THE
TRYAL
Of
STEPHEN
COLLEDGE
,
&c.
Present
,
the
-
Lord
Norreys
.
-
Lord
Chief
Justice
North.
-
Mr.
Justice
Jones
.
-
Mr.
Justice
Raymond
.
-
Mr.
Justice
Levyns
.
On
Wednesday
the
17th
.
of
August
,
1681.
the
Judges
and
Commissioners
of
Oyer
and
Terminer
and
Gaol-Delivery
,
met
at
the
Court-House
in
the
City
of
Oxford
;
and
after
Proclamation
for
Silence
,
the
Commission
of
Gaol-Delivery
was
Read
,
and
then
the
Commission
of
Oyer
and
Terminer
.
Proclamation
was
made
for
the
Sheriff
to
return
the
Precepts
to
him
directed
:
The
Justices
of
the
Peace
of
the
County
of
Oxford
were
called
over
;
and
the
Appearance
of
the
Grand
Jury
summoned
to
attend
this
Commission
was
taken
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
North.
GEntlemen
,
You
that
are
returned
of
the
Grand
Inqust
,
there
has
been
a
Sessions
so
lately
,
that
in
all
probability
there
will
be
no
great
matter
to
trouble
you
with
at
this
time
.
And
so
I
shall
not
trouble
my self
nor
you
to
give
you
any
Charge
,
because
we
know
of
no
business
yet
that
we
shall
need
you
for
.
The
Court
hath
recorded
your
Appearance
.
You
will
do
well
to
be
in
the
way
,
either
in
the
Town
,
or
hereabout
the
Court
,
that
you
may
be
ready
if
any
thing
should
happen
.
'T
is
necessary
for
us
to
have
your
attendance
;
but
we
know
not
of
any
thing
that
we
have
in
particular
to
trouble
you
with
.
We
have
an
Indictment
before
us
,
let
us
proceed
upon
that
.
Cl.
of
the
Crown
.
Gaoler
,
have
you
your
Prisoner
?
Gaoler
.
We
will
fetch
him
presently
.
Then
the
Prisoner
was
brought
to
the
Bar.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Stephen
Colledge
,
Hold
up
thy
Hand
.
(
Which
he
did
.
)
Thou
art
here
Indicted
by
the
name
of
Stephen
Colledge
,
late
of
Oxford
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
,
Carpenter
;
For
that
thou
as
a
false
Traytor
against
the
most
Illustrious
,
most
Serene
,
and
most
Excellent
Prince
,
our
Sovereign
Lord
Charles
the
Second
,
by
the
Grace
of
God
,
of
England
,
Scotland
,
France
and
Ireland
King
,
Defender
of
the
Faith
,
&c.
thy
Supreme
and
Natural
Lord
,
the
Fear
of
God
in
thy
heart
not
having
,
nor
weighing
the
Duty
of
thy
Allegiance
,
but
being
moved
and
seduced
by
the
Instigation
of
the
Devil
,
the
cordial
Love
,
and
true
,
due
,
and
natural
obedience
which
true
and
faithful
Subjects
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
towards
him
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
should
and
of
right
ought
to
bear
,
wholly
withdrawing
and
machinating
,
and
with
all
thy
strength
intending
the
Peace
and
common
tranquillity
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
of
this
Kingdom
of
England
to
disturb
,
and
Sedition
and
Rebellion
,
and
War
against
our
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
within
this
Kingdom
of
England
to
move
,
stir
up
and
procure
;
and
the
cordial
Love
,
and
true
and
due
Obedience
which
true
and
faithful
Subjects
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
towards
him
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
should
,
and
of
right
ought
to
bear
,
wholly
to
withdraw
,
put
out
and
extinguish
,
and
him
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
to
Death
and
final
Destruction
to
bring
,
and
put
,
the
tenth
day
of
March
,
in
the
Three
and
Thirtieth
year
of
the
Reign
of
our
Sovereign
Lord
Charles
the
Second
,
by
the
Grace
of
God
,
of
England
,
Scotland
,
France
and
Ireland
King
,
Defender
of
the
Faith
,
&c.
at
Oxford
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
,
Falsly
,
Maliciously
,
Subtilly
and
Traiterously
,
did
Purpose
,
Compass
,
Imagine
and
Intend
Sedition
and
Rebellion
within
this
Kingdom
of
England
,
to
move
,
stir
up
,
and
procure
,
and
a
miserable
Slaughter
among
the
Subjects
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
to
procure
and
cause
,
and
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
from
his
Regal
State
,
Title
,
Power
and
Government
of
his
Kingdom
of
England
,
to
deprive
,
depose
,
cast
down
and
disinherit
;
and
him
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
to
Death
and
final
Destruction
to
bring
and
put
,
and
the
Government
of
the
said
Kingdom
at
thy
will
and
pleasure
to
change
and
alter
,
and
the
State
of
all
this
Kingdom
of
England
,
in
all
its
parts
well
Instituted
and
Ordained
,
wholly
to
Subvert
and
Destroy
,
and
War
against
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
within
this
Kingdom
of
England
to
levy
;
and
thy
said
most
Wicked
Treasons
,
and
Trayterous
Imaginations
and
Purposes
aforesaid
to
fulfil
and
perfect
,
thou
the
said
Stephen
Colledge
the
said
tenth
day
of
March
,
in
the
Three
and
Thirtieth
year
of
the
Reign
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
with
force
and
Arms
,
&c.
at
Oxford
aforesaid
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
aforesaid
,
Falsly
,
Maliciously
,
Subtilly
,
Advisedly
,
Devilishly
and
Trayterously
did
prepare
Arms
and
Warlike
offensive
Habiliments
to
wage
War
against
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
.
And
thy self
in
warlike
manner
for
the
purposes
aforesaid
,
then
and
there
Falsly
,
Maliciously
,
Subtilly
,
Advisedly
,
Devilishly
and
Traiterously
didst
Arm
,
and
one
Edward
Turbervill
,
and
other
Subjects
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
to
Arm
themselves
;
to
perfect
thy
Traiterous
purposes
aforesaid
,
then
and
there
Advisedly
,
Maliciously
and
Trayterously
didst
incite
and
advise
.
And
further
,
then
and
there
Falsly
,
Maliciously
,
Subtilly
,
Advisedly
,
Devilishly
and
Trayterously
didst
say
and
declare
,
That
it
was
purposed
and
designed
to
seize
the
Person
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
at
Oxford
aforesaid
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
aforesaid
.
And
that
thou
the
said
Stephen
Colledge
in
prosecution
of
thy
trayterous
purpose
aforesaid
,
wouldst
be
one
of
them
who
should
seize
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
at
Oxford
aforesaid
,
in
the
County
aforesaid
.
And
that
thou
the
said
Stephen
Colledge
thy
said
most
wicked
Treasons
and
trayterous
Imaginations
,
Compassings
and
Purposes
aforesaid
the
sooner
to
fulfil
and
perfect
,
and
discords
between
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
and
his
People
to
move
,
cause
and
procure
,
then
and
divers
times
and
days
as
well
before
as
after
at
Oxford
aforesaid
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
aforesaid
,
in
the
presence
and
hearing
of
divers
Liege
Subjects
of
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
then
and
there
being
present
,
Falsly
,
Maliciously
,
Subtilly
,
Advisedly
,
Devilishly
and
Traiterously
didst
say
and
declare
,
That
nothing
of
good
was
to
be
expected
from
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
;
and
that
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
did
mind
nothing
but
Beastliness
,
and
the
destruction
of
his
People
:
And
that
our
said
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
did
endeavour
to
establish
Arbitrary
Government
and
Popery
against
the
Duty
of
thy
Allegiance
,
against
the
Peace
of
our
Sovereign
Lord
the
King
,
his
Crown
and
Dignity
,
and
against
the
Form
of
the
Statutes
in
this
Case
made
and
provided
.
How
sayest
thou
,
Stephen
Colledge
,
Art
thou
Guilty
of
this
High-Treason
whereof
thou
standest
Indicted
,
and
hast
been
now
Arraigned
,
or
not
Guilty
?
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
do
desire
,
if
it
please
your
Lordship
,
to
be
heard
a
few
words
.
L.
Ch.
Just.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
the
matter
that
hath
been
here
read
unto
you
is
a
plain
matter
,
and
it
hath
been
read
to
you
in
English
,
that
you
may
understand
it
.
'T
is
an
Indictment
of
High
Treason
;
now
you
must
know
,
that
no
Plea
can
be
received
to
it
,
but
either
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
as
to
the
Fact
;
if
you
can
assign
any
matter
in
Law
,
do
it
.
Colledge
.
Will
you
please
to
spare
me
,
that
I
may
be
heard
a
few
words
.
I
have
been
kept
close
Prisoner
in
the
Tower
ever
since
I
was
taken
:
I
was
all
along
unacquainted
with
what
was
charged
upon
me
.
I
knew
not
what
was
sworn
against
me
,
nor
the
persons
that
did
swear
it
against
me
,
and
therefore
I
am
wholly
ignorant
of
the
matter
.
I
do
humbly
desire
I
may
have
a
Copy
of
the
Indictment
,
and
a
Copy
of
the
Jury
that
is
to
pass
upon
me
,
and
that
I
may
have
Council
assigned
me
,
to
advise
me
,
whether
I
have
not
something
in
Law
pleadable
in
Bar
of
this
Indictment
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
These
are
the
things
you
ask
,
You
would
have
a
Copy
of
the
Indictment
,
you
would
have
Council
assigned
to
you
,
to
advise
you
in
matter
of
Law
,
and
a
Copy
of
the
Jury
.
Colledge
.
One
word
more
,
my
Lord
,
I
desire
to
know
upon
what
Statute
I
am
Indicted
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
I
will
tell
you
for
that
,
Is
it
not
contra
formam
Statut.
with
an
abbreviation
?
Cl.
of
Cr.
Yes
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
That
refers
to
all
manner
of
Statutes
that
have
any
relation
to
the
thing
in
the
Indictment
that
is
High-Treason
.
For
it
may
be
meant
contra
formam
Statut.
which
are
all
the
several
Statutes
that
are
in
force
concerning
High-Treason
.
Now
for
those
things
that
you
demand
,
you
cannot
have
them
by
Law
.
No
man
can
have
a
Copy
of
the
Indictment
by
Law
;
for
Councel
,
you
cannot
have
it
,
unless
matter
of
Law
arises
,
and
that
must
be
propounded
by
you
;
and
then
if
it
be
a
matter
debatable
,
the
Court
will
assign
you
Councel
,
but
it
must
be
upon
a
matter
fit
to
be
argued
:
for
I
must
tell
you
,
a
defence
in
Case
of
High-Treason
ought
not
to
be
made
by
Artificial
Cavils
,
but
by
plain
Fact
.
If
you
purpose
any
matter
of
Law
,
the
Court
will
consider
of
it
,
and
assign
you
Councel
,
if
it
be
reasonable
.
For
a
copy
of
the
Jury
,
that
you
can't
have
neither
,
for
there
is
no
such
thing
as
yet
;
there
is
no
Issue
joyned
whereupon
such
a
Jury
should
be
impannelled
.
When
you
have
pleaded
to
Issue
,
then
we
must
award
the
Sheriff
to
impannel
a
Jury
to
try
that
Issue
.
So
as
to
what
you
say
as
to
want
of
preparation
for
your
Tryal
,
we
cannot
enquire
what
notice
you
have
had
;
and
yet
if
you
had
never
so
little
time
,
there
is
no
cause
why
you
should
not
plead
,
though
you
were
but
just
now
taken
and
brought
to
the
Bar
to
answer
it
,
and
never
heard
of
any
thing
of
it
before
.
So
that
I
think
you
ought
to
plead
presently
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
am
wholly
ignorant
of
the
Law
,
I
may
ruine
my self
by
mistaking
the
Law
;
I
desire
Councel
,
not
to
delay
my
Tryal
,
but
only
to
advise
me
whether
there
is
not
something
in
Law
proper
for
me
to
plead
to
this
Indictment
,
and
those
things
I
alledged
were
not
at
all
to
delay
the
Tryal
,
but
only
that
I
may
not
be
wanting
to
my self
in
what
I
may
by
Law
have
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
I
tell
you
,
Councel
cannot
be
assigned
you
till
the
Court
be
possessed
of
some
matter
to
grant
it
upon
.
Colledge
.
I
had
some
Papers
,
my
Lord
,
that
were
taken
from
me
,
which
I
desire
may
be
restored
to
me
.
I
only
plead
that
I
may
have
my
Birth-right
,
and
that
which
the
Law
gives
me
;
If
I
may
have
Justice
,
I
desire
no
more
.
These
Papers
were
taken
from
me
in
the
House
over
the
way
since
I
was
brought
from
the
Prison
;
they
were
Papers
that
concerned
my
defence
;
some
directions
and
instructions
how
to
manage
my self
in
that
defence
.
If
you
please
to
let
me
have
those
Papers
,
I
will
not
take
up
much
of
your
time
;
I
desire
to
have
but
common
Justice
,
and
that
which
is
my
right
by
Law
.
L.
Ch.
Just.
That
which
you
demand
,
Justice
,
you
shall
have
by
the
Grace
of
God
to
the
best
of
our
skill
,
without
any
partiality
in
the
World
.
But
you
must
trust
the
Publick
Justice
of
the
Kingdom
.
We
are
to
be
of
Councel
for
you
,
so
far
as
to
see
that
all
things
proceed
fairly
on
all
sides
.
And
when
things
come
before
us
that
are
fit
for
you
to
have
Councel
upon
,
you
shall
have
Councel
assigned
you
;
for
we
are
tender
of
the
life
of
a
Man
,
as
well
as
of
the
life
of
the
King
,
and
of
the
publick
Justice
of
the
Kingdom
.
But
this
is
no
reason
why
you
should
not
now
plead
.
For
the
Papers
you
speak
of
,
we
will
take
an
examination
of
them
afterwards
:
If
they
were
Papers
that
are
necessary
for
your
defence
upon
your
Tryal
,
in
God's
Name
you
must
have
them
restored
to
you
;
but
we
know
not
which
way
you
came
by
them
,
nor
what
they
are
.
Colledge
.
They
were
taken
from
me
just
now
,
under
the
pretence
of
bringing
them
to
your
Lordship
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
How
comes
any
body
to
give
you
Papers
?
Nobody
can
solicit
for
any
one
that
is
under
an
Accusation
of
High-Treason
,
unless
he
be
assigned
so
to
do
by
the
Court.
Colledge
.
God
have
mercy
upon
any
man
that
is
so
accused
then
;
for
't
is
not
possible
for
him
to
make
his
Defence
,
if
he
cannot
be
at
liberty
to
look
after
it
himself
,
nor
any
of
his
Friends
permitted
to
do
it
for
him
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
can
say
whether
you
are
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
without
any
Papers
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
know
not
but
there
may
be
something
in
Law
for
me
to
plead
to
this
Indictment
,
which
I
shall
lose
the
benefit
of
if
I
plead
.
I
humbly
conceive
you
are
to
be
my
Councel
,
and
as
you
are
Judges
,
are
to
proceed
according
to
the
Law
.
You
are
upon
your
Oaths
to
do
me
right
according
to
the
Law
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
But
till
you
have
proposed
a
matter
of
Law
fit
for
Councel
to
argue
,
there
is
no
Councel
to
be
assigned
you
.
Colledge
.
If
I
had
those
Papers
,
I
could
tell
what
I
should
plead
.
My
Lord
,
this
is
one
thing
,
I
am
a
Free-man
of
London
,
and
I
am
not
impleadable
by
the
Charter
of
London
,
any
where
out
of
the
Liberties
of
the
City
in
Pleas
of
the
Crown
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
are
indicted
in
Oxfordshire
for
High-Treason
committed
here
.
If
there
be
not
any
thing
of
High-Treason
proved
,
done
in
Oxfordshire
,
you
will
be
acquitted
.
But
a
Free-man
of
London
cannot
have
a
priviledge
to
commit
Treason
in
Oxfordshire
,
but
must
be
Tryed
for
it
there
.
Colledge
.
Will
you
please
to
order
me
my
Papers
back
that
were
taken
from
me
?
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
You
ought
first
to
plead
.
You
have
a
right
to
demand
Councel
in
matters
of
Law
,
but
then
it
must
be
upon
such
matters
of
Law
as
you
your self
propose
to
the
Court
,
and
the
Court
shall
judge
to
be
matters
of
Law
fit
to
be
debated
:
Till
then
we
cannot
assign
you
Councel
.
Colledge
.
It
was
so
in
the
Tryal
of
Lilburne
,
and
in
the
Tryal
of
my
Lord
Stafford
,
there
was
Councel
assigned
to
them
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
Not
before
they
pleaded
to
the
Indictment
.
Colledge
.
Did
not
your
Lordships
,
some
of
you
that
are
Judges
of
the
Kings-Bench
,
say
,
that
it
was
the
right
of
the
Prisoner
to
have
a
Copy
of
the
Pannel
,
and
of
the
Jury
,
before
the
Tryal
?
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
No
sure
:
Here
are
two
of
us
that
are
of
the
Court
,
and
we
never
heard
of
any
such
thing
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
do
me
right
,
I
am
ignorant
of
the
Law
,
and
through
my
ignorance
may
mistake
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
God
forbid
we
should
not
do
you
right
;
you
may
expect
it
from
us
;
we
are
upon
our
Oaths
to
do
all
the
Kings
Subjects
right
.
Colledge
.
I
am
ignorant
in
the
Law
,
and
't
is
impossible
for
me
to
make
my
defence
without
the
assistance
of
my
Papers
.
L.
Ch.
Just.
Cannot
you
tell
whether
you
be
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
of
this
Treason
?
Colledge
.
I
can
so
,
but
I
know
not
what
error
I
may
run
my self
into
,
if
I
should
plead
presently
,
and
lose
the
benefit
that
the
Law
may
give
me
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
All
matters
of
Law
are
saved
to
you
after
you
have
pleaded
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
Papers
again
that
were
taken
from
me
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
You
must
plead
to
the
Court
,
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
.
Colledge
.
Shall
I
not
have
my
Papers
after
I
have
pleaded
?
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
We
will
not
capitulate
with
you
.
Move
what
you
will
then
,
but
till
you
have
pleaded
,
we
can
enter
into
no
other
business
.
Colledge
.
I
know
not
but
I
might
plead
some
other
thing
to
the
Indictment
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Propose
what
you
will
,
if
it
be
a
matter
in
Law
fit
to
be
argued
,
you
shall
have
Councel
assigned
you
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
Papers
again
.
If
it
were
not
my
right
to
have
them
,
or
to
have
Councel
,
I
would
not
ask
it
;
but
if
it
be
,
I
would
not
lose
what
is
my
right
.
L.
ch.
just
.
You
must
plead
first
.
I
know
not
but
he
may
be
criminal
that
brought
you
those
Papers
:
for
we
allow
no
Sollicitors
in
cases
of
Treason
.
Colledge
.
Some
of
those
Papers
were
received
from
me
in
the
Tower
,
and
were
brought
back
to
me
,
and
taken
away
but
to
day
,
I
desire
they
may
be
returned
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Are
you
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
?
Colledge
.
Those
Papers
tell
me
I
have
a
Plea
in
Law
,
but
what
it
is
,
I
cannot
directly
tell
without
my
Papers
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
must
mention
it
,
and
propose
it
,
and
then
we
will
do
what
is
fitting
for
us
to
do
in
it
.
Colledge
.
I
have
not
that
method
about
me
,
nor
can
I
directly
tell
it
without
my
Papers
;
but
't
is
something
of
Law
about
the
Indictment
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
are
not
bound
up
to
forms
of
Law
.
For
if
you
propose
the
matter
never
so
loosely
,
yet
if
it
be
a
matter
of
avail
,
and
that
which
the
Law
is
not
clearly
against
you
in
,
you
shall
have
Councel
,
and
time
to
draw
it
up
in
form
.
Colledge
.
I
cannot
propose
the
matter
so
regularly
as
if
I
had
my
Papers
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
are
not
bound
to
propose
it
in
formality
of
Law
,
my
Lord
tells
you
,
only
let
us
know
what
it
is
.
Colledge
.
I
have
a
priviledge
in
Law
,
I
hope
you
will
give
me
the
benefit
of
it
.
Lo.
ch.
Just.
We
will
deny
you
nothing
that
the
Law
gives
you
;
but
we
cannot
give
you
councel
.
It
is
not
one
particular
case
,
but
the
common
course
of
Justice
is
concerned
.
Without
a
matter
of
Law
arises
,
we
cannot
assign
you
Counsel
;
if
we
would
,
we
cannot
in
Justice
till
you
have
proposed
the
matter
which
the
Court
thinks
fit
to
be
argued
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
Coke
says
,
It
is
the
Birth-right
of
every
English-man
to
have
Councel
in
matters
of
Law
,
and
Lilburne
had
it
upon
solemn
Argument
in
his
Tryal
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
What
times
were
those
?
That
was
before
the
High
Court
of
Justice
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
If
there
be
matter
in
Law
,
it
must
be
proposed
to
the
Court
,
and
they
are
to
judge
whether
it
be
a
Point
fit
to
be
argued
,
and
then
Councel
is
to
be
assigned
you
,
and
not
till
then
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
know
not
but
there
may
be
somewhat
in
Law
for
me
to
plead
to
this
Indictment
,
till
I
have
my
Papers
I
can't
tell
what
it
is
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
We
know
nothing
of
your
Papers
what
they
are
,
you
must
answer
whether
you
be
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
.
Colledge
.
If
I
had
my
Papers
,
I
would
answer
to
it
immediately
;
but
I
hope
I
shall
not
be
murdered
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Have
a
care
of
aspersing
the
Court.
Pray
who
intends
to
murder
you
?
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
I
remember
in
Lilburn's
Tryal
that
he
speaks
of
,
such
words
were
used
indeed
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
hope
I
shall
not
be
deny'd
what
is
necessary
for
my
defence
.
This
design
is
not
only
against
me
,
but
against
all
the
Protestants
.
Mr.
Art.
Gen.
How
long
have
you
been
a
Protestant
,
Mr.
Colledge
?
Colledge
.
Ever
since
I
knew
what
Religion
was
,
Sir
,
I
never
was
any
thing
else
.
For
Gods
sake
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
the
justice
of
the
Nation
,
and
what
by
Law
an
English-man
ought
to
have
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
must
plead
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
,
or
you
must
shew
some
matter
that
you
will
plead
,
that
is
proper
for
us
to
assign
you
Councel
.
If
we
should
record
your
refusal
,
you
would
be
judged
to
stand
Mute
,
and
Sentence
would
pass
upon
you
.
Colledge
.
If
I
have
a
priviledge
in
Law
as
an
English-man
,
I
will
not
forfeit
it
,
if
I
can
help
it
,
for
any
thing
in
the
world
.
Therefore
I
desire
I
may
have
my
Papers
again
,
that
I
may
see
if
I
can
plead
any
thing
in
Law
;
for
if
I
have
a
priviledge
by
the
Law
,
before
I
will
forfeit
it
,
you
shall
do
what
you
please
with
me
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
'll
have
the
advantage
of
all
that
matter
that
is
in
your
Papers
after
you
have
pleaded
,
if
there
be
any
advantage
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
order
me
my
Papers
that
were
taken
away
from
me
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
They
were
not
taken
away
by
me
.
Colledge
.
They
were
taken
away
by
the
Keeper
,
under
pretence
to
bring
them
to
your
Lordship
.
L.
ch.
just
.
I
know
not
how
you
came
by
them
.
There
came
one
to
me
last
night
that
is
a
common
Sollicitor
,
one
Aaron
Swith
,
and
desired
he
might
have
liberty
to
go
and
speak
with
the
Prisoner
.
I
told
him
,
I
did
not
understand
till
he
were
assigned
by
the
Court
,
that
any
could
justifie
Solliciting
for
a
man
that
is
accused
of
High
Treason
nor
could
any
be
of
Councel
till
they
were
assigned
:
for
a
defence
against
Treason
ought
to
be
by
plain
matters
of
Proof
and
Fact
,
and
not
by
artificial
Cavils
.
But
if
you
will
propose
any
thing
of
substance
,
as
a
matter
in
Law
which
the
Court
shall
think
fit
to
be
argued
,
propose
it
,
and
then
we
will
assign
you
Councel
.
Colledge
.
Is
it
not
my
right
that
I
ought
to
have
a
copy
of
the
jury
?
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Look
you
for
that
now
,
you
cited
the
Opinion
of
the
Judges
of
the
Kings-Bench
.
My
Brothers
,
two
of
them
that
are
here
,
who
are
Judges
in
that
Court
,
say
,
they
know
nothing
of
any
such
matter
:
But
I
must
tell
you
,
you
have
liberty
by
Law
to
challenge
35.
by
your
sight
premptorily
,
without
shewing
cause
.
They
are
bound
to
look
upon
you
when
they
come
to
be
sworn
,
and
if
you
have
any
just
cause
,
you
may
except
against
as
many
more
as
as
you
will
.
But
now
we
that
proceed
upon
a
Commission
of
Gaol-delivery
,
are
to
proceed
with
expedition
;
there
are
no
particular
men
designed
for
a
Jury
that
I
know
of
.
But
when
you
have
pleaded
,
we
shall
award
the
Sheriff
to
impannel
a
Jury
.
Colledge
.
If
the
Law
allow
me
the
liberty
of
challenging
,
it
does
intend
it
me
that
I
may
challenge
those
persons
that
I
think
will
do
me
no
justice
;
but
where
they
are
strangers
unto
me
,
if
I
can
have
no
information
about
any
of
them
by
my
own
enquiry
,
or
my
friends
,
I
may
challenge
my
friends
as
well
as
my
foes
:
and
should
there
be
any
person
that
has
a
prejudice
against
me
,
and
I
not
know
it
,
he
may
chance
to
be
one
.
L.
c.
j.
I
hope
they
will
be
neither
friends
nor
foes
,
but
true
men
.
Coll.
I
know
not
that
,
my
Lord
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
This
that
you
say
as
to
a
copy
of
the
Jury
,
is
unseasonable
.
There
is
no
Jury
,
nor
can
be
awarded
till
you
have
pleaded
.
There
must
be
first
Issue
joyned
,
and
that
cannot
be
but
upon
your
Plea
of
not
Guilty
.
Therefore
you
must
plead
first
,
and
then
say
all
you
will
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Are
you
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
may
not
I
have
a
pannel
of
the
Jury
?
Mr.
just.
jo
.
There
is
no
such
thing
in
being
.
Coll.
I
know
not
what
to
say
to
it
;
pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
papers
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
You
have
heard
the
opinion
of
the
Court
,
you
must
first
plead
.
Coll.
I
cannot
plead
first
,
I
must
lose
my
life
if
I
must
;
I
neither
know
who
accuses
me
,
nor
what
it
is
they
accuse
me
of
:
't
is
impossible
I
should
defend
my self
if
I
have
not
my
papers
.
L.
c.
j.
We
know
not
what
papers
you
mean
.
Coll.
The
Gaoler
took
them
from
me
,
and
one
of
the
Kings
Messengers
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
will
you
order
them
to
be
returned
to
me
again
:
Let
me
but
see
whether
I
have
any
right
or
no
,
and
whether
I
have
any
thing
to
plead
or
no
:
When
I
have
perused
my
papers
,
I
will
propose
it
as
well
as
I
can
to
you
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
a
fair
Tryal
.
L.
c.
j.
We
promised
you
a
fair
Tryal
,
but
you
must
put
your self
upon
that
Tryal
by
your
pleading
.
Coll.
I
cannot
do
that
without
my
papers
,
my
Lord
.
Let
me
but
have
them
again
,
and
I
will
not
delay
your
time
at
all
.
L.
c.
j.
You
can
tell
whether
you
are
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
,
can't
you
?
Coll.
If
I
have
a
Plea
in
law
against
the
Indictment
,
I
hope
you
will
not
hinder
me
of
that
which
is
my
right
.
It
is
possible
the
Indictment
does
not
lay
it
right
,
either
as
to
the
matter
of
Treason
,
or
as
to
the
place
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
That
is
upon
the
Issue
of
not
Guilty
upon
your
Tryal
.
If
there
be
not
matter
of
Fact
,
or
words
proved
that
are
Treason
in
this
place
,
you
will
have
the
advantage
of
it
upon
your
Tryal
.
Coll.
I
know
not
,
my
Lord
,
but
that
the
Indictment
does
mention
something
of
Treason
,
and
something
of
Misdemeanour
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
That
which
is
Misdemeanour
,
won't
amount
to
a
proof
of
the
Treason
upon
the
Tryal
.
L.
c.
j.
If
they
prove
no
Treason
against
you
here
,
but
only
Misdemeanour
,
I
do
not
understand
that
the
Jury
can
find
you
guilty
of
that
Misdemeanour
;
for
't
is
another
crime
,
and
there
is
another
sort
of
proceedings
for
it
.
In
Misdemeanour
there
are
no
peremptory
Challenges
;
in
Misdemeanour
Councel
is
to
be
allowed
for
the
Prisoner
,
but
not
in
Treason
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
be
pleased
to
order
me
my
papers
again
:
I
know
not
what
to
say
without
I
have
the
assistance
of
my
papers
:
when
I
have
them
,
I
shall
be
ready
to
plead
presently
,
according
as
I
shall
find
I
may
by
law
.
This
I
am
sure
,
I
have
done
nothing
,
nor
said
nothing
of
Treason
,
and
I
pray
for
nothing
but
Justice
,
and
that
which
is
my
right
.
This
is
a
most
horrid
conspiracy
to
take
away
my
life
;
and
it
will
not
stop
here
,
for
it
is
against
all
the
Protestants
in
England
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
do
not
only
trifle
,
but
run
out
into
very
great
extravagancies
.
Who
has
any
conspiracy
against
your
life
?
you
shall
be
allowed
to
give
in
Evidence
any
thing
of
any
conspiracy
against
you
,
or
contrivance
against
you
when
you
are
upon
your
Tryal
.
Now
the
Question
is
,
Are
you
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
?
I
see
no
use
of
papers
that
you
can
have
as
to
the
Plea
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
will
run
into
danger
by
spending
of
time
.
Colledge
.
Pray
my
Lord
,
order
me
my
papers
,
they
are
in
the
hands
of
Mr.
Murrell
the
Gaoler
,
and
Sewell
the
Kings
Messenger
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
When
you
have
pleaded
we
will
take
it
into
consideration
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
it
may
be
too
late
then
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
'T
is
a
plain
matter
before
you
,
whether
you
be
Guilty
or
no.
You
know
what
to
answer
.
Coll.
I
will
give
a
direct
answer
,
after
I
have
my
papers
again
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
can
give
an
answer
to
that
without
papers
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Consult
with
your
own
heart
,
and
there
you
may
receive
an
answer
to
that
Question
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Colledge
;
can
any
body
tell
whether
you
be
guilty
or
no
,
better
then
your self
?
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
If
you
expect
any
papers
,
they
ought
to
be
framed
by
your self
;
for
by
Law
none
can
advise
you
what
to
plead
.
Colledge
.
I
don't
expect
it
in
matter
of
Fact
,
but
if
matter
of
Law
arise
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
But
this
is
a
matter
of
Fact
,
and
therefore
you
may
plead
Not
guilty
,
as
well
without
your
papers
,
as
if
you
had
them
.
Colledge
.
But
if
there
be
any
matter
of
Law
,
that
I
ought
to
have
the
advantage
of
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
Then
you
ought
to
have
no
advice
,
till
they
be
assigned
by
the
Court
:
for
by
the
Law
,
neither
counsel
nor
advice
are
allowable
to
you
,
till
the
matter
has
been
proposed
,
and
the
Court
think
fit
to
assign
you
counsel
.
Mr.
just.
Levinz
.
You
talk
of
the
Priviledge
of
an
English
man
;
you
have
all
the
priviledges
of
an
English-man
:
You
are
here
brought
to
an
open
Tryal
,
according
to
the
Law
,
and
by
that
Law
you
must
Plead
.
Now
if
a
man
be
Indicted
for
High-Treason
,
he
is
bound
to
plead
either
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
,
unless
he
has
a
matter
in
Law
to
excuse
him
from
that
Plea
,
which
must
be
proposed
to
the
Court
,
and
then
Counsel
will
be
assigned
,
and
if
so
be
matter
of
Law
arises
upon
any
evidence
that
is
given
against
you
at
the
Tryal
,
you
may
demurr
upon
that
Evidence
,
and
pray
Counsel
of
the
Court
to
argue
that
demurrer
,
and
they
will
not
deny
you
:
but
I
think
you
must
plead
presently
.
Colledge
.
I
suppose
other
persons
that
have
been
tried
,
have
had
Councel
before
they
have
pleaded
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
But
never
before
the
Matter
was
proposed
to
the
Court.
L.
c.
j.
It
was
so
in
the
case
of
my
Lord
Stafford
.
The
Court
made
him
propose
his
matters
in
Law
,
and
so
it
was
in
Lilburn's
case
.
He
did
insist
upon
a
great
many
matters
in
Law
,
and
had
the
Books
there
himself
.
Coll.
I
am
wholly
ignorant
of
the
Law
,
my
Lord
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Your
Lordships
are
the
Judges
of
Law
in
this
case
.
The
Question
here
in
short
is
,
whether
the
Prisoner
be
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
,
and
that
being
demanded
of
him
by
the
Court
,
if
he
refuses
,
let
him
take
the
consequence
of
it
.
Coll.
What
is
that
pray
,
Sir
George
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Judgment
of
High-Treason
.
For
if
a
person
stand
mute
,
and
will
not
plead
to
an
Indictment
of
High-Treason
,
the
common
Judgment
of
Pressing
to
Death
must
not
pass
upon
him
,
but
an
Attainder
of
High-Treason
.
Coll.
Well
,
if
it
be
so
,
I
cannot
help
it
.
I
thank
God
I
am
innocent
of
any
Treason
,
or
any
such
thing
.
L.
c.
j.
Why
don't
you
plead
not
Guilty
then
?
Coll.
I
do
not
refuse
to
plead
,
I
am
willing
to
plead
with
all
my
Heart
,
if
I
may
have
my
right
.
Mr.
just.
jo
.
If
you
do
not
plead
,
you
do
refuse
to
plead
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
Papers
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
give
the
Court
an
Account
where
you
had
those
Papers
.
L.
c.
j.
Nay
,
we
will
not
enter
into
any
examination
of
that
matter
now
,
Mr.
Attorney
;
he
can
have
no
use
of
Papers
to
see
whether
he
should
plead
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
.
Mr.
S.
jeff.
We
know
nothing
of
those
Papers
,
we
desire
he
may
answer
to
the
Question
shortly
,
whether
he
be
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
;
if
not
,
we
pray
your
Lordships
judgment
.
Coll.
I
had
them
not
all
from
one
person
,
they
were
received
from
my
own
hands
some
of
them
in
the
Tower
,
and
being
brought
back
to
me
,
they
were
taken
from
me
to
day
,
let
me
have
but
one
of
them
:
the
Paper
of
instructions
in
point
of
Law
,
that
I
may
know
what
is
my
right
,
I
would
not
throw
away
my
life
,
if
I
have
any
thing
that
is
my
right
that
can
preserve
it
.
L.
c.
j.
