , the Cardinal calleth his Maiesties report into question , which he doth not , but their report who told his Maiestie so incredible a thing .

To which I answere , That his Maiestie reporting all that I report from him , without any intimation , that he had it by information of others , ( though no doubt hee had it from others ) your Cardinall answering thereto saith , Non est verum &c. It s not true &c. Which argueth your Cardinall calleth his Maiesties report into question , and no other persons : for there is no mention in your Cardinals words of any third person . And so of the seven vntruthes wherewithall you charge me , you haue not proved one .

In my second obiection , as you call it , you say : I vntruely charge your Cardinal with contradicting both our Noble King & Pope Pius Quintus . And first in way of proving , that your Cardinall did not contradict our Noble King , you tell me : that he names not our King in the words I cite , saying only in generall : Non est verum , nomen Cardinalis alijs ademptum , ac solis Romanis reseruatum . It is not true that the name of Cardinal is taken from others , and reserued only to Romaines .

In rendring which reason you shew your selfe a strange man , in that you require to the contradiction of one another a particular naming of the person contradicted . You affirme I made seven vntruthes in my first instance ; I say , not naming you , but speaking in generall , yet answering you : Non est verum , &c. It is not true , that I made seven vntruths . Do not I ▪ for all the generality of my speech , contradict you ? Now such is the case of our King , and your Cardinall ; our King saith , that the title of Cardinall , Priests and Deacons , is restrained onely to the Parish Priests and Deacons of Rome : your Cardinall answering thereto saith , Non est verum , &c. Doth not your Cardinall contradict his Maiesty , though he name him not ? I am sure hee denies that to bee true , which his Maiestie affirmes to bee true , and is not that to contradict him ?

In way of proving that I vntruly charge your Cardinall with contradicting the Popes decree , you tell me : That the tenure of your Popes decree declareth that the eminent and proper title of Cardinall belongeth to the onely Cardinalls Colledge of Rome , and not to any other Church : Neuerthelesse the name Cardinall in a lesse dignitie , and lesse authoritie , is given to other Ecclesiasticall persons in the Church of Toled● .

But the words cited in my booke , are too pregnant to bee avoided with such a watrish distinction , of eminent , and lesse eminent Cardinalls . For the Author having noted that some Churches , besides the Romane , had certaine Prebends which were called Cardinalls , as namely , Compostella , Ravenna , Millan , and Naples : and there were two sorts of Cardinalls , viz. Papae , & Episcoporum ; some made by the Pope , some by Bishops ; doth thereupon take occasion to make mention how Pius quintus in su● diplomate hoc nomen in omnibus alijs Ecclesiis praeterquam in Ro. extinxit , & solum Cardinalis nomen competere voluit Cardinalibus S. R. E. à Papa creatis . By which is plaine , Pius 5. cried downe all Cardinals which were not of the Popes making , and by consequent which were not Cardinalls of the Church of Rome ; He decreed that none but Cardinals of the Church of Rome , should be called so in proper , or improper sense .

In the next instance , which you call my third obiection , you say I charge your Cardinall with a lie , for saying : Nefas est , &c. The Protestants hold it an heynous offense to make any man a Bishop , who is not at least the husband of one wife . But you cleere him not from lying . Onely you tell me , that he reporteth that , as the Protestants generall practise ; according to their common doctrin , not allowing the vow and obligation of single life : meaning , he so said of Protestants , because they generally teach , that it is not safe to vow to liue vnmarried .

Which is a poore defence of him , for it is one thing to teach , that it is not safe to vow to liue vnmarried : and another thing to say , that of necessitie a man must marrie . We teach , Clergie men may marry , they need not vow against marrying : but we teach not , that Clergie men must marrie . This was Vigilantius errour , if Ierom misreport him not : from which wee are cleered by your Masters of Rhemes , Annot. in 1 Tim. 3. 2. and by our practise , for , as I haue noted in my booke , we haue at this present , and had heretofore , many wiue-les Bishops .

Neither makes it any thing to your purpose , that the farre greater part haue taken wiues ; and that all hold it vnlawfull to vow perpetuall chastitie , for that is not the poynt wherewithall Bellarmin chargeth vs , and for which his charging of vs , I thinke he deserues the Whetstone .

