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 Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 2, no. A20394) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 5621) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1475-1640 ; 378:13) A goodly dyalogue betwene knowledge and symplicitie [16] p. By Anthony Scoloker and Willyam Seres. Dwellyng wythout Aldersgate. Cum gratia et priuilegio ad imprimendum solum, Imprinted at London : [1548] In verse. Publication date from STC. Signatures: [A]. Reproduction of the original in the Henry E. Huntington Library and Art Gallery. eng Theology, Doctrinal -- Early works to 1800. eebo A goodly dyalogue betwene knowledge and symplicitie. [no entry] 1548 18 3411 89 0 0 0 0 0 260.92 F The rate of 260.92 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2010-08 Assigned for keying and markup 2010-08 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2011-01 Sampled and proofread 2011-01 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2011-06 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion

❧ A Goodly Dyalogue betwene Knowledge and Symplicitie .

IMPRINTED at London , by Anthony Scoloker And Willyam Seres . Dwellyng wythout Aldersgate .

Cum Bratia et priuilegio ad Imprimen●um s●lum●

Knoledge GOd saue you my frende simplicitie I am glad of your good welfare Ye are ryght welcome vnto the Cytie Symplicitie is a straunger in a cytie . For here ye are a straunger very rare ● knowe the cause of your hyther repare It draweth nowe towarde the terme Ye haue some matters for to declare And what they be fayne wolde I learne . Siplicité I thanke you knowledge of your good wyll And of your kyndnes without desert , But I cam hether for no suche skyll , Siplicité is sory that euer he can in ye●●é , it is so full of noughtynes . As y● haue vttered vppon your parte But thys I thought wyth all myne harte When I same hether vnto the terme 〈◊〉 God I had suffred at home great smact● Your facyons be so straunge to learne . Knoledge I praye you syr what is your grefe Hath any man here you offended ? Knoledge desyreth to 〈◊〉 owe his grefe & promyseth to helpe hym . Shewe it shortly in wordes brefe And if I cane I wyll see it amended Your cause by me shall be defended I wyll be with you all th● terme 〈◊〉 counsell towardes you shal be bended Your symp●enes to teache and learne . Siplicité Mary Spr offended I am in dede And that in conscience ryght greuously I praye God it shortlye be remedyed Siplicité thynketh that London will sinke , for synne That London sinke not moch maruell I , For here is nought t is but heresy Blasphemy and slaunder all out of frame That one man affirmeth an other doth deny Against the honour of Gods holy name . Knoledge . Ah Syr I knowe the cause well ynough then Of your great grefe in your conscience And I am ryght glad , for aboue all men I haue much desyred to haue your presence Content you , and shortly ye shal haue intelligence Thogh as yet for a time , sonthing be out of frame At length amongest vs shall be no difference Concerning the honour of Gods holy name . Symplicitie . Frend Knowledge , that is a thyng impossible The Byble is cause of contr●uersy . Ofer custome is blamed . That euerin one we shulde agree So longe as we haue thys beble bible Nay Nay Knowledge , that will not bee Do ye not heare and dailys see Howe men olde custome despyse and blame ? whych thinge is greatly as thinketh me Against the honor of Gods holy name . Kg Though olde custome hath vs longe 〈◊〉 Agaynst Gods Gospell manyf●stlye Is it not niece that it shulde be forbedde 〈◊〉 olde custome be against the gospell it must geue place . And also despysed vtterly ? Yf truth and olde custome dysagree Shall not trueth olde custome despise and blame And make hym subiecte to Gods vertue Yes , that is the honour of Gods holy name siplicitie . Wyll ye ( o knowledge ) be of that minde ? Wyll ye be of that sort and gyse ? Wyll ye beginne newe wayes to fynde The custome of our forfathers is to be obserued . And olde custome cleane to despyse ? Howe saye ye , were not our fathers wyse ? Where they not lerned ? ye be to blame Let theyr example your mynde sustyse Concernyng the honour of Gods holy name Knoledg Vnto our fathers God be mercifull They lyued in darkenes and we in lyght Our fathers as paul teacheth were vnd a cloude , & sawe not the truthe . A litney were vnder a cloude moost wonderfull Of the trueth , they had no parfect syght But I saye , through Gods power and myght That cloude