You
are
to
give
a
plain
Answer
,
whether
you
are
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
?
now
for
that
you
have
no
use
of
Papers
:
For
you
can
best
tell
whether
you
be
Guilty
or
not
.
If
you
can
propose
any
matter
of
Law
that
you
can
have
to
plead
,
do
it
.
Coll.
If
I
have
any
Plea
that
I
may
plead
besides
not
Guilty
,
I
desire
I
may
have
my
Papers
to
consider
of
it
,
and
that
I
may
have
Councel
assigned
me
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
have
any
such
Plea
,
tell
us
the
matter
,
and
the
subststance
of
it
.
Coll.
I
do
not
know
what
really
are
matters
of
Law
,
if
I
had
those
instructions
that
are
in
my
Papers
,
I
could
give
you
a
direct
Answer
presently
.
L.
c.
j.
You
ought
not
to
have
any
advice
to
decline
your
Tryal
:
When
you
propose
matter
of
Law
your self
,
you
may
have
advice
upon
it
.
But
you
ought
not
to
have
advice
to
decline
your
Tryal
before-hand
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Are
you
Guilty
,
or
not
Guilty
?
Coll.
Mr.
Attorney
,
pray
let
me
have
a
copy
of
the
Indictment
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Apply
your self
to
the
Court
for
it
,
we
must
receive
our
directions
from
thence
.
L.
c.
j.
You
have
had
the
opinion
of
the
Court
,
you
can't
have
it
.
M.
just.
Levinz
.
You
have
been
told
nothing
can
be
received
from
you
but
a
Plea
of
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
,
and
the
Court
have
given
you
their
opinion
,
and
that
you
cannot
have
a
copy
of
the
Indictment
,
nor
Councel
assigned
you
,
till
you
offer
something
for
them
to
be
assigned
upon
.
L.
c.
j.
And
that
was
it
which
was
done
in
the
King's-Bench
in
the
case
of
Fitz-Harris
,
which
I
suppose
you
meant
when
you
spake
of
the
Judges
Opinions
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Nothing
was
done
there
till
he
himself
assigned
the
matter
in
Law
that
he
would
plead
,
and
then
Councel
was
assigned
him
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Mr.
Colledge
was
in
the
Court
at
that
time
,
and
can
tell
what
was
done
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
desire
the
Indictment
read
over
again
distinctly
,
that
you
may
have
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Ay
,
with
all
my
heart
.
Coll.
Pray
let
me
hear
it
again
,
my
Lord
,
if
you
please
.
L.
c.
j.
Read
it
over
again
to
him
,
and
read
it
distinctly
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Thou
art
Indicted
by
the
name
of
Stephen
Colledge
late
of
Oxon.
in
the
County
of
Oxon.
Carpenter
,
as
a
false
Traytor
.
Coll.
I
have
observed
one
thing
already
,
my
Lord
,
I
pray
I
may
have
Pen
and
Ink.
L.
c.
j.
Ay
,
give
him
Pen
and
Ink
,
let
him
make
what
observations
he
can
.
Then
the
clerk
read
the
Indictment
through
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Art
thou
Guilty
of
this
High-Treason
,
or
not
Guilty
?
Coll.
This
Indictment
,
if
I
understand
it
,
says
,
there
was
a
Plot
and
conspiracy
by
me
and
others
;
now
I
know
when
my
Lord
Stafford
was
tryed
,
they
did
proceed
to
prove
first
,
that
there
was
such
a
Plot
,
and
then
that
my
Lord
was
guilty
of
it
;
first
,
that
there
was
such
a
conspiracy
by
the
Papists
,
is
it
not
requisite
they
should
first
prove
such
a
Plot
and
conspiracy
there
was
,
before
they
go
to
prove
me
guilty
of
it
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
What
,
before
you
have
pleaded
?
L.
c.
j.
When
you
have
pleaded
,
the
next
thing
is
to
try
you
,
and
to
give
the
Evidence
,
but
what
way
the
King's
Councel
will
take
to
manage
your
Tryal
,
that
we
can't
tell
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
But
they
are
not
to
be
directed
by
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Colledge
.
It
was
so
done
in
my
Lord
Stafford's
case
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
He
pleaded
first
however
,
you
have
not
yet
pleaded
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Are
you
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
?
L.
Ch.
Just.
Do
not
trifle
any
longer
,
't
is
a
plain
matter
,
and
requires
a
very
short
and
plain
answer
.
Colledge
.
Your
Lordships
are
my
Councel
as
well
as
my
Judges
,
and
I
do
desire
if
I
have
any
right
to
plead
any
other
matter
,
you
will
be
pleased
to
declare
it
to
me
,
for
I
am
ignorant
in
the
Law
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
We
have
declared
our
opinion
already
,
that
you
have
no
right
to
have
any
Solicitor
or
Councel
till
matter
of
Law
do
arise
.
Coll.
Is
it
your
Lordships
opinion
that
I
have
no
Plea
in
Law
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Have
you
no
Plea
in
Law
?
L.
c.
j.
He
would
have
our
judgment
whether
there
be
any
or
no.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
your self
know
best
,
we
know
nothing
you
have
to
plead
.
Colledge
.
I
cannot
unless
I
have
counsel
,
and
my
papers
.
L.
c.
j.
There
does
nothing
appear
to
us
.
Coll.
I
know
nothing
of
the
Law
.
L.
c.
j.
Then
plead
not
Guilty
,
that
is
a
ready
Plea
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
have
heard
our
opinion
over
and
over
again
.
You
have
as
much
counsel
as
is
allowed
in
these
cases
,
for
every
man
is
best
judge
of
his
own
case
,
what
to
plead
,
whether
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
:
You
have
had
as
fair
play
as
ever
any
man
had
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Colledge
has
said
he
knows
of
no
Plea
in
Law
he
has
,
and
therefore
there
is
none
;
for
de
non
apparentibus
,
&
non
existentibus
,
the
reason
is
the
same
.
L.
c.
j.
In
matter
of
Fact
there
is
no
Plea
but
not
Guilty
.
Coll.
The
Court
are
Judges
in
matter
of
law
,
and
they
are
my
counsel
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
the
Court
have
all
of
them
declared
they
know
of
nothing
in
Law
that
you
have
to
plead
.
Coll.
Is
not
counsel
to
be
allowed
to
one
under
my
circumstances
?
L.
c.
j.
If
you
have
any
thing
for
Councel
to
be
assigned
upon
,
you
shall
have
them
.
Coll.
If
I
am
ignorant
of
that
,
and
cannot
propose
it
,
shall
I
not
have
the
assistance
of
councel
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
No
,
we
have
told
you
the
Law
plainly
,
and
that
which
is
frequent
in
practice
in
like
cases
,
and
you
must
be
contented
with
the
same
measure
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
am
ignorant
of
the
law
.
L.
c.
j.
Then
rely
upon
the
Fact
,
and
plead
not
Guilty
.
Coll.
But
if
I
have
a
right
to
any
point
in
law
,
let
me
have
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
have
a
right
if
you
will
propose
any
matter
of
Law
,
but
we
cannot
propose
it
for
you
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Colledge
,
no
man
ought
to
propose
your
Plea
for
you
,
Ignoruntia
juris
non
excusat
.
Colledge
.
Shall
my
ignorance
destroy
me
,
Mr.
Attorney
?
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
You
have
heard
the
opinion
of
the
Court
,
you
have
a
right
to
propose
any
other
Plea
that
you
can
your self
,
but
you
have
no
right
to
ask
counsel
before
you
have
pleaded
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
If
Mr.
Colledge
have
such
a
thing
as
a
Solicitor
,
I
shall
crave
leave
to
put
that
Solicitor
in
mind
of
the
case
of
one
that
was
indicted
of
High-Treason
,
for
soliciting
for
one
that
was
accused
of
High-Treason
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
shall
talk
of
that
by
and
by
.
L.
c.
j.
The
same
methods
are
used
in
your
case
,
as
are
in
all
cases
of
the
like
nature
,
as
far
as
my
knowledge
reacheth
.
Colledge
.
If
I
have
a
right
to
the
Law
,
I
must
not
lose
it
for
my
own
ignorance
of
the
law
;
but
if
you
deny
me
both
my
counsel
and
my
papers
,
you
take
away
the
means
of
my
coming
to
that
right
,
and
make
me
uncapable
of
making
my
Defence
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
have
been
told
you
must
plead
before
you
do
any
thing
.
Colledge
.
This
is
the
person
,
(
pointing
to
a
person
by
him
)
that
had
the
papers
.
Be
pleased
to
command
him
that
I
may
have
them
again
:
He
said
he
had
order
to
take
them
from
me
,
and
bring
them
to
your
Lordship
.
L.
c.
j.
I
know
of
no
use
you
could
have
of
any
papers
to
plead
Guilty
or
not
Guilty
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
If
there
be
in
those
papers
advice
in
matters
of
Law
,
that
you
have
been
told
you
ought
not
to
have
,
till
the
Court
has
assigned
you
councel
to
give
you
advice
.
Coll.
Then
if
there
be
a
right
in
law
,
and
a
priviledge
which
I
ought
to
have
,
I
must
lose
it
by
my
being
ignorant
of
it
,
and
have
no
one
to
advise
me
about
it
neither
.
L.
c.
j.
You
may
propose
it
,
if
you
have
any
,
if
not
you
must
plead
to
the
Indictment
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
My
Lord
,
it
has
not
been
usual
for
us
that
are
of
the
Kings
counsel
,
to
enter
into
Dialogues
with
Prisoners
at
the
Bar.
The
first
thing
that
is
to
be
done
in
such
cases
,
is
for
the
Prisoner
to
Plead
Guilty
,
or
not
Guilty
or
to
offer
something
to
the
Court
that
may
be
a
matter
in
Law
fit
to
be
debated
▪
and
this
we
pray
may
be
done
in
this
case
,
and
that
the
Prisoner
may
plead
presently
,
or
else
we
desire
your
Judgment
.
Coll.
Pray
let
me
have
my
papers
again
,
my
Lord
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
go
in
a
circle
,
and
run
round
from
one
thing
to
another
,
and
will
receive
no
answer
.
We
have
told
you
our
opinion
,
and
we
must
tell
you
,
that
though
you
hold
long
Discourses
,
yet
you
will
be
judged
lost
and
〈◊〉
if
you
plead
not
a
legal
Plea
.
Therefore
you
must
plead
Guilty
,
or
not
Guilty
,
or
offer
something
that
may
be
a
Plea
in
Law
,
and
then
you
shall
have
the
assistance
of
councel
,
but
you
must
have
none
till
then
.
Colledge
.
But
shall
I
not
have
my
papers
my
Lord
?
L.
c.
j.
We
know
nothing
of
them
.
Colledge
.
Pray
my
Lord
order
the
man
to
give
them
to
me
,
that
took
them
from
me
.
L.
ch.
just
.
We
will
order
no
such
thing
.
He
may
be
a
criminal
perhaps
that
did
give
them
you
at
first
,
but
when
you
have
pleaded
we
will
hear
any
motion
you
will
make
about
them
.
Coll.
It
may
be
I
ought
to
plead
that
the
words
were
spoke
in
another
place
,
then
the
place
lay'd
in
the
Indictment
.
L.
c.
j.
You
will
not
need
to
plead
any
such
thing
,
for
if
there
be
nothing
proved
of
Treason
that
you
said
or
did
in
Oxford-shire
you
must
be
found
Not
guilty
.
Coll.
Here
is
another
thing
,
my
Lord
,
I
am
indicted
by
the
name
of
Colledge
Carpenter
.
L.
c.
j.
What
then
?
Coll.
I
am
not
a
carpenter
but
a
joyner
,
is
that
any
bar
to
it
?
L.
c.
j.
The
addition
signifies
nothing
,
I
do
not
know
any
difference
betwixt
a
carpenter
and
a
joyner
in
Law
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
They
might
have
indicted
you
by
the
name
of
Labourer
and
it
had
been
good
.
Coll.
Pray
my
Lord
either
give
me
my
papers
or
assign
me
counsel
,
or
else
I
may
throw
away
my
life
,
for
I
am
wholly
ignorant
of
the
Law
.
L.
c.
j.
When
you
have
pleaded
we
will
hear
any
Motion
you
will
make
,
and
do
that
which
is
just
upon
it
:
but
I
see
no
use
you
can
have
of
papers
to
plead
Guilty
or
Not
guilty
,
which
is
the
only
question
is
asked
you
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Are
you
Guilty
,
or
Not
guilty
?
Coll.
Will
you
promise
me
my
Lord
,
there
shall
no
advantage
be
taken
against
me
,
if
I
do
plead
so
?
L.
c.
j.
We
will
make
no
bargains
with
you
.
Plead
as
you
ought
by
Law
to
do
.
Coll.
If
matters
of
Law
arise
,
shall
I
have
Counsel
to
speak
to
them
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Yes
you
shall
,
you
need
not
doubt
it
.
Propose
any
matter
now
fit
to
be
argued
,
and
you
shall
have
counsel
to
it
.
Coll.
I
am
not
capable
of
doing
it
.
I
know
not
when
I
have
any
right
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
The
Court
is
of
councel
to
you
.
Coll.
If
you
are
my
counsel
,
then
have
I
any
Plea
in
law
to
make
?
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
You
have
heard
the
Indictment
read
,
what
say
you
?
for
you
must
propose
the
matter
.
L.
c.
j.
We
know
of
none
but
Guilty
,
or
Not
Guilty
,
if
you
can
tell
of
any
do
.
Coll.
I
pray
I
may
have
my
papers
again
;
if
there
be
no
other
Plea
for
me
,
pray
let
me
have
my
papers
again
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
have
heard
the
Opinion
of
the
Court
,
you
must
plead
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Certainly
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
can't
be
Guilty
of
these
things
,
you
need
not
scruple
it
,
to
plead
Not
guilty
sure
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
having
been
kept
a
Prisoner
,
as
I
have
been
,
without
pen
,
ink
or
paper
,
no
conversation
with
my
Friends
,
no
knowledge
of
the
Fact
,
and
being
ignorant
of
the
Law
,
not
knowing
where
I
have
a
right
,
nor
when
I
have
a
right
;
if
you
do
force
me
upon
this
Plea
,
and
it
cost
me
my
life
,
at
your
doors
lye
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
will
lose
your
life
if
you
do
not
plead
;
if
you
plead
not
Guilty
,
and
are
not
proved
Guilty
,
you
will
save
your
life
by
this
Plea
.
Colledge
.
I
am
willing
to
plead
what
the
Law
requires
of
me
to
plead
,
and
if
I
have
a
right
in
Law
,
I
would
not
lose
it
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Are
you
Guilty
,
or
not
Guilty
?
Colledge
.
Why
then
,
as
they
have
laid
it
in
that
Indictment
,
in
manner
and
form
as
't
is
there
laid
,
I
am
not
Guilty
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Culprit
,
by
whom
wilt
thou
be
tryed
?
Colledge
.
By
God
and
my
Countrey
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
God
send
thee
a
good
deliverance
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Got
Guilty
is
his
Plea
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Now
he
has
pleaded
,
Mr.
Attorney
,
he
speaks
of
some
papers
,
if
there
be
any
Memorandums
or
any
thing
that
must
assist
him
,
that
is
necessary
for
his
defence
in
his
Tryal
in
those
Papers
,
it
will
be
hard
to
deny
him
them
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
If
your
Lordships
please
to
give
me
leave
▪
I
will
give
you
an
account
of
them
.
The
Messenger
just
now
did
deliver
these
papers
to
be
delivered
to
the
Court.
Colledge
.
Pray
speak
out
,
Mr.
Attorney
,
and
let
me
hear
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
he
came
to
Prison
he
had
none
,
but
Mr.
Aaron
Smith
,
the
Messenger
informed
me
,
did
deliver
them
to
him
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Whose
hand-writing
are
the
papers
in
?
Coll.
He
received
them
from
me
in
the
Tower
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
received
them
from
him
first
.
Colledge
.
No.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
were
the
papers
you
delivered
to
him
in
the
Tower
?
Colledge
.
The
three
pieces
joyned
together
that
contains
directions
how
to
govern
my self
,
there
is
another
of
the
same
purpose
which
instructs
me
to
demand
a
copy
of
the
Indictment
,
and
of
the
pannel
of
the
Jury
,
and
those
were
instructions
to
tell
me
what
the
Law
allows
me
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Here
is
a
Speech
made
for
you
that
begins
thus
.
Before
you
plead
,
speak
to
this
purpose
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
I
desire
that
may
be
examined
,
and
Mr.
Smith
may
be
called
to
give
an
account
how
he
came
to
give
the
Prisoner
those
papers
;
for
here
are
abundance
of
niceties
proposed
for
him
to
move
,
and
there
will
be
a
strange
sort
of
proceedings
at
this
rate
,
if
men
go
about
to
espouse
the
cause
of
Traytors
.
Colledge
.
I
am
no
Traytor
,
Mr.
Attorney
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
stand
indicted
of
High-Treason
.
Colledge
.
That
is
by
a
Grand
Jury
made
up
that
morning
,
as
I
am
informed
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Here
is
a
list
of
the
names
of
several
men
of
the
Countrey
returned
to
be
of
the
Jury
,
and
particular
marks
set
upon
them
,
who
are
good
men
,
and
who
bad
men
,
and
who
moderate
men
.
Colledge
.
Ought
I
not
to
have
that
paper
,
my
Lord
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
No
I
hope
not
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Whether
they
are
material
or
not
material
,
if
we
should
judge
them
not
material
for
his
defence
,
yet
it
will
look
like
an
hard
point
upon
the
Prisoner
,
and
to
deliver
them
into
an
hand
that
they
may
be
carried
away
or
stifled
,
in
case
there
were
a
crime
in
the
delivering
of
them
that
would
not
do
well
on
the
other
side
:
therefore
I
would
have
these
papers
put
into
some
safe
hands
,
that
what
may
be
for
the
Prisoners
use
he
may
not
want
,
and
yet
they
may
not
be
taken
away
,
if
there
be
occasion
to
use
them
upon
another
account
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
But
if
it
please
your
Lordship
,
I
desire
you
would
enter
into
Examination
of
this
matter
;
for
I
have
an
account
from
London
by
a
special
Messenger
that
there
are
several
persons
that
go
up
and
down
to
procure
Witnesses
against
the
Kings
Evidence
,
making
it
a
publick
Cause
;
and
here
my
Lord
,
another
paper
which
is
a
List
of
men
as
Witnesses
picked
up
together
against
the
Kings
Witnesses
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
He
must
have
that
,
deliver
him
that
presently
.
Mr.
Attorn.
Gen.
But
my
Lord
,
others
have
gone
about
and
framed
Witnesses
for
him
.
L.
Ch.
Just.
You
must
give
him
a
list
of
his
Witnesses
,
for
I
see
not
what
use
you
can
make
of
it
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
This
no
man
will
oppose
sure
,
if
any
thing
that
is
delivered
to
him
be
fit
to
be
delivered
,
the
person
that
delivers
it
must
come
and
own
it
;
but
before
any
person
delivers
any
papers
to
the
Prisoner
,
for
him
to
make
use
of
against
the
Kings
Evidence
,
we
desire
to
know
what
those
papers
mean
,
and
who
gave
them
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Look
you
Brother
,
we
will
have
nothing
of
heat
till
the
Tryal
be
over
,
when
that
is
over
if
there
be
any
thing
that
requires
our
Examination
it
will
be
proper
for
us
to
enter
into
the
consideration
of
it
.
But
in
the
mean
while
what
hurt
is
there
,
if
the
papers
be
put
into
some
trusty
hands
,
that
the
Prisoner
may
make
the
best
use
of
them
he
can
,
and
yet
they
remain
ready
to
be
produced
upon
occasion
,
if
a
man
be
speaking
for
his
Life
,
though
he
speak
that
which
is
not
material
,
or
nothing
to
the
purpose
,
that
will
be
no
harm
to
permit
that
.
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
With
submission
my
Lord
,
that
is
assigning
him
Counsel
with
a
Witness
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
If
people
are
permitted
to
go
up
and
down
and
ask
counsel
of
persons
and
bring
it
in
papers
to
the
Prisoner
,
't
is
the
same
thing
as
if
Counsel
came
to
him
.
Here
is
a
busie
Solicitor
and
he
gets
advice
from
Councel
and
then
he
delivers
it
to
the
Prisoner
,
't
is
the
first
of
the
kind
certainly
that
ever
was
allowed
;
and
if
this
be
not
to
assign
him
Counsel
,
I
know
not
what
is
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
What
think
you
of
our
perusing
the
papers
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
With
all
my
heart
my
Lord
.
Colledge
.
If
you
take
away
all
helps
from
me
,
you
had
as
good
condemn
me
without
a
Tryal
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
ought
not
to
have
helps
to
plead
dilatories
.
Colledge
.
Not
to
help
me
to
my
right
in
Law
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
are
to
go
upon
the
Fact
now
:
And
,
my
Lord
,
I
pray
your
jugdment
about
them
,
when
you
have
perused
them
.
Then
the
Judges
looked
upon
that
paper
that
was
called
the
Speech
.
L.
c.
j.
We
have
read
enough
of
this
to
suppress
it
,
and
to
examine
it
how
this
came
to
his
hands
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Where
is
Aaron
Smith
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
My
Lord
,
here
is
another
that
is
worse
than
that
,
charging
the
Justice
of
the
Nation
.
Pray
call
Mr.
Aaron
Smith
,
and
Mr.
Henry
Starkey
.
Mr.
Smith
appeared
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Smith
,
did
you
deliver
these
two
papers
to
the
Prisoner
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Does
any
body
accuse
me
that
I
did
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
are
accused
for
it
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
desire
proof
may
be
made
against
me
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
That
will
be
done
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
we
will
not
interrupt
the
Tryal
with
it
,
Mr.
Smith
must
be
taken
into
safe
custody
only
to
secure
him
,
till
we
can
examine
it
;
not
as
charged
with
any
crime
,
but
only
that
he
may
be
forth-coming
to
be
examined
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
do
not
make
a
direct
answer
Mr.
Smith
in
the
case
,
it
will
be
proved
upon
you
.
Mr.
Smith
.
Mr.
Attorney
,
I
know
not
what
answer
to
make
better
than
I
have
given
;
our
Law
says
no
man
is
bound
to
accuse
himself
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
But
our
Law
says
,
you
shall
be
examined
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
come
to
give
no
Informations
here
Mr.
Attorney
:
if
I
did
I
should
be
then
examined
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Here
are
Instructions
given
to
the
Prisoner
,
they
say
you
gave
them
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
desire
to
have
it
proved
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Attorney
,
you
will
take
a
Recognizance
of
Mr.
Smith
,
to
be
,
forth-coming
during
this
Sessions
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
will
not
depart
my
Lord
I
assure
you
:
And
I
hope
Mr.
Attorney
will
take
my
word
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Indeed
I
will
not
Mr.
Smith
,
because
you
have
broken
it
with
me
already
,
when
I
gave
you
leave
to
go
to
the
Prison
,
I
did
not
think
you
would
have
abused
that
kindness
,
to
give
him
papers
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Well
take
his
Recognizance
.
Mr.
Smith
.
'T
is
high
time
to
have
a
care
,
when
our
Lives
and
Estates
,
and
all
are
beset
here
.
L.
c.
j.
What
do
you
mean
by
that
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Smith
.
I
said
it
not
,
meaning
by
it
the
Court
,
for
I
dealare
Jabhor
that
Expression
to
be
so
interpreted
,
that
I
reflected
upon
the
Court.
L.
c.
j.
Why
do
you
use
such
loose
Expressions
then
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Because
I
have
been
threatned
since
I
came
to
Town
,
though
I
have
not
spoke
one
word
in
any
publik
company
since
I
came
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
It
seems
you
will
reflect
here
in
the
face
of
the
Court
,
and
in
the
face
of
the
Countrey
,
upon
the
Government
,
upon
the
justice
of
the
Kingdom
.
Mr.
Smith
.
No
,
my
Lord
,
I
have
told
you
what
I
meant
by
it
;
I
neither
reflected
upon
the
Court
,
nor
upon
the
Government
,
nor
upon
the
Justice
of
the
Kingdom
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
should
have
done
well
to
have
forborn
such
expressions
as
those
were
.
Colledge
.
Shall
I
not
have
the
use
of
the
papers
,
my
Lord
;
will
you
not
please
to
deliver
them
back
to
me
,
now
you
have
perused
them
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
One
of
them
is
a
Speech
,
and
a
most
seditious
,
libellous
Speech
,
to
spit
venom
upon
the
Government
in
the
face
of
the
Countrey
.
We
cannot
tell
who
made
it
,
but
it
seems
to
be
beyond
your
capacity
,
and
therefore
we
must
enquire
into
it
:
but
we
do
not
think
fit
to
let
you
have
the
use
of
that
paper
.
L.
ch.
just
.
For
that
which
contains
the
names
of
the
Witnesses
,
that
you
have
again
:
For
the
other
matters
,
the
instructions
in
point
of
Law
,
if
they
had
been
written
in
the
first
person
,
in
your
own
name
,
that
we
might
believe
it
was
your
Writing
,
it
would
have
been
something
;
but
when
it
is
written
in
the
second
person
,
you
should
do
so
and
so
;
by
which
it
appears
to
be
written
by
another
person
:
It
is
an
ill
president
to
permit
such
things
;
that
were
to
give
you
councel
in
an
indirect
way
,
which
the
Law
gives
you
not
directly
.
Coll.
If
I
am
ignorant
what
Questions
to
ask
of
the
Witnesses
,
shall
not
my
Friends
help
me
,
my
Lord
?
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
We
will
sift
out
the
Truth
as
well
as
we
can
,
you
need
not
fear
it
.
Coll.
Some
of
those
things
I
took
out
of
the
Books
my self
.
And
if
you
are
resolved
to
take
away
all
my
helps
,
I
cannot
help
it
,
I
know
not
that
Mr.
Smith
wrote
one
of
those
papers
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
But
Mr.
Smith
would
have
given
four
Guineys
it
seems
,
as
a
Bribe
to
the
Gaoler
,
and
he
offered
four
more
to
let
him
have
liberty
to
come
to
him
.
Mr.
S.
jeff.
'T
is
time
indeed
for
Mr.
Smith
to
have
a
care
.
Keeper
.
It
was
Mr.
Starkey
that
offered
me
the
four
Guineys
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
call
Mr.
Henry
Starkey
.
(
But
he
did
not
appear
.
)
Then
the
Court
took
a
Recognizance
of
100l
.
of
Mr.
Smith
to
attend
the
Court
durying
the
Session
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
papers
delivered
to
me
,
I
cannot
make
my
Defence
else
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
We
are
your
councel
in
matter
of
Fact
;
and
to
give
you
your
papers
,
were
to
assign
you
councel
against
Law
,
they
being
not
your
own
papers
,
but
coming
from
a
third
hand
.
Colledge
.
Will
you
please
to
give
me
the
paper
that
has
the
Questions
in
it
,
to
ask
the
Witnesses
?
L.
c.
j.
There
are
no
papers
with
any
particular
Questions
to
any
one
Witness
,
but
only
instructions
how
to
carry
your self
in
this
case
.
Coll.
A
great
deal
of
it
is
my
own
,
my
Lord
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Attorney
,
truly
I
think
that
that
do's
not
contain
matter
of
Scandal
may
be
transcribed
and
given
to
the
Prisoner
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
desire
I
may
have
that
that
has
in
the
Margent
of
its
the
case
of
Lilburn
and
Stafford
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
shall
not
have
Instructions
to
scandalize
the
Government
,
all
that
is
necessary
for
your
defence
,
you
shall
have
.
L.
c.
j.
If
he
had
writ
it
himself
I
cannot
well
see
how
you
could
take
it
from
him
,
and
truly
as
't
is
,
I
had
rather
let
him
have
too
much
,
then
too
little
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
thought
I
might
have
had
counsel
to
have
assisted
me
,
but
if
I
may
have
counsel
neither
before
my
Plea
nor
after
,
I
that
an
ignorant
,
may
be
lost
by
it
,
but
can't
help
it
.
L.
c.
j.
If
matter
of
Law
arise
you
shall
have
counsel
in
it
.
Coll.
I
know
not
but
it
might
have
admitted
of
an
Argument
,
that
which
if
I
had
had
my
papers
,
I
should
have
offered
to
you
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
,
we
shall
not
go
any
farther
now
,
I
know
not
how
many
Witnesses
will
be
produced
either
of
one
side
or
another
,
but
't
is
too
late
to
go
on
this
Morning
,
and
because
we
attend
here
only
upon
this
occasion
,
we
shall
go
on
with
the
Tryal
at
two
a
clock
in
the
afternoon
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
you
will
be
pleased
to
order
the
papers
for
me
to
peruse
in
the
mean
time
.
L.
c.
j.
We
have
ordered
that
you
shall
have
a
Transcript
of
the
paper
of
Instructions
,
leaving
out
that
which
is
scandalous
.
Coll.
I
desire
I
may
have
a
copy
of
the
whole
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
No
,
we
do
not
think
fit
to
do
that
.
Coll.
Pray
let
me
know
which
you
do
except
against
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
Mr.
Attorney
,
I
think
we
may
let
him
have
a
Copy
of
the
whole
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
My
Lord
,
before
you
rise
,
I
desire
,
you
would
please
to
take
the
Examination
of
Mr.
Gregory
,
about
Mr.
Starkey
.
L.
c.
j.
Sweatr
him
.
(
Which
was
done
.
)
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
do
you
know
concerning
Mr.
Starkey
,
and
what
he
did
offer
you
?
Gregory
.
When
they
came
,
by
your
Lordships
permission
,
to
Mr.
Colledge
,
they
brought
some
papers
which
they
delivered
to
him
:
And
afterwards
Mr.
Starkey
took
me
aside
,
and
told
me
it
was
hard
usage
that
the
Prisoner
could
not
have
his
Councel
permitted
to
come
to
him
.
Do
him
what
favour
you
can
,
and
I
shall
not
be
ungrateful
;
so
he
clapped
four
Guineys
in
my
hand
,
but
I
immediately
laid
them
down
upon
the
Table
,
and
would
not
take
them
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
My
Lord
,
I
desire
you
would
please
to
send
for
Mr.
Starkey
?
L.
c.
j.
Let
him
be
sent
for
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
You
must
go
and
take
up
Mr.
Starkey
.
Messenger
.
Must
I
keep
him
in
custody
?
I
don't
know
him
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
No
,
you
must
order
him
from
the
Court
to
attend
here
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
These
papers
Colledge
shall
not
be
debarr'd
of
,
for
his
Defence
,
nor
you
,
Mr.
Attorney
,
from
prosecuting
upon
them
.
L.
c.
j.
No
,
we
will
put
them
into
such
hands
as
shall
take
care
about
that
.
Coll.
Very
few
,
my
Lord
,
have
appeared
to
do
me
any
kindness
,
some
have
been
frightned
and
imprisoned
,
others
are
now
in
trouble
for
it
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Well
,
you
shall
have
the
use
of
your
papers
.
Coll.
May
I
have
any
Friends
come
to
see
me
in
the
mean
time
?
L.
c.
j.
They
must
not
come
to
you
in
the
Prison
to
give
you
advice
;
but
I
'll
tell
you
,
since
you
move
it
,
if
my
Brothers
think
it
convenient
,
whilst
the
Court
does
withdraw
,
any
body
of
your
Friends
may
come
to
you
,
in
the
presence
of
your
Keeper
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Certainly
you
cannot
think
we
can
give
a
priviledge
to
any
Friend
of
yours
to
commit
any
Demeanor
to
offer
Bribes
to
any
person
.
Coll.
I
know
not
of
any
such
thing
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
We
do
not
charge
you
with
it
,
but
Mr.
Starkey
did
.
Coll.
I
have
been
kept
a
strict
close
Prisoner
,
and
if
my
friends
are
so
kind
to
me
,
as
to
help
me
in
order
to
my
Defence
,
I
hope
you
will
not
be
against
it
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
have
my
papers
.
L.
c.
j.
You
shall
have
them
,
but
they
shall
be
put
into
such
hands
as
the
Court
may
have
command
over
;
they
shall
be
in
the
Sheriffs
Sons
hands
,
and
you
shall
have
the
immediate
use
of
them
.
Coll.
If
there
be
any
thing
else
in
those
papers
necessary
for
my
Defence
,
I
pray
I
may
have
it
.
L.
c.
j.
The
Speech
is
not
fit
for
you
,
what
other
papers
would
you
have
?
Coll.
Another
paper
there
is
,
that
is
something
of
Law
.
Mr.
Just.
Jones
.
Nothing
but
libellous
,
and
what
is
a
scandal
to
the
Government
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
are
to
have
nothing
of
matter
of
Law
,
but
what
you
are
to
propose
your self
.
Coll.
If
you
take
away
all
my
helps
,
I
cannot
propose
any
thing
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
To
allow
you
those
papers
,
is
to
allow
you
councel
by
a
side
Wind.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
the
papers
of
instructions
shall
be
delivered
to
the
Sheriffs
Son
,
who
shall
let
you
peruse
it
in
this
interval
,
and
make
use
of
it
in
your
Tryal
,
but
it
must
be
in
safe
custody
,
to
be
used
upon
further
occasion
,
as
the
Kings
Attorney
shall
think
fit
.
Then
the
Court
adjourn'd
till
2
in
the
Afternoon
.
Post
meridiem
.
At
2
a
clock
the
Court
returned
,
and
Proclamation
was
made
for
attendance
,
and
for
the
Under-Sheriff
to
return
his
Jury
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
ought
not
I
to
have
a
copy
of
this
Jury
?
L.
Ch.
Just.
No
,
they
are
to
look
upon
you
as
they
come
to
be
sworn
,
and
then
you
are
to
challenge
them
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Stephen
Colledge
,
hold
up
thy
hand
,
and
hearken
to
the
Court
;
those
good
men
that
you
shall
hear
called
,
and
personally
appear
,
are
to
pass
,
&c.
Colledge
.
Pray
Sir
let
the
way
be
clear
,
that
I
may
see
them
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Ay
,
Ay.
Coll.
Pray
,
Sir
,
how
many
are
there
of
the
Jury
that
appear
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
There
are
enough
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Make
Proclamation
for
Information
,
(
which
was
done
.
)
Cl.
of
cr
.
Henry
Standard
,
(
who
was
Sworn
,
)
Richard
Croke
,
(
who
was
challenged
by
the
Prisoner
,
)
William
Bigg
(
challenged
.
)
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Do
you
challenge
him
peremptorily
,
or
with
cause
?
L.
c.
j.
If
he
do
not
shew
cause
,
it
must
be
supposed
it
is
peremptory
.
Colledge
.
I
suppose
he
was
upon
the
Grand-Jury
.
L.
c.
j.
That
would
be
a
challenge
with
cause
.
Mr.
Bigg
,
No
,
I
was
not
.
Coll.
Then
I
do
not
challenge
him
;
I
know
him
not
.
He
was
Sworn
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Thomas
Marsh
,
challenged
.
Thomas
Martin
,
did
not
appear
.
Gabriel
Merry
,
being
almost
a
hundred
years
of
age
,
was
excused
.
Robert
Bird
,
Sworn
.
John
Shorter
,
Sworn
.
William
Windlow
,
Sworn
.
Edward
Ayres
,
challenged
.
William
Ayres
.
challenged
.
