Αντεροτεματα
Thomae
Dra●i
.
TEN
COVNTERDEMAVNDS
PROpounded
to
those
of
the
Separation
,
(
or
English
Donatists
)
to
be
directly
,
and
distinctly
answered
.
1.
WHether
,
that
their
rent
,
Schisme
,
and
Separation
from
the
Church
and
Congregations
of
England
,
can
(
in
any
probabilitie
)
bee
pleasing
vnto
God
,
seeing
,
it
hath
had
such
vnhappy
beginnings
,
the
a
first
founder
2.
Whether
,
that
the
quintessenced
profession
,
Religion
and
discipline
of
these
Nouations
and
Innouators
,
as
it
standeth
in
opposition
to
the
Church
of
England
,
and
the
rest
of
the
reformed
Churches
)
can
bee
of
God
,
or
,
haue
any
approbation
from
God
,
seeing
that
it
hath
no
vertue
,
power
and
efficacy
in
it
(
as
the
Gospell
preached
in
our
English
assemblies
by
Gods
blessing
aboundantly
hath
)
to
winne
,
conuert
,
and
drawe
vnto
their
partie
and
profession
,
Atheists
,
Pap●sts
,
Heretikes
,
rude
,
profane
and
ignorant
people
:
The
Apostles
,
Euangelists
,
and
ther
holy
successors
,
conuerted
all
sorts
vnto
God
,
but
these
refined
reformers
,
onely
seduce
the
sound
,
and
peruert
and
estrange
from
vs
,
those
,
that
are
otherwise
well
affected
,
and
of
some
vnderstanding
and
make
them
twofold
more
refractary
then
themselues
.
3.
Whether
that
(
in
the
very
separatists
conscience
)
our
reformed
assemblies
,
(
wherein
the
Gospell
of
Christ
is
sincerely
preached
and
professed
,
and
the
Sacraments
duly
and
rightly
administred
)
Synagogues
,
in
which
notwithstanding
Christ
his
Apostles
preached
;
&
our
Ministers
,
worse
then
the
Scribes
and
Pharisees
,
that
sat
in
Moses
Chaire
,
when
Christ
commandeth
the
people
to
heare
,
and
obserue
and
doe
,
whatsoeuer
(
according
to
Moses
Lawe
)
they
did
bid
them
obserue
.
Wherefore
(
to
reason
à
minore
ad
maius
)
if
our
Lord
Iesus
,
his
Disciples
,
and
the
people
did
not
separate
from
their
Synagogues
and
assemblies
,
that
were
in
faith
and
maners
farre
more
defectiue
then
ours
are
,
much
lesse
ought
they
to
separate
from
our
Church
and
assemblies
,
wherein
,
all
the
grounds
of
Christian
Religion
are
soundly
held
,
and
professed
.
4.
Whether
that
those
great
multitudes
of
people
(
though
hitherto
wanting
the
pretended
Church-constitution
of
the
Separatists
)
that
euen
England
,
(
much
more
grounded
in
the
truth
)
&c.
a
true
visible
Church
?
and
then
with
what
conscience
,
doe
,
or
can
these
Separatists
sequester
and
5.
Whether
,
(
to
ascend
no
higher
,
and
neerer
the
Apostles
to
me
as
I
might
)
that
in
Constantines
the
first
Christian
Emperours
time
,
and
euer
since
vnto
Mr.
Iohn
Caluins
dayes
,
for
the
space
of
some
thirteene
hundred
yeares
,
there
was
no
Christian
Churches
in
Asia
,
Africke
,
Europe
,
because
they
had
the
same
outward
constitution
formal
State
,
Bishops
,
Arch-bishops
,
Metropolitans
,
&
Church-gouernment
(
for
substance
and
substance
of
doctrine
)
that
our
English
Church
hath
,
and
retaineth
.
And
if
those
were
true
visible
Churches
,
why
are
not
ours
(
also
?
)
6.
Whether
,
that
the
reformed
Churches
in
the
lower
,
and
higher
Germany
,
in
France
,
the
Church
of
Geneua
&c.
(
that
come
neerer
to
their
constitution
and
discipline
,
then
ours
doe
in
England
,
)
bee
true
visible
Churches
,
or
no
?
if
they
be
such
,
why
then
doe
they
not
adioyne
themselues
to
some
of
them
,
but
distast
them
as
much
as
they
doe
ours
?
And
why
doe
they
not
in
iudgment
assent
vnto
any
or
all
of
those
reformed
Churches
,
that
with
a
ioynt
consent
(
as
may
appeare
by
the
harmonie
of
Confession
)
acknowledge
the
Church
of
England
to
be
a
true
visible
Church
,
and
giue
vnto
it
the
right-hand
of
fellowship
?
how
dare
they
refuse
such
a
cloude
of
witnesses
?
will
these
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
〈◊〉
put
out
all
their
eyes
?
is
there
no
Church
in
the
world
but
their
Platonicall
Idea
?
7.