In my fourth Instance , you say , I charge all Catholikes with vntruth , for saying , That all the Apostles were continent from their wiues after they followed Christ . Wherein you say truly , for indeed I charge them so . But you cannot answere my Argument , whereby I convince them of vntruth . Onely you say , that perhaps Petronilla ( vpon whose age my Argument is grounded ) was but thirtie eight yeares of age , and not sixtie eight , as I say , when Count Flaccus , doted on her for her beautie , there being an errour in the number : but to proue an errour in the number , you neither giue reason , nor cite Authour , which argues your Answer is conceited .

Oh , but if I may beleeue you , your Catholicke assertion is clearely gathered by our Saviours words , naming wiues among other things which his Apostles had left for his sake . And therfore my Argument though probable is not to be beleeved .

The Apostles left their houses , as wel as their wiues ; for they left all , saith Saint Peter , Mat. 19. 27. yet they kept their property in their houses still : else how is it written Math. 8. 14. That Iesus came to Peters house : and Ioh. 19. 27. That Iohn tooke the virgin Mary home vnto him : and that Mathew Luke 5. 29. made our Saviour a great feast in his owne house , even after it is written of him , that he left all and followed Christ ▪ Now , if they might keepe their houses , notwithstanding their leaving all , why not their wiues also ? vnlesse you can shew they were more strictly tyed to their houses , then to their wiues .

Againe , the forsaking of all , and in speciall of wiues , whereof our Saviour speakes Math. 19. 29 , is such a forsaking , as is required of all Christians : for our Saviour having told his Apostles what reward they should haue for forsaking all : hee goeth on , shewing that not onely they , but all such as leaue their wiues for his names sake , should bee bountifully rewarded . But you dare not say , that all Christians are so to forsake al , as that ever after they must liue continent from their wiues .

Thirdly , the forsaking of all , commended by our Saviour , implies forsaking of brethren , and children , as well as of wiues , Math. 19. 29. And yet it bindes not men to refuse ( when occasion serveth ) performance of Offices and kindnesse to their brethren , and children . And why then should it restraine men from performance of husbandly Offices and kindnesse to their wiues , in time and place ?

The truth is , men are not bound to forsake all , except they cannot keepe them with performance of their dutie to God : they are not to forsake the lawfull vse of such things as they haue , vnlesse the enioyment of them may hinder them in Gods service . Now what can living with a mans wife , hinder a man in Gods service , seeing the bed is vndefiled ? Heb. 13. 7.

In my fifth obiection ( as you call it ) I would proue , you say , That all Bishops did not liue continent from their wiues whom they had marryed before ▪ Priesthood . And in this you speake truely . But to my Argument fetched out of Gregory Nazianzens discourse in verse of his owne life , to proue my assertion , you answer weakely . For to the words which I alledge , importing plainely : that Gregorie Nazianzen had not liued so many yeares ( much lesse Caesarius his younger brother ) as his father Gregory had lived a Bishop : you answer only , That he cleerely affirmes in his funerall Oration , That himselfe was borne before his father was either Priest or baptized , which you can never proue . He made one Oration , at the funerall of his father : an other , at the funerall of his brother Caesarius : a third , at the funerall of his sister Gorgonia : a fourth , at the funerall of his friend Saint Basil . Doe me the favour to write me out the words , wherein he so cleerely affirmes that which you say , and let me know in which of these funerall Orations I may find them . In the meane , I rest perswaded there is no such thing . In which perswasion I am the more confident , To. 6. de ha●re . Ca. 40. because S. Austin witnesseth , that even in his time , the Catholicke Church had many both Clergie men , and Monkes , who lived with their wiues like married men . And wee reade , Socrat. Hist. lib. ● Cap. 8. it was agreed vpon in the first Nicen Councel , That it should be left to every Clergie mans choise , whether hee would forbeare , or keepe company with his wife to whom he was married .

And thus , Sir Priest , you haue my Reply to your Priestly Answer : which I desire you to weigh with indifferency , if you haue any fa●●lty in this kinde of Controversiall 〈◊〉 , whereof I finde no shew in this your Answer . Else ▪ you may thinke your owne thoughts , and follow your owne courses ; and doe well to leaue these disputes to quicker wits , and to such as haue beene trained vp in these studies : for doubtlesse , by such scribblements as this you sent me , you will never giue anie of your owne friends , nor anie of my opinion , any reasonable satisfaction . And so wishing the salvation of your soule , with like affection you seeme to wish mine , I rest ,

Yours , so farre forth as you are Gods and the Kings : ALEXANDER COOKE .
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