And
Richard
Ayres
,
challenged
.
Charles
Hobbs
,
Sworn
.
Roger
Browne
,
Sworn
.
Timothy
Doyley
,
Sworn
.
Richard
Dutton
,
challenged
.
Ralph
Wallis
,
Sworn
.
John
Nash
,
challenged
.
John
Benson
,
Sworn
.
John
Piercy
,
Sworn
.
William
We●●
,
challenged
.
And
John
Lawrence
,
Sworn
.
Then
they
were
counted
,
and
their
Names
in
Order
,
thus
.
-
Henry
Standard
-
William
Bigg
-
Robert
Bird
-
John
Shorter
-
William
Windlow
-
Charles
Hobbs
-
Roger
Browne
-
Timothy
Doyley
-
Ralph
Wallis
-
John
Benson
-
John
Piercy
-
John
Lawrence
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Sheriff
,
there
are
a
great
many
of
the
Jury
that
are
not
Sworn
,
they
are
discharged
,
let
them
go
out
of
the
Court
,
and
so
you
will
make
room
for
the
Witnesses
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Gentlemen
,
you
of
the
Jury
,
look
upon
the
Prisoner
,
and
hearken
to
his
Charge
.
He
stands
Indicted
by
the
name
of
Stephen
Colledge
,
late
of
Oxford
,
in
the
County
of
Oxford
,
Carpenter
;
for
that
he
as
a
false
Traytor
,
&c.
proved
in
the
Indictment
,
mutatis
mutandis
,
and
upon
this
Indictment
he
hath
been
Arraigned
,
&c.
Mr.
North.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
and
you
Gentlemen
that
are
Sworn
,
this
is
an
Indictment
against
Stephen
Colledge
,
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
for
an
endeavour
to
raise
a
Rebellion
within
this
Kingdom
wherein
he
is
accused
,
and
the
Jury
find
that
he
as
a
false
Traytor
against
the
Kings
Majesty
,
contrary
to
the
duty
of
his
Allegiance
,
on
the
10th
.
of
March
,
in
the
33d
.
year
of
the
Kings
Reign
,
at
Oxon.
here
did
trayterously
conspire
,
and
compass
the
death
of
the
King
,
and
the
Subversion
of
the
Government
,
and
to
raise
a
Rebellion
in
the
Kingdom
,
and
to
slaughter
his
Majesties
Subjects
,
to
put
the
King
to
death
,
to
levy
War
against
him
▪
and
to
deprive
him
of
his
Royal
State
and
Government
,
and
to
alter
the
Government
at
his
own
Will
and
Pleasure
;
and
to
accomplish
this
,
he
did
at
Oxon.
here
prepare
Arms
for
the
carrying
on
the
War
,
and
excited
one
Edward
Turbervile
and
others
,
to
arm
themselves
against
the
accomplishment
of
this
Design
,
and
did
declare
his
purpose
was
to
seise
the
Kings
person
at
Oxon.
and
that
he
was
one
of
those
that
was
to
do
it
;
and
to
bring
the
said
Turbervile
and
other
Subjects
to
his
purpose
,
did
falsly
,
maliciously
,
and
traiterously
declare
in
their
Hearing
,
that
there
was
no
good
to
be
expected
from
the
King
,
that
he
minded
nothing
but
the
Destruction
of
his
people
,
and
Arbitrary
Government
,
and
to
introduce
Popery
.
And
this
is
laid
to
be
against
the
Duty
of
his
Allegiance
,
against
the
Kings
peace
,
and
against
the
form
of
the
Statutes
in
those
cases
made
and
provided
.
The
Prisoner
you
hear
upon
his
Arraignment
hath
pleaded
Not
guilty
,
which
Issue
you
are
to
try
,
and
if
the
Evidence
for
the
King
,
which
are
ready
to
be
produced
,
prove
that
which
is
laid
to
his
charge
,
you
are
to
find
it
accordingly
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
and
you
Gentlemen
of
the
Jury
.
The
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
stands
indicted
of
a
very
high
crime
,
no
less
then
High
Treason
,
and
that
too
of
the
deepest
dye
;
it
is
for
an
Endeavour
to
destroy
the
King
,
to
subvert
the
Government
,
to
raise
a
Rebellion
amongst
the
Kings
Subjects
.
And
Gentlemen
,
those
Instances
that
we
shall
give
you
,
and
produce
our
Evidence
to
for
the
proof
of
that
,
are
these
.
He
laid
his
Design
to
seise
the
King
at
Oxon.
and
he
did
not
want
his
Accomplices
to
do
it
,
but
they
were
not
men
,
Gentlemen
,
that
were
Protestants
,
but
men
that
were
Rebels
in
the
late
War
,
they
were
men
of
such
a
kidney
,
that
he
associated
himself
with
,
and
these
were
the
persons
that
were
to
assist
in
this
Attempt
.
In
order
to
this
he
had
prepared
Arms
in
an
extraordinary
manner
,
Arms
of
a
great
value
for
one
of
his
condition
,
who
is
by
Trade
a
Joyner
;
for
if
a
true
estimate
were
taken
of
the
value
of
the
Arms
;
I
believe
they
were
worth
twice
his
whole
Estate
;
he
prepared
a
good
Horse
,
extraordinary
Pistols
,
a
Carbine
,
a
Coat
of
Maile
,
an
Head-piece
,
and
so
being
armed
Cap-a-pee
,
with
that
design
he
came
hither
to
Oxon.
And
you
will
judge
whether
these
be
fit
Tools
for
a
Joyner
.
Colledge
.
I
beseech
you
Sir
,
have
you
any
body
to
prove
this
?
if
you
have
not
,
you
do
hurt
to
the
Jury
as
well
as
me
,
to
speak
it
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Be
patient
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
let
Mr.
Attorney
go
on
to
open
the
Charge
.
I
will
tell
you
and
the
Jury
too
,
that
what
he
says
further
then
he
makes
good
by
proof
and
Witnesses
,
will
serve
for
nothing
.
Coll.
'T
is
hard
the
Counsel
should
plead
against
me
,
and
open
things
that
he
can't
prove
.
L.
ch.
just
.
I
will
do
you
all
the
right
imaginable
,
and
therefore
I
do
tell
you
again
,
if
they
do
not
prove
it
,
all
he
says
is
nothing
.
Colledge
.
But
I
beseech
you
my
Lord
,
since
there
hath
been
such
extraordinary
means
,
and
methods
used
to
contrive
my
Death
,
that
the
Witnesses
may
be
examined
apart
,
and
far
from
the
hearing
one
of
another
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
That
we
will
take
care
of
by
and
by
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Colledge
.
This
shews
your
temper
,
you
are
very
inordinate
in
your
way
of
expressing
your self
.
Colledge
.
Mr.
Attorney
,
I
should
not
interrupt
you
,
if
I
were
not
afraid
this
was
spoken
to
possess
the
Jury
.
Mr.
At.
G.
I
hope
to
prove
what
I
have
said
,
or
every
word
of
it
shall
pass
for
nothing
.
Coll.
'T
is
impossible
for
all
the
men
on
earth
to
prove
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Gentlemen
,
these
were
the
particulars
I
was
opening
to
you
,
in
what
manner
he
was
armed
,
and
how
accoutred
he
came
hither
.
We
shall
likewise
shew
you
that
he
made
it
his
business
to
perswade
others
to
undertake
the
Design
,
and
joyn
with
him
,
and
as
if
open
War
were
already
declared
;
he
gave
out
a
sign
,
which
was
a
blue
Ribbon
,
a
wrought
Ribbon
with
letters
in
it
,
and
this
was
the
mark
and
sign
they
were
to
know
one
another
by
.
This
was
given
out
by
him
frequently
;
and
that
it
may
not
seem
an
extraordinary
thing
,
Gentlemen
,
though
indeed
it
was
a
wild
atempt
,
yet
you
will
cease
to
wonder
when
you
have
heard
of
the
exploit
of
Venner
,
who
with
a
few
men
raised
such
a
commotion
soon
after
the
Kings
coming
in
,
and
the
several
exploits
that
have
of
late
in
Scotland
been
carried
on
by
a
few
discontented
persons
.
So
that
men
of
the
like
Principles
,
as
we
shall
give
you
an
account
of
this
Gentlemans
Principles
what
they
were
,
may
well
be
thought
to
ingage
in
such
an
extraordinary
exploit
.
And
we
shall
prove
what
the
incouragement
was
he
was
to
have
;
for
he
boasted
of
himself
,
that
he
should
be
in
a
little
time
a
Collonel
.
Colledge
.
What
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
A
Collonel
,
a
great
preferment
for
a
Joyner
.
Colledge
.
Yes
,
it
was
so
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
shall
shew
to
you
that
this
was
not
a
sudden
unpremeditated
thing
:
for
we
shall
prove
that
he
had
entertained
the
horridst
malice
against
the
King
that
ever
Subject
entertained
against
his
Sovereign
:
For
we
shall
give
this
evidence
,
and
his
Front
will
not
oppose
it
,
that
he
had
made
it
his
common
discourse
in
Coffee-Houses
,
and
publick
Houses
,
(
and
I
believe
I
could
bring
you
40
and
40
Witnesses
to
it
)
to
defame
the
King
,
and
murder
him
in
his
Reputation
,
and
was
one
of
the
Complices
with
Fitz
Harris
,
who
lately
was
executed
for
that
venomous
Libel
:
We
shall
prove
that
he
justified
it
,
and
maintained
it
to
be
as
true
as
the
Gospel
.
We
shall
give
evidence
that
he
carried
on
the
same
design
with
that
Arch-Traytor
who
was
a
Papist
;
and
I
believe
if
this
Gentleman
were
examined
throughly
,
he
would
be
found
to
be
one
of
the
same
Stamp
,
and
acted
by
the
same
Principle
;
for
I
think
that
no
Protestant
Subject
would
attempt
such
things
as
we
shall
prove
to
you
.
I
believe
,
Gentlemen
,
you
have
frequently
heard
,
as
none
of
us
but
have
,
that
the
King
hath
been
traduced
as
a
Designer
of
Arbitrary
Government
,
and
his
Reputation
blasted
maliciously
,
and
falsly
,
as
an
Introducer
of
Popery
:
Whence
comes
all
this
generally
,
but
out
of
the
Popish
Quiver
,
who
make
it
their
business
to
set
the
Kings
good
Subjects
at
variance
amongst
themselves
;
and
against
their
Prince
,
by
styling
the
King
a
Papist
,
as
this
person
hath
done
;
nay
,
he
hath
been
so
impudent
as
to
report
that
the
King
was
in
the
Plot
against
his
own
life
.
We
shall
prove
to
you
,
how
here
and
at
other
places
he
hath
frequently
done
this
.
To
go
further
,
we
shall
produce
to
you
the
evidence
that
he
drew
the
King's
Picture
,
and
exposed
him
in
all
the
reproachful
characters
imaginable
;
and
that
the
Picture
might
be
the
better
understood
,
he
adds
a
Ballad
to
it
:
And
that
he
may
not
have
the
confidence
to
say
this
is
not
true
,
we
shall
produce
to
you
a
whole
bundle
of
these
papers
,
among
those
which
his
Son
made
a
discovery
of
,
when
they
were
sent
to
his
Uncle
to
be
hid
,
and
we
shall
prove
him
to
be
the
Author
of
them
;
and
yet
that
this
man
should
have
the
confidence
to
say
he
is
a
good
Subject
and
a
good
Protestant
,
when
by
all
ways
imaginable
he
goes
about
to
ruin
the
Government
,
and
defame
the
King
!
And
Gentlemen
when
we
have
given
you
this
account
by
Witnesses
,
for
I
would
have
you
believe
me
in
nothing
,
but
according
as
I
prove
it
,
you
will
not
wonder
then
that
he
should
say
his
Life
is
in
danger
,
(
for
so
it
is
indeed
.
)
And
if
any
man
ever
was
Guilty
of
High
Treason
,
sure
he
is
,
and
being
Guilty
of
the
greatest
Treason
,
he
deserves
the
severest
Punishment
.
Colledge
.
Pray
Gentlemen
of
the
Jury
,
take
Mr.
Attorney
at
his
word
,
and
remember
Sir
,
you
desire
not
to
be
believed
your self
,
but
what
you
prove
.
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
and
Gentlemen
,
pursuant
to
what
Mr.
Attorney
hath
opened
,
we
will
call
our
Witnesses
,
and
we
will
begin
with
Mr.
Dugdale
,
who
was
a
Witness
against
my
Lord
Stafford
,
at
his
Tryal
in
Parliament
,
whose
credit
Mr.
Colledge
did
attest
at
that
Tryal
,
asserting
him
to
be
an
honest
good
man
,
and
I
believe
his
evidence
will
go
in
a
great
measure
thro●●l
that
Mr.
Attorn.
hath
opened
,
&
when
we
have
done
with
him
,
we
hope
to
second
him
with
other
Witnesses
of
as
good
credit
,
and
that
will
say
as
much
to
the
purpose
.
Then
Mr.
Dugdale
was
sworn
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Dugdale
,
look
upon
the
Prisoner
,
and
tell
the
Court
whether
you
know
him
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Yes
,
I
do
know
him
Sir
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Will
you
give
us
an
account
of
your
knowledge
of
him
?
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
humbly
desire
they
may
be
examined
apart
,
and
not
in
the
hearing
one
of
another
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
That
with
submission
ought
not
to
be
in
the
Kings
Case
,
though
we
think
there
are
none
of
them
,
that
will
speak
any
more
then
the
Truth
.
Colledge
.
Here
are
several
of
them
my
Lord
,
they
are
all
of
a
gang
.
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
Not
of
your
gang
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Colledge
.
I
pray
they
may
go
out
my
Lord.
(
Which
was
done
accordingly
.
)
Mr.
Dugd.
If
your
Lordships
please
,
whether
or
no
I
may
deliver
in
these
papers
?
Mr.
At.
G.
By
&
by
,
time
enough
when
we
ask
for
them
,
speak
your
own
knowledg
.
Mr.
Dugd.
My
Lord
,
I
have
been
I
think
acquainted
with
Mr.
Colledge
2
years
or
thereabouts
.
I
have
been
several
times
in
Mr.
Colledges
company
,
and
truly
sometimes
he
hath
been
mightily
bent
against
Popery
;
he
hath
at
sometimes
uttered
himself
,
because
the
King
did
not
prosecute
the
Papists
according
as
he
thought
sufficiently
,
that
the
King
was
a
Papist
himself
,
that
he
was
as
deep
in
the
Plot
as
any
Papist
of
them
all
,
that
he
had
an
Hand
in
Sir
Edmondbury
Godfry's
Death
.
This
Mr.
Colledge
I
appeal
to
your self
,
whether
you
have
not
said
it
:
And
in
this
Town
of
Oxford
you
have
several
times
told
me
that
nothing
was
to
be
expected
from
him
,
he
would
no
nothing
.
Mr.
just
Levinz
.
Who
did
tell
you
so
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Mr.
Colledge
did
tell
me
that
there
was
nothing
to
be
expected
from
the
King
,
but
the
introducing
of
Popery
and
Arbitrary
Government
,
this
I
belive
Mr.
Colledge
will
acknowledge
to
be
true
.
Coll.
Where
was
this
spoken
?
Mr.
Dugd.
This
was
spoken
at
a
Coffee-House
,
called
Combe's
Coffee-House
in
this
Town
,
and
at
the
Angel-Inn
in
this
Town
at
a
Barbers
Shop
;
that
day
the
King
went
out
of
Town
,
we
were
in
the
same
Shop
.
Coll.
Who
was
there
besides
?
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Do
not
interrupt
our
Witnesses
,
let
us
have
done
with
him
,
and
you
shall
have
time
to
ask
him
questions
after
.
L.
c.
j.
For
your
Instruction
,
I
will
tell
you
,
your
time
is
not
yet
come
,
if
you
chop
in
,
and
interrupt
the
Witnesses
,
you
will
disturb
any
man
living
;
but
your
way
is
this
,
when
he
hath
delivered
his
testimony
,
ask
him
any
questions
then
,
and
he
shall
be
bound
to
answer
you
,
and
in
the
mean
time
you
shall
have
pen
,
ink
and
paper
,
to
help
your
memory
.
Mr.
Dugd.
That
day
the
King
went
out
of
Town
,
presently
after
he
went
,
you
and
I
went
into
the
Angel-Inn
:
and
we
went
into
the
Barbers-Shop
that
is
just
within
the
Inn
,
and
being
charging
your
Pistols
there
,
you
said
Rowley
was
gone
,
the
Rogue
was
afraid
of
himself
,
he
was
shirked
away
,
and
here
I
appeal
to
your
own
conscience
,
whether
you
did
not
speak
it
?
Coll.
I
know
nothing
of
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Don't
appeal
to
him
,
't
is
nothing
for
that
.
Mt.
Sol.
Gen.
Who
did
he
mean
by
Rowley
?
Mr.
Dugd.
The
King
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Was
that
his
common
application
for
the
King
?
Mr.
Dugd.
It
was
his
common
word
concerning
the
King
.
And
at
other
times
speaking
that
the
King
did
not
do
those
things
that
were
fair
,
he
hath
given
mighty
great
words
against
him
:
He
hath
told
me
that
there
was
no
trust
to
be
put
in
him
;
for
it
was
the
People
we
must
trust
to
,
and
we
must
look
to
arm
our selves
,
and
that
he
would
arm
himself
,
and
be
here
at
Oxford
,
and
he
told
me
here
in
the
Town
accordingly
,
when
I
came
out
of
the
Countrey
,
and
he
said
that
he
had
several
stout
men
that
would
stand
by
him
in
it
.
Their
intention
was
,
as
he
said
,
for
the
rooting
out
of
Popery
,
by
which
name
he
always
termed
the
Church
that
is
now
established
by
Law
,
as
to
be
of
the
same
nature
the
Papists
were
.
This
I
believe
Mr.
Colledge
will
acknowledge
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Well
,
go
on
Sir
.
Mr.
Dugd.
And
at
a
time
when
he
had
Dr.
Tongue
at
his
House
,
he
told
me
,
that
as
for
Dr.
Tongue
,
he
had
much
ado
with
him
,
and
he
had
been
at
a
great
charge
to
keep
him
in
order
,
that
he
was
forced
to
neglect
his
own
business
to
look
after
him
;
for
if
he
had
not
done
so
,
the
Rogue
,
as
he
said
,
had
a
mind
to
fling
all
upon
the
Protestants
,
that
is
,
the
Dissenters
;
for
he
does
not
count
the
Church
of
England
to
be
so
;
that
he
had
much
ado
to
keep
him
in
order
;
for
he
had
said
he
had
drawn
Papers
to
that
purpose
,
but
those
papers
are
secured
;
for
where
they
are
,
I
can't
tell
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Who
were
they
that
were
to
be
with
him
in
that
design
of
his
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
told
me
Captain
Chinton
,
Captain
Browne
,
and
one
Dr.
Lewes
,
and
he
brought
them
into
Town
here
,
when
he
came
with
him
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
To
what
purpose
did
he
bring
them
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Expecting
there
would
be
a
rising
.
Mr.
jones
.
Did
he
tell
you
that
here
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Yes
,
the
Friday
,
I
think
it
was
,
after
the
Parliament
first
sat
.
Mr.
jones
.
How
did
he
express
himself
?
what
they
had
to
do
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
They
were
to
be
here
,
in
case
there
were
any
rising
,
which
he
expected
.
Mr.
jones
.
What
use
did
he
say
he
would
make
of
them
?
Mr.
Dugd.
For
the
defence
of
the
Protestant
Religion
,
against
the
King
and
all
his
Adherents
.
Mr.
jones
.
What
did
he
say
he
would
do
to
the
King
?
I
would
not
lead
you
.
Mr.
Dugd.
He
did
not
say
what
particularly
.
Mr.
jones
.
What
did
he
say
if
the
King
did
not
yield
to
the
Parliament
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
If
the
King
did
not
yield
to
the
Parliament
,
he
should
be
forced
to
it
.
Mr.
jones
.
Where
did
you
hear
him
say
that
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
At
Oxford
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Did
you
hear
him
declare
this
at
London
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
did
say
at
London
,
he
expected
there
would
be
something
done
at
Oxford
,
and
that
he
would
go
thither
with
his
Horse
and
Arms
,
and
those
Gentlemen
I
named
before
would
go
with
him
.
And
he
said
,
let
them
begin
when
they
would
,
he
did
not
care
how
soon
,
his
party
was
the
greatest
party
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
was
that
Capt.
Brown
?
did
you
know
him
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
I
knew
him
very
well
;
he
did
much
frequent
Mr.
Colledge's
company
;
he
was
in
the
late
Army
against
the
King
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Did
you
see
him
have
any
Pistols
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
I
have
seen
him
carry
Pistols
about
him
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Where
,
in
his
Pocket
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
saw
them
in
the
House
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
At
Oxford
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Mr.
Serj.
Hollaway
.
Did
you
see
them
in
his
hand
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
cannot
tell
that
,
he
had
them
in
the
House
,
I
saw
them
there
.
Mr.
Serj.
Hollaway
.
Did
you
see
him
in
his
Silk
Armour
about
the
Parliament-House
,
the
Lobby
,
or
any
place
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
cannot
say
that
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
did
you
know
of
his
delivering
any
marks
or
signs
for
persons
to
be
distinguished
by
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
had
as
much
Ribbon
from
him
as
came
to
forty
shillings
,
with
no
Popery
,
no
Slavery
wrought
in
it
;
and
he
gave
it
me
to
distribute
among
my
Friends
in
the
Countrey
,
that
they
might
be
known
by
other
persons
that
would
wear
the
same
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Where
had
you
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
At
London
,
from
Mr.
Colledge
.
Mr.
jones
.
Where
was
it
to
be
distributed
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Among
those
that
I
knew
to
be
Dissenters
in
the
Countrey
.
Mr.
jones
.
Were
you
to
come
to
Oxford
;
by
agreement
,
with
mr
.
Colledge
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
promised
him
to
come
to
Oxford
,
and
did
so
.
Mr.
Attorn.
Gen.
Well
,
go
on
,
what
more
do
you
know
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
At
London
I
was
once
at
a
Coffee-House
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
with
some
of
the
members
of
the
House
of
Commons
;
it
was
a
little
before
they
met
;
and
they
were
earnestly
talking
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
;
and
of
some
disturbance
that
was
likely
to
happen
here
.
And
it
was
then
fully
agreed
,
and
Mr.
Colledg
was
by
,
that
it
would
be
the
best
way
,
out
of
every
County
,
where
the
Parliament
had
the
best
interest
in
the
people
,
to
leave
one
in
every
County
that
might
manage
the
people
.
This
I
appeal
to
Mr.
Colledge
whether
it
be
true
.
Colledge
.
You
appeal
to
me
.
Shall
I
speak
now
,
my
Lord
?
Mr.
jones
.
No
,
you
will
remember
it
by
and
by
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
do
you
know
of
any
Pictures
?
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Pray
let
him
speak
that
over
again
which
he
mentioned
last
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Being
in
a
Coffee-House
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
there
were
some
of
the
members
of
the
House
of
Commons
by
;
and
speaking
of
a
disturbance
that
might
happen
here
at
Oxford
;
it
was
then
agreed
,
that
in
every
Quarter
where
the
Parliament
had
the
most
interest
in
the
people
,
they
should
not
all
come
up
,
but
some
remain
there
to
manage
the
people
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
do
you
know
of
any
Pictures
or
Papers
,
have
you
any
about
you
:
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Yes
,
I
have
one
thing
I
have
received
from
Mr.
Colledge
,
that
is
,
the
Letter
pretended
to
be
intercepted
to
Roger
L'Estrange
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
,
what
account
did
he
give
you
of
it
?
who
made
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
told
me
he
was
the
Author
of
it
himself
,
and
he
shewed
me
it
in
manuscript
before
it
was
printed
;
and
he
told
me
,
he
got
one
Curtis
or
his
Wife
to
print
it
;
but
he
would
never
trust
them
again
,
for
they
cheated
him
of
some
of
the
Gain
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Who
was
the
Author
did
he
say
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
He
himself
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
produce
it
Sir
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
This
and
others
he
delivered
to
me
to
disperse
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
What
is
it
mr
.
Attorney
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
It
is
a
Letter
,
and
a
great
part
of
Fitz-Harris's
Libel
is
taken
out
;
it
seems
Colledge
was
the
Author
,
and
this
is
the
Original
of
the
Libel
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Did
he
tell
you
this
was
of
his
making
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
disperse
them
to
any
body
else
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Yes
,
there
were
some
given
to
one
Mr.
Boson
,
he
had
some
at
the
same
time
,
and
Mr.
Baldwin
had
some
.
Then
the
Paper
was
read
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
First
Q.
Whether
they
that
talk
—
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
give
my
Lord
an
account
what
more
papers
and
Libels
he
delivered
to
you
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
received
one
like
this
,
I
cannot
say
it
was
the
same
,
where
all
the
Bishops
were
changing
their
Hats
for
Cardinal
Caps
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Where
is
Rary
Shew
;
for
it
seems
he
hath
expounded
the
meaning
of
that
.
(
Then
it
was
produced
.
)
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
I
suppose
't
is
his
own
cutting
too
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
heard
Mr.
Colledge
sing
it
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Where
?
Mr.
Dugd.
In
Oxfordshire
,
and
in
Oxford
Town
,
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Where
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
?
Mr.
Dugd.
At
his
House
in
the
Countrey
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Who
were
in
the
company
there
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Sir
Robert
Clayton
,
Sir
Thomas
Player
,
Mr.
Rouse
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
You
say
you
heard
him
in
Oxford
,
and
in
Oxfordshire
,
and
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
,
where
is
that
?
L.
c.
j.
My
Lord
.
Lovelace
is
here
himself
,
and
hears
what
he
says
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
might
mistake
the
County
,
but
I
heard
him
sing
it
at
Oxford
Town
,
and
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
House
again
.
L.
c.
j.
Where
is
that
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
cannot
tell
the
Town
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
How
came
you
there
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Sir
Thomas
Player
did
invite
me
thither
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Where
is
it
in
Oxfordshire
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
cannot
tell
,
't
is
four
miles
from
Henly
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Was
my
Lord
at
home
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
he
was
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Now
for
the
Cut
then
;
Did
he
shew
you
this
Cut
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
he
told
me
he
would
get
it
printed
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Was
it
before
it
was
printed
then
that
he
sung
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
it
was
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Who
did
he
tell
you
did
make
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
told
me
he
was
the
Author
of
this
Cut
,
and
he
gave
me
one
,
and
we
sang
it
together
presently
after
it
was
printed
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
How
did
he
describe
it
to
you
,
when
he
shewed
it
to
you
?
Mr.
Dugd.
That
which
hath
the
Pack
on
the
back
of
it
,
he
described
to
be
the
King
;
those
that
follow
him
were
Topham
,
Cooper
,
Hughs
,
and
Snow
;
and
that
company
of
men
there
is
the
House
of
Commons
.
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
What
was
meant
by
the
Pack
?
Mr.
Dugd.
The
Parliament
and
all
his
Retinue
;
and
then
here
is
the
King
in
the
mire
again
,
according
as
't
is
represented
in
the
Long
—
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Ay
,
he
goes
on
well
.
And
this
here
is
the
Bishops
which
they
thrust
into
the
Pack
when
they
have
got
him
down
into
the
mire
,
and
then
they
thrust
them
all
away
,
as
it
is
in
the
Song
,
to
hoot
them
away
.
L.
c.
j.
Did
he
make
this
explication
to
you
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Who
were
the
All
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
King
and
Clergy-men
and
all
.
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
Where
was
this
he
explained
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
At
London
.
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
Is
there
any
thing
relating
to
White-hall
?
what
name
did
he
give
that
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
he
said
,
Louse-hall
was
White-hall
,
because
of
its
poverty
.
Then
the
Ballad
was
read
.
Cl.
of
cr
.
Rarp
Shew
.
To
the
Tune
of
,
I
am
a
Sensless
thing
—
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
This
shews
you
what
sort
of
man
he
is
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Here
you
say
he
explained
this
with
the
Pack
at
the
back
to
be
the
King
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
he
told
me
so
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
What
did
he
mean
by
the
two
Faces
?
Mr.
Dugd.
That
he
was
half
Protestant
,
and
half
Papist
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Did
he
make
any
comparison
between
his
own
party
and
the
Kings
party
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
said
they
were
but
an
handful
to
them
.
Mr.
Jones
.
To
whom
?
Mr.
Dugd.
To
his
party
,
that
was
the
Dissenters
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Speak
that
out
.
Mr.
Dugd.
That
their
party
was
but
a
handful
to
theirs
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Theirs
and
theirs
,
who
did
he
mean
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
meant
the
Dissenters
,
for
the
Church
of
England
he
reckoned
among
the
Papists
.
L.
c.
j.
Tell
us
the
words
he
said
.
Mr.
Dugd.
He
said
,
his
party
was
the
true
Church
of
England
,
and
that
which
is
established
by
Law
,
were
but
Protestants
in
masquerade
.
Mr.
jones
.
Tell
us
when
he
made
the
comparison
,
what
words
he
did
use
,
and
upon
what
occasion
.
Mr.
Dugd.
When
he
perceived
the
King
at
Oxford
would
not
yield
to
the
House
of
Commons
,
he
said
,
Let
him
begin
as
soon
as
he
would
,
he
did
not
care
how
soon
he
did
begin
,
for
their
party
▪
meaning
the
King
and
his
party
,
was
but
an
handful
to
him
and
his
party
,
calling
them
the
true
Protestants
,
the
others
were
Protestants
in
masquerade
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
did
he
desire
you
to
do
,
to
be
assisting
in
any
thing
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
always
desired
me
to
be
true
of
that
side
,
he
hoped
I
was
,
and
to
get
good
Arms
for
my self
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Did
he
in
Oxford
desire
this
of
you
?
Mr.
Dugd.
No
he
did
not
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
For
what
purpose
did
he
desire
you
to
arm
your self
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
said
the
King
had
a
design
on
the
people
to
introduce
Popery
and
Arbitrary
Government
,
and
he
expected
every
day
when
they
would
begin
,
and
the
sooner
the
better
,
he
would
be
provided
for
them
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Was
that
in
Oxford
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
spoke
it
in
Oxford
,
and
in
the
City
too
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Did
he
tell
you
of
any
that
were
listed
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
spoke
of
Capt.
Brown
,
and
Capt.
Clinton
,
and
Don
Lewes
,
and
abundance
more
he
said
he
had
.
Mr.
jones
.
Did
he
tell
you
he
had
them
here
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
about
forty
of
them
were
there
he
said
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Did
he
tell
you
of
any
that
were
listed
,
in
order
to
the
coming
down
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Not
listed
,
but
were
intended
to
come
down
;
and
at
Oxford
he
told
me
they
were
come
down
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Were
you
in
their
company
in
Oxford
here
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
I
was
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
In
the
company
of
whom
?
name
them
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Of
Capt.
Brown
,
Don
Lewes
,
and
several
others
of
that
Gang
;
I
know
not
their
names
,
but
I
know
their
faces
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Did
he
take
notice
to
you
that
they
were
come
down
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
To
what
purpose
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
expected
there
would
be
a
rising
in
Oxford
,
and
to
this
purpose
.
Mr.
Colledge
was
one
that
debated
it
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
,
and
it
was
to
be
carried
from
thence
to
the
Kings-Head
Club
,
Whether
it
were
not
best
to
leave
a
Parliament
man
in
every
County
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Where
was
this
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
This
was
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
in
London
,
against
they
met
here
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
could
give
you
an
account
of
a
volume
of
these
things
,
abundance
of
scandalous
Pamphlets
,
both
Songs
,
Libels
,
and
Ballads
,
that
were
made
by
this
Gentleman
,
and
all
seized
in
his
custody
.
Mr.
jones
.
But
he
sung
this
Libel
?
Mr.
Attorn.
Gen.
All
these
,
Gentlemen
,
(
shewing
a
great
bundle
)
were
to
be
dispersed
over
England
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
It
was
,
it
seems
,
expounded
and
sung
by
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
;
he
gave
you
the
Ballad
here
at
Oxford
,
you
say
,
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Mr.
Dugd.
No
,
I
heard
him
sing
it
here
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Pray
,
Mr.
Dugdale
,
what
was
the
use
was
to
be
made
of
this
Ballad
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Come
,
go
to
the
next
,
we
call
this
Evidence
to
shew
you
the
malice
of
the
man
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
ask
some
Questions
of
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Ay
,
now
let
the
Prisoner
ask
his
Questions
(
to
do
him
right
)
before
we
go
to
another
Witness
.
Mr.
Dugd.
My
Lord
,
I
have
a
word
or
two
more
about
a
Libel
in
manuscript
;
that
very
day
the
Sheriffs
were
to
be
chosen
,
it
was
to
be
printed
,
and
he
told
me
the
Printer
dust
not
print
it
,
it
was
so
dangerous
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
What
was
it
,
can
you
remember
any
part
of
it
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
No
,
but
it
was
the
worst
I
ever
heard
in
my
life
,
against
the
King
and
Government
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Now
ask
him
what
Questions
you
will
.
Coll.
Pray
,
when
was
the
first
time
you
gave
this
Evidence
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Truly
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
I
don't
keep
an
account
of
time
,
I
cannot
give
an
account
of
time
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
As
near
as
you
can
,
tell
him
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
I
cannot
tell
whether
it
might
be
in
June
,
I
think
it
was
.
Colledge
.
How
long
before
I
was
taken
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
It
might
be
about
the
time
you
were
taken
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
who
did
you
give
it
before
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
gave
it
to
Sir
Lionel
Jenkins
.
Colledge
.
Where
did
you
swear
these
particulars
were
done
then
?
Mr.
Dugd.
What
was
done
in
the
City
,
I
swore
to
be
done
there
.
Colledge
.
What
City
?
Mr.
Dugd.
London
;
the
same
words
were
said
in
the
City
of
London
,
and
over
again
here
.
I
have
repeated
,
for
the
most
part
,
only
the
words
you
said
here
,
but
more
was
in
the
City
than
here
.
Colledge
.
Did
you
swear
then
,
that
the
words
you
swear
now
were
spoken
at
London
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
It
may
be
we
might
not
name
Oxford
then
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
He
says
well
;
it
might
not
be
named
then
.
Colledge
.
Then
you
did
give
in
your
Information
,
that
I
spoke
these
words
at
Oxford
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
was
not
examined
about
what
was
done
at
Oxford
;
but
I
believe
I
have
heard
you
speak
the
same
words
to
me
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
,
but
I
do
not
know
what
County
that
is
in
.
Colledge
.
I
ask
you
positively
,
whether
you
did
not
swear
that
what
you
now
say
was
spoken
at
Oxford
,
was
spoken
at
London
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
did
not
name
Oxford
then
.
Colledge
.
But
did
not
you
say
that
was
done
at
London
,
that
now
you
say
was
done
here
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Truly
,
you
said
them
both
at
London
,
and
here
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
Mr.
Dugdale
,
what
had
you
to
give
this
your
information
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Truly
I
can't
say
I
have
received
the
worth
of
a
Groat
.
Colledge
.
Nor
was
ever
promised
any
thing
?
Mr.
Dugd.