How
can
the
Church
,
or
,
Church-assemblies
of
England
,
bee
false
,
Antichristian
,
bastardized
,
wherein
the
Gospell
,
is
so
soundly
and
solemnly
and
substantially
taught
and
professed
,
and
the
Sacraments
,
so
rightly
administred
and
receiued
,
whose
Bible
translations
,
(
specially
the
last
English
translation
done
by
his
Maiesty
command
)
are
so
pure
,
that
the
very
Separatists
rest
in
them
:
wherein
are
so
many
thousands
,
yea
hundred
thousands
of
true
Converts
and
orthodoxe
Christians
,
that
hath
bred
and
brought
forth
so
many
excellent
and
renowned
Martyrs
,
who
haue
sealed
the
trueth
of
our
religion
with
their
bloud
,
and
died
members
of
the
protestant
Churches
;
wherein
so
many
Christian
exiles
are
comfortably
harboured
,
wherein
so
many
sound
,
religious
and
learned
Pastors
,
Doctors
,
Preachers
,
as
(
for
proportion
)
no
Country
in
the
world
can
afford
the
like
;
and
by
whose
doctrine
,
writings
,
disputes
,
(
not
to
speake
of
the
Magistrates
sword
)
the
Romish
Ierico
hath
bin
more
shaken
,
and
the
second
beast
the
Antichrist
,
more
fatally
wounded
,
then
by
any
nationall
Church
whatsoeuer
:
and
which
Church
,
and
the
members
thereof
,
haue
beene
so
wonderfully
blessed
and
protected
,
and
so
strangly
deliuered
from
the
rage
,
tumults
,
designes
,
treasons
,
conspiracies
of
the
Romish
Antichrist
and
all
his
adherents
:
and
in
which
Churches
(
as
one
of
the
princiall
Separatists
I.
R.
in
his
admonition
ad
lectorem
,
in
his
owne
name
and
in
the
name
of
his
faction
,
lately
prefixed
before
the
third
booke
of
M.
Robert
Parker
,
de
politia
ecclesi
.
pag.
368.
confesseth
,
that
the
grace
of
God
by
the
Gospell
,
in
respect
of
the
cheife
heads
of
true
Christian
faith
,
by
diuers
of
the
faithfull
preached
,
doth
so
abound
,
that
there
are
very
many
godly
and
holy
men
in
these
assemblies
,
both
of
Reformitants
and
Conformitants
,
which
they
acknowledge
for
brethren
in
Christ
&c.
We
haue
(
by
their
owne
confession
)
sound
faith
,
and
holinesse
,
why
then
doe
they
or
how
dare
they
sunder
and
rent
themselues
from
such
a
Church
,
and
why
will
they
for
accidents
and
circumstances
,
denie
and
renounce
the
substance
of
a
Church
?
And
if
they
(
vpon
bettercōsideration
)
estcēc
vs
brethren
,
with
what
warrant
can
they
seperate
from
holy
brethren
in
Christ
,
is
it
not
good
and
pleasant
for
to
see
brethren
to
dwell
together
in
vnitie
?
Did
not
the
conuerts
in
S.
Peters
dayes
continue
dayly
with
one
accord
in
the
Temple
&c.
And
why
doe
not
our
Separatists
who
would
be
accounted
conuerted
Saints
,
imitate
them
,
must
wee
leaue
and
forsake
a
goodly
Cittie
,
for
the
weaknesse
of
the
walls
?
8.
How
can
the
formall
state
(
as
they
call
it
)
of
the
Prouinciall
,
Diocesan
,
Cathedrall
&
Parishionall
Churches
of
England
,
and
the
regiment
thereof
,
be
vnlawfull
,
papall
,
Antichristian
?
And
how
doe
,
or
,
can
the
Lawes
of
the
land
,
and
Ecclesiasticall
Cannons
confirme
it
?
seeing
that
the
name
,
calling
&
office
of
B
B
:
whether
we
respect
ordination
of
ministers
or
power
of
iurisdiction
,
is
(
as
hath
ben
,
&
will
be
proued
)
for
substance
expressed
in
diuers
places
of
the
new
Testament
;
seeing
,
it
hath
had
a
continuall
succession
from
the
Apostles
time
to
this
day
,
as
all
auncient
Fathers
and
Counsells
acknowledge
:
and
seeing
that
(
at
least
)
this
formall
estate
of
Diocesan
,
Parishionall
and
Cathedrall
Churches
,
hath
bin
in
vse
,
long
before
Antichrist
was
hatched
,
for
the
Pope
was
not
Antichrist
before
he
had
gotten
Dominion
:
Doth
not
euery
Bishop
amongst
vs
,
euery
Pastor
and
ecclesiasticall
officer
,
abiure
the
Prpes
vsurped
supremacie
?
Doe
not
our
statutes
,
and
Cannons
directly
make
againg
papistry
and
Idolafry
?
What
will
Sathan
expell
Sathan
,
and
will
the
members
of
Antichrist
fight
against
Antichrist
?
And
admitt
all
bee
,
as
you
pretend
,
doe
we
not
(
at
least
)
kill
Antichrist
with
his
owne
sword
and
weapons
?
9.
Whether
,
any
new
lawes
can
,
or
ought
to
be
enacted
,
or
any
further
reformation
made
without
the
Christian
Princes
or
Magistrates
consent
,
or
euer
in
a
well
ordered
Church
hath
bene
enacted
,
or
made
and
whether
,
they
haue
done
well
,
to
seperate
with
out
the
Kings
Maiesties
leaue
and
licence
,
and
consent
of
the
state
?
10.
Whether
,
it
were
not
the
separatists
best
course
,
to
returne
to
Gods
true
Church
and
people
,
from
which
(
vpon
some
concealed
hard
dealing
)
they
haue
made
an
vnlawfull
rent
,
and
therein
to
confer
with
the
best
learned
,
and
if
still
their
consciences
be
somewhat
tender
,
to
supplicate
for
some
fauour
and
liberty
,
or
if
they
will
not
take
this
course
,
whether
it
were
not
good
for
them
,
for
the
avoiding
of
scandall
,
and
in
expectance
of
some
prosperous
successe
,
by
the
permission
of
our
noble
King
,
and
honourable
Counsell
to
remoue
into
Virginia
,
and
make
a
plantation
there
,
in
hope
to
conuert
infidels
to
Christianitie
?
FINIS
.