is cleared and set in ryght frame And all fained fantasies it shall put to flyght To the honour and prayse of Gods holy name siplicitie . Wyll ye gyue me leaue to aske you a question And with my boldnes not to be angrye I wolde be sory in any condicion , The 〈…〉 of siplicitie . For to offende you , ye maye beleue me And I desyre you euen hartelye Shewe vnto me your opinion agayne For we two I thynke shall not agre Concernyng the honour of gods holy name . Knoledg Aske what ye wyll , and by Gods grace As well as my wyttes shall serue me I shall make answere in lytle space the gentell answer of Knoledg As I haue lerned in gods veritie Be not afrayd , but speake at lybertie What so euer ye saye , none shall ye blame For su●ely I trust your minde to satysfye Concernyng the honour of Gods holy name siplicitie . Howe saye you ( I pray the ) to the holy masse That long hath bene used of antiquitie An for many other thynges I let passe ) The first question is of masses As of masse of masse of requiem and scala rely That delyuered our frendes soules from purgatory Wyth many mo masses then I can name Of the v. wound●s , and of corpus Christi To the honour and praise of Gods holy name Knoledge Such masses I say , are but Idolatrye that all masses satisfactory are Idolatrye of the bisshop of Romes inuenting . Which the Romysh Antichryst dyd inuent To blynd our eyes wyth fayned ypocrysy And all to get money was hys intent What greater blasphemye was euerment ? If masses shal saue vs , Christs death is invayn That suffred for vs hys flesh to be torment Honour therfore no masse , but Gods holy name Siplicitë How say ye then vnto the Sacrament Which all ye go about to denye Whether Chrystes body be really present in the sacrament . In the hoost , to be bodely present Fyrst as he was borne of mary And vppon the crosse as he dyd dye If ye speake agaynst thys ye are to blame Thys out fathers beleued , and so do I To the honour and prasyse of Gods holy name . Knoledge The sacrament is an holy thyng But the vse therof was farre out of frame And that selfe body on the crosse hangyng that Chryste is not ' odely ●●ent in th● sacran●●t . And horne of mary that bl●ssed dame In hys corporall presens I say playne Is not there present , surely I thynke the same Who teacheth contrary , his doctyne is vayne And great dyshonour to Gods holy name . siplicitie Ah Iesus mercy what do I here ? God is present ●lwhere & therfore his body is in the sacrament Is not he present in the sacrament ? How say you ? Is not God present alwhere ? Wyll ye deny the new Testament ? And if he be alwhere , I say verament He is in the sacrament I abyde by the same Your deuelysh doctryne the deuell dyd inuent To the great dishonour of Gods holy name . Knoledge Yis syr God is present in very dede As well all where , as in the Sacrament But that vnderstand in hys Godhead that God is present all where and is not seen , as the soule of man is inuis●●ble & icorruptible And for example terne thys presydent The soule and the body be thynges different But the body destroyed , the soule doth yet remaine And ye se not the soule , nether yet in the sacrament Ye se Gods body , but blaspheme hys name . Siplicite Mary syr that is abominable heresy Is thys your new leranyng and doctryne ? That the prest of●● up Gods bo●y i the sacrame● What thyng can be sayd that is mort blasphemy Ye shall neuer persuade me brother myne Doth not the priest from tyme to tyme lift vp Gods body , and shew vs the same ? In fourme of bread , yea , we se it wyth oure eyen To the honour and prayse of Gods holye name . Knoledg Ye are deceaued ●●o●rr symplicitie Christ offred ones can not be offred against , masse is ydolatrie & hath no ground in scriptur . For Christ being offred ones for all Shall neuer be offred agayne , beleue mé . Our masses therfore , are most Idolatry of all Hauyng no grounde in scrypture at all If ye say , ye se Chryst lyft vp in the same You commy● most shamefull ydolatry wythall To the great dyshonour of Gods holy name . siplicitie . Our curates command vs in payn of dāpnació To beleue that Chrystes blessed bloude and body In the sacrament is present , of the same facyon As he suffred dyed , and was borne of mary Curates commaunde to beleue that Gods body is the 〈…〉 the sacrament . And who soeuer doth say the contrary To the bysshops , they do accuse the same As one commyttyng most shamefull heresy To the great dyshonour of Gods holy name Knoledg your caries Curats whome cūstūe hath blynded Do