No
,
I
never
received
any
thing
,
nor
ever
was
promised
,
but
only
what
the
King
gave
me
for
going
down
into
the
Countrey
for
my
charges
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Was
that
the
same
Allowance
you
had
when
you
were
Witness
for
the
Popish
Plot
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Have
you
any
other
Allowance
than
what
you
had
before
,
when
you
gave
Evidence
at
my
Lord
Stafford's
Tryal
?
Mr.
Dugd.
No
,
nor
have
got
all
that
yet
neither
.
Coll.
But
pray
observe
my
question
,
Mr.
Dugdale
,
and
answer
it
:
Did
you
not
swear
at
London
that
I
spoke
these
words
there
,
which
now
you
say
I
spoke
here
.
L.
c.
j.
Pray
observe
,
he
says
he
did
not
then
name
Oxford
;
but
in
the
giving
of
his
Evidence
now
,
he
tells
you
a
series
of
what
passed
between
London
and
Oxford
;
and
I
must
tell
you
further
,
if
a
Treason
be
committed
,
and
the
Evidence
prove
it
to
be
in
two
Countries
,
the
King
may
choose
which
County
he
will
prosecute
and
bring
his
Indictment
in
,
and
give
in
Evidence
the
Facts
in
both
Counties
.
But
you
shall
have
your
Objection
to
it
afterwards
,
and
we
will
take
it
into
consideration
.
I
tell
you
this
,
that
it
may
not
seem
to
you
that
the
Witnesses
speak
impertinently
of
what
was
done
at
London
;
but
if
nothing
was
done
or
said
at
Oxford
,
then
it
will
be
taken
into
consideration
,
you
shall
have
it
saved
afterwards
,
I
only
him
it
now
,
that
you
may
not
think
it
impertinent
.
Coll.
I
beseech
your
Lordship
give
me
leave
to
speak
one
word
;
When
he
made
his
Affidavit
before
Sir
Lionel
Jenkins
there
about
seizing
the
King
,
about
the
party
I
had
,
and
the
Arms
I
had
provided
,
ought
not
he
at
the
same
time
to
have
said
where
I
said
those
words
to
him
?
but
he
did
swear
then
it
was
in
London
that
I
said
those
words
to
him
;
and
coming
before
a
Grand
Jury
of
honest
Gentlemen
in
London
,
they
were
so
wise
and
honest
as
to
do
me
Justice
,
and
not
find
the
Bill
;
so
their
design
failing
there
,
then
they
changed
it
to
Oxford
.
L.
c.
j.
You
did
not
come
to
your
Tryal
there
,
if
you
had
so
done
,
then
they
would
have
asked
him
in
particular
what
was
said
at
Oxford
,
and
what
at
London
,
as
't
is
now
,
being
done
in
both
Counties
.
But
look
you
,
if
you
will
ask
any
particular
questions
,
do
,
for
they
have
other
Witnesses
to
produce
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
only
ask
this
question
,
Whether
it
be
not
rational
to
think
,
that
when
he
swore
before
Sir
Lionel
Jenkins
,
he
should
not
swear
the
words
were
spoken
,
and
things
done
?
Mr.
Dugd.
He
hath
said
the
same
words
to
me
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
,
as
I
lay
in
Bed
with
him
,
and
this
I
never
mentioned
but
now
in
my
Evidence
.
Coll.
What
words
did
I
say
there
?
Mr.
Dugd.
If
you
must
have
them
repeated
,
they
were
about
the
King
.
Coll.
What
were
they
?
Mr.
Dugd.
That
he
was
a
Papist
,
and
designed
Arbitrary
Government
.
Coll.
Did
I
say
so
to
you
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
as
we
lay
a
Bed
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Did
you
lye
together
?
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Yes
,
yes
,
they
were
intimates
.
Colledge
.
I
had
not
six
words
with
you
when
you
went
to
Bed
;
for
you
said
you
were
weary
,
and
went
asleep
presently
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
say
you
said
this
in
the
morning
;
for
we
had
above
an
hours
discourse
when
we
were
a
Bed
,
and
all
our
discourse
was
about
the
Parliament
and
the
King
.
Coll.
Where
was
it
I
said
those
words
in
Oxford
?
Mr.
Dugd.
At
Combe's
coffe-house
was
one
place
.
Coll.
Was
there
no
body
by
?
Mr.
Dugd.
No
,
but
at
the
Angel-Inn
there
were
several
persons
standing
by
.
Coll.
Surely
then
some
of
those
heard
the
words
as
well
as
you
.
Mr.
Dugd.
It
may
be
so
,
I
am
sure
many
at
London
have
been
by
,
as
Mr.
Starkey
by
name
,
Mr.
Boson
,
Mr.
Baldwin
?
they
have
rebuked
you
for
it
,
and
I
have
rebuked
you
too
.
Coll.
What
words
have
they
and
you
heard
,
and
rebuked
me
for
?
Mr.
Dugd.
When
you
have
been
railing
against
the
King
,
and
said
,
That
he
designed
nothing
but
the
introducing
of
Popery
,
and
Arbitrary
Government
,
and
that
he
was
a
Papist
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
He
loves
to
hear
it
repeated
.
Coll.
What
Arms
did
you
see
of
mine
in
this
Town
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
saw
Pistols
;
you
had
a
case
of
Pistols
before
you
,
and
you
had
some
Pocket-Pistols
.
Coll.
None
but
one
I
borrowed
of
you
,
and
that
you
had
again
;
had
I
?
pray
speak
,
did
you
see
any
more
?
Mr.
Dugd.
It
may
be
there
might
not
,
but
there
were
Pocket-Pistols
in
the
room
,
and
you
had
them
in
your
hand
.
Colledge
.
He
swore
but
now
that
he
saw
me
have
Pocket-Pistols
,
when
it
was
but
one
,
and
that
was
his
own
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Heark
you
now
,
you
talk
of
Pistols
,
do
you
know
that
he
had
any
Pistols
in
his
Holsters
at
Oxford
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
he
had
.
Coll.
Yes
,
I
know
that
,
I
don't
deny
it
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
I
think
a
Chissel
might
have
been
more
proper
for
a
Joyner
.
Coll.
You
say
I
was
confederated
with
Capt.
Brown
,
and
other
men
.
Mr.
Dugd.
You
have
told
me
that
Captain
Brown
had
agood
Allowance
,
and
it
was
pity
he
had
not
a
better
Allowance
;
and
you
would
speak
he
might
have
a
better
Allowance
,
for
he
was
able
to
do
good
service
when
the
time
came
.
Colledge
.
From
whom
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Among
you
.
Colledge
.
Among
whom
?
Mr.
Dugd.
You
know
there
were
several
Gatherings
among
you
that
I
was
not
privy
to
.
Colledge
.
What
do
I
know
?
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
You
know
mony
was
gathered
many
times
.
Colledge
.
For
what
purpose
?
Mr.
Dugd.
You
never
told
me
particulars
;
it
was
to
distribute
some
where
,
I
had
none
of
it
.
L.
c.
j.
He
does
not
say
these
men
were
concerned
with
you
,
but
you
said
so
.
Mr.
Dugd.
You
know
,
Mr.
Colledge
▪
there
were
many
Gathering
of
monies
.
Coll.
Did
I
tell
you
there
were
any
Gatherings
for
Capt.
Brown
?
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
He
says
you
told
him
no
particulars
;
if
you
have
a
mind
to
ask
him
any
more
Questions
,
do
.
Coll.
Pray
,
Sir
George
,
don't
interrupt
me
,
I
am
here
for
my
Life
.
Did
I
tell
you
there
were
any
Gatherings
for
Capt.
Brown
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
do
not
say
for
him
,
nor
whom
you
distributed
it
to
;
but
you
gathered
mony
one
among
another
,
and
you
have
paid
mony
.
Colledge
.
I
have
paid
mony
!
when
,
and
to
whom
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
will
not
deny
that
,
you
confessed
upon
your
Examination
that
you
gave
a
Guinny
.
Coll.
Sir
,
did
you
see
me
any
more
at
Oxford
,
than
in
the
Coffee-House
,
and
at
that
Inn
,
when
I
went
out
of
Town
,
and
was
going
home
with
the
City-members
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
.
Coll.
Were
you
in
my
company
any
where
,
but
in
those
two
places
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
I
was
with
you
at
the
Chequer
.
Coll.
Did
you
come
a
purpose
to
speak
with
me
,
or
had
you
any
business
particularly
with
me
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Truly
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
I
have
forgot
whether
I
had
or
no
,
I
was
in
the
Room
with
you
there
.
Colledge
.
Where
is
that
Room
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
can't
tell
all
the
Rooms
in
that
House
.
Coll.
Was
it
above
stairs
,
or
below
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Both
above
and
below
,
two
days
I
was
there
with
you
.
Coll.
Was
there
any
of
this
discourse
you
speak
of
passed
there
between
us
.
Mr.
Dugd.
I
know
I
was
with
you
in
those
two
places
I
mentioned
before
;
you
called
me
aside
to
drink
a
Glass
of
mum
,
and
there
was
none
in
the
Room
but
us
two
at
that
Coffee-House
.
Coll.
Sir
,
you
came
to
Town
but
on
Friday
,
I
think
,
it
must
be
Saturday
,
Sunday
or
Monday
this
was
,
for
we
stayed
no
longer
in
Oxford
.
Mr.
Dugd.
Nay
,
I
came
to
Oxford
,
either
Wednesday
night
or
Thursday
morning
;
and
I
saw
Mr.
Hunt
and
you
together
the
same
day
I
came
.
Coll.
Did
I
explain
any
Pictures
to
you
at
London
,
or
owned
I
was
the
Author
of
them
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Yes
,
upon
my
Oath
,
you
have
explained
Pictures
to
me
,
and
there
is
one
Picture
that
I
have
not
shewed
yet
,
which
you
have
explained
what
the
meaning
was
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
'T
is
your
common
Trade
it
seems
.
Mr.
Dugd.
You
told
me
you
got
them
done
.
Clerk
reads
,
A
Character
of
a
Popish
Successor
,
&c.
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
How
did
he
explain
it
to
you
▪
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
I
would
see
what
opinion
he
had
of
the
Church
of
England
;
there
are
some
Church-men
,
what
are
they
a
doing
?
Mr.
Dugdale
.
They
are
a
parcel
of
Tantivy-men
riding
to
Rome
;
and
here
's
the
Duke
of
York
,
half
man
,
half
devil
,
trumpeting
before
them
.
Colledge
.
You
have
got
somebody
to
explain
these
things
to
you
,
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Mr.
Dugd.
You
did
it
,
upon
my
Oath
.
Colledge
.
Oh
,
fie
upon
you
,
Mr.
Dugdale
,
consider
what
you
say
.
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
All
this
you
did
explain
,
it
seems
.
Mr.
Dugd.
And
in
one
place
of
the
other
Libel
,
the
King
was
termed
a
Rogue
,
but
they
put
him
in
by
another
name
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Where
is
it
?
Mr.
Dugd.
'T
is
in
Rary-Shew
;
In
the
Manuscript
it
was
,
Now
,
now
the
Rogue
is
down
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Let
me
see
it
,
I
took
notice
of
it
,
't
is
,
Now
,
now
the
Gyant
is
down
,
here
.
Coll.
I
ask
you
,
Sir
,
Whether
the
Song
which
you
say
was
sung
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
,
and
other
places
,
was
the
same
with
this
?
Mr.
Dugd.
For
the
general
it
is
,
I
can't
tell
for
every
word
:
You
sang
it
half
a
dozen
times
there
,
and
the
musick
plaid
to
you
.
Coll.
I
ask
you
whether
it
was
the
same
with
this
?
Mr.
Dugd.
I
can't
tell
for
every
word
you
sang
.
Coll.
Was
there
any
body
by
at
my
explaining
of
these
Pictures
?
Mr.
Dugd.
Mr.
Baldwyn
was
by
,
and
reproved
and
corrected
you
,
that
you
would
be
so
open
.
Coll.
Was
there
any
body
by
at
Oxford
,
when
you
did
hear
me
talk
of
Arming
my self
?
Mr.
Dugd.
They
were
walking
up
and
down
in
the
Barbers
Shop
,
and
I
know
not
whether
they
did
hear
or
no.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Was
that
Gentleman
sworn
at
my
Lord
Stafford's
Tryal
,
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Colledge
.
Yes
,
I
was
sworn
there
,
I
acknowledge
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
swear
any
thing
on
your
behalf
,
for
your
credit
,
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Coll.
That
was
by
hear-say
,
Mr.
Attorney
,
at
the
Tower
:
I
know
nothing
of
my
own
knowledge
;
but
I
did
believe
him
another
man
than
I
find
him
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
No
question
,
or
else
you
would
not
have
trusted
him
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Swear
Stevens
.
(
Which
was
done
.
)
Do
you
give
my
Lord
,
and
the
Jury
,
an
account
where
you
found
this
precious
Ballad
.
Stevens
.
The
first
draught
I
found
in
his
Bed-chamber
.
Mr.
Ser
jeff.
What
,
of
all
of
them
?
which
is
it
?
Stevens
.
The
Rary
Shew
,
we
found
the
first
draught
of
it
in
his
House
,
when
we
came
to
search
his
papers
,
by
order
of
Council
,
and
the
Printer
that
Printed
the
Ballad
,
hath
told
me
since
,
he
had
it
from
him
—
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
say
you
your self
?
speak
your
own
knowledge
.
Stevens
.
And
Mr.
Atterbury
was
by
when
we
searched
the
House
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Well
,
Mr.
Atterbury
will
tell
his
own
story
.
Stevens
.
I
have
seen
you
on
Horseback
,
with
Holsters
before
you
,
with
some
hundreds
of
men
after
you
,
coming
out
of
the
Bell-savage
Inn
;
they
said
,
you
were
going
to
choose
Parliament-men
:
I
have
known
you
three
or
four
years
,
you
were
Joyner
to
our
Hall
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
We
call
you
to
that
particular
of
the
papers
,
and
you
run
out
in
a
story
of
a
Cock
and
a
Bull
,
and
I
know
not
what
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Will
you
ask
him
any
questions
?
Coll.
No
,
only
this
;
Do
you
swear
,
upon
your
Oath
,
that
you
found
the
Original
in
my
House
?
Stevens
,
Yes
,
Sir
,
you
will
see
it
with
my
hand
to
it
,
and
some
more
of
them
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
And
you
found
too
those
that
were
printed
?
Stevens
.
Yes
,
both
our
names
are
to
them
,
that
were
concerned
in
the
searching
of
them
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
You
found
the
paper
in
the
House
?
Stevens
.
Yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
That
is
Towzer
;
but
you
have
the
Original
of
the
Rary
Shew
?
(
It
was
looked
for
,
but
could
not
be
found
.
)
Coll.
Pray
,
Gentlemen
,
observe
,
he
swears
that
is
an
Original
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
No
,
no
,
he
found
the
paper
in
your
House
.
Coll.
I
ask
about
the
Original
of
Rary
Shew
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
He
says
he
saw
a
paper
drawn
with
a
Pencil
that
was
like
the
Original
.
Atterbury
.
There
was
an
Original
drawn
with
a
Pencil
,
upon
Dutch
Paper
,
't
is
lost
since
,
for
we
do
not
see
it
here
now
,
which
at
the
same
time
we
found
upon
Colledge's
Table
in
his
Bed-chamber
.
Coll.
Did
you
find
an
Original
of
that
in
my
Chamber
?
Atterbury
.
Yes
,
we
found
a
paper
drawn
with
Black-lead
.
Coll.
Pray
,
Where
is
it
?
Atterbury
.
I
did
see
it
,
it
was
drawn
in
Black-lead
,
it
was
upon
Dutch-paper
,
and
lay
upon
the
Table
in
your
chamber
.
Stevens
.
Sure
I
am
it
was
taken
when
we
searched
the
House
.
Coll.
I
am
sure
you
could
never
find
the
Original
of
any
such
thing
in
my
House
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Then
where
is
Mr.
Sewel
,
(
Who
was
sworn
.
)
Sir
,
did
you
see
that
trumpery
taken
?
Sewell
.
I
had
a
Warrant
to
seize
Mr.
Spur
,
and
his
Brother-in-law
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
So
I
went
down
to
seize
Mr.
Spur
,
and
search
his
House
for
such
papers
as
I
should
find
.
I
could
not
find
them
in
the
House
;
but
I
enquired
of
him
,
after
I
had
searched
,
and
could
not
find
them
where
they
were
;
because
I
saw
him
at
Mr.
Colledge's
when
we
first
searched
;
he
denied
them
a
pretty
while
,
but
at
last
he
told
me
they
were
in
the
Hay-mow
in
the
Barn
.
When
I
came
there
,
he
was
balling
,
and
told
me
his
Wife
,
Colledge's
Sister
had
taken
them
down
,
and
carried
them
into
a
room
where
I
had
searched
before
,
but
could
not
find
them
;
and
the
man
was
angry
then
,
so
we
run
after
his
Wife
,
and
found
her
with
all
these
papers
in
a
bag
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Are
these
the
same
papers
?
Sewell
.
Yes
,
and
there
were
two
other
Cuts
;
the
man
himself
is
about
the
place
somewhere
.
Mr.
Attorn.
Gen.
Swear
Mr.
John
Smith
.
Which
was
done
.
Mr.
jones
.
Come
,
Mr.
Smith
,
do
you
know
Mr.
Colledge
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Give
us
an
account
what
dealings
you
have
had
with
him
,
where
,
and
when
;
what
he
hath
said
about
the
King
;
and
tell
us
first
whether
you
be
intimately
acquainted
?
Mr.
Smith
.
We
were
intimately
acquainted
.
The
first
time
I
heard
Mr.
Colledge
discoursing
any
thing
of
this
nature
,
that
is
,
concerning
Treason
,
or
any
such
thing
,
was
once
at
a
Coffee-House
by
Temple-Bar
;
there
I
met
Colledge
,
and
he
told
me
he
was
invited
to
Dinner
,
and
he
likewise
invited
me
to
it
.
I
asked
him
who
provided
the
Dinner
,
he
told
me
it
was
one
Alderman
Wilcox
;
I
told
him
I
was
a
stranger
,
and
did
not
care
for
going
:
He
told
me
I
should
be
very
welcome
there
,
and
at
last
prevailed
upon
me
to
go
:
And
as
I
was
going
along
,
I
asked
him
what
the
Alderman
was
?
He
told
me
he
was
a
man
that
was
as
true
as
steel
,
and
a
man
that
would
endeavour
to
root
out
Popery
:
Said
I
,
that
may
be
done
easily
,
if
you
can
but
prevail
with
the
King
to
pass
the
Bill
against
the
D.
of
York
.
No
,
no
,
said
he
,
you
are
mistaken
,
for
Rowley
is
as
great
a
Papist
as
the
D.
of
York
is
(
now
he
called
the
King
Rowley
)
and
every
way
as
dangerous
to
the
Protestant
Interest
,
as
is
too
apparent
by
his
Arbitrary
Ruling
.
This
was
the
discourse
between
the
Coffee-House
and
the
Tavern
where
we
went
to
dine
.
When
we
came
in
,
I
asked
Colledge
again
,
whether
the
Alderman
was
there
;
he
said
he
was
not
there
at
that
time
:
I
asked
him
the
second
time
what
kind
of
man
he
was
,
he
said
he
was
one
that
lived
in
his
Countrey-House
,
and
gave
freely
to
several
people
to
buy
Arms
and
Ammunition
.
And
I
asked
him
to
what
purpose
?
and
he
said
it
was
to
bring
the
King
to
submission
to
his
people
;
adding
thereto
,
that
he
wondred
Old
Rowley
did
not
consider
how
easily
his
Fathers
Head
came
to
the
Block
,
which
he
doubted
not
would
be
the
end
of
Rowley
at
the
last
.
After
this
discourse
the
Alderman
came
in
;
we
dined
,
and
every
one
went
his
own
way
about
his
own
business
.
Mr.
Colledge
▪
then
told
me
,
if
I
would
go
with
him
to
his
own
House
,
I
should
see
how
he
was
prepared
with
Arms
and
Provision
.
Soon
after
I
met
with
him
,
and
he
desired
me
to
go
along
and
dine
with
him
;
and
I
did
so
,
and
there
he
did
shew
me
his
Pistols
,
his
Blunderbuss
,
his
great
Sword
;
and
he
shewed
me
his
Armour
,
Back
and
Breast
;
and
he
shewed
me
his
Head-piece
,
which
,
if
I
am
not
mistaken
,
was
covered
over
with
Chamlet
,
it
was
a
very
fine
thing
;
and
,
said
he
,
These
are
the
things
which
will
destroy
the
pitiful
Guards
of
Rowley
,
that
are
kept
up
contrary
to
Law
and
Justice
,
to
set
up
Arbitrary
Power
and
Popery
.
Colledge
.
What
did
I
say
,
Sir
,
about
my
Armour
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Thus
you
said
;
It
was
to
destroy
Rowley's
Guards
(
those
were
your
words
)
that
were
kept
up
contrary
to
Law
and
Justice
,
to
set
up
Arbitrary
Power
and
Popery
.
After
I
had
dined
with
him
,
I
parted
with
him
.
A
little
before
the
Parliament
was
to
meet
at
Oxford
,
I
met
him
again
;
and
were
discoursing
of
several
things
,
what
preparations
the
City
were
making
,
how
they
were
provided
with
Powder
and
Bullets
;
and
for
his
part
,
he
would
go
down
to
Oxford
,
for
he
expected
a
little
sport
there
,
upon
the
divisions
that
were
like
to
be
between
the
King
and
Parliament
.
Then
said
I
to
him
,
why
,
what
is
the
matter
there
?
Why
,
said
he
,
we
expect
that
the
King
will
seize
upon
some
of
the
members
,
and
we
are
as
ready
as
he
.
And
,
says
he
,
for
my
part
,
I
will
be
there
,
and
be
one
that
shall
seize
him
,
if
he
secure
any
of
the
members
,
(
and
I
believe
he
did
go
down
;
)
says
he
,
you
know
how
the
City
is
provided
:
I
told
him
,
no
,
not
so
well
as
he
;
but
he
told
me
all
was
very
well
.
After
he
came
up
again
,
I
met
him
another
time
,
and
he
told
me
,
he
went
down
in
expectation
of
some
sport
;
but
Old
Rowley
was
afraid
,
like
his
Grand-father
Jamy
,
and
so
ran
away
like
to
beshit
himself
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Did
he
say
,
If
he
had
not
ran
away
,
he
would
have
seized
him
?
Mr.
Smith
.
He
said
nothing
of
that
,
but
before
,
he
said
,
He
would
be
one
of
them
should
seize
him
,
if
he
seized
any
of
the
members
.
After
this
he
told
me
,
that
Fitz-Gerald
and
he
had
had
a
quarrel
at
the
Parliament-door
of
the
House
of
Lords
at
Oxford
;
that
Fitz-Gerald
had
called
him
Rogue
;
and
,
said
he
,
Fitz-Gerald
made
my
Nose
bleed
;
but
before
long
,
I
hope
to
see
a
great
deal
more
Blood
shed
for
the
cause
.
After
this
again
,
when
there
was
a
discourse
of
disarming
the
City
,
that
my
Lord
Feversham
was
to
come
to
do
it
,
he
told
me
,
he
was
well
provided
,
and
if
Feversham
,
or
any
man
,
nay
Rowley
himself
should
attempt
any
such
thing
,
he
would
be
the
death
of
him
,
before
any
man
should
seize
upon
his
Arms.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Did
he
discourse
any
thing
to
you
about
Arms
to
provide
your self
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
,
he
did
,
I
had
an
Armour
from
him
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
What
did
he
say
to
you
about
it
?
Mr.
Smith
.
He
did
desire
me
to
get
Arms
,
for
I
did
not
know
how
soon
I
might
make
use
of
them
.
I
had
an
Armour
from
him
upon
trial
;
he
said
it
cost
him
30
or
40
s.
I
had
it
upon
trial
,
but
it
was
too
big
for
me
,
so
I
gave
it
him
back
,
and
bought
a
new
one
.
Mr.
Attorn.
Gen.
Did
he
tell
you
to
what
purpose
you
should
arm
your self
?
Mr.
Smith
.
No
,
he
did
not
name
any
purpose
,
but
he
told
me
I
did
not
know
how
soon
I
might
make
use
of
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
did
he
say
to
you
about
any
one's
seizing
the
King
?
Mr.
Smith
.
He
told
me
the
Parliament
were
agreed
to
secure
the
King
,
and
that
in
order
to
it
,
all
Parliament-men
came
very
well
armed
,
and
accompanied
with
arms
and
men
;
and
he
told
me
of
a
great
man
that
had
notice
from
all
the
Gentlemen
of
England
how
well
they
came
armed
.
Mr.
jones
.
What
did
he
say
of
himself
?
Mr.
Smith
.
He
would
be
one
that
should
secure
the
King
,
if
he
seized
any
of
the
members
.
Mr.
jones
.
When
he
had
been
there
,
what
did
he
say
?
Mr.
Smith
.
If
they
had
had
any
work
,
he
was
ready
provided
for
them
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
But
pray
tell
us
again
what
he
said
of
the
Kings
running
away
?
Mr.
Smith
.
He
said
Rowley
was
afraid
,
like
his
Grand-father
Jumy
,
and
ran
away
ready
to
beshit
himself
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
have
done
with
him
,
Mr.
Attorney
,
let
the
Prisoner
ask
him
what
Questions
he
will
.
Colledge
.
Mr.
Smith
,
Where
was
this
discourse
I
had
with
you
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Which
do
you
mean
,
the
former
part
or
the
latter
?
Colledge
.
The
first
discourse
you
talk
of
,
what
I
told
you
going
to
Mr.
Wilcox's
to
dinner
,
and
when
it
was
?
Mr.
Smith
.
You
know
best
when
it
was
,
I
can't
exactly
remember
the
time
,
but
you
know
't
is
true
.
Colledge
.
Where
was
it
?
Mr.
Smith
.
As
we
went
along
thither
we
had
the
first
part
of
it
,
and
when
we
came
thither
,
you
and
I
talked
till
Alderman
Wilcox
came
in
;
and
you
and
I
were
alone
together
,
and
several
persons
that
were
there
,
were
drawn
into
Cabals
,
two
by
two
.
Colledge
.
Where
?
Mr.
Smith
.
In
the
room
where
we
dined
;
and
you
know
there
was
a
little
room
by
,
where
some
were
drinking
a
Glass
of
Wine
.
Coll.
You
say
,
by
two
and
two
the
company
were
drawn
into
Cabals
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
tell
you
most
of
them
were
in
Cabals
,
two
and
two
together
,
only
those
two
Gentlemen
that
belonged
to
the
Alderman
went
up
and
down
,
and
gave
Wine
.
Coll.
What
Religion
are
you
of
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Is
it
for
this
man
to
ask
me
,
my
Lord
,
such
a
question
?
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Yes
,
answer
him
.
Mr.
Smith
.
I
am
a
Protestant
.
Coll.
You
were
a
Priest
.
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
,
what
then
?
and
I
am
in
Orders
now
.
Colledge
.
That
was
from
the
Church
of
Rome
.
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
and
that
is
a
good
Ordination
:
I
came
in
voluntarily
to
discover
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
was
no
Pentioner
,
nor
received
any
Sallary
from
the
King
.
I
have
spent
several
pounds
,
several
scores
of
pounds
,
but
received
no
recompence
.
And
I
was
the
Darling
at
one
time
all
over
the
City
,
when
I
did
adhere
to
what
they
would
have
me
to
do
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Did
not
you
swear
against
my
Lord
Stafford
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Were
not
you
a
Witness
,
Mr.
Smith
,
at
my
Lord
Stafford's
Tryal
?
Mr.
Smith
.
In
that
case
I
did
give
a
general
account
of
the
design
of
the
Papists
;
they
did
not
then
question
my
Reputation
,
and
I
defie
all
the
World
to
say
any
thing
against
it
.
Colledge
.
Pray
hear
me
Sir
,
if
you
please
;
the
first
discourse
that
you
speak
of
about
Mr.
Wilcox's
being
a
good
man
for
the
Cause
,
and
contributing
mony
,
this
was
when
we
were
at
Dinner
.
Mr.
Smith
.
This
was
that
day
when
we
went
to
dinner
with
him
,
you
know
it
very
well
.
Coll.
Where
were
the
other
Discourses
I
had
with
you
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Which
part
of
them
?
Colledge
.
When
I
came
from
Oxford
.
Mr.
Smith
.
By
the
Ditch
side
,
by
your
own
House
;
I
have
two
or
three
to
prove
it
,
we
were
an
hour
or
two
discoursing
together
about
this
business
.
Coll.
What
business
?
L.
c.
j.
He
tells
you
of
two
Discourses
,
one
before
you
went
to
Oxford
,
and
one
after
you
came
from
thence
.
Coll.
He
does
say
,
that
I
discoursed
him
about
our
coming
down
hither
to
Oxford
,
that
the
Parliament
would
secure
the
King
,
and
that
I
would
be
one
of
them
that
should
seize
him
,
and
this
was
at
the
time
when
we
dined
with
Alderman
Wilcox
.
L.
c.
j.
Not
so
,
he
says
after
that
time
,
and
before
you
went
to
Oxford
,
he
had
such
a
discourse
with
you
.
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
so
it
was
.
Coll.
And
does
he
speak
of
another
time
when
I
shewed
him
the
Back
,
Breast
and
Arms
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Yes
.
Coll.
But
he
said
,
I
discoursed
then
,
that
the
City
was
provided
with
Arms
,
and
that
the
Parliament
were
resolved
to
bring
the
King
to
submission
.
Mr.
Smith
.
When
I
was
in
the
House
with
him
,
he
then
said
Mr.
Wilcox
gave
Mony
to
provide
Arms
:
I
asked
for
what
?
he
said
,
it
was
to
bring
the
King
to
submission
to
his
People
;
and
then
he
added
,
he
admired
that
Rowley
did
not
remeber
how
easily
his
Fathers
Head
came
to
the
Block
;
and
he
doubted
not
but
that
would
be
the
end
of
him
too
.
L.
c.
j.
He
spake
of
several
times
you
know
.
Coll.
I
do
not
know
one
word
of
it
,
nor
can
distinguish
the
times
:
But
,
Mr.
Smith
the
last
discourse
you
say
about
Oxford
business
,
was
by
the
Ditch
side
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
The
Discourse
about
bringing
the
King
to
submission
,
was
in
the
way
as
you
went
to
dinner
.
Mr.
Smith
.
The
last
Discourse
when
you
returned
from
Oxford
,
was
by
the
Ditch
side
;
but
both
before
and
after
you
spake
to
me
at
that
place
about
this
design
of
bringing
the
King
to
submission
.
Colledge
.
You
said
it
was
at
Wilcox's
at
Dinner
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
You
mistook
him
then
.
Colledge
.
Nay
,
Sir
George
,
you
took
him
not
right
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
I
have
taken
him
right
I
assure
you
,
and
you
shall
see
it
by
and
by
.
Colledge
.
He
is
the
falsest
man
that
ever
spoke
with
a
tongue
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Swear
Bryan
Haynes
.
(
which
was
done
.
Tell
my
Lord
,
and
the
Jury
,
whether
you
know
this
Gentleman
,
what
converse
you
have
had
with
him
,
and
what
discourse
he
hath
had
with
you
.
Apply
your self
to
Mr.
Colledges
business
only
.
Haynes
.
I
suppose
he
will
not
deny
but
that
he
knows
very
well
;
I
have
been
acquainted
with
him
ever
since
March
last
,
before
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
.
My
Lord
,
there
was
a
Warrant
against
me
for
High
Treason
;
and
I
made
my
application
to
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
desired
him
to
go
to
a
certain
Person
of
Honour
in
England
,
and
ask
his
advice
,
whether
I
might
supercede
the
Warrant
by
putting
in
Bayl
,
and
carry
the
Supercedeas
in
my
pocket
:
Mr.
Colledge
told
me
he
would
go
to
this
person
of
Honour
,
for
he
would
do
nothing
of
his
own
head
;
and
he
bid
me
come
to
him
the
next
day
.
My
Lord
,
I
came
to
Mr.
Colledge
the
very
next
day
,
and
I
met
him
at
his
House
,
and
I
asked
him
what
was
the
result
,
and
what
advice
he
had
from
that
person
of
Quality
;
he
bid
me
be
of
good
chear
,
that
the
Parliament
would
be
,
and
sit
at
Oxford
soon
;
that
I
should
not
value
the
King
a
pin
;
for
,
said
he
,
the
King
is
in
a
worse
condition
than
you
or
I
;
for
you
shall
see
,
said
he
,
he
shall
be
called
to
an
account
for
all
his
Actions
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Who
should
?
Haynes
.
The
King
;
for
all
the
world
may
see
,
says
he
,
that
he
does
resolve
to
bring
in
Arbitrary
Power
and
Popery
:
And
,
said
he
,
unless
he
will
let
the
Parliament
sit
at
Oxford
,
since
he
hath
called
them
together
,
and
put
the
people
to
charges
in
chusing
of
them
,
and
them
in
coming
down
,
we
will
seize
him
at
Oxford
,
and
bring
him
to
the
Block
,
as
we
did
the
Logger-head
his
Father
.
The
Parliament
shall
sit
at
Guildhall
,
and
adjust
the
Grievances
of
the
Subject
,
and
of
the
Nation
.
And
you
shall
see
,
said
he
,
that
no
King
of
his
Race
shall
ever
reign
in
England
after
him
.
L.
c.
j.
Where
was
this
he
said
so
?
Haynes
.
At
his
own
House
I
met
him
;
and
he
and
I
did
walk
all
along
from
his
own
House
,
over
the
Bridge
that
is
against
Bridewel
,
and
so
went
all
along
till
we
came
to
the
Hercules-Pillars
,
and
we
had
some
discourse
there
;
we
went
up
one
pair
of
stairs
and
called
for
Beef
;
and
all
this
discourse
was
in
that
very
place
of
the
Hercules-Pillars
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
any
Arms
he
had
,
and
for
what
?
Haynes
.
But
,
Sir
,
said
I
to
Mr.
Colledge
,
how
can
this
be
done
,
't
is
a
thing
impossible
.
You
pretend
,
you
say
,
to
the
Duke
of
Monmouth
,
that
he
is
a
fine
Prince
,
and
stands
up
for
the
Protestant
Interest
:
Alas
,
said
he
,
we
make
an
Idol
of
him
to
adumbrate
our
Actions
,
for
fear
we
should
be
discovered
.
Do
you
think
the
wise
people
of
England
shall
ever
make
a
Bastard
upon
Record
King
of
England
:
No
,
said
he
,
for
though
we
praise
his
Actions
,
yet
we
cannot
endure
him
,
because
he
is
against
his
own
Father
.
But
,
said
he
,
further
,
unless
the
King
do
expel
from
his
Council
the
Earl
of
Clarindon
,
cunning
Lory
Hide
,
the
Earl
of
Hallifax
,
that
great
Turn-coat
Rogue
,
that
was
before
so
much
against
the
Papists
,
a
Rascal
,
we
shall
see
him
hang'd
,
and
all
the
Tory
Counsellors
;
except
the
King
do
it
,
we
will
make
England
too
hot
for
him
.
Coll.
Who
did
I
say
this
to
,
to
you
?
Haynes
.
Yes
,
to
me
.
Coll.
Pray
,
how
could
this
be
possible
?
Haynes
.
Yes
,
you
knew
my
condition
;
and
I
intimated
to
you
at
that
time
,
That
I
was
as
much
for
Treason
and
Villany
as
you
:
But
then
said
I
to
him
,
how
can
this
be
done
?
Here
you
have
neither
Officers
,
nor
men
of
experience
,
nor
men
of
knowledge
;
nor
you
have
no
Ammunition
,
Sea-port
Towns
,
nor
Ships
.
And
besides
,
the
King
,
said
I
,
hath
a
great
party
in
the
Land
,
and
the
Duke
of
York
likewise
;
and
for
all
the
men
of
Estates
,
and
the
ancient
Gentlemen
,
they
will
not
be
disturbed
,
and
to
quit
their
Ease
for
a
civil
War
.
Oh
,
says
he
,
you
are
mistaken
,
for
we
have
in
the
City
1500
Barrels
of
Powder
,
and
we
have
100000
men
ready
at
an
hours
warning
;
and
we
have
ordered
every
thing
in
a
due
method
against
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
;
and
you
shall
see
England
the
most
glorious
Nation
in
the
World
,
when
we
have
cut
off
that
beastly
Fellow
Rowley
;
and
speaking
of
the
King
,
he
said
,
He
came
of
the
Race
of
Buggerers
,
for
his
Grandfather
,
King
James
,
buggered
the
old
Duke
of
Buckingham
;
and
he
called
him
Captain
,
and
sometimes
the
King
,
and
sometimes
Rowley
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
This
was
pure
Protestant
discourse
upon
my
word
.
Haynes
.
Then
he
railed
at
Judge
Pemberton
;
and
,
said
he
,
let
him
try
Fitz-Harris
if
he
dare
;
I
shall
see
him
go
to
Tyburn
for
it
,
I
hope
,
a
Turn-coat
Rogue
.
He
was
for
the
Plot
whilst
he
was
a
puisne
Judge
,
but
now
he
is
Chief
Justice
,
he
is
the
greatest
Rogue
in
the
world
.
He
is
like
one
of
the
Pensioners
in
the
long
Parliament
.
So
one
day
I
went
along
with
Mrs.
Fitz-Harris
,
and
Mr.
Ivy
,
and
he
sent
a
man
to
me
,
and
desired
me
to
come
to
the
Hog
in
Armor
;
thither
we
came
,
and
met
him
,
and
went
to
his
Lodgings
,
and
there
we
dined
.
Then
they
made
some
persons
of
Honour
believe
,
that
I
was
a
person
so
and
so
qualified
,
and
was
brim
full
of
the
Plot
;
and
he
would
put
me
upon
charging
the
King
with
the
firing
of
London
,
and
the
murder
of
Sir
Edmondbury
Godfrey
,
and
said
he
,
such
and
such
Lords
shall
live
and
die
by
you
;
and
besides
,
said
he
,
you
need
not
fear
,
England
shall
espouse
your
Cause
.
But
,
said
I
,
the
Law
is
like
the
Spiders
Web
,
that
catches
the
little
Flies
,
but
the
great
Flies
run
through
the
Net
,
and
make
their
escape
;
so
't
is
with
these
Lords
,
they
put
you
and
me
on
the
danger
of
acting
;
and
when
they
get
off
by
interest
,
a
Jury
of
Twelve
men
will
hang
us
by
the
Neck
,
and
so
I
should
perish
,
whilst
others
triumphed
,
and
only
be
a
martyr
for
the
Phanaticks
.
So
in
discourse
we
were
talking
of
the
Libel
of
Fitz-Harris
;
The
Devil
take
me
,
said
he
,
every
individual
word
is
as
true
as
God
is
in
Heaven
;
and
said
he
,
if
you
do
not
joyn
with
Fitz-Harris
in
his
Evidence
,
and
charge
the
King
home
,
you
are
the
basest
fellow
in
the
world
,
for
he
makes
you
slaves
and
beggars
,
and
would
make
all
the
world
so
;
and
't
is
a
kind
of
charity
to
charge
him
home
,
that
we
may
be
rid
of
such
a
Tyrant
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Mr.
Colledge
,
if
you
will
ask
him
any
Questions
,
you
may
.
Coll.
Certainly
,
my
Lord
,
the
thing
speaks
it
;
he
is
not
to
be
talked
withal
;
Is
it
probable
I
should
talk
to
an
Irish-man
that
does
not
understand
sense
?
Haynes
.
'T
is
better
to
be
an
honest
Irish-man
than
an
English
Rogue
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
He
does
it
but
to
put
you
into
a
heat
,
don't
be
passionate
with
him
.
Haynes
.
No
,
I
am
not
,
I
thank
God
he
hath
not
put
me
into
an
heat
.
Coll.
Where
was
this
discourse
about
superceding
your
Warrant
?
Haynes
.
At
London
.
Coll.
When
?
Haynes
.
It
was
before
the
Parliament
sate
at
Oxon.
Coll.
How
long
?
Haynes
.
I
can't
tell
positively
to
an
hour
or
a
day
.
Coll.
What
month
as
near
as
you
can
?
Haynes
.
It
was
in
the
month
of
March.
Coll.
Had
you
ever
seen
me
before
?
Haynes
.
Can
you
deny
that
?
Coll.
I
ask
you
whether
you
have
or
no
?
Haynes
.
Yes
,
I
have
seen
you
in
the
Coffee-Houses
bawling
against
the
Government
.
L.
c.
j.
Were
you
an
intimate
acquaintance
of
his
before
March
last
?
Haynes
.
No
intimate
acquaintance
.
Coll.
Then
this
is
the
first
time
you
discoursed
with
me
.
Haynes
.
Oh
,
no
,
my
Lord
.
One
and
I
fell
out
at
the
Queens-Head
Tavern
at
Temple-Bar
,
and
he
set
me
upon
the
business
,
and
John
Macnamarra
and
others
,
and
truly
I
did
the
business
for
him
:
For
we
fell
out
,
and
did
box
,
and
our
Swords
were
taken
from
us
,
and
I
went
to
John
Macnamarra
,
and
told
him
,
yonder
is
such
a
man
at
such
a
place
,
now
you
may
seize
upon
him
.
Coll.
What
man
was
that
?
Haynes
.
One
Richard
Ponre
.
Coll.
He
belonged
to
my
Lord
Tyrone
,
I
think
,
there
were
Warrants
to
take
him
.
Do
you
say
I
set
you
upon
that
?
Haynes
.
Yes
,
you
were
with
me
the
night
before
,
and
Captain
Browne
,
and
they
gave
us
a
Signal
,
a
blue
Ribband
to
distinguish
that
we
were
Protestants
from
the
Bishops
men
.
L.
c.
j.
When
were
you
to
make
use
of
it
?
Haynes
.
When
the
King
was
seized
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Well
,
go
on
,
have
you
any
more
?
Haynes
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
further
,
after
he
came
from
Oxon.
I
met
him
,
and
said
I
,
Where
are
now
all
your
cracks
and
brags
?
now
you
see
the
King
hath
made
a
fool
of
you
;
now
you
know
not
what
you
would
have
done
.
Says
he
,
what
would
you
have
us
do
?
We
have
not
done
with
him
yet
:
For
,
said
he
,
no
servant
,
no
man
living
did
know
whether
he
would
Dissolve
the
Parliament
that
day
.
I
was
that
very
nick
of
time
at
the
Lobby
of
the
Lords-House
,
and
there
was
a
man
came
in
with
a
Gown
under
his
arm
,
and
every
one
looked
upon
him
to
be
a
Taylor
,
and
no
body
did
suspect
,
no
,
not
his
intimatest
Friends
,
except
it
were
Fitz-Gerald
,
that
he
would
Dissolve
the
Parliament
that
day
;
but
presently
he
puts
on
his
Robes
,
and
sends
away
for
the
House
of
Commons
;
and
when
he
had
Dissolved
them
,
before
ever
the
House
could
get
down
,
he
took
Coach
and
went
away
,
otherwise
the
Parliament
had
been
too
hard
for
him
;
for
there
was
never
a
Parliament-man
but
had
divers
armed
men
to
wait
on
him
,
and
I
had
my
Blunderbuss
and
my
man
to
wait
upon
me
.
But
well
,
said
he
,
there
is
a
God
above
will
rule
all
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Call
Mr.
Turbervile
.
Coll.
Hold
,
Sir
,
I
desire
to
ask
him
some
questions
.
You
say
the
first
time
that
I
saw
you
,
you
had
this
discourse
with
me
.
Haynes
.
Do
not
use
Tautologies
,
't
is
not
the
first
time
I
have
been
examined
,
I
know
how
to
speak
as
well
as
you
.
Coll.
Answer
my
Question
,
Sir
.
Haynes
.
You
know
it
was
after
I
had
made
Affidavit
before
the
Recorder
of
London
,
a
copy
of
which
was
carried
to
that
Noble-man
;
And
you
came
from
him
,
and
returned
me
his
thanks
,
and
told
me
it
was
the
best
service
I
could
do
him
.
I
would
not
trouble
the
Court
with
circumstantial
things
;
and
you
cold
me
I
should
be
gratified
not
only
in
my
own
property
,
but
a
reward
for
me
and
my
heirs
for
ever
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
For
what
?
Haynes
.
I
made
Affidavit
before
the
Recorder
of
London
.
Colledge
.
About
what
?
Haynes
.
Concerning
one
Fitz-Gerald
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Is
it
to
this
matter
?
Haynes
.
No
,
nothing
at
all
.
L.
c.
j.
Let
him
ask
any
questions
,
what
he
will
.
Coll.
I
ask
when
it
was
the
first
time
you
were
acquainted
with
me
so
much
,
as
to
know
me
well
?
Haynes
.
As
to
the
first
time
of
intimacy
,
here
is
Macnamarra
will
take
his
corporal
Oath
that
I
was
as
well
acquainted
with
him
as
any
one
in
the
World
.
Coll.
Pray
answer
me
,
Sir
;
When
was
the
first
time
I
talked
to
you
?
Haynes
.
The
first
intimate
acquaintance
we
had
,
was
when
you
put
me
upon
the
design
about
Fitz-Gerald
.
Colledge
.
Pray
Sir
,
you
go
too
fast
already
,
as
you
are
still
gallopping
;
where
was
this
discourse
about
his
Majesty
?
Haynes
.
I
told
you
before
.
Coll.
What
was
it
?
Haynes
.
I
went
to
you
after
the
Affidavit
was
made
,
and
told
you
there
was
a
Warrant
out
after
me
,
and
desired
you
to
go
to
That
Noble-man
,
and
desire
his
advice
what
I
might
do
,
or
whether
I
might
supersede
the
Warrant
.
You
told
me
you
could
do
nothing
without
advice
,
and
you
would
go
and
advise
with
That
Noble-man
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
here
is
Mr.
Turbervile
come
in
,
they
will
over-hear
one
another
,
pray
let
me
have
fair
play
for
my
life
.
(
whereupon
Turbervile
withdrew
.
)
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Can't
you
answer
him
?
When
was
the
first
time
you
came
acquainted
with
him
?
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
When
was
the
first
discourse
you
had
with
him
?
Haynes
.
In
April
last
.
Coll.
You
say
it
was
before
the
Sitting
of
the
Parliament
,
and
that
was
in
March
.
Haynes
.
I
meant
in
March
.
Colledge
.
So
indeed
you
said
at
first
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
He
never
did
say
the
day
of
the
Month
,
nor
the
Month
neither
.
Mr.
Jones
.
How
long
was
it
before
the
Sitting
of
the
Parliament
?
Haynes
.
Mr.
Jones
,
truely
I
do
not
remember
precisely
how
long
it
was
before
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
,
but
I
am
sure
it
was
before
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
I
did
take
it
that
he
said
it
was
before
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
,
and
now
he
says
,
in
the
month
of
March.
Pray
at
that
time
he
talked
to
you
,
did
not
he
tell
you
of
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
,
and
that
they
would
stand
by
you
.
Coll.
He
hath
said
it
already
,
you
need
not
direct
him
,
Sir
George
,
he
goes
fast
enough
.
But
you
say
,
Sir
,
the
first
time
I
ever
was
acquainted
with
you
was
in
March
,
then
Gentlemen
consider
whether
it
be
probable
that
at
that
time
I
should
discourse
to
him
after
this
manner
.
L.
c.
just
.
No
,
I
will
tell
you
what
he
says
,
He
said
the
first
time
he
was
intimately
acquainted
with
you
,
was
in
March
,
he
said
he
had
before
seen
you
in
Coffee-Houses
,
and
he
is
sure
it
was
before
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
;
for
he
tells
you
the
discourse
you
had
,
and
by
that
discourse
it
appears
,
it
related
to
a
Parliament
that
was
afterwards
to
sit
.
And
then
,
to
give
you
a
more
particular
circumstance
,
he
says
that
you
put
him
upon
the
making
of
the
Affidavit
about
Fitz-Gerald
,
and
so
you
came
acquainted
.
Haynes
.
Ask
Mr.
Attorney
.
My
Lord
,
that
day
he
was
taken
and
carried
to
Whitehall
before
the
Secretary
of
State
;
He
said
,
I
do
not
know
who
it
should
be
that
should
accuse
me
,
I
believe
it
is
Ivy
;
as
for
Haynes
,
he
was
taken
t'other
day
,
he
was
an
honest
man
.
Coll.
You
say
I
desired
you
to
make
an
Affidavit
,
was
it
after
that
or
before
I
had
that
discourse
with
you
?
Haynes
.
It
was
after
.
For
I
came
and
desired
you
to
go
to
such
a
person
of
Quality
,
and
you
went
to
him
and
advised
with
him
;
and
then
the
next
morning
such
discourse
as
I
told
your
Lordship
and
the
whole
Court
of
,
he
told
me
.
Coll.
Did
I
speak
these
Treasonable
words
after
the
Affidavit
made
?
Haynes
.
You
said
I
must
make
such
an
Affidavit
concerning
Fitz-Gerald
.
Colledge
.
But
was
this
Treasonable
discourse
before
you
made
the
Affidavit
,
or
after
?
Haynes
.
After
the
Affidavit
made
you
told
me
this
:
when
I
came
to
his
House
,
and
from
thence
we
went
to
the
Hercules-Pillars
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Will
you
ask
him
any
more
Questions
,
Mr.
Colledge
?
Coll.
Did
you
ever
speak
with
me
in
your
life
before
Macnamarra
did
call
me
out
of
the
Coffe-House
to
go
along
with
you
,
where
you
would
discover
a
Design
against
my
Lord
Shaftsbury's
Life
?
Haynes
.
I
told
you
I
never
had
any
intimate
acquaintance
with
you
in
my
life
before
,
nor
did
I
ever
speak
with
you
before
.
Colledge
.
When
was
that
discourse
,
I
ask
you
once
again
?
Haynes
.
After
the
Affidavit
made
.
Colledge
.
That
night
?
Haynes
.
Within
a
week
or
thereabouts
after
the
Affidavit
made
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Call
Mr.
Edward
Turbervile
.
But
Mr.
Haynes
,
I
would
ask
you
one
Question
,
Did
he
deliver
you
any
Ribband
as
a
mark
of
distinction
.
Haynes
.
Yes
,
here
it
is
.
(
and
it
was
shewed
to
the
Court.
)
Then
Mr.
Turbervile
was
sworn
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Pray
Mr.
Turbervile
will
you
tell
my
Lord
and
the
Jury
what
Discourse
you
had
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
where
,
and
when
.
Turbervile
.
When
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxon.
about
the
middle
of
the
week
,
I
cant
be
positive
in
the
day
,
but
I
think
it
was
in
the
middle
of
the
week
I
dined
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
Captain
Brown
and
Don
Lewes
Clerk
of
Derby-House
,
at
the
Chequer
Inn.
After
Dinner
Don
Lewes
went
out
about
his
own
business
,
and
Captain
Brown
went
to
sleep
;
Mr.
Colledge
and
I
fell
talking
of
the
Times
,
and
I
was
observing
,
I
thought
the
Parliament
was
not
a
long
lived
Parliament
.
Said
he
,
there
is
no
good
to
be
expected
from
the
King
;
for
he
and
all
his
Family
are
Papists
,
and
have
ever
been
such
,
you
know
it
,
Sir
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Nay
don't
appeal
to
him
.
Turbervile
.
Said
I
,
the
King
will
offer
some
thing
or
other
by
way
of
surprize
to
the
Parliament
,
Said
he
,
I
would
he
would
begin
;
but
if
he
do
not
,
we
will
begin
with
him
and
seize
him
;
for
there
are
several
brave
Fellows
about
this
Town
that
will
secure
him
till
we
have
those
terms
that
we
expect
from
him
.
L.
c.
j.
Where
was
this
?
Turbervile
.
At
the
Chequer
Inn
in
Oxon.
L.
c.
j.
What
said
he
further
?
Turbervile
.
He
said
he
had
got
a
Case
of
Pistols
,
and
a
very
good
Sword
,
and
a
Velvet
Cap
;
and
I
can't
be
positive
he
had
Armour
on
,
but
I
believe
he
had
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
tell
you
he
came
down
for
that
purpose
to
seize
the
King
?
Turbervile
.
Yes
,
and
he
gave
me
a
piece
of
blew
Ribband
to
put
upon
my
Hat
,
he
had
a
great
quantity
of
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
was
that
for
?
Turbervile
.
To
be
a
distinction
if
there
should
be
any
disturbance
when
the
thing
should
be
done
.
Coll.
What
thing
done
?
Turbervile
.
I
knew
nothing
but
of
your
telling
me
of
it
.
Coll.
Where
was
this
?
Turberv
.
At
the
Chequer
Inn
in
Oxon.
M.
Colledge
.
You
talk
much
and
can't
remember
all
you
say
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
did
he
discourse
to
you
about
Arms
and
an
Horse
.
Turberv
.
I
told
him
I
had
never
an
Horse
,
and
nothing
but
a
Case
of
Pistols
;
he
bid
me
I
should
not
trouble
my self
,
for
he
would
get
me
an
Horse
.
Coll.
What
to
do
?
Turberv
.
To
carry
on
your
design
,
I
know
not
what
it
was
,
but
by
your
words
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Tell
what
he
said
of
it
at
the
Chequer
Inn.
Turberv
.
He
said
there
was
a
Design
to
seize
the
King
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
desire
you
to
be
one
of
them
.
Turberv
.
He
did
desire
me
to
be
ready
to
assist
.
Mr.
jones
.
And
how
much
of
that
Ribband
had
he
,
pray
?
Turberv
.
A
very
great
quantity
,
40
or
50
Yards
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Pray
Mr.
Turbervile
will
you
give
your
Evidence
over
again
,
and
let
Mr.
Colledge
attend
to
it
.
Turberv
.
When
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxon.
about
the
middle
of
the
week
,
I
cannot
be
positive
to
a
day
;
I
believe
it
was
either
Wednesday
or
Thursday
I
dined
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
Captain
Brown
,
and
Don
Lewes
,
who
was
formerly
Clerk
of
Derby-House
.
Don
Lewes
after
dinner
went
out
,
and
Capt.
Browne
laid
him
down
on
the
bed
,
and
Mr.
Colledge
and
I
fell
a
talking
of
the
Times
,
and
I
told
him
,
I
thought
this
Parliament
was
no
long-lived
Parliament
.
Upon
which
Colledge
told
me
the
King
and
all
his
Family
were
Papists
,
and
there
was
no
good
to
be
expected
from
him
.
Then
I
replyed
,
the
King
would
perhaps
surprize
the
Parliament
,
or
use
some
stratagem
to
bring
them
to
his
terms
.
Said
Mr.
Colledge
again
,
I
would
he
would
begin
;
but
if
he
do
not
,
we
will
secure
him
till
he
comes
to
those
terms
we
would
have
from
him
;
for
here
are
several
brave
Fellows
,
and
many
more
are
coming
down
that
will
joyn
with
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
name
any
one
?
Turberv
.
No
indeed
,
he
did
not
;
he
himself
had
a
case
of
Pistols
,
a
Sword
,
and
I
believe
he
might
have
his
Armour
on
.
Coll.
Did
I
discourse
who
were
to
joyn
with
me
?
Turberv
.
No
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
did
not
name
any
body
to
me
,
but
Captain
Browne
was
with
you
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Were
you
examined
in
my
Lord
Staffords
Tryal
?
Turberv
.
Yes
I
was
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Was
this
Gentleman
sworn
to
your
Reputation
there
?
Turberv
.
No
,
not
to
mine
.
Coll.
Pray
how
come
we
to
talk
of
such
things
,
what
occasion
was
there
that
I
should
talk
Treason
of
the
King
to
you
,
was
there
any
body
besides
us
two
there
.
Turberv
.
No
,
Capt.
Browne
was
gone
to
sleep
,
and
Lewes
was
gone
out
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
It
was
not
at
dinner
that
you
talked
so
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
he
says
.
Coll.
Had
they
been
at
dinner
with
us
there
?
Turberv
.
Yes
,
and
we
had
a
Legg
of
boyled
mutton
to
dinner
.
Coll.
Did
you
stay
after
dinner
?
Turberv
.
Yes
,
and
I
lay
with
you
afterwards
upon
the
bed
.
Coll.
I
thought
you
had
said
Capt.
Browne
went
to
sleep
there
.
Turberv
.
Yes
,
but
he
was
gone
too
,
when
we
laid
down
together
.
Coll.
God
forgive
you
,
I
can
say
no
more
,
I
never
spoke
one
word
of
any
such
discourse
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Will
you
ask
him
any
more
Questions
?
Coll.
Mr.
Turbervile
,
when
did
you
give
in
this
Information
against
me
?
Turbervile
.
I
gave
it
to
the
Grand
Jury
.
Colledge
.
Not
before
?
Turbervile
.
Yes
,
I
did
.
Colledge
.
When
was
it
?
Turbervile
.
Truly
I
can't
well
tell
,
I
believe
it
was
a
day
or
two
before
I
came
to
Oxon.
Coll.
Why
did
you
make
it
then
,
and
not
before
?
Turbervile
.
I
'll
tell
you
the
occasion
.
Mr.
Dugdale
told
me
the
Grand
Jury
of
London
would
not
find
the
Bill
;
I
did
admire
at
it
extremely
;
for
I
thought
every
one
that
conversed
with
him
might
be
an
Evidence
against
him
;
he
was
always
so
very
lavish
against
the
King
and
the
Government
.
So
then
Colonel
Warcupp
came
to
me
,
and
took
my
Depositions
,
and
then
I
came
for
Oxford
.
Colledge
.
What
was
the
reason
you
did
not
discover
this
Treason
before
?
Turbervile
.
There
was
no
reason
for
it
,
it
was
not
necessary
.
Coll.
You
were
not
agreed
then
.
Turbervile
.
There
was
no
agreement
in
the
case
,
there
needs
nothing
of
that
I
think
;
but
I
am
not
obliged
to
give
you
an
account
of
it
.
Colledge
.
God
forgive
you
,
Mr.
Turbervile
.
Turberv
.
And
you
too
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Then
call
Sir
William
Jennings
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Mr.
Attorney
,
if
you
please
,
till
he
comes
,
I
will
acquaint
my
Lord
here
is
a
Gentleman
that
hath
not
yet
been
taken
notice
of
,
one
Mr.
Masters
,
that
is
pretty
well
known
to
Mr.
Colledge
;
now
he
is
a
man
,
he
must
acknowledge
,
of
an
undoubted
Reputation
,
and
I
desire
he
may
give
your
Lordship
and
the
Jury
an
account
what
he
knows
of
the
Prisoner
;
because
he
is
so
curious
for
English-men
,
we
have
brought
him
an
English-man
of
a
very
good
repute
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
am
charged
with
Treason
in
this
Indictment
;
here
are
a
great
many
things
made
use
of
that
serve
only
to
amuse
the
Jury
,
I
can
conjecture
nothing
else
they
are
brought
for
;
I
desire
to
know
whether
the
Pictures
produced
are
part
of
the
Treason
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Stay
till
the
Evidence
is
given
▪
and
we
will
hear
what
you
can
say
at
large
when
you
come
to
summ
up
your
Defence
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
will
you
be
pleased
to
hear
this
Gentleman
.
He
will
tell
you
what
discourse
he
hath
had
with
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar.
Then
Mr.
Masters
was
Sworn
.
Mr.
Masters
.
Mr.
Colledge
and
I
have
been
acquainted
for
a
great
many
years
;
and
we
have
often
discoursed
.
I
have
told
him
of
his
being
so
violent
as
he
hath
been
several
times
.
But
a
little
before
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
about
Christmass
last
,
after
the
Parliament
at
Westminster
,
at
Mr.
Charlton's
Shop
the
Woollen-Draper
in
Paul's
Church-yard
,
we
were
discoursing
together
about
the
Government
,
and
he
was
justifying
of
the
late
long
Parliaments
Actions
in
40
;
and
he
said
,
That
Parliament
was
as
good
a
Parliament
as
ever
was
chosen
in
the
Nation
.
Said
I
,
I
wonder
how
you
have
the
impudence
to
justify
their
Proceedings
,
that
raised
the
Rebellion
against
the
King
,
and
cut
off
his
Head
.
Said
he
,
they
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
for
,
and
the
Parliament
that
sate
last
at
Westminster
was
of
their
opinion
,
and
so
you
would
have
seen
it
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
What
did
he
say
of
the
Parliament
since
?
Mr.
Masters
.
He
said
the
Parliament
that
sate
last
at
Westminster
was
of
the
same
opinion
that
that
Parliament
was
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Pray
afterwards
,
what
discourse
had
you
about
his
Colonelship
?
Mr.
Masters
.
We
were
talking
at
Guild-Hall
that
day
the
Common-Council
was
,
the
13th
.
of
May
,
as
near
as
I
remember
;
so
I
came
to
him
,
How
now
,
Colonel
Colledge
,
said
I
,
what
do
you
make
this
bustle
for
?
You
mistook
me
,
and
said
,
Cousin
,
how
long
have
you
and
I
been
Cousins
?
nay
prithee
,
said
I
,
't
is
not
yet
come
to
that
,
to
own
Kindred
between
us
,
I
only
called
you
Colonel
in
jest
;
Marry
mock
not
,
said
he
,
I
may
be
one
in
a
little
time
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Have
you
any
thing
to
ask
Mr.
Masters
?
you
know
he
is
your
old
acquaintance
,
you
know
him
well
.
(
Then
Sir
William
Jennings
was
Sworn
.
)
Mr.
jones
.
What
is
it
that
you
know
concerning
Mr.
Colledge
at
Oxford
,
Sir
?
Sir
William
Jennings
.
My
Lord
,
the
first
time
that
I
heard
any
thing
of
Mr.
Colledge
,
was
,
there
was
some
company
looking
upon
a
Picture
,
for
I
knew
him
not
,
nor
never
had
any
word
of
discourse
with
him
in
my
life
,
any
more
then
seeing
him
in
a
publick
Coffee-House
.
But
there
was
a
Picture
looking
on
by
7
or
8
or
10
people
,
I
believe
,
more
or
less
,
and
I
coming
and
crowding
in
my
Head
amongst
the
rest
,
looked
upon
this
Picture
.
After
the
crowd
was
over
,
Mr.
Colledge
takes
a
Picture
out
of
his
Pocket
;
and
,
said
he
,
I
will
give
you
one
of
them
,
if
you
will
.
So
he
gives
me
a
Picture
;
which
Picture
,
if
I
could
see
,
I
could
tell
what
it
was
;
it
was
written
Mac
a
top
,
and
there
were
several
Figures
in
it
.
(
Then
the
Picture
was
shewed
him
.
)
This
is
one
of
the
same
that
I
had
of
him
,
and
I
had
not
had
it
long
in
my
custody
,
but
meeting
with
Justice
Warcupp
,
I
shewed
it
him
,
who
bid
me
give
it
him
,
and
so
I
did
.
The
next
thing
I
did
see
Mr.
Colledge
do
,
that
was
in
the
coffee-house
,
not
the
same
day
,
but
another
time
:
I
saw
him
bring
in
a
parcel
of
blue
Ribband
which
was
wrought
,
and
these
words
eight
times
wrought
in
it
,
twice
wrought
in
every
quarter
of
a
yard
,
No
Popery
,
no
Slavery
.
I
saw
him
●●●l
to
a
member
of
Parliament
,
as
I
took
him
to
be
,
a
yard
of
that
Ribband
for
2
s.
and
truly
I
was
thinking
he
would
ask
me
to
but
some
too
,
and
I
saw
that
Gentleman
(
I
took
him
to
be
a
Parliament-man
)
take
this
Ribband
and
tye
it
upon
his
Sword
.
As
to
the
other
thing
I
have
to
say
of
Mr.
Colledge
,
that
very
day
the
Parliament
was
dissolved
he
had
been
in
a
quarrel
,
as
he
told
me
,
with
Fitz-Gerald
,
and
I
was
standing
in
the
School-House
yard
,
and
he
comes
directly
to
me
without
my
speaking
to
him
or
any
thing
;
but
he
comes
and
tells
me
Fitz-Gerald
had
spit
in
his
face
,
and
,
said
he
,
I
spit
in
his
face
again
;
so
we
went
to
loggerheads
together
,
I
think
that
was
the
word
,
or
Fisty-cuffs
.
So
,
said
I
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
your
Nose
bleeds
;
he
takes
his
Handkerchief
out
of
his
Pocket
and
wipes
his
Nose
,
and
said
,
I
have
lost
the
first
Blood
in
the
Cause
,
but
it
will
not
be
long
before
more
be
lost
.
L.
c.
j.
Where
was
this
?
Sir
William
Jennings
.
In
the
School-house
Yard
at
Oxon.
I
never
discoursed
with
him
afterwards
till
I
met
him
in
London
in
Fleet-street
one
Sunday
in
the
afternoon
,
and
I
remember
Captain
Crescett
was
along
with
me
.
And
when
he
came
up
to
me
,
How
now
,
said
I
,
honest
Joyner
?
Says
he
,
you
call
me
honest
Joyner
,
some
call
me
Rogue
and
Rascal
,
and
I
have
been
beating
some
of
them
;
so
that
I
believe
they
will
be
aware
of
it
.
So
I
told
Captain
Crescett
I
never
met
this
man
but
he
was
always
in
a
Quarrel
.
Colledge
.
Was
it
on
a
Sunday
that
I
told
you
I
had
been
beating
of
somebody
?
Sir
.
Will.
jenn.
You
told
me
so
,
Captain
Crescett
was
by
.
Colledge
.
I
remember
I
met
you
,
but
I
did
not
tell
you
I
had
been
then
beating
any
one
.
But
pray
,
Sir
William
,
when
I
met
you
after
the
Parliament
was
Dissolved
,
and
Fitz-Gerald
and
I
had
quarrell'd
,
did
I
say
,
That
I
had
lost
the
first
blood
in
the
Cause
,
but
it
would
not
be
long
e're
more
were
lost
.
Sir
William
,
you
are
a
Gentleman
;
as
for
the
other
men
,
they
don't
care
what
they
say
,
nor
do
I
so
much
regard
them
;
but
you
value
your
Word
and
Honour
.
These
were
my
words
,
and
pray
will
you
recollect
your self
before
you
be
positive
in
the
thing
,
whether
I
did
not
say
,
I
have
lost
the
first
blood
for
the
Parliament
,
(
for
it
was
upon
my
vindicating
of
the
Commons
,
and
Dr.
Oates
,
whom
Fitz-Gerald
had
abused
;
and
upon
that
the
Quarrel
began
;
so
I
said
,
when
you
met
me
,
and
told
me
my
Nose
bled
,
I
have
lost
the
first
blood
for
the
Parliament
)
I
wish
it
may
be
the
last
.
Sir
Will.
jenn.
Mr.
Colledge
,
If
you
please
I
will
answer
you
as
to
that
,
I
do
assure
you
't
is
the
first
time
that
ever
I
came
upon
this
occasion
in
my
days
,
and
I
have
declared
it
before
,
and
do
declare
it
now
,
I
would
rather
have
served
the
King
in
three
Engagements
,
then
come
in
against
you
,
or
any
man
,
upon
such
an
occasion
.
But
I
declare
to
you
,
upon
the
whole
memory
of
the
truth
,
the
words
were
as
I
spoke
them
at
first
,
and
no
Parliament
named
or
mentioned
.
And
,
my
Lord
,
moreover
,
I
will
tell
you
,
when
I
did
tell
this
story
,
because
Mr.
Crescett
that
is
here
,
is
able
to
tell
you
whether
I
did
not
relate
the
words
within
half
an
hour
,
or
a
little
time
after
.
Now
I
never
had
a
prejudice
against
you
in
my
days
,
nor
other
concern
,
but
having
told
Mr.
Justice
Warcupp
this
story
,
I
am
brought
hither
to
testifie
it
.
Coll.
Sir
William
,
I
am
sorry
you
did
not
better
observe
and
remember
my
words
then
.
Sir
Will.
jenn.
I
must
needs
say
,
I
could
not
imagine
what
the
words
meant
when
they
were
spoken
,
nor
do
I
understand
them
to
this
day
;
but
soon
after
they
were
spoken
,
I
related
them
to
Justice
Warcupp
,
he
being
a
Justice
of
Peace
.
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
Gentlemen
,
we
shall
rest
here
,
and
conclude
our
Evidence
for
the
King
at
present
,
to
hear
what
the
Prisoner
says
to
it
,
only
with
my
Lords
leave
I
shall
explain
the
words
to
you
that
are
in
the
Indictment
,
and
tell
you
what
is
meant
by
compassing
and
imagining
the
death
of
the
King
.
The
seizing
the
person
of
the
King
,
is
in
Law
a
compassing
and
intending
his
death
;
and
so
it
hath
been
adjudged
in
several
cases
,
as
in
1
Jacob
,
my
Lord
Cobham
and
my
Lord
Grey's
case
,
and
several
other
cases
;
and
so
you
may
fully
apprehend
what
the
Charge
is
,
and
may
understand
the
words
in
the
Indictment
,
That
if
you
are
not
satisfied
with
the
general
words
of
compassing
the
Kings
death
,
you
may
know
,
that
the
seizing
his
person
extends
to
it
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
My
Lord
,
we
have
done
with
our
Evidence
,
now
let
him
go
on
with
his
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Now
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
may
say
what
you
will
for
your
defence
,
and
call
your
Witnesses
that
you
have
to
produce
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
heard
this
Evidence
that
is
against
me
,
and
I
would
desire
your
Lordship
to
resolve
me
some
Questions
upon
it
;
I
think
the
Indictment
,
is
for
Treasonable
practices
,
for
a
Conspiracy
;
now
I
desire
your
Lordship
will
be
pleased
that
I
may
know
from
you
,
and
the
Court
,
whether
in
all
this
Evidence
given
in
proof
against
me
,
a
Conspiracy
is
proved
;
or
if
any
thing
appears
besides
what
they
say
I
said
?
L.
c.
j.
For
a
conspiracy
in
you
,
if
the
Witnesses
speak
truth
,
there
is
a
plain
proof
,
and
of
the
degrees
of
it
:
First
of
all
,
by
your
publishing
Libels
and
Pictures
to
make
the
King
odious
and
contemptible
in
the
eyes
of
the
people
,
and
that
you
should
be
the
Author
of
some
of
those
Pictures
,
and
they
were
found
in
your
custody
.
Colledge
.
I
conceive
that
is
not
proved
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
If
the
Witnesses
say
true
,
it
is
proved
.
Colledge
.
They
do
not
produce
that
,
they
do
but
say
it
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Mr.
Dugdale
swears
,
that
at
Oxford
here
,
you
shew'd
him
the
Picture
,
you
sung
the
Song
here
,
and
expounded
it
at
my
Lord
Lovelace's
,
and
a
great
many
of
them
are
found
in
your
custody
.
Then
that
you
prepared
Arms
,
that
you
shew'd
Smith
the
Arms
in
your
House
,
and
having
those
Arms
,
you
said
you
would
go
to
Oxford
,
and
if
there
should
be
a
disturbance
there
,
you
would
secure
the
King
.
And
you
did
come
to
Oxford
,
where
you
hear
what
is
said
;
for
I
observe
,
Stephen
Dugdale
and
Edward
Turbervile
speak
of
what
was
done
at
Oxford
.
John
Smith
and
Bryan
Haynes
speak
of
what
you
said
at
London
before
you
went
to
Oxford
,
and
after
you
came
from
Oxford
.
Now
I
say
,
if
these
Witnesses
speak
true
,
't
is
a
strong
Evidence
against
you
,
both
upon
the
Statute
of
the
25
Edw.
the
3d.
and
that
of
this
King
too
.
For
my
Brother
Holloway
told
you
true
,
That
whereas
the
Imagining
the
death
of
the
King
is
High
Treason
,
by
the
25
of
Edw.
the
3d.
so
a
seizing
of
the
King
,
and
an
endeavour
to
do
that
,
is
a
constructive
intention
of
the
death
of
the
King
;
for
Kings
are
never
Prisoners
,
but
in
order
to
their
death
.
And
therefore
it
hath
been
held
in
all
times
,
that
by
the
Statute
of
Edw.
3d.
that
was
Treason
;
but
then
the
Statute
of
this
King
,
in
the
13th
.
year
of
his
Reign
,
is
more
strong
;
for
there
it
says
,
If
any
man
shall
by
any
words
,
or
malicious
speaking
,
shew
the
imagination
of
his
heart
,
that
he
hath
any
such
intention
,
that
is
Treason
too
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
the
Foundation
of
this
Indictment
is
said
to
be
laid
here
in
Oxford
,
as
I
suppose
;
pray
,
my
Lord
,
here
is
only
Mr.
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
that
swear
against
me
for
what
I
should
say
in
Oxon.
all
the
rest
speak
to
things
said
and
done
at
London
.
Now
,
my
Lord
,
I
desire
to
know
,
whether
they
have
proved
any
Treasonable
Practices
,
Conspiracy
or
Design
against
the
Government
,
I
would
feign
know
that
,
whether
there
be
matter
here
to
ground
an
Indictment
upon
;
for
the
one
says
in
one
place
,
the
other
in
the
other
,
which
may
be
distinct
matters
,
and
none
of
them
swear
Facts
against
me
,
but
only
Words
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Yes
,
providing
Arms
for
your self
and
offering
others
Arms.
Coll.
That
I
shall
make
this
Answer
to
,
I
had
only
a
case
of
Pistols
and
a
Sword
,
which
every
Footman
and
Horseman
had
,
that
came
from
London
,
I
think
.
But
further
my
Lord
,
I
would
ask
your
Lordship
,
whether
there
ought
not
to
be
Witnessesdistinct
,
to
swear
words
at
one
and
the
same
time
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
No
,
no
,
the
Resolution
of
the
Judges
in
my
Lord
Staffords
case
is
contrary
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Look
you
,
it
hath
been
often
resolved
,
that
if
there
be
one
Witness
that
proves
one
Fact
which
is
an
Evidence
of
Treason
,
and
another
proves
another
Fact
,
that
is
an
Evidence
of
the
same
Treason
,
though
they
be
but
single
Witnesses
to
several
Facts
.
yet
they
are
two
Witnesses
to
an
Indictment
of
Treason
;
that
hath
been
often
publickly
resolved
,
particularly
in
the
case
of
my
Lord
Stafford
,
mentioned
by
my
Brother
.
And
I
'le
tell
you
my
Opinion
further
,
if
there
be
one
Witness
that
proves
here
what
you
said
at
Oxford
,
and
another
that
proves
what
was
said
in
London
,
if
they
be
in
order
to
the
same
Treason
,
it
is
sufficient
;
for
if
you
do
conspire
to
commit
such
a
Treason
in
London
,
and
you
come
with
such
an
imagination
in
your
Heart
to
Oxford
to
compleat
this
Treason
,
tho
your
Design
was
not
first
formed
there
,
I
think
't
is
enough
to
maintain
an
Indictment
of
Treason
,
and
they
are
two
good
Witnesses
,
though
but
one
speak
to
what
was
done
at
Oxford
,
but
I
must
tell
you
,
in
your
case
there
are
two
full
Witnesses
to
that
which
was
done
at
Oxford
,
besides
Sir
William
Jennings
.
Colledge
.
That
which
Sir
William
Jennings
speaks
of
,
I
told
you
before
what
it
was
I
said
,
It
was
the
first
Blood
that
was
shed
for
the
Parliament
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
The
Parliament
was
dissolved
before
that
which
Sir
William
Jennings
speaks
of
,
therefore
you
could
not
say
it
was
to
defend
the
Parliament
.
Coll.
Mr.
Dugdale
did
say
that
I
spake
such
and
such
words
in
the
Barbers
Shop
in
the
Angel-Inne
;
there
I
was
indeed
at
the
time
that
he
does
speak
of
,
and
the
Barber
was
by
,
I
do
think
,
indeed
it
were
convenient
to
have
him
here
;
but
I
knew
not
where
he
would
charge
me
,
or
what
it
was
he
would
charge
me
with
,
because
I
never
said
any
thing
in
my
life
that
was
like
Treason
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
,
call
any
Witnesses
you
will
.
Coll.
But
,
my
Lord
,
pray
let
me
ask
you
one
Question
more
;
You
take
these
words
distinct
from
any
matter
of
Fact
don't
you
?
L.
c.
j.
No
,
complicated
with
the
Fact
,
which
was
the
Overt-Act
,
the
coming
to
Oxon.
with
Pistols
,
to
make
one
if
there
had
been
any
disturbance
,
and
to
seize
the
King
.
Colledge
.
Then
,
my
Lord
,
I
would
ask
you
,
whether
,
any
Act
of
Treason
done
at
London
,
shall
be
given
in
Evidence
to
prove
the
Treason
for
which
I
am
now
indicted
,
and
which
was
given
in
Evidence
before
the
Grand
Jury
,
upon
which
the
Tryal
was
there
grounded
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Any
Act
of
Treason
this
is
of
the
same
kind
.
And
I
'le
tell
you
,
that
was
resolved
in
Sir
Henry
Vanes
case
;
those
that
gave
you
that
paper
understand
it
.
But
I
speak
now
to
your
capacity
,
and
to
satisfie
your
Question
.
He
was
indicted
for
levying
War
against
the
King
,
he
conspired
in
Westminster
,
the
War
was
levyed
in
another
County
;
the
Conspiracy
upon
the
Tryal
was
proved
in
the
County
of
Middlesex
,
and
the
War
in
another
place
,
and
yet
it
was
held
sufficient
to
maintain
the
Indictment
in
the
County
of
Middlesex
.
Colledge
.
There
was
a
War
really
levyed
,
but
God
be
thanked
here
is
only
bare
words
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Yes
,
Actions
too
.
Colledge
.
What
Actions
,
my
Lord
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Arming
your self
and
coming
to
Oxford
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Well
,
I
have
told
you
my
Opinion
;
My
Brothers
will
speak
theirs
,
if
they
think
otherwise
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
That
is
not
your
case
neither
,
though
I
am
of
the
same
opinion
with
my
Lord
;
for
here
are
two
Witnesses
have
proved
plain
matter
of
Fact
at
Oxford
;
the
providing
Arms
your self
,
and
encouraging
others
to
take
Arms
—
Colledge
.
They
name
no
persons
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
will
have
my
Opinion
,
and
yet
you
will
give
me
no
leave
to
speak
;
I
had
patience
to
hear
you
:
You
are
told
there
are
two
Witnesses
,
Turbervile
and
Dugdale
,
that
prove
your
providing
and
having
of
Arms
at
Oxon.
and
perswading
others
to
take
Arms
,
particularly
Turbervile
,
He
told
you
he
had
no
Arms
,
or
but
a
case
of
Pistols
,
and
he
had
no
Horse
;
but
you
told
him
you
would
provide
him
an
Horse
.
And
then
there
are
two
other
Witnesses
,
Smith
and
Bryan
Haynes
,
they
do
not
tell
you
of
any
thing
done
at
Oxford
,
but
they
tell
you
what
you
said
in
their
hearing
of
what
you
had
done
in
Oxon.
and
so
I
think
if
the
Witnesses
are
to
be
believed
,
there
is
a
very
full
proof
against
you
.
Mr.
just
.
Raymond
.
I
am
of
the
same
Opinion
truly
,
and
I
cannot
find
,
but
that
there
is
proof
enough
by
two
Witnesses
,
Turbervile
and
Dugdale
,
of
what
was
done
at
Oxford
.
They
swear
matter
of
Fact
,
not
Words
only
,
but
Actions
also
.
Coll.
No
Fact
,
but
that
I
had
Pistols
and
a
Sword
,
and
that
I
should
tell
Mr.
Turbervile
I
would
provide
him
an
Horse
,
which
is
still
but
Words
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
But
you
shall
hear
anon
for
the
full
conviction
of
you
and
all
others
,
the
Statute
of
the
13th
.
of
this
King
read
to
you
,
and
you
shall
there
see
that
such
words
are
made
Treason
.
Coll.
But
I
beseech
your
Lordship
to
tell
me
whether
there
must
not
be
two
Witnesses
to
the
same
words
at
the
same
time
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
No
,
it
was
the
Resolution
of
all
the
Judges
in
the
case
of
my
Lord
Stafford
in
the
presence
of
the
Parliament
,
and
the
Parliament
proceeded
upon
it
.
M.
Ser.
Jeff.
In
the
same
Tryal
where
Mr.
Colledge
was
a
Witness
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
All
the
whole
House
of
Commons
prayed
Judgement
upon
my
Lord
Stafford
,
pursuant
to
that
Resolution
.
L.
c.
j.
Come
will
you
call
any
Witnesses
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
do
not
question
but
to
prove
this
one
of
the
Hellishest
Conspiracies
that
ever
was
upon
the
face
of
the
Earth
,
and
these
the
most
notorious
wicked
men
,
an
absolute
design
to
destroy
all
the
Protestants
of
England
,
that
have
had
the
courage
to
oppose
the
Popish
Plot.
In
which
no
man
of
my
condition
hath
done
more
then
I
have
done
.
I
was
bred
a
Protestant
,
and
continued
so
hitherto
,
and
by
the
Grace
of
God
I
will
dye
so
.
If
that
they
had
known
of
these
words
that
I
should
speak
,
and
such
a
design
that
I
should
have
before
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxon.
and
be
with
me
in
Oxon.
when
the
Parliament
sat
,
if
they
had
been
good
Subjects
,
they
ought
to
have
had
me
apprehended
.
Turbervile
came
several
times
indeed
,
and
dined
with
me
.
I
did
not
bid
him
go
out
of
doors
,
nor
invited
him
thither
;
he
was
a
man
I
had
no
disrespect
for
,
nay
he
was
a
man
I
valued
,
thinking
he
had
done
the
Nation
service
against
the
Papists
;
that
this
man
should
hear
me
speak
such
words
against
His
Majesty
,
who
was
then
in
this
Town
,
and
know
of
such
a
dangerous
design
to
attempt
the
seizing
of
his
Person
,
or
that
I
should
discover
a
great
party
that
were
ready
to
do
it
,
I
think
there
is
scarce
any
man
of
reason
,
but
will
say
,
if
this
were
really
done
and
spoken
by
me
,
neither
of
them
would
or
ought
to
have
concealed
it
,
but
discover
it
;
none
of
them
has
ever
charged
me
with
any
such
thing
,
they
have
been
in
my
company
since
.
I
never
had
any
correspondence
with
any
of
them
but
Dugdale
,
then
pray
consider
how
improbable
it
is
,
that
I
should
talk
of
such
things
to
Papists
,
Priests
and
Irish-men
,
who
have
broke
their
faith
with
their
own
party
,
that
faith
which
they
gave
under
the
penalty
of
Damnation
,
men
that
have
been
concerned
in
Plots
and
Treasons
,
to
murder
and
cut
the
Throats
of
Protestants
,
that
I
should
be
such
a
mad
man
to
trust
these
people
,
when
I
could
receive
no
manner
of
obligation
from
them
,
nor
could
give
any
trust
to
them
,
they
having
before
broke
either
Faith
;
especially
,
considering
I
could
lay
no
such
Oaths
and
Obligations
upon
them
,
who
was
a
Protestant
;
then
't
is
the
greatest
non
sense
,
to
believe
that
I
would
say
these
things
before
persons
whom
I
could
never
hope
would
conceal
my
Treasons
,
having
discovered
their
own
.
If
they
speak
truth
concerning
the
general
Popish
Plot
,
that
could
be
no
obligation
upon
me
to
trust
them
with
another
;
and
they
cannot
say
,
that
they
ever
obliged
me
in
any
one
respect
.
My
Lord
,
I
thank
God
I
have
had
some
acquaintance
in
the
world
,
and
have
been
concerned
with
some
persons
of
Honour
,
Noblemen
and
Parliament
men
,
that
I
know
are
as
good
Subjects
as
any
His
Majesty
has
;
these
never
found
me
a
Fool
,
nor
a
Rascal
,
so
great
a
Knave
,
as
to
have
any
such
thoughts
in
my
heart
,
nor
so
great
a
mad-man
,
or
so
foolish
,
as
to
go
to
discover
them
to
Papists
,
Priests
,
and
Irish-men
,
to
men
of
their
condition
,
that
were
ready
to
starve
for
Bread
.
As
for
Haynes
and
Smith
,
that
run
so
fast
through
all
their
Evidence
,
the
first
time
that
ever
I
set
my
eyes
on
Haynes
,
was
in
the
Coffee-House
that
he
speaks
of
;
Macnamarra
comes
in
,
and
desires
me
to
go
out
with
with
him
,
and
I
should
hear
the
greatest
Discovery
of
a
piece
of
Villany
against
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury's
Life
,
that
ever
I
heard
many
life
.
This
Captain
Brown
,
who
is
now
dead
,
a
man
that
I
had
not
known
but
a
month
before
(
for
I
think
it
was
in
March
last
when
this
was
)
could
testifie
for
me
;
For
I
came
to
him
,
Captain
,
said
I
,
here
is
a
Discovery
offered
to
be
made
to
me
,
of
a
Design
to
take
away
my
Lord
Shaftsbury's
Life
.
Macnamarra
asks
me
to
go
to
the
Hercules
Pillars
,
I
went
along
with
him
,
and
took
Captain
Brown
with
us
.
Afterwards
he
fell
sick
in
April
,
and
is
now
dead
,
so
I
lost
a
main
Evidence
in
the
case
.
He
was
the
only
man
that
was
by
at
the
time
;
God
knows
my
Heart
,
I
speak
nothing
but
the
truth
,
I
took
him
with
me
,
Haynes
began
to
discover
to
us
,
that
Fitz-Gerald
had
employed
him
to
fetch
over
Macnamarra
,
and
if
he
would
come
in
,
and
swear
against
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
,
which
was
his
design
,
it
would
not
be
long
e're
his
Head
were
taken
off
,
and
he
said
,
He
had
given
in
a
Paper
of
High
Treason
against
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
,
I
asked
what
it
was
,
He
told
me
,
That
my
Lord
should
tell
Fitz-Gerald
that
he
had
a
design
to
bring
this
Kingdom
to
a
Common
Wealth
,
and
to
root
out
the
Family
of
the
Stuarts
.
This
he
said
Fitz-Gerald
had
given
in
in
a
Paper
under
his
own
Hand
;
and
I
think
he
said
,
He
had
sworn
it
,
and
sent
Haynes
to
fetch
Macnamarra
to
swear
agaist
my
Lord
the
same
things
too
.
I
writ
down
all
the
Heads
of
the
Discourse
which
Captain
Brown
heard
as
well
as
I.
After
he
had
said
it
,
he
desired
us
to
conceal
it
.
Sir
,
said
I
,
You
are
a
stranger
to
me
,
and
these
are
great
and
strange
things
that
you
do
tell
us
,
Macnamarra
and
Browne
and
Ivy
,
and
others
were
there
,
which
(
if
they
were
honest
men
)
they
would
come
and
testifie
.
I
thought
them
honest
men
,
and
that
they
had
none
of
those
wicked
designs
in
their
Hearts
,
that
now
I
find
they
have
.
So
says
Haynes
,
I
do
not
know
this
man
,
meaning
me
;
Macnamarra
told
him
,
I
was
an
honest
man
,
he
might
lay
his
Life
in
my
hands
.
After
he
had
spoken
all
this
,
he
desired
us
to
conceal
it
;
Said
he
,
I
will
not
only
discover
this
,
but
a
great
deal
more
of
their
Rogueries
that
I
know
very
well
;
Said
I
to
him
again
,
I
will
not
conceal
it
,
nor
do
you
no
wrong
,
for
if
this
be
true
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
shall
know
it
to
night
;
for
where
there
is
a
Design
to
take
away
a
Peer
of
the
Realm
,
I
will
not
conceal
it
;
but
if
it
be
false
,
and
you
have
said
more
then
comes
to
your
share
,
recant
it
again
,
and
we
will
take
no
notice
of
it
,
only
say
you
are
a
Knave
for
speaking
of
it
;
he
swore
Dam
him
it
was
all
true
,
that
and
a
great
deal
more
,
which
he
said
he
knew
,
about
seizing
and
destroying
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
about
an
Army
in
the
North
that
was
to
be
raised
about
the
time
of
the
sitting
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
of
a
French
Army
that
was
to
land
in
Ireland
at
the
same
time
,
that
the
D.
of
York
was
to
be
at
the
Head
of
them
,
and
the
intention
was
,
to
destroy
all
the
Protestants
.
Upon
this
,
I
was
resolved
,
if
I
lived
,
to
come
along
with
the
Parliament
,
and
if
there
was
any
such
Design
,
I
was
resolved
to
live
and
die
with
them
,
but
I
had
no
more
then
common
Arms
,
a
Sword
and
a
case
of
Pistols
,
and
my
Cap
was
a
Velvet
Cap
,
and
nothing
else
.
My
Lord
,
I
had
the
Honour
to
be
sent
for
,
when
the
Parliament
sat
last
at
Westminster
,
the
Sessions
in
October
,
it
was
an
Honourable
occasion
,
and
I
thank
those
worthy
Gentlemen
that
sent
me
for
the
Honour
of
it
,
there
I
begun
to
be
popular
as
to
my
Name
,
for
from
that
time
they
began
to
call
me
the
Protestant
Joyner
,
because
the
Parliament
had
intrusted
me
.
My
Lord
Grey
was
pleased
to
send
his
Footman
for
me
to
the
Crown
Tavern
behind
the
Exchange
,
where
there
were
several
worthy
Lords
,
Peers
of
the
Realm
,
and
one
Hundred
of
the
Commons
,
that
had
dined
there
that
day
,
it
was
the
day
before
they
sat
;
after
they
had
dined
I
came
to
them
,
and
the
Duke
of
Monmouth
told
me
,
They
had
heard
a
good
Report
of
me
,
that
I
was
an
honest
man
,
that
understood
Building
,
and
they
did
confide
in
me
to
search
under
the
Parliament
House
;
they
did
not
really
know
of
any
Design
,
but
they
would
not
be
secure
,
there
might
be
some
tricks
play'd
them
by
the
Papists
,
tho'
we
are
not
afraid
of
them
,
said
the
Duke
,
yet
we
think
fit
to
employ
you
to
search
under
the
Houses
,
whether
you
can
find
any
such
practices
.
So
accordingly
my
Lord
,
I
did
go
,
my
Lord
Lovelace
was
one
of
the
Honourable
Lords
,
and
my
Lord
Herbert
that
went
with
me
,
and
some
of
the
Gentlemen
of
the
House
of
Commons
;
and
those
worthy
Protestant
Lords
were
pleased
to
thank
me
for
my
Service
,
and
did
believe
I
was
active
and
zealous
to
find
out
and
discover
the
bottom
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
so
far
as
it
came
legally
in
my
way
to
do
it
.
My
Lord
,
upon
this
occasion
,
there
was
a
great
kindness
from
them
to
me
,
and
I
had
upon
all
occasions
testimonies
of
it
;
and
this
very
man
who
now
swears
Treasons
against
me
(
which
God
Almighty
knows
is
all
false
)
did
swear
in
his
Affidavit
before
Sir
George
Treby
the
Recorder
of
London
(
I
did
never
see
the
Affidavit
,
indeed
I
was
over
night
at
Sir
George
Treby's
,
but
he
was
not
then
at
leisure
,
but
he
drew
it
up
next
day
,
and
swore
it
)
that
there
was
a
Design
to
destroy
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
and
there
was
not
only
his
Oath
for
it
,
but
it
was
the
general
belief
,
that
some
Evil
was
intended
them
.
All
men
had
cause
to
fear
and
to
suspect
,
the
Papists
did
bear
them
no
good
will
;
and
making
use
of
their
own
observations
,
they
were
generally
armed
with
a
Pistol
,
or
a
Sword
for
themselves
,
in
case
they
should
be
attck'd
by
the
Papists
.
In
order
to
this
,
I
did
come
down
with
my
Lord
Howard
,
my
Lord
of
Clare
,
my
Lord
of
Huntington
,
and
my
Lord
Pagett
,
those
four
worthy
Protestant
Lords
;
and
it
was
two
days
after
the
Parliament
was
sat
,
that
we
came
,
and
I
went
out
of
Town
again
with
my
Lord
Lovelace
,
Sir
Thomas
Player
and
Sir
Robert
Clayton
;
and
I
am
sure
,
they
were
all
in
so
great
a
fear
that
London
should
be
surprized
and
seized
on
by
the
Papists
,
but
there
was
no
mortal
man
that
ever
heard
of
the
Kings
being
seized
,
or
thought
of
it
,
till
these
men
come
and
tell
me
,
that
I
had
such
a
Design
,
and
came
hither
with
that
purpose
;
but
my
Lord
,
I
declare
as
God
is
my
Judge
,
I
would
not
have
it
thought
I
speak
it
to
save
my
life
,
were
it
as
certainly
a
truth
,
as
't
is
most
wickedly
a
falshood
,
that
I
had
had
a
design
to
seize
the
King
,
I
know
not
of
one
man
who
was
to
stand
by
me
,
Parliament
man
,
or
other
persons
whatsoever
;
And
how
is
it
possible
for
me
to
attempt
that
,
being
a
single
person
,
with
only
a
Sword
and
a
case
of
Pistols
,
let
any
man
judge
.
And
I
do
declare
,
I
know
of
no
conspiracy
nor
Design
,
against
the
King
or
Government
,
I
never
spoke
one
of
the
Treasonable
Words
in
my
life
,
that
is
laid
against
me
,
nor
had
ever
any
thoughts
of
any
such
thing
.
God
that
is
my
Eternal
Judge
knows
,
that
what
I
speak
is
true
.
L.
c.
just
.
Well
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
will
you
call
your
Witnesses
,
for
I
must
tell
the
Jury
as
I
did
at
your
request
,
concerning
Mr.
Attorney
,
that
as
nothing
he
said
,
so
nothing
you
say
is
to
be
believed
upon
your
own
Allegation
;
for
then
no
man
would
ever
be
guilty
,
if
his
own
Purgation
by
words
were
to
be
believed
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
thank
God
,
I
know
my
own
innocency
,
and
hope
to
prove
it
.
I
have
a
Soul
that
must
live
to
eternity
,
either
in
joy
or
misery
,
I
act
according
to
those
principles
,
and
I
hope
I
have
some
assurance
of
my
own
Salvation
when
I
dye
:
I
would
not
call
God
to
Witness
to
a
lye
,
to
save
1000
lives
.
My
Lord
,
this
is
a
villanous
conspiracy
against
me
,
and
if
it
take
place
against
me
,
it
may
go
a
great
way
,
God
knows
how
far
.
This
is
the
17th
.
or
18th
.
Sham
Plot
the
Papists
have
made
against
the
Protestants
,
to
get
over
their
own
;
but
I
hope
,
my
Lord
,
God
Almighty
will
never
suffer
it
.
If
they
can
make
me
a
Traytor
,
they
will
try
it
upon
others
,
and
so
hope
to
sham
off
their
own
Treasons
;
but
I
say
,
I
hope
God
Almighty
will
never
suffer
it
.
My
Lord
,
I
think
the
first
Witness
that
swore
against
me
was
Mr.
Dugdale
;
and
I
must
call
my
Witnesses
as
I
have
them
here
,
I
know
no
person
of
them
hardly
,
and
this
tht
is
done
for
my
Defence
was
done
abroad
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
been
kept
close
Prisoner
in
the
Tower
,
and
none
of
them
suffered
to
come
to
me
,
whilst
the
Popish
Lords
have
had
the
liberty
and
priviledge
to
talk
with
their
friends
.
Here
are
Witnesses
I
hope
will
prove
that
those
are
Suborned
men
,
for
Macnamarra
did
tell
me
presently
after
the
Parliament
broke
up
at
Oxon.
and
whispered
it
to
me
in
the
Coffee-House
;
Said
he
,
there
is
a
design
laid
to
make
us
retract
our
Evidence
,
and
go
over
to
Fitz-Gerald
.
Said
I
,
I
suppose
they
have
been
at
that
sport
a
great
while
.
Ah
,
said
he
,
they
make
large
offers
.
Said
I
,
by
whom
?
Said
he
,
Colonel
Warcupp
hath
been
at
me
,
and
he
tells
me
—
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Macnamarra
is
not
produced
against
you
as
a
Witness
at
all
.
Coll.
No
,
but
he
told
me
this
,
that
there
was
such
a
design
;
and
,
said
he
,
I
will
get
you
,
and
some
other
honest
men
;
and
he
desired
me
to
be
by
when
he
had
something
more
to
tell
which
would
do
his
business
for
him
;
but
the
next
news
I
heard
of
him
was
,
he
was
put
into
Newgate
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Call
your
Witnesses
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
prove
what
you
can
.
Coll.
Call
Mr.
Hickman
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
My
Lord
,
I
desire
he
may
observe
the
same
rule
he
desired
about
our
Witnesses
,
that
he
may
call
but
one
at
a
time
.
Colledge
.
Yes
,
yes
,
I
will
call
them
one
by
one
.
L.
c.
j.
Are
not
your
Witnesses
together
?
send
to
them
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
don't
know
,
I
have
not
seen
one
since
I
come
.
This
is
not
the
first
time
,
my
Lord
,
the
Papists
have
designed
to
take
away
my
life
,
though
it
is
the
first
time
they
go
to
take
it
away
by
a
Law
.
L.
c.
j.
I
know
not
of
one
Papist
that
is
a
Witness
against
you
.
Colledge
.
There
is
never
a
man
of
them
,
except
Sir
William
Jennings
,
but
what
was
a
Papists
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
say
you
to
Mr.
Masters
?
Colledge
.
Mr.
Masters
says
nothing
material
,
it
was
only
a
jocose
discourse
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
It
was
very
pleasant
discourse
upon
my
word
;
you
were
as
merry
as
when
you
were
singing
of
the
Rary
Shew
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
What
,
do
you
make
mirth
of
the
blackest
Tragedy
that
ever
was
;
that
horrid
Rebellion
,
and
the
Murther
of
the
late
King
.
Colledge
.
I
never
justified
that
Parliament
in
any
such
thing
that
they
did
contrary
to
Law
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
He
swears
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Hickman
does
not
appear
,
call
another
.
Coll.
Call
William
Shewin
,
(
who
appeared
.
)
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
here
,
Friend
,
you
are
not
to
be
sworn
;
but
when
you
speak
in
a
Court
of
Justice
,
and
in
a
course
of
Justice
,
you
must
speak
as
in
the
presence
of
God
,
and
only
speak
what
is
true
.
Coll.
I
would
not
have
any
body
speak
any
thing
for
me
but
what
is
truth
.
L.
c.
j.
Now
ask
him
what
you
will
.
Colledge
.
I
don't
know
the
Gentleman
.
But
,
pray
,
Sir
,
will
you
tell
what
you
know
of
these
Witnesses
.
Mr.
Shewin
.
Name
any
of
them
that
I
know
,
pray
,
Sir
,
and
I
'll
tell
you
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
Bryan
Haynes
?
Mr.
Shewin
.
I
know
there
is
such
a
man
,
but
I
have
nothing
to
say
to
him
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
Turbervile
?
Mr.
Shewin
.
Yes
.
Colledge
.
Pray
tell
what
you
know
of
him
.
Mr.
Shewin
.
My
Lord
,
I
was
in
Turbervile's
company
on
Thursday
night
last
at
the
Golden
Posts
at
Charing-Cross
,
and
there
I
heard
him
say
,
that
if
I
were
at
Oxford
I
should
hear
strange
things
against
Colledge
,
and
he
would
lay
ten
to
one
that
Mr.
Bethel
and
Mr.
Wilmore
should
be
hanged
at
Christmass
,
and
he
would
lead
him
by
the
Gold-chain
along
Fleetstreet
,
and
down
with
his
Breeches
in
the
middle
of
the
Coffee-House
,
with
a
Band
about
his
neck
and
a
Cloak
.
Mr.
Serj.
jefferies
.
Did
he
say
all
these
things
against
Mr.
Sheriff
Bethel
,
I
assure
you
he
is
a
bold
man
.
Coll.
What
do
you
know
of
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Shewin
.
I
know
him
by
sight
,
but
I
have
nothing
in
particular
to
say
concerning
him
.
I
have
something
to
say
to
Macnamarra
,
Sir
,
if
he
were
here
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
this
conspiracy
in
general
?
Mr.
Jones
.
What
,
of
your
conspiracy
?
Mr.
Shewin
.
I
know
that
they
did
lay
who
should
be
Hang'd
at
Candlemass
,
who
at
Christmass
,
and
who
at
several
other
times
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
What
did
you
hear
Turbervile
say
?
Mr.
Shewin
.
Those
words
I
spake
before
about
Sheriff
Bethel
,
and
about
the
Amsterdam
Coffee-House
.
Colledge
.
Did
they
say
what
time
I
should
be
Hang'd
?
for
the
Discourse
'
rose
about
me
.
Mr.
Shewin
.
One
told
me
that
there
was
one
that
did
design
to
be
returned
upon
this
Jury
,
that
was
resolved
to
hang
him
right
or
wrong
.
Mr.
High
Sher.
My
,
Lord
,
I
did
hear
there
was
such
a
one
,
and
I
left
him
out
of
the
Jury
.
L.
ch.
just
.
For
Mr.
Sheriffs
Honour
we
must
take
notice
of
what
he
hath
said
.
He
says
he
heare
of
a
man
that
spoke
something
of
that
nature
,
and
therefore
he
left
him
out
of
the
Jury
.
Coll.
Now
't
is
possible
these
Witnesses
were
at
the
same
sport
.
Mr.
Shewin
.
Was
Mr.
Peacock
,
Mrs.
Fitz
Harris
Maids
Father
,
or
she
here
,
either
of
them
Witnesses
against
you
?
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
No
,
they
were
not
,
Sir
?
Coll.
They
did
swear
against
me
at
the
finding
of
the
Bill
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
We
have
only
called
these
Witnesses
,
if
you
can
say
any
thing
against
them
,
do
.
Coll.
Call
Henry
Hickman
,
(
who
appeared
.
)
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Where
do
you
live
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Hickman
.
At
Holborn-Bridge
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
What
Trade
are
you
?
Mr.
Hickman
.
A
Cabinet-maker
.
L.
ch.
Just.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Coll.
Do
you
know
Haynes
?
Hickman
.
Yes
,
very
well
,
because
he
used
to
come
to
my
House
to
a
Popish
Widow
that
was
a
Lodger
in
my
House
where
I
live
now
;
and
this
person
was
a
Prisoner
at
Haynes's
when
he
was
a
Prisoner
in
the
Fleet.
I
always
had
a
suspicion
he
was
a
Priest
,
not
that
I
could
accuse
him
really
of
any
thing
;
but
he
several
times
using
to
come
to
my
House
,
I
thought
so
of
him
,
and
discoursing
with
my
Landlady
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Your
Tenant
you
mean
?
Mr.
Hickman
.
Yes
,
my
Tenant
.
I
asked
her
what
this
Fellow
was
;
said
she
,
he
is
a
very
dangerous
Fellow
,
though
he
is
a
Papist
,
and
I
am
one
my self
,
yet
he
is
a
dangerous
person
,
and
he
does
not
much
care
what
he
swears
against
any
one
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
This
your
Tenant
told
you
,
what
do
you
know
your self
?
Mr.
Hickman
.
Another
time
he
came
to
speak
with
my
Tenant
Mrs.
Scot
,
who
is
now
gone
into
Ireland
;
when
he
came
to
the
House
,
he
asked
me
,
is
Mrs.
Scot
within
?
Yes
,
said
I
,
Mr.
Haynes
,
she
is
above
;
and
up
he
goes
,
and
there
they
locked
the
door
,
and
plucked
out
the
Key
;
so
I
slipt
off
my
Shooes
,
for
I
thought
there
might
be
more
danger
from
such
people
than
I
could
discover
any
other
way
.
So
I
went
up
stairs
,
and
stood
at
the
door
and
hearkened
,
hearing
my
Landlady
talk
something
to
him
,
he
wraps
out
a
great
Oath
.
God
dam
me
▪
said
he
,
I
care
not
what
I
swear
,
nor
who
I
swear
against
;
for
't
is
my
Trade
to
get
money
by
swearing
.
Whereupon
,
my
Lord
,
I
came
down
as
fast
as
I
could
,
and
a
little
after
I
saw
him
go
out
,
and
as
soon
as
my
Landlady
came
down
,
said
I
,
Mrs.
Scot
,
I
desire
you
would
provide
your self
as
soon
as
you
can
;
I
would
be
civil
to
you
,
and
I
would
not
put
you
to
a
non-pluss
,
because
your
Goods
by
the
Law
will
be
seized
for
not
departing
according
to
the
Kings
Proclamation
.
So
a
while
ago
,
since
this
business
of
Haynes's
swearing
against
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
,
I
bethought
my self
of
some
other
businesses
I
had
heard
.
To
find
out
the
Knavery
,
I
went
to
the
Fleet
,
where
he
hath
a
very
ill
character
,
as
well
amongst
the
Papists
as
the
Protestants
.
Whereupon
I
asked
one
Fellow
,
that
was
a
kind
of
a
Porter
,
if
he
knew
any
thing
of
him
?
Said
he
,
Go
you
to
such
an
one
—
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
We
must
not
permit
this
for
example
sake
,
to
tell
what
others
said
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Nothing
is
Evidence
but
what
you
know
of
your
own
knowledge
;
you
must
not
tell
what
others
said
.
Hickman
.