not wel●●n that thyng knowe what they saye But loke in the Gospell and y● shall fynde it The ●●●fe same Iesus bornt of a maye Cur●t●s are b●●●● Christ is on the righte had of the father . That was Crucified , dyed , and rose the iii daye On hys fathers ryght hand now sitteth playne Hys body is only there present I saye Who sayth contrarye , doth blaspheme hys name Siplicité 〈…〉 ●rowe saye you to fasting dayes ? Are they not mo●st shamefully abused ? A question of ceremonies . And what thinke you of our holy dayes Whych are not m●te to be refused Both palmes and asshes are cleane confused And offeryng of Candels organe wyth them Are not all these styll to be vsed To the honour and prayse of Gods holy name ? Knoledg . I saye no daye more one then other the fastig & holidaus made by man , are of n●●●ff●●t & all such lyke ceremonies . By Gods woorde is commaunded to fast And kept well your Saboth daye my Brother All other holy dayes are in waste . your palmes and asshes cleane out cast yf ye offer to stocke and stone , ye are to blame They are all but fayned lyke the wyndes blast And against the honour of Gods holy name . Siplicitë Say ye , that fayned is the holy crucifix ? And despyte ye the holy priests absolution ? A qu●stion of y ●●●d prufi● absoleciē , of the god in ye●o●e , & such other Is Gods body a fayned God in the pyr ? Dyd not our beades s●●●e vs to d●●●tion ? Do not the saintes make insercessyen ? Doth not our fastings our flesh tame ? Our holy bread & holy water gyue vs mons●ion To honoure and prayse Gods holy name . Knoledge Of the crucifix an Idoll ye made And your pristes usurped Gods absolution The bread in the box is no God I sayde In answere to the same . And that your beades are very superstition your sayntes can make no intercessyon your fayned fastyng can not your flesh tame your water and bread , by coniuration Are great dyshonour to Gods holy name Siplicitie And was it not well wyth vs thynke ye Whan we vsed our pylgrymage for deuotion ? if pylgrymage was not good & the sayntes wrought ●ntra●les . To holy sayntes that wrought wonderfully Great maruels passyng mans expectation And they helped vs in our perturbation Almost all thyng that we asked we dyd obteynt ●ow say ye ? Was not this a godly fation To the honour and prayse of Gods holy name . Knoledge That fatron is deuelysh and cleane contrary yt●ylgry : ma●e was 〈…〉 agaist god ●●s commaundement . To Gods commaundement , as ye shall see God sayd and commaunded vs very strayghtly Thou shalt haue none other God but me If ye worshyp ydols of stone or of tree ye or thynke they can helpe you ye are to bla●● For then ye depryue God of hys glory To the great dyshonour of hys holy name . Siplicity Is fasting and prayer of no effect Dyd not Chryst to vs make mencion In his gospell by wordes dyrect yf fasting and prayer are of none effect That well , uide vse them for good intencyon ? Yet some men saye ye despise the same And amongest yourselues ye haue great dissention ●o the great dishonour of Gods holy name , Knoledge Yes , fasting and prayer are much requisite fastig and prayer are necessary , but no speciall tyme is therto appoited by scriptures . As Chryst hym selfe dyd to vs examplesye But I saye in scrypture it is not recyte To fast or praye any tyme propre●ye But watch ye and pray ye continually Whan the fleshe doth prycke , them make it tame Wyth fasting , but beware of ypocrysye For that is dyshonour to Gods holy name . siplycitie . I praye God amend all that is amys In the woride was neuer so much dyuysyon One is of that sorte , another is of thys prayeth that all abuses may be amended men may agre in one . And each one dyuers in hys opinyon ye learned men fyrst must agre● in one that after your example , our selues we may frame Then shall we not swarue in any condicion But prayse all together Gods holy name . Knoledge And I pray God wyth you in that thy●… To set at one all our diuision As to hys glory shal be perteynyng Knoledge agreeth to siplicities praier . That all we may agree in one And no man styck to one opinion But as Gods worde shall teach hym the sam● Then shall we not swarue in any condition But prayse all together Gods holy name Siplicitè Syrin dede all theys are aboue my reason desyereth to be caught the ryght way to fast , praye & to rec●yue the Lordes supper . And ye be a man well learned , men saye Wyll ye therfore take payne wyth me this season My com●red conscyence to quyte and stay ? ye say we shulde fast , ye say we shulde pray