This
I
do
say
,
I
heard
him
say
;
and
there
are
those
that
can
produce
a
Letter
—
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Bring
those
people
,
but
you
must
speak
nothing
but
upon
your
own
knowledge
.
Hickman
.
I
was
at
the
Chamber-door
,
and
looked
in
at
the
Key-hole
,
and
he
sat
down
at
the
Window
.
Lo.
ch.
Just.
How
long
ago
was
it
,
pray
?
Hickman
.
A
year
and
an
half
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
You
are
an
Eves-dropper
,
I
perceive
.
Hickman
.
I
did
not
know
what
danger
he
might
bring
men
into
,
because
he
was
a
Papist
.
I
have
taken
an
Oath
to
be
true
to
the
King
,
and
I
will
as
long
as
I
live
.
For
this
Gentleman
,
I
never
beheld
him
,
till
last
night
,
in
all
my
days
;
though
he
lived
by
me
,
I
never
saw
him
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Well
,
call
the
next
.
Coll.
I
never
saw
this
Gentleman
;
but
you
see
what
Haynes
hath
declared
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
This
man
says
he
did
say
so
.
Colledge
.
And
,
for
ought
I
perceive
,
he
does
accordingly
.
Call
Elizabeth
Oliver
:
(
Who
appeared
.
)
L.
ch.
just
.
Mrs.
Oliver
,
stand
up
.
What
do
you
ask
her
?
Coll.
Do
you
know
Haynes
,
pray
;
Bryan
Haynes
.
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
Yes
.
Coll.
Pray
tell
the
Court
what
you
know
of
him
.
Mrs.
Oliver
.
I
know
him
very
well
.
L.
c.
j.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
He
writ
a
Letter
in
my
Fathers
name
,
unknown
to
my
Father
.
L.
c.
j.
Did
you
see
him
write
it
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
I
saw
him
write
it
.
L.
c.
j.
Read
it
.
By
whom
is
it
subscribed
?
Clerk
.
By
no
body
.
L.
c.
j.
Why
,
how
is
it
written
in
your
Fathers
name
,
when
it
is
not
subscribed
at
all
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
He
writ
it
,
as
from
my
Father
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Whether
did
he
bring
it
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
He
sent
it
into
the
Countrey
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Can
you
write
and
read
,
Mistress
.
Mrs.
Oliver
.
Yes
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Who
did
he
send
it
by
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
The
Carrier
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
When
was
it
dated
?
Clerk
.
In
77.
L.
c.
j.
Read
the
Letter
.
(
Which
was
done
.
)
Clerk
Reads
.
L.
c.
j.
What
is
all
this
to
the
purpose
,
unless
your
Father
were
here
to
prove
it
was
done
without
his
knowledge
.
Mrs.
Oliver
.
My
Father
did
not
write
it
.
L.
c.
j.
Was
your
Father
in
the
Fleet
then
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
he
was
a
Prisoner
then
.
Coll.
Mrs.
Oliver
,
Do
you
know
any
thing
more
of
him
?
Mrs.
Oliver
.
I
have
known
him
a
great
while
,
I
know
him
to
be
a
very
ill
man
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Must
she
tell
you
all
she
knows
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
you
ever
know
him
forswear
himself
.
Mrs.
Oliver
.
No
,
I
do
not
know
that
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Come
,
call
another
;
this
is
nothing
to
the
purpose
.
Coll.
Call
Mrs.
Hall
:
(
who
appeared
.
)
Pray
,
do
you
know
Mr.
Bryan
Haynes
.
Mrs.
Hall
.
Yes
,
if
I
see
him
I
know
him
very
well
.
Colledge
.
What
do
you
know
of
him
.
Mrs.
Hall
.
He
lodged
at
my
House
,
and
came
there
the
day
before
Fitz-Harris
was
Tryed
,
and
there
was
a
great
discourse
about
his
Tryal
,
and
I
was
enquiring
of
him
,
and
I
told
him
I
must
expose
my
ignorance
,
I
did
not
know
what
it
was
he
was
tried
for
:
And
,
said
he
,
if
you
please
to
sit
down
,
I
will
tell
you
:
Madam
Portsmouth
came
to
him
,
and
went
upon
her
knees
,
and
begg'd
of
him
,
if
he
had
any
kindness
for
his
Majesty
,
that
he
would
now
shew
it
at
this
juncture
;
and
she
told
him
she
had
heard
he
had
formerly
acquaintance
with
one
Mr.
Everard
abroad
,
and
therefore
desired
him
to
go
now
and
renew
it
,
and
endeavour
to
get
him
over
,
and
,
if
he
could
possibly
,
to
get
over
some
others
to
make
a
Presbyterian
Plot
of
it
.
This
is
true
,
I
very
well
know
it
:
As
for
this
Gentleman
,
I
never
saw
his
face
before
;
but
those
were
the
words
I
am
sure
.
L.
c.
j.
What
were
the
words
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
That
they
might
make
a
Presbyterian
Plot
of
it
.
Coll.
Did
he
say
so
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
He
said
that
the
Dutchess
of
Portsmouth
did
so
.
L.
c.
j.
What
a
story
is
this
?
Coll.
Did
not
he
s●y
that
the
Dutchess
of
Portsmouth
employed
him
too
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
No
,
this
was
about
Fitz-harris
.
Coll.
What
do
you
know
more
about
Haynes
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
One
night
he
had
been
about
some
business
for
me
in
Law
with
one
Mr.
Woodward
an
Attorney
at
Law
,
and
when
he
returned
I
was
busie
in
the
Kitchen
with
my
Maid
about
the
House
,
and
he
came
up
to
me
;
Madam
,
said
he
,
this
night
I
had
a
message
from
the
King
;
a
Justice
of
Peace
met
me
,
and
brought
me
word
that
the
King
had
sent
into
Ireland
to
enquire
into
the
Loyalty
of
my
Family
,
and
he
hath
heard
that
my
Father
was
a
Loyal
Subject
,
but
he
understood
strange
things
of
me
;
but
if
I
would
come
in
,
he
would
grant
me
my
Pardon
.
I
told
him
,
said
he
,
I
did
not
value
his
Majesties
Pardon
a
pin
,
for
I
had
done
nothing
that
might
make
me
stand
in
need
of
it
;
but
I
would
do
any
thing
that
might
tend
to
the
preservation
of
his
Majesties
Person
or
Honour
;
but
to
do
such
base
things
as
are
beneath
a
man
,
I
will
never
do
it
;
and
he
wisper'd
me
in
the
ear
as
the
accusing
of
several
persons
;
)
and
since
,
he
sent
me
a
Letter
by
his
Mother
in
Law
,
Mrs.
Wingfield
,
that
I
should
not
believe
it
,
if
I
heard
he
should
accuse
any
body
;
but
I
might
be
confident
he
had
not
,
nor
would
not
accuse
any
body
.
Colledge
.
Was
he
to
swear
against
the
Protestants
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
I
did
not
enquire
any
questions
;
but
he
said
,
such
base
things
he
would
never
do
,
as
the
accusing
of
several
persons
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
Mistress
,
did
you
believe
him
when
he
told
you
he
was
so
honest
a
man
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
How
do
you
mean
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
he
said
he
would
not
do
those
base
things
,
did
you
believe
him
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
I
never
saw
his
face
before
he
came
there
to
lodge
;
but
I
saw
him
to
be
a
man
that
made
little
conscience
of
what
he
said
or
swore
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
not
you
find
him
a
bragging
man
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
I
had
little
discourse
,
but
what
he
said
of
himself
.
But
there
is
one
thing
more
about
an
Intelligence
:
When
Thompson
had
written
something
in
his
Intelligence
concerning
Bryan
Haynes
,
he
said
he
would
write
an
Answer
to
it
;
and
accordingly
he
reads
it
to
us
:
he
said
,
he
was
going
that
evening
to
get
it
put
into
one
of
the
Intelligences
:
the
words
were
to
this
purpose
.
Whereas
one
Nathaniel
Thompson
had
falsely
and
maliciously
accused
one
Bryan
Haynes
for
speaking
Treasonable
words
;
he
the
said
Bryan
Haynes
doth
declare
,
that
he
challenges
any
man
to
charge
him
with
it
:
but
he
owned
he
had
an
hand
,
or
was
employed
to
put
the
Plot
upon
the
dissenting
Protestants
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Did
he
publish
that
in
the
Intelligence
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
I
never
read
it
published
;
but
he
had
writ
it
,
and
read
it
to
us
several
times
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Do
you
go
to
Church
,
Mistress
?
Mrs.
Hall
.
I
hope
I
do
.
M.
Ser.
Jeff.
To
what
Church
?
Colledge
.
Call
Mary
Richards
,
Mrs.
Halls
maid
.
(
who
stood
up
.
)
L.
c.
j.
What
will
you
ask
her
?
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
Bryan
Haynes
,
pray
.
Richards
.
Yes
,
he
lodged
there
where
I
lived
.
Colledge
.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Richards
.
I
know
he
writ
that
in
the
Intelligence
my
Mistress
spoke
of
;
Thompson
in
his
Intelligence
,
accusing
him
of
having
spoken
Treason
,
he
read
what
he
said
he
would
put
into
the
Intelligence
:
That
he
never
spake
one
word
of
Treason
,
and
he
writ
it
for
his
own
Vindication
;
that
whereas
Nathaniel
Thompson
,
in
his
Intelligence
of
the
18th
.
of
June
,
had
maliciously
accused
one
Bryan
Haynes
of
Treasonable
words
;
there
was
no
such
thing
.
L.
c.
j.
And
that
was
to
vindicate
him
,
that
he
never
did
speak
any
Treasonable
words
?
Richards
.
Yes
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
ask
her
any
thing
else
?
Colledge
.
I
cannot
tell
what
she
says
.
L.
c.
j.
She
says
,
he
writ
something
that
was
in
answer
to
Thompsons
Intelligence
,
to
vindicate
himself
,
that
he
never
did
speak
any
Treasonable
words
.
Coll.
But
did
you
hear
him
say
any
thing
of
these
words
,
that
he
was
employed
in
a
Plot
against
the
Protestants
?
Richards
.
I
read
that
,
in
what
he
writ
to
put
in
the
Intellgence
,
that
he
challenged
any
one
to
appear
,
and
charge
him
with
Treason
;
but
,
said
he
,
I
own
that
I
was
employed
,
or
had
an
hand
,
in
putting
the
Plot
upon
the
dissenting
Protestants
:
and
he
telling
my
Mistress
he
had
a
message
from
the
King
,
offering
him
his
Pardon
;
I
asked
him
why
he
did
not
accept
the
Kings
Pardon
.
Alass
,
said
he
,
you
do
not
understand
what
I
was
to
do
for
it
;
I
was
to
do
such
base
things
so
beneath
a
man
,
that
I
will
never
do
them
:
I
had
Five
Hundred
pounds
offered
me
,
besides
the
Kings
Pardon
,
to
do
such
base
things
as
are
beneath
a
man
to
do
.
Coll.
What
were
the
base
things
he
said
he
was
to
do
,
and
would
not
do
?
Richards
.
I
cannot
tell
,
he
did
not
say
to
me
what
they
were
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
was
this
?
Richards
.
It
was
a
week
before
he
was
taken
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
That
is
two
months
ago
.
Coll.
It
was
since
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxford
:
But
what
was
that
he
was
employed
to
do
,
did
he
say
?
Richards
.
Why
,
he
said
in
his
Answer
to
the
Intelligence
,
he
was
one
that
had
an
hand
to
put
the
Plot
upon
the
dissenting
Protestants
.
Coll.
Call
Mrs.
Wingfield
;
(
who
appeared
.
)
L.
c.
j.
What
is
your
Christian
Name
?
Mrs.
Wingfield
.
Mary
.
L.
c.
j.
What
do
you
ask
her
?
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
this
Bryan
Haynes
,
pray
?
Mrs.
Wingfield
.
Yes
,
very
well
.
Colledge
.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Mrs.
Wingfield
.
I
know
nothing
of
him
,
but
he
is
an
honest
man
;
he
married
my
Daughter
,
and
always
carried
himself
like
a
Gentleman
,
he
scorns
the
thing
that
is
unhandsome
,
and
never
did
any
thing
that
is
unhandsome
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Ser
jeff.
Pray
,
how
came
you
by
this
Witness
?
Have
you
any
more
of
them
?
Coll.
I
never
saw
her
before
,
but
I
believe
she
hath
said
something
else
in
another
place
.
Did
you
ever
say
the
contrary
,
pray
?
Mrs.
Wingfield
.
No
body
can
say
so
;
and
I
had
done
the
Gentleman
a
great
deal
of
wrong
if
I
had
.
Coll.
Call
Mr.
Whaley
,
(
who
appeared
.
L.
c.
j.
What
is
your
Name
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Whaley
.
John
Whaley
.
Coll.
Did
you
know
Bryan
Haynes
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Where
do
you
dwell
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Whaley
.
At
the
Hermitage
,
beyond
the
Tower
.
Coll.
I
don't
know
you
,
Sir
;
but
what
do
you
know
of
him
?
Mr.
Whaley
.
I
never
saw
you
,
Sir
,
till
to
day
;
but
that
which
I
think
I
am
called
for
is
this
;
though
it
was
upon
Sunday
that
I
receiv'd
this
same
Subpoena
to
come
down
hither
:
but
about
six
years
ago
,
Bryan
Haynes
was
a
prisoner
in
the
Kings
Bench
,
and
he
came
down
to
the
Cellar
which
I
had
taken
of
the
Marshal
to
sell
Drink
in
;
and
coming
down
to
drink
in
one
of
the
Rooms
of
the
Cellar
that
belong
to
me
,
he
took
away
a
tankard
,
and
went
up
with
it
.
One
of
the
men
followed
him
up
;
so
I
went
to
the
Marshal
to
complain
,
and
told
him
of
it
:
and
the
Marshal
took
him
from
the
Masters
side
,
and
put
him
into
the
common
side
.
That
is
all
I
know
of
him
any
way
,
directly
or
indirectly
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Why
did
you
not
indict
him
of
it
?
Mr.
Whaley
.
I
acquainted
the
next
Justice
of
the
Peace
,
who
was
the
Marshal
;
and
he
put
him
from
the
Masters
side
into
the
common
side
.
L.
c.
j.
He
was
no
good
Justice
of
the
Peace
in
the
mean
time
.
Coll.
Call
Mr.
John
Lun
,
(
who
appeared
.
)
Do
you
know
Bryan
Haynes
,
Mr.
Lun
?
Mr.
Lun
.
I
have
seen
him
twice
:
the
first
time
I
ever
saw
him
was
,
I
went
into
the
Derby-Ale-House
,
to
enquire
for
one
Miclethwayte
,
a
Kinsman
of
mine
,
and
there
this
Bryan
Haynes
was
in
a
little
Room
next
the
Ditch
,
near
the
Door
that
goes
out
there
,
as
if
he
were
asleep
,
and
he
roused
himself
up
;
and
,
as
I
was
walking
there
,
Sir
,
said
he
,
will
you
take
part
of
a
Tankard
with
me
:
(
That
was
his
expression
.
)
With
that
,
said
I
,
I
do
not
care
if
I
do
.
And
the
first
thing
he
began
was
the
Kings
Health
,
then
the
Queens
,
then
the
Duke
of
Yorks
;
then
he
fell
very
foul
against
the
Grand
Jury
,
because
they
had
not
found
the
Bill
against
Colledge
,
who
is
a
Gentleman
that
I
never
saw
before
in
my
life
but
once
,
as
I
know
of
:
and
he
said
,
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
was
a
little
Toad
,
but
he
would
do
his
business
very
suddenly
.
Then
he
raised
upon
the
Parliament
,
and
said
they
were
a
Company
of
Rogues
,
they
would
giue
the
King
no
mony
,
but
he
would
help
him
to
mony
enough
out
of
the
Phanaticks
Estates
.
And
he
said
,
they
would
damn
their
Souls
to
the
Devil
before
the
Catholick
cause
should
sink
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
When
was
this
?
Mr.
Lun
.
It
was
three
or
four
days
after
the
Bill
was
brought
in
ignoramus
by
the
Grand
Jury
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Was
he
alone
?
Mr.
Lun
.
Yes
,
he
was
.
Colledge
.
Is
that
all
you
have
to
say
?
Mr.
Lun
.
One
thing
more
,
my
Lord
.
On
monday
last
I
was
at
Uxbridge
,
and
a
Gentleman
sent
his
man
on
purpose
to
let
me
know
I
must
go
to
Colebrook
,
and
stay
till
they
came
thither
.
When
I
came
there
,
I
met
Bryan
Haynes
at
the
Crown
Kitchin-window
,
and
he
was
stirring
a
Glass
of
Brandy
,
and
sweetning
it
with
Sugar
.
Said
he
,
Sir
,
will
you
drink
?
Here
is
the
Kings
Health
to
you
:
So
I
drank
,
and
I
asked
him
how
he
did
?
Do
you
know
me
,
Sir
,
said
he
.
Yes
,
said
I
,
I
drank
with
you
once
.
Says
he
,
you
have
a
good
memory
.
So
then
a
pint
of
Sack
was
called
for
,
and
after
that
another
,
and
then
came
down
Mrs.
Peacock
;
and
being
very
fine
,
all
in
her
flower'd
Silks
,
I
asked
what
Gentlewoman
that
was
?
Said
he
,
it
is
Mrs.
Fitz-Harris
.
No
,
says
I
,
it
is
not
;
they
say
she
is
gone
.
But
,
said
he
,
it
is
her
maid
;
and
Sheriff
Bethel
is
to
marry
her
.
As
I
have
a
Soul
to
save
,
I
tell
you
nothing
but
what
is
truth
.
Thereupon
said
I
,
Sheriff
Bethel
is
able
to
maintain
her
;
he
hath
a
good
Estate
.
But
,
said
he
,
it
shall
be
the
Kings
e're
long
.
Coll.
So
that
here
is
a
plain
design
against
all
the
eminent
Protestants
.
Mr.
Lun
.
So
with
that
,
my
Lord
,
if
it
please
your
Honour
,
I
clapped
my
Groat
down
at
the
Bar
,
and
went
out
of
the
Room
.
Nay
,
said
he
,
let
us
have
one
Health
more
:
and
so
he
had
his
Tankard
,
and
I
had
mine
.
Haynes
.
I
humbly
desire
you
to
call
for
Mr.
White
,
the
Kings
Messenger
,
who
was
by
.
I
never
saw
the
man
before
he
was
at
Uxbridge
;
and
asking
Mr.
White
who
he
was
,
said
he
,
His
name
is
Lun
,
he
was
my
prisoner
two
years
.
L.
c.
just
.
What
say
you
to
the
discourse
he
talks
of
at
Fleet-bridge
?
Haynes
.
My
Lord
,
I
am
upon
my
Oath
,
and
I
never
saw
him
in
my
life
before
I
saw
him
at
Uxbridge
.
Mr.
Lun
.
I
will
take
the
Sacrament
upon
it
,
that
what
I
have
averred
is
true
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
I
suppose
you
are
both
known
,
and
then
your
Credit
will
be
left
to
the
Jury
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
There
is
Mr.
White
;
pray
,
swear
him
.
(
which
was
done
.
)
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Do
you
remember
that
Haynes
asked
who
Mr.
Lun
was
.
Mr.
White
.
It
was
at
the
Bar
of
the
Crown
Inn
at
Uxbridge
,
and
I
being
there
,
Mr.
Lun
came
into
the
yard
,
and
I
knowing
Mr.
Lun
asked
him
,
How
he
did
;
He
said
he
was
glad
to
see
me
;
and
he
called
for
a
pint
of
Sack
to
make
me
drink
.
Haynes
stood
by
,
and
he
asked
who
he
was
and
I
told
him
;
and
we
drank
the
Kings
Health
;
but
for
any
thing
of
those
words
that
were
spoken
there
,
Sir
,
I
did
hear
not
one
word
of
them
,
but
he
thanked
me
for
my
civility
when
I
summoned
him
up
to
Court
,
and
seeing
Mr.
Haynes
by
,
he
asked
who
he
was
?
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
And
you
,
take
it
upon
your
Oath
,
that
he
asked
you
,
who
Haynes
was
?
Mr.
White
.
Yes
,
I
do
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Pray
did
you
hear
any
discourse
that
time
as
if
there
had
been
a
meeting
upon
Fleet-bridge
.
Mr.
White
.
Not
one
word
of
that
?
Mr.
Lun
.
I
will
take
the
Sacrament
upon
it
,
what
I
say
is
true
.
M.
Ser.
Jeff.
We
know
you
,
Mr.
Lun
;
we
only
ask
questions
about
you
,
that
the
Jury
may
know
you
too
,
as
well
as
we
.
We
remember
what
once
you
swore
about
an
Army
.
Colledge
.
I
don't
know
him
.
Mr.
Lun
.
I
don't
come
here
to
give
Evidence
of
any
thing
but
the
truth
;
I
was
never
upon
my
knees
before
the
Parliament
for
any
thing
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Nor
I
neither
for
much
;
but
yet
once
you
were
,
when
you
cryed
,
Scatter
them
good
Lord
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Broadgate
.
L.
ch.
Just.
What
is
your
Christian
Name
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Broadg.
Jeremiah
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Mr.
Broadg.
My
Lord
,
I
am
a
stranger
to
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
;
what
I
have
to
say
,
is
concerning
Mr.
Turbervile
,
whom
I
met
one
day
,
and
he
asked
me
how
I
did
?
said
he
,
I
owe
you
a
little
Money
,
but
I
will
pay
you
in
a
short
time
;
but
if
you
will
go
to
drink
a
glass
of
Ale
;
no
,
said
I
,
I
am
in
haste
,
and
do
not
care
for
going
to
drink
;
said
he
,
you
shall
go
;
so
away
we
went
,
and
when
we
were
sat
,
said
he
,
When
did
you
see
Turbervile
that
was
my
Lord
Powis's
Butler
;
said
he
,
he
was
a
great
Rogue
to
me
,
and
when
I
stood
up
for
the
Nations
good
,
he
vilified
my
Evidence
,
and
afterwards
he
came
to
me
with
Doctor
_____
to
beg
my
pardon
;
but
I
would
not
forgive
him
for
the
whole
World
:
And
speaking
of
the
Kings
Evidence
,
said
he
,
the
Kings
Evidence
are
looked
upon
as
nothing
,
as
poor
inconsiderable
mean
Fellows
,
and
their
Sallaries
are
lessened
;
and
,
said
he
,
I
have
had
the
greatest
proffers
from
Court
,
of
preferment
and
rewards
,
if
I
would
go
from
what
I
have
said
,
and
come
upon
the
contrary
;
and
he
repeated
it
,
Yes
,
upon
the
Faith
of
a
man
,
and
from
the
Highest
:
But
,
said
he
,
I
have
a
Soul
and
a
Body
;
a
Body
for
a
time
,
but
my
Soul
for
eternity
,
and
I
cannot
go
from
it
.
He
went
over
it
again
;
I
might
have
what
I
would
if
I
would
go
from
what
I
have
said
,
and
come
upon
the
contrary
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
But
he
does
not
go
from
any
thing
of
what
he
hath
said
.
Coll.
Did
he
say
what
he
was
offered
,
and
by
whom
?
Mr.
Broadg.
He
said
he
had
very
great
offers
from
the
Court
,
if
he
would
disown
the
Plot
,
and
go
upon
the
contrary
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
But
he
does
not
disown
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Nay
,
he
had
a
Soul
to
save
,
and
could
not
go
from
it
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
You
talk
of
the
contrary
,
and
the
contrary
;
what
did
he
mean
by
that
,
what
Plot
should
he
disown
?
Mr.
Broadg.
The
Popish
Plot.
L.
c.
j.
He
does
not
disown
it
,
nor
never
did
disown
it
.
Coll.
He
would
have
made
a
Presbyterian
Plot
of
it
now
;
for
he
cannot
say
I
am
in
the
Popish
Plot.
Sir
,
do
you
know
any
thing
more
of
him
,
or
did
he
name
me
,
or
that
he
was
to
swear
against
me
,
or
any
Protestant
?
Mr.
Broadg.
No
,
only
he
said
the
Kings
Evidence
were
vilified
,
and
looked
upon
as
poor
inconsiderable
Fellows
:
But
it
seemed
,
if
he
would
go
on
the
other
side
,
he
might
have
great
preferments
and
rewards
.
L.
c.
j.
You
make
a
wrong
comment
upon
it
,
Mr.
Colledge
;
it
was
if
he
would
retract
his
Evidence
,
and
disown
the
Plot.
Coll.
I
leave
it
to
your
Lordship
and
the
Jury
to
make
the
sense
of
it
.
Mr.
Broadg.
I
saw
Mr.
Turbervile
since
I
come
hither
,
and
he
asked
,
Are
you
come
,
Mr.
Broadgate
,
to
give
Evidence
against
me
?
says
I
,
I
am
come
to
declare
the
truth
,
and
nothing
but
the
truth
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
You
might
have
staid
at
home
for
any
thing
material
that
you
do
Evidence
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Zeal
,
(
who
appeared
.
)
L.
ch.
just
.
What
is
your
Christian
Name
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
John
.
L.
c.
j.
What
would
you
ask
him
?
Mr.
Ser.
Holloway
.
Where
do
you
dwell
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
In
London
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Whereabouts
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
In
Fetter-Lane
.
Mr.
Ser.
Holl.
What
Countrey-man
are
you
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
Somersetshire
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Whereabouts
in
Somersetshire
were
you
born
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
By
Sir
William
Portmans
,
within
six
miles
of
him
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
What
Trade
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
No
Trade
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Have
you
any
Estate
.
Mr.
Zeal
.
My
Father
has
.
I
was
bred
to
wait
upon
a
person
of
Quality
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
Turbervile
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
Yes
Sir
,
I
do
.
Coll.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
Sir
,
I
know
nothing
but
what
Mr.
Ivy
told
me
with
his
own
mouth
.
L.
c.
j.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
your
own
knowledge
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Has
Mr.
Turbervile
told
you
any
thing
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
Not
concerning
Mr.
Colledge
,
he
has
not
.
Coll.
Ivy
was
amongst
them
.
Mr.
Zeal
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
he
was
the
first
that
swore
this
Presbyterian
Plot.
Coll.
Can
you
say
nothing
of
your
own
knowledge
concerning
Turbervile
?
Mr.
Zeal
.
Nothing
but
what
Mr.
Ivy
told
me
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
That
is
not
of
your
own
knowledge
,
and
so
it
is
nothing
,
for
he
is
not
produced
in
this
cause
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
give
me
leave
to
call
Mr.
Ivy.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Do
if
you
will
.
(
He
stood
up
.
)
Coll.
What
was
that
you
heard
Turbervile
say
of
me
,
or
of
any
Presbyterian
Plot
?
Ivy.
I
never
heard
him
say
any
thing
concerning
a
Presbyterian
Plot
in
my
life
.
Colledge
.
Did
not
you
tell
Zeal
of
such
a
thing
?
Ivy.
No
,
I
never
did
.
Coll.
Heark
you
.
Mr.
Ivy
;
you
have
sworn
against
me
,
have
you
not
?
Ivy.
What
I
have
sworn
against
you
,
or
against
any
other
person
,
is
true
.
Coll.
What
have
you
sworn
against
me
?
Ivy.
I
am
not
bound
to
answer
you
.
Coll.
Did
not
you
call
me
out
,
with
Macnamarra
and
Haynes
,
to
the
Hercules-Pillars
?
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
I
will
tell
you
something
for
Law
;
and
to
set
you
right
;
whatsoever
Witnesses
you
call
,
you
call
them
as
Witnesses
to
testifie
the
truth
for
you
;
and
if
you
ask
them
any
questions
,
you
must
take
what
they
have
said
as
truth
:
therefore
you
must
not
think
to
ask
him
any
question
,
and
afterwards
call
another
Witness
to
disprove
your
own
Witness
.
Coll.
I
ask
him
,
was
he
the
first
time
with
us
when
I
was
called
out
of
the
Coffee-house
to
hear
Haynes's
Discovery
?
L.
c.
j.
Let
him
answer
you
if
he
will
,
but
you
must
not
afterwards
go
to
disprove
him
?
Coll.
If
he
were
sworn
against
me
,
I
would
not
ask
him
any
questions
,
for
he
is
among
them
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Ask
him
what
you
will
.
Coll.
I
desire
not
if
he
have
sworn
against
me
,
for
truly
I
can't
expect
a
good
Answer
from
him
;
but
he
was
by
when
Haynes
made
his
discovery
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
ask
him
any
questions
?
Coll.
I
ask
whether
he
hath
given
any
Evidence
against
me
any
where
?
Ivy.
I
am
not
bound
to
answer
you
.
L.
c.
j.
Tell
him
if
you
have
.
Ivy.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
I
have
.
Colledge
.
Then
I
think
he
is
no
good
Witness
for
me
,
when
he
hath
sworn
against
me
.
Ivy.
I
have
sworn
against
him
and
others
.
You
know
that
you
and
I
have
had
a
great
many
Intrigues
about
this
business
in
hand
,
and
how
we
dealt
with
Mr.
Haynes
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
he
does
not
call
you
for
a
Witness
for
him
,
you
can
testifie
nothing
,
and
so
you
must
be
quiet
.
Coll.
Call
Mr.
Lewes
.
(
Who
appeared
)
L.
c.
j.
What
is
your
Christian
Name
?
Mr.
Lewes
.
William
.
Coll.
Pray
,
Mr.
Lewes
,
what
do
you
know
about
Turbervile
?
Mr.
Lewes
.
I
know
nothing
at
all
,
I
assure
you
,
of
him
that
is
ill
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
concerning
any
of
the
Evidence
that
hath
been
given
here
?
Mr.
Lewes
.
If
I
knew
any
thing
relating
to
you
,
I
would
declare
it
;
but
I
know
something
of
Mr.
Ivy
;
it
has
no
relation
to
you
,
as
I
conceive
,
but
against
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
.
Lo.
c.
j.
You
would
call
Ivy
for
a
Witness
,
and
now
you
call
one
against
him
;
and
that
I
told
you
you
must
not
do
:
but
Ivy
is
not
at
all
in
this
case
.
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
the
rest
of
them
;
Haynes
,
or
Smith
,
or
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Lewes
.
No
more
than
what
Mr.
Zeal
told
me
was
told
him
.
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
a
Presbyterian
Plot
?
Mr.
Lewes
.
If
the
Court
please
to
hear
me
,
I
will
tell
my
knowledge
of
that
;
but
I
know
nothing
that
affects
him
in
the
least
,
only
that
which
concerns
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
.
L.
ch.
just
.
That
is
nothing
to
the
purpose
;
call
another
.
Mr.
Lewes
.
There
was
not
,
to
my
knowledge
,
a
word
mentioned
of
your
Name
:
I
will
do
you
all
the
justice
I
can
;
if
I
knew
any
thing
concerning
you
,
I
would
be
sure
to
relate
it
.
Coll.
I
cannot
say
who
can
,
or
who
cannot
:
I
am
a
stranger
to
all
of
it
.
Lo.
ch.
Just.
Well
,
call
your
next
Witness
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
There
was
a
Petition
presented
to
the
Common
Council
of
London
,
wherein
they
set
out
,
that
they
were
tamper'd
withal
about
a
Plot
against
the
Protestants
.
Lo.
c.
j.
A
Petition
from
whom
?
Coll.
I
cannot
tell
from
whom
;
from
some
of
these
witnesses
.
L.
c.
j.
Who
preferred
and
signed
it
?
Coll.
Mr.
Turbervile
was
one
.
Pray
call
Dr.
Oates
.
L.
c.
j.
The
Prisoner
calls
upon
you
,
Mr.
Oates
.
What
would
you
ask
him
,
Mr.
Colledge
?
Coll.
Where
is
the
Petition
to
the
Common
Council
,
Doctor
?
Dr.
Oates
.
I
have
it
here
in
my
hand
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
By
whom
was
it
presented
?
Dr.
Oates
.
It
was
given
by
Mr.
Turbervile
and
Mr.
Macnamarra
,
to
Mr.
Wilmoe
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Was
you
by
when
it
was
delivered
?
Dr.
Oates
.
Mr.
Wilmore
did
deliver
it
to
me
before
he
was
apprehended
;
for
,
being
to
come
down
as
a
Witness
,
he
was
taken
up
,
and
committed
to
prison
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Whose
hands
are
to
it
?
Dr.
Oates
.
I
know
Mr.
Turbervile's
hand
,
he
will
not
disown
it
.
Clerk
,
Reads
.
It
is
subscribed
Edward
Turbervile
,
John
Macnamarra
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
;
what
word
is
there
in
all
this
Petition
that
,
is
a
contradiction
to
what
they
have
said
now
?
Colledge
.
I
did
not
hear
it
,
my
Lord
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
They
say
they
are
constant
Witnesses
for
the
King
,
against
the
Papists
;
and
they
have
been
tempted
to
unsay
what
they
have
said
:
How
does
that
contradict
what
they
say
now
?
Coll.
I
suppose
they
say
they
have
been
tempted
to
turn
the
Plot
upon
other
people
,
and
to
make
a
Plot
upon
the
Protestants
.
L.
c.
j.
They
have
been
tempted
,
they
say
,
by
the
Papists
,
to
unsay
what
they
have
said
;
but
the
Jury
have
heard
it
read
,
and
will
give
it
its
due
weight
.
Will
you
ask
Mr.
Oates
any
questions
?
Colledge
.
What
do
you
know
of
Mr.
Turbervile
?
Dr.
Oates
.
As
to
Turbervile
,
my
Lord
,
a
little
before
the
Witnesses
were
sworn
at
the
Old-Bailey
,
I
met
with
Mr.
Tubervile
:
I
was
in
a
Coach
,
but
seeing
Mr.
Turbervile
,
I
stept
out
of
the
Coach
,
and
spoke
with
him
;
for
,
hearing
that
he
was
a
Witness
,
I
did
ask
him
whether
he
was
a
Witness
or
no
against
Colledge
?
Mr.
Turbervile
said
,
He
would
break
any
one's
Head
that
should
say
so
against
him
;
for
he
neither
was
a
Witness
,
nor
could
give
any
Evidence
against
him
.
So
after
he
came
from
Oxon.
I
met
with
Mr.
Turbervile
again
;
and
,
hearing
he
had
been
there
,
I
asked
him
if
he
had
sworn
any
thing
against
Colledge
?
He
said
,
yes
,
he
had
been
sworn
before
the
Grand
Jury
.
Said
I
,
did
not
you
tell
me
so
and
so
?
Why
,
said
he
,
the
Protestant
Citizens
have
deserted
us
;
and
God
dam
him
,
he
would
not
starve
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Would
he
say
so
to
you
?
Dr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
He
said
those
very
words
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
'T
is
Mr.
Oates
saying
,
't
is
Mr.
Turbervile's
Oath
.
Dr.
Oates
.
Several
times
he
did
repeat
it
;
but
when
I
asked
him
what
he
had
sworn
,
He
said
I
am
not
bound
to
satisfie
peoples
curiosities
.
L.
c.
j.
What
say
you
to
it
,
Mr.
Turbervile
?
Mr.
Turbervile
.