And the supper of the lord , ye prayse much the sam● To teach me to vse the same after the ryght wa● To the honour and prayse . &c. yea , that I wyll wyth all my harte That is the thyng that I euer pretende ▪ If diligently ye wyll adu●r●e My diligence towardes you is bended the good wyll of knoledge towards siplicitie . your symp●●●●s hath not me offended Neyther my boldenes you , I thynke the same And I trust your grefe shortly to ende it To the honour and prayse of Gods holye name . Knoledg First to your question how ye shuld pray How 〈◊〉 shulde praye . In the .vi. of Math. lerne Chrystes doctrine Pray not for prayse , as I po●rites do I say But in thy chambre , se thy selfe thou declyne by thy chambre thy conscyence thou must defyne And if that be clene , beleue well the same God wyll rewarde the●by his power diuine To the honour and prayse of Gods holye name . Knoleg● But in much babblyng esteme no felicicie we are not hear● for our many pr●●ers , but for the●… be sayde from t●… harte . Lyke as dyd the Pharysees most blynde your Ladyes psalter was mere ypocrysie By this place of scrypture , plainly we fynde your beades brought prayer cleue out of kynde Christe taught a prayer , let vs vse the same Deuoutly to be sayd with harte and mynde To the honour and prayse of Gods holye name . Knoledg your mattens and euensong in a straunge tongue your patched masses full of papistry mates a●… ev●iōg 〈…〉 a strau●… tong & 〈◊〉 ceremon●● 〈…〉 vayne . your shamefull sorte of cerimones dome As knillyng , kneling and other many Do they any thing you teach to edifie ? And to pray and thynke not , is but in vayne The Godly prophet herein agreeth with me All these are dyshonour to Gods holy name . Knoledge When thou fastest ( sayth Chryst ) be not sorye As the ypocrytes whyche pretendyng grauitie . Dyd dysfigure theyr faces supersticiously How we shuld fast That to mens syght they myght seme holy But when thou fastest , do it secretely Not for worldes glory , but thy flesh to tame Than God shall rewarde the aboundauntlye To the honour and prayse of hys holy name . Knoledg But thys is not ment by fryday nor lent superstycious fastynge is agaynst gods honour . By the fast of Bernard / or yet of our ladye Neyther yet of the clouted cloysters aduent For scripture appointeth no tyme properly Neyther yet of meates maketh be dyuersitie But byddeth thy faste , thy fleshe for to tame At all tymes when soeuer thy flesh prycketh the Thus fasting , thou honourest Gods holy name . Knoledge And now for the holy supper of the lorde How we shuld receyue the supper of the lorde . Let pau● be your teacher in each degree Examen your conscience / let your fayth , accorde Before ye presume of so hygh a myst tye For in thys point , fayth onely must be your eye Fayth must be your tast , & all your wittes frame It is in your fayth , that ye see Gods bodye To the honour and prayse of hys holy name . Knoledge Thynke not that ye do eate hym with your teath we do not eate Christes body nor drinke his bloud but in spiryte by fayth . Thynke not that ye se hym with your bodely eye But eate hym and drynke hym in spyrite & fayth For he , yet ipuyng ●oyd giue his body Vnto hys ●iscyples , and sayd , eate ye Thys is my body : yet hys body playne Before their eyes was present corporally Theyr fayth dyd iufiyse : their bodely brayne Knoledge Let fayth therfore you gouuerne and lede And in your harte remembre hys passyon That we shulde before all things beleue in hys passyon . And that he dyed in very dede Leuyng to vs for a commemoration Hys blessed body , of such a ynd and facion That in spyrite & fayth we shuld receyue the same Thus doyng / you take it to your saluation To the honour and prayse of Gods holy name . Siplicité I pray God thanke you with all myne harte The thakes of siplyc●té for the good ●●●̄s ●●ll of knoledge . In these thynges my consyenceis appeased And in all other I trust sone afterwarde My harte by you shall be well ●a●●d The blyndenes that in me was , seased Is almost clered and sit in fr●me And you I do thanke , whome it hath pleased To teach me to honour Gods holy name Knoledge Gyue the laude to God , as moost worthy is And not vnto man , but vnto hys name And praye we for the Kynges hyghnes not to man but to god be all glory That Gods gospell hath so in frame That all we maye see the truth from the vayne That all we all errours maye worthely blame That all we hys kyngdom at the last may attayn● In blysse all toghther to prayse hys holy name . Finis .