My
Lord
,
the
first
part
of
the
Doctor
's
discourse
,
in
part
is
true
;
I
met
him
just
at
my
Lodgings
,
and
the
Doctor
alighted
out
of
his
Coach
,
and
spoke
to
me
,
and
invited
me
to
come
to
my
old
Friends
;
for
he
told
me
they
had
some
jeajousie
that
I
was
not
true
to
them
:
and
he
told
me
,
if
I
would
come
to
the
King's-Head
Club
,
I
should
be
received
with
a
great
deal
of
kindness
;
and
never
afterwards
did
I
speak
with
the
Doctor
a
tittle
about
any
Evidence
.
L.
ch.
Just.
He
says
,
you
said
you
would
break
any
one's
Head
,
that
said
you
were
an
Evidence
against
Colledge
;
for
you
were
not
,
nor
could
be
.
Mr.
Turbervile
.
There
was
no
such
thing
said
by
me
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Upon
your
Oath
,
did
you
tell
him
so
?
Mr.
Turberv
.
Upon
my
Oath
,
I
did
not
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Did
you
tell
him
that
other
passage
,
when
you
swore
you
would
not
starve
?
Mr.
Turbervile
.
No
,
I
did
not
.
Dr.
Oates
.
Upon
the
word
of
a
Priest
,
what
I
say
is
true
.
My
Lord
,
I
do
say
,
as
I
am
a
Minister
,
I
speak
it
sincerely
,
in
the
presence
of
God
,
this
Gentleman
did
say
these
words
to
me
,
which
made
me
afraid
of
the
man
,
and
I
went
my
ways
,
and
never
spake
with
him
afterwards
,
nor
durst
I
;
for
I
thought
he
that
would
swear
and
curse
after
that
rate
,
was
not
fit
to
be
talked
with
.
L.
c.
j.
'T
is
very
improbable
that
he
should
say
so
to
you
.
Mr.
Turbervile
.
I
always
looked
upon
Dr.
Oates
as
a
very
ill
man
,
and
never
would
converse
much
with
him
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
ask
him
any
thing
more
?
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
the
rest
,
Doctor
?
Dr.
Oates
.
I
know
nothing
of
Turbervile
further
,
but
that
he
did
present
this
Petition
,
wherein
he
says
,
he
lay
under
great
temptations
to
go
on
the
other
side
,
and
accuse
some
Protestants
.
And
truly
till
I
heard
he
was
an
Evidence
at
Oxon.
after
what
he
had
said
to
me
,
I
did
not
believe
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Doctor
Oates
,
Mr.
Turbervile
hath
not
changed
Sides
,
you
have
;
he
is
still
an
Evidence
for
the
King
,
you
are
against
him
.
Dr.
Oates
.
Mr.
Attorney
,
I
am
a
Witness
for
truth
,
against
falshood
and
subornation
;
and
it
can
plainly
be
made
to
appear
there
is
subornation
against
the
Protestants
.
And
moreover
,
my
Lord
,
—
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Oates
,
you
would
do
well
to
explain
your self
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
If
there
be
any
subornation
relating
to
Mr.
Turbervile
,
or
any
of
the
other
Witnesses
that
have
now
sworn
against
Colledge
,
make
it
out
,
Doctor
.
Dr.
Oates
.
There
is
,
my
Lord
,
and
there
will
be
made
further
to
appear
in
time
to
come
.
To
my
own
knowledge
as
to
Mr.
Smith
,
Mr.
Colledge
and
Mr.
Smith
had
some
provoking
words
passed
betwixt
them
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
,
and
Mr.
Smith
comes
out
and
swears
,
God
dam
him
,
he
would
have
Colledge
's
blood
.
So
,
my
Lord
,
when
I
met
him
;
said
I
,
Mr.
Smith
,
you
profess
your self
to
be
a
Priest
,
and
have
stood
at
the
Altar
;
and
now
you
intend
to
take
upon
you
the
Ministry
of
the
Church
of
England
,
and
these
words
do
not
become
a
Minister
of
the
Gospel
;
his
reply
was
,
God
dam
the
Gospel
;
this
is
truth
,
I
speak
it
in
the
presence
of
God
and
man
.
L.
c.
j.
Can
you
say
any
thing
of
any
of
the
other
Witnesses
.
Dr.
Oates
.
As
for
Mr.
Dugdale
,
I
was
ingaged
for
him
for
50
l.
for
last
Lent
Assizes
,
he
wanted
money
to
go
down
to
the
Assizes
,
having
paid
some
debts
,
and
paid
away
all
his
money
;
and
so
I
engaged
for
50
l.
that
he
borrowed
of
Richard
the
Coffee-man
.
After
he
came
from
Oxon.
I
called
upon
him
to
hasten
to
get
his
money
of
the
Lords
in
the
Treasury
;
which
,
as
near
as
I
remember
,
was
ordered
him
upon
his
Petition
,
for
so
I
heard
.
And
at
that
time
,
said
he
,
Sir
,
I
hear
there
is
a
great
noise
of
my
being
an
Evidence
;
against
whom
,
said
I
,
against
several
Protestants
,
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
,
and
others
,
said
I
:
I
never
heard
any
thing
of
it
;
says
he
,
there
is
no
body
hath
any
cause
to
make
any
such
report
of
me
;
for
I
call
God
to
witness
,
I
know
nothing
against
any
Protestant
in
England
.
After
that
I
met
with
Dugdale
at
Richard's
Coffee-house
,
and
pressing
him
for
the
money
,
and
he
saying
he
had
it
not
just
then
,
but
would
pay
it
in
a
little
time
:
Mr.
Dugdale
,
said
I
,
you
have
gone
,
I
am
afraid
,
against
your
conscience
;
I
am
sure
against
what
you
have
declared
to
me
;
said
he
,
it
was
all
long
of
Colonel
Warcupp
,
for
I
could
get
no
money
else
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Oates
is
a
thorough-pac'd
Witness
against
all
the
King's
Evidence
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
And
yet
Dr.
Oates
had
been
alone
in
some
matters
,
had
it
not
been
for
some
of
these
Witnesses
.
Dr.
Oates
.
I
had
been
alone
perhaps
,
and
perhaps
not
;
but
yet
,
Mr.
Serjeant
,
I
had
always
a
better
Reputation
than
to
need
theirs
to
strengthen
it
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Does
any
man
speak
of
your
Reputation
;
I
know
no
body
does
meddle
with
it
,
but
you
are
so
tender
.
Colledge
.
Sir
George
,
Now
a
man
is
upon
his
life
,
I
think
you
do
not
do
well
to
affront
his
Witnesses
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
I
do
not
affront
him
;
but
now
,
my
Lord
,
pray
give
us
leave
to
call
our
Witnesses
.
Mr.
Smith
,
pray
stand
up
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Smith
,
do
you
hear
what
Mr.
Oates
hath
said
?
Mr.
Smith
.
No
,
my
Lord
.
L.
c.
j.
Then
speak
it
again
,
Mr.
Oates
.
Dr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
I
will
speak
it
to
his
face
.
He
said
,
coming
out
of
Richard's
Coffee-house
,
they
having
had
some
provoking
words
,
as
I
understood
when
I
come
in
,
God
dam
that
Colledge
,
I
will
have
his
blood
;
and
,
my
Lord
,
when
I
did
reprove
him
,
and
said
to
him
,
Mr.
Smith
,
you
have
been
a
Priest
,
and
stood
at
the
Altar
,
and
intend
to
be
a
Minister
of
the
Church
of
England
,
these
words
do
not
become
a
Minister
of
the
Gospel
;
and
he
replied
,
God
dam
the
Gospel
;
and
away
he
went
.
L.
ch.
just
.
What
say
you
to
it
,
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Smith
.
Not
one
word
of
this
is
true
,
upon
my
Oath
.
'T
is
a
wonderful
thing
you
should
say
this
of
me
;
but
I
will
sufficiently
prove
it
against
you
,
that
you
have
confounded
the
Gospel
,
and
denied
the
Divinity
too
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Mr.
Dugdale
,
you
heard
what
was
said
against
you
.
Dr.
Oates
.
My
Lord
,
now
Dugdale
is
come
I
will
tell
you
something
more
.
There
was
a
Report
given
out
by
Mr.
Dugdale's
means
,
that
Mr.
Dugdale
was
poysoned
;
and
in
truth
,
my
Lord
,
it
was
but
the
Pox.
And
this
Sham
passed
throughout
the
Kingdom
in
our
Intelligencies
;
and
this
I
will
make
appear
by
the
Physician
that
cured
him
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
That
is
but
by
a
third
Hand
.
Dr.
Oates
.
He
did
confess
that
he
had
an
old
Clap
,
and
yet
he
gave
out
he
was
poysened
;
but
now
,
my
Lord
,
as
to
what
I
said
before
of
him
,
I
was
engaged
for
50
l.
for
Mr.
Dugdale
,
do
you
own
that
?
Mr.
Dugdale
,
I
do
own
it
.
Dr.
Oates
.
I
did
press
upon
you
to
hasten
the
payment
of
it
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Yes
,
you
did
.
Dr.
Oates
.
And
did
not
you
come
to
me
and
tell
me
,
there
was
a
noise
of
your
being
an
Evidence
,
it
was
in
time
just
before
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
was
taken
up
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
I
never
spoke
to
you
till
you
spake
to
me
.
Dr.
Oates
.
My
Lord
,
He
came
,
and
said
to
me
.
There
is
a
noise
of
my
being
an
Evidence
;
now
I
had
not
heard
it
then
;
but
the
day
after
I
did
hear
it
,
and
I
did
justifie
Mr.
Dugdale
.
because
he
had
said
to
me
that
he
had
nothing
against
any
Protestant
in
England
.
So
I
did
stand
up
in
vindication
of
him
;
but
,
my
Lord
,
after
he
had
sworn
at
the
Old
Baily
I
met
him
again
,
and
pressed
him
for
the
money
,
and
urged
him
with
it
,
why
he
had
sworn
against
Colledge
,
when
he
had
told
me
so
and
so
before
,
and
he
said
it
was
all
long
of
Colonel
Warcup
;
for
he
could
not
get
his
money
else
;
and
Colonel
Warcup
did
promise
he
should
have
a
place
at
the
Custom-House
.
Mr.
Dugdale
.
Upon
the
Oath
I
have
taken
,
and
as
I
hope
for
Salvation
,
it
is
not
true
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Here
is
Dugdale's
Oath
against
Dr.
Oats's
saying
.
Dr.
Oates
.
Mr.
Serjeant
,
you
shall
hear
of
this
in
another
place
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
'T
is
an
unhappy
thing
that
Dr.
Oates
should
come
in
against
these
men
that
supported
his
Evidence
before
.
Mr.
Dugd.
My
Lord
,
I
say
further
,
if
any
Doctor
will
come
forth
and
say
he
cured
me
of
a
Clap
,
or
any
such
thing
,
I
will
stand
guilty
of
all
that
is
imputed
to
me
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
,
will
you
call
any
other
Witnesses
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
think
this
is
not
fair
dealing
with
a
man
for
his
Life
;
because
these
men
be
upon
their
Oaths
,
and
deny
the
things
again
that
my
Witnesses
prove
,
therefore
what
they
swear
must
needs
be
taken
for
truth
:
but
if
my
Witness
comes
and
says
such
a
thing
upon
the
word
of
a
Minister
,
and
in
the
presence
of
God
,
and
which
he
is
ready
to
maintain
by
an
Oath
,
sure
it
is
not
to
stand
for
nothing
;
nor
he
to
be
hooted
out
of
Court
,
because
Mr.
Dugdale
denies
it
upon
his
Oath
,
I
do
suppose
he
will
not
acknowledge
it
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
I
am
the
Prisoner
,
and
cannot
be
heard
as
a
Witness
for
my self
:
but
God
is
my
Witness
,
he
hath
said
a
great
deal
more
to
me
formerly
;
and
he
hath
told
me
when
I
have
seen
him
with
Warcup
,
and
asked
him
why
he
kept
company
with
Warcup
,
and
others
;
said
he
,
I
know
they
are
suspected
men
,
but
I
must
keep
company
with
them
to
get
my
money
;
what
would
you
have
me
do
,
starve
.
And
when
I
lent
him
money
out
of
my
pocket
,
and
trusted
him
with
my
Horse
,
I
dunn'd
him
for
money
and
could
not
get
it
;
said
I
,
will
you
pay
me
the
5
l.
I
lent
you
;
he
put
me
off
,
said
he
,
I
shall
have
it
,
for
the
Attorney
General
hath
made
up
his
Accompts
,
and
he
is
very
kind
to
me
;
why
then
,
said
I
,
why
have
you
it
not
;
said
he
,
he
is
my
Friend
,
and
I
do
not
question
the
getting
of
it
;
but
here
is
new
work
to
be
done
,
such
work
as
my
conscience
will
not
serve
me
to
do
;
there
is
more
Roguery
,
they
will
never
have
done
plotting
,
and
counterplotting
;
but
they
will
make
a
thousand
Plots
if
they
can
to
destroy
the
real
one
.
L.
c.
j.
Can
you
prove
this
now
?
Coll.
No
,
it
was
spoken
to
my self
;
and
no
body
was
by
but
my self
.
L.
c.
j.
Then
you
should
not
speak
it
.
But
you
asked
the
question
whether
a
man
may
not
be
believed
upon
his
word
,
as
well
as
he
that
is
upon
his
Oath
.
Your
Witnesses
are
not
upon
their
Oaths
,
but
they
may
be
Witnesses
,
and
their
weight
is
to
be
left
with
the
Jury
;
they
will
consider
how
improbable
it
is
,
that
these
men
should
come
,
three
men
to
one
man
,
and
all
of
them
should
speak
that
which
would
make
themselves
Rogues
and
Villains
;
and
that
one
man
of
them
,
Smith
,
should
say
such
words
,
as
,
God
damn
him
,
he
would
have
his
blood
,
and
God
damn
the
Gospel
:
that
Dugdale
should
confess
he
was
wrought
upon
by
Warcup
to
testifie
against
his
Conscience
;
and
that
Turbervile
should
say
to
that
purpose
,
He
would
not
starve
;
they
have
sworn
the
contrary
,
and
so
there
are
all
these
three
mens
Oaths
against
one
mans
Affirmation
;
but
it
must
be
left
to
the
Jury
.
Coll.
There
is
his
Affirmation
against
what
they
three
say
.
He
charges
every
one
of
them
,
and
't
is
but
the
single
denial
of
every
one
of
them
to
his
Charge
.
L.
c.
j.
'T
is
improbable
they
should
own
themselves
such
Villains
to
him
.
Dr.
Oates
.
They
must
be
so
,
if
they
will
do
what
they
have
undertaken
.
I
hope
my
Word
will
be
believed
as
soon
as
their
Oaths
.
Coll.
It
is
not
to
be
thought
,
but
when
they
have
sworn
so
against
me
,
they
will
deny
any
such
thing
when
they
are
charged
with
it
.
L.
c.
j.
Have
you
done
with
your
Witnesses
?
Or
will
you
call
any
more
?
Coll.
What
is
said
upon
an
honest
mans
word
in
the
face
of
a
Court
,
is
certainly
to
be
believed
as
well
as
what
is
sworn
.
L.
c.
j.
'T
is
a
Testimony
,
that
is
most
certain
,
and
must
be
left
to
the
Jury
,
they
must
weigh
one
against
the
other
.
But
pray
,
Mr.
Colledge
will
you
call
your
Witnesses
,
for
it
begins
to
grow
late
.
Coll.
There
is
Mr.
Wilmore
,
that
was
a
material
Witness
for
me
,
who
was
Foreman
of
the
Grand
Jury
,
that
would
not
find
the
Bill
upon
this
Evidence
.
What
he
had
to
say
I
don't
know
,
but
I
am
informed
it
was
very
material
for
me
.
L.
c.
j.
It
will
be
enough
for
him
to
clear
himself
,
for
he
is
charged
with
High
Treason
,
and
by
two
Witnesses
too
.
Colledge
.
Call
.
Alexander
Blake
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
John
Smith
?
Mr.
Blake
.
Yes
,
Sir
.
Coll.
Pray
will
you
tell
the
Court
what
you
know
of
John
Smith
.
Mr.
Blake
.
I
suppose
you
mean
this
Gentleman
.
Mr.
John
Smith
,
Gent.
came
to
me
one
morning
,
and
told
me
there
was
one
Haynes
under
Examination
,
and
Haynes
had
discovered
very
material
things
against
some
great
persons
:
this
passed
,
and
within
few
days
after
I
met
Mr.
Smith
at
the
Exchange
Coffee-House
,
and
having
saluted
him
,
I
desired
him
to
drink
a
glass
of
Wine
,
and
so
we
went
to
the
Sun
Tavern
,
and
when
we
were
there
,
I
asked
him
,
what
his
sense
was
of
Haynes
,
and
his
Discovery
?
Said
he
,
't
is
a
Sham
Plot
:
I
asked
him
what
he
meant
by
that
Sham
Plot
?
Said
he
,
't
is
a
meal-tub
Plot.
This
is
all
that
I
know
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
you
ask
him
any
thing
else
?
Mr.
Blake
.
I
know
nothing
more
.
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
Turbervill
or
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Blake
.
Sir
,
I
have
no
acquaintance
with
him
,
nor
desire
it
.
But
I
was
acquainted
with
this
Gent.
Mr.
Smith
,
I
know
him
very
well
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
You
say
well
,
stand
down
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Samuel
Smith
.
L.
ch.
just
.
What
ask
you
him
?
Colledge
.
What
he
knows
of
Mr.
Smith
.
Mr.
S.
Smith
.
Mr.
John
Smith
and
I
have
had
an
intimacy
and
acquaintaince
several
months
,
and
since
Mr.
John
Smith
swore
at
the
Old
Baily
against
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
was
gone
out
of
Town
,
several
people
have
talked
with
me
concerning
him
,
and
asking
me
what
I
thought
of
him
?
I
told
them
,
I
believed
he
was
an
honest
man
,
however
I
would
not
believe
otherwise
till
I
knew
a
reason
of
it
.
They
told
me
,
that
he
had
sworn
against
Mr.
Colledge
,
that
he
was
to
seize
the
King
at
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
,
and
that
there
was
1500
Barrels
of
Powder
,
and
it
was
to
carry
on
a
Presbyterian
Plot
:
Said
I
,
I
will
never
believe
it
,
and
the
rather
because
he
hath
said
to
me
often
,
there
was
a
Popish
Plot
,
but
he
does
not
believe
any
Presbyterian
or
Protestant
Plot
;
and
said
I
further
,
as
to
his
giving
in
any
Evidence
with
Irish-men
,
I
believe
it
the
less
for
that
;
for
I
have
heard
him
often
say
,
they
were
a
company
of
Rogues
that
had
done
the
Protestant
Interest
more
harm
than
ever
they
would
do
it
good
,
and
bid
me
have
a
care
of
coming
into
their
company
,
and
many
other
such
things
,
that
Mr.
Smith
here
knows
to
be
true
.
Then
,
my
Lord
,
when
Mr.
Smith
came
home
(
for
I
was
very
impatient
till
he
did
come
home
to
hear
every
day
such
things
said
against
him
)
I
went
to
see
him
.
Said
I
,
Cousin
Smith
,
I
have
had
great
confronts
about
you
since
you
went
away
,
but
I
hope
you
can't
be
that
ill
man
you
are
represented
to
be
,
and
truly
I
should
be
sorry
it
should
be
so
:
pray
Cousin
,
said
I
,
I
have
put
every
man
off
with
this
,
that
I
would
suspend
my
belief
of
you
till
I
had
spoken
with
your self
;
what
is
the
Evidence
you
have
given
?
They
say
,
you
have
sworn
a
Presbyterian
Plot
,
or
a
Protestant
Plot
,
a
Design
of
seizing
the
King
at
Oxon.
and
of
so
many
Barrels
of
Gen-powder
that
were
provided
.
Says
my
Cousin
,
I
did
swear
no
such
thing
,
nor
never
a
word
of
any
such
thing
as
a
Protestant
Plot
,
or
a
Presbyterian
Plot
,
and
pray
do
not
believe
it
of
me
.
No
,
said
I
,
I
thought
you
could
not
swear
any
such
thing
,
because
you
have
said
often
to
me
,
you
believed
there
was
no
such
thing
.
I
do
not
believe
it
yet
,
said
he
,
and
as
to
whatsoever
Colledge
said
,
I
did
not
believe
it
,
for
he
did
not
believe
it
himself
.
And
Mr.
Smith
told
me
after
his
return
that
he
did
not
know
of
any
Protestant
concerned
in
the
Plot.
L.
c.
j.
He
does
not
say
now
't
is
a
Protestant
Plot.
Mr.
S.
Smith
.
So
far
from
that
,
that
he
told
me
after
his
Return
he
did
not
know
any
Protestant
concerned
in
the
Plot.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Smith
,
thus
I
understand
you
.
You
say
that
he
said
to
you
,
That
he
had
not
testified
any
thing
of
a
Protestant
Plot
,
nor
did
believe
there
was
any
Protestant
Plot
,
for
he
did
not
believe
what
Colledge
said
himself
:
So
by
that
discoure
it
seems
he
did
not
deny
,
but
he
had
testified
against
Mr.
Colledge
,
but
he
did
not
believe
there
was
any
Protestant
Plot
?
Mr.
S.
Smith
.
No
,
my
Lord
,
he
did
not
deny
but
he
had
sworn
against
Colledge
.
Mr.
just
Jones
.
Nor
that
what
he
had
said
against
Colledge
was
true
;
Mr.
S.
S.
No
my
Lord
,
but
he
did
not
believe
him
,
and
he
thought
Colledge
did
not
believe
it
himself
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
It
seems
Mr.
Colledge
thinks
the
whole
Protestant
Interest
concerned
in
him
.
L.
c.
j.
The
question
is
Mr.
Colledge
what
you
had
in
your
mind
,
not
what
was
in
the
mind
of
all
the
Protestants
.
Mr.
S.
S.
This
I
do
say
,
I
would
not
speak
more
nor
less
than
the
truth
,
he
did
not
deny
,
but
he
had
heard
Colledge
speak
those
words
he
swore
,
but
he
did
not
believe
him
,
and
I
think
Mr.
Smith
hath
said
that
at
another
time
before
Mr.
Gardner
.
Coll.
If
he
knew
of
no
Protestant
Plot
,
it
was
very
unlikely
that
I
should
attempt
such
a
thing
my self
.
Mr.
S.
S.
My
Lord
,
I
find
Mr.
Smith
hath
been
very
passionate
and
very
inveterate
of
late
against
other
men
that
he
hath
given
me
a
very
good
report
of
before
;
And
when
I
was
talking
of
this
,
I
was
saying
,
if
it
be
true
that
people
say
of
you
,
a
man
goes
in
danger
of
his
life
to
converse
with
you
.
Mr.
Smith
,
said
he
,
I
do
not
care
for
all
the
men
between
Wapping
and
Charing-cross
,
there
is
never
a
man
that
will
forbear
my
company
,
but
would
do
or
say
as
much
as
Colledge
hath
done
or
said
.
Mr.
J.
Smith
.
'T
is
true
,
and
I
say
so
still
.
Coll.
'T
is
a
contradiction
in
it self
,
That
there
should
be
such
a
design
and
none
but
my self
to
do
it
.
God
my
righteous
Judge
knows
my
innocency
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
might
say
those
words
in
hopes
they
would
be
of
your
party
and
made
so
by
your
Libels
and
poysonous
Pictures
.
L.
c.
j.
Come
,
call
another
Witness
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Tho.
Gardner
.
But
my
Lord
,
how
likely
is
it
that
I
should
say
,
That
I
would
seize
the
King
,
when
he
it
seems
says
,
he
did
not
believe
there
was
one
man
to
stand
by
me
?
L.
c.
j.
What
say
you
to
this
Gentleman
?
Coll.
I
never
saw
him
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Gardner
.
Nor
I
you
,
Sir
.
Colledge
.
I
know
not
three
of
all
that
come
here
.
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
will
you
ask
him
any
thing
?
Coll.
Pray
,
do
you
know
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Gardner
.
Yes
.
Coll.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Can
you
say
any
thing
concerning
this
matter
that
is
sworn
against
of
Treason
?
Mr.
Gardner
.
My
Lord
,
this
day
fortnight
I
think
it
was
,
Mr.
S.
Smith
,
the
Gentleman
that
was
just
now
up
before
me
,
sent
for
me
to
the
Rummer
in
Queen-street
to
drink
a
glass
of
Wine
,
where
,
when
I
came
,
I
found
him
and
Mr.
J.
Smith
that
is
here
,
whom
they
call
Narrative
Smith
,
talking
very
briskly
concerning
one
Colledge
,
I
suppose
that
is
the
Gentleman
,
and
the
Jury
that
acquitted
him
,
and
he
said
that
two
or
three
of
the
Jury-men
were
Rascals
and
Villains
;
and
,
says
he
,
they
talk
up
and
down
the
Town
as
if
I
did
intend
to
Sham
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
to
make
a
Protestant
Plot
;
which
,
said
he
,
I
vow
to
God
,
and
I
will
justifie
it
before
God
,
and
all
the
World
,
that
I
know
of
no
Protestant
Plot
,
nor
is
there
any
Protestant
concerned
in
a
Plot
to
my
knowledge
,
but
this
Colledge
,
and
upon
his
Tryal
I
believe
he
will
be
made
appear
to
be
more
a
Papist
than
a
Protestant
;
but
says
Mr.
Smith
to
him
,
Now
you
are
known
to
be
a
Witness
in
this
case
,
it
will
be
a
dangerous
thing
for
a
man
to
converse
with
you
.
Coll.
Will
it
be
now
known
that
I
am
a
Papist
?
No
man
could
ever
say
so
in
this
World
.
Mr.
Gardner
.
Says
he
,
I
care
not
what
all
the
world
says
of
me
,
and
I
do
not
value
all
the
men
from
Wapping
to
Charing-Cross
,
but
that
man
that
will
shun
my
company
,
will
say
and
do
as
much
to
the
King
as
Colledge
hath
done
.
But
then
I
was
saying
,
methinks
it
seems
an
improbable
thing
,
that
such
a
man
as
Colledge
should
seize
upon
the
King
,
or
provide
1500
Barrels
of
Powder
,
and
those
other
things
.
Upon
my
word
,
said
he
,
with
some
passion
,
clapping
his
hand
upon
his
breast
,
when
Mr.
Colledge
did
say
it
,
I
did
not
believe
a
word
of
it
;
and
upon
my
Faith
I
believe
Colledge
himself
did
not
believe
it
when
he
told
me
so
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
more
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Gardner
.
No
indeed
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Colledge
.
Call
Dr.
Oates
again
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
what
say
you
to
him
?
Coll.
Pray
,
Dr.
Oates
,
Mr.
Smith
charges
me
that
I
should
speak
some
treasonable
words
that
time
that
Alderman
Wilcox
gave
you
a
Treat
at
the
Crown-Tavern
,
you
were
there
,
and
pray
how
long
ago
was
it
?
Dr.
Oates
.
My
Lord
,
I
heard
Mr.
Smith
speaking
of
it
at
the
Old-Bailey
,
and
if
you
please
to
take
notice
,
it
was
thus
;
This
Summer
was
twelve-month
,
or
I
am
sure
a
great
while
before
Christmas
the
Alderman
had
invited
me
several
times
to
give
me
a
Treat
,
and
I
had
not
time
,
other
business
calling
me
off
,
but
finding
a
time
,
I
sent
him
word
I
would
come
and
see
him
.
He
said
he
was
a
Brewer
and
troubled
at
home
with
customers
,
but
he
would
give
me
a
Dinner
at
the
Crown
Tavern
without
Temple-Bar
,
that
was
the
place
fixed
upon
;
there
was
Mr.
Smith
the
Counsellor
,
who
had
been
serviceable
to
me
in
several
instances
,
I
did
get
him
to
go
along
with
me
,
and
Mr.
Colledge
was
with
us
,
and
I
heard
Smith
swearing
at
the
Old
Baily
,
that
Mr.
Colledge
and
he
had
discourse
from
the
Rainbow
Coffee-House
where
we
met
,
and
went
together
.
Colledge
.
There
I
was
invited
by
Alderman
Wilcox
.
Dr.
Oates
.
But
my
Lord
,
I
will
tell
my
story
,
I
am
not
to
tell
Mr.
Smiths
;
Colledge
did
tell
me
he
was
invited
;
said
I
,
You
shall
be
welcome
as
far
as
I
can
make
you
welcome
.
So
Colledge
ahd
I
went
together
from
the
Rainbow
Coffe-House
to
the
Crown
Tavern
:
Now
indeed
Colledge
was
very
pleasant
and
merry
,
and
as
I
think
,
the
discourse
betwixt
the
Rainbow
Coffee-House
and
the
Tavern
was
betwixt
Mr.
Colledge
and
me
;
for
Mr.
Smith
stayed
somewhat
behind
or
walked
before
,
I
cannot
tell
which
:
When
we
came
to
the
Crown
Tavern
we
did
,
to
divert
our selves
till
Dinner
came
up
,
enter
into
a
Philosophical
discourse
with
one
Mr.
Savage
,
who
was
formerly
a
Romish
Priest
,
but
this
Savage
is
since
pardoned
by
the
King
and
is
a
member
of
the
Church
of
England
,
and
hath
been
Professor
of
Divinity
and
Philosophy
beyond
Sea
.
This
as
I
remember
was
the
discourse
before
we
dined
till
we
went
to
dinner
,
it
was
concerning
the
Existence
of
God
whether
that
could
be
proved
by
natural
demonstration
,
and
whether
or
no
the
Soul
was
immortal
:
my
Lord
,
after
dinner
Smith
went
away
;
I
did
not
hear
the
least
discourse
of
any
such
thing
as
he
speaks
of
,
and
Mr.
Smith
and
Colledge
had
no
discourse
in
my
hearing
from
the
Coffee-House
to
the
Tavern
;
and
when
we
were
in
the
Tavern
we
did
discourse
about
those
two
Points
.
Counsellor
Smith
,
my
Lord
,
will
justifie
a
great
deal
of
this
,
and
my
Brother
too
,
who
was
with
us
.
But
when
I
heard
Mr.
Smith
swear
as
he
did
about
this
matter
at
the
Old
Baily
,
I
did
really
,
my
Lord
,
in
my
conscience
look
upon
him
to
be
forsworn
in
that
particular
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
And
he
does
swear
you
are
out
in
this
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
ask
him
any
more
questions
?
Dr.
Oates
.
If
your
Lordship
please
he
speaks
of
Mr.
Wilcox
to
be
a
man
that
contributed
money
to
buy
Arms
,
Powder
and
Shot
,
I
think
Sir
George
Jefferies
knows
Alderman
Wilcox
is
a
man
of
another
employment
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Sir
George
Jefferies
does
not
intend
to
be
an
Evidence
I
assure
you
.
L.
ch.
Just.
Do
you
ask
him
any
more
questions
?
Dr.
Oates
.
I
do
not
desire
Sir
George
Jefferies
to
be
an
Evidence
for
me
,
I
had
Credit
in
Parliaments
,
and
Sir
George
had
Disgrace
in
one
of
them
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Your
Servant
Doctor
,
you
are
a
witty
man
and
a
Philosopher
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Thomas
Smith
.
L.
c.
j.
What
would
you
ask
of
him
now
?
Coll.
Counsellor
Smith
,
here
is
John
Smith
,
or
Narrative
Smith
,
which
you
please
to
call
him
,
hath
charged
me
with
speaking
Treason
at
our
going
to
dinner
at
Mr.
Wilcox's
,
I
remember
you
were
there
,
and
I
think
you
and
I
,
and
Dr.
Oates
and
his
Brother
,
and
Mr.
Godwin
Wharton
went
together
;
I
did
tell
Mr.
Smith
of
it
,
but
I
did
not
stir
a
step
out
of
the
Coffee-house
with
him
,
but
went
away
before
him
:
How
long
ago
is
it
since
we
had
that
Dinner
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
My
Lord
,
if
your
Lordship
please
,
I
do
very
well
remember
Mr.
Alderman
Wilcox
,
so
they
called
him
,
did
desire
to
give
Dr.
Oates
a
Treat
,
with
some
other
of
his
Friends
,
at
the
Crown-Tavern
without
Temple-Bar
;
but
really
,
my
Lord
,
as
to
the
certain
time
I
do
not
remember
it
,
but
to
my
best
remembrance
,
my
Lord
,
it
was
before
Christmass
last
,
and
some
time
before
Christmass
last
.
And
,
my
Lord
,
I
was
there
all
the
time
,
Mr.
Smith
was
at
that
time
somewhat
a
stranger
to
me
,
something
I
had
heard
of
his
name
,
and
I
did
stay
there
all
the
while
:
I
remember
Mr.
Alderman
Wilcox
was
to
go
out
of
Town
that
day
;
and
truly
,
as
to
any
thing
of
matter
of
Treason
,
or
Treasonable
words
;
or
any
thing
tending
towards
it
;
I
am
confident
nothing
was
,
or
could
be
spoken
,
and
the
room
was
a
very
small
room
,
and
our
company
did
fill
it
up
,
and
the
Table
was
so
big
,
that
there
was
little
more
than
for
the
Servitors
to
go
about
,
so
that
any
man
might
easily
hear
from
the
one
end
of
the
room
to
the
other
.
I
remember
there
was
some
discourse
betwixt
Dr.
Oates
and
Mr.
Savage
,
who
I
think
hath
been
a
Jesuit
,
and
it
was
about
some
points
of
Philosophy
and
Divinity
;
but
for
Treason
,
I
do
not
remember
the
least
of
it
,
and
I
am
confident
Colledge
said
not
any
such
thing
at
that
time
,
and
my
reason
is
this
;
I
very
well
remember
Mr.
Colledge
did
set
himself
down
upon
one
side
of
the
Table
,
and
fell
asleep
,
and
unless
he
talked
Treason
in
his
sleep
,
there
could
not
be
any
such
thing
said
,
and
if
it
had
been
said
,
it
would
have
been
heard
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Mr.
Smith
,
did
you
never
hear
Mr.
Colledge
speak
any
ill
words
of
the
King
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
Never
in
my
life
:
And
if
I
were
now
to
take
the
Sacrament
upon
it
,
I
could
say
so
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
You
used
to
converse
with
him
,
Mr.
Smith
,
did
he
never
say
any
thing
like
it
to
you
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
Good
Mr.
Serjeant
,
you
know
I
can
take
the
Sacrament
;
pray
let
us
have
no
reflections
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Who
did
reflect
upon
you
,
I
did
not
reflect
upon
you
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Mr.
Smith
,
did
he
never
deliver
you
any
of
those
Pictures
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
No
Sir
,
he
never
did
.
Coll.
Good
Sir
George
don't
reflect
upon
my
Evidence
.
It
seems
Smith
is
mistaken
in
the
time
,
for
he
says
it
was
at
Christmass
,
but
Mr.
Smith
says
it
was
some
time
before
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Mr.
Smith
does
not
say
so
,
the
certain
time
he
cannot
tell
exactly
;
but
your
Witnesses
say
it
was
then
.
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
I
do
speak
as
much
as
if
I
were
upon
my
Oath
;
and
I
know
what
an
Oath
is
,
I
thank
God
;
and
what
it
is
to
speak
before
a
Court
of
Judicature
,
and
I
know
,
and
do
speak
truth
as
much
as
if
I
were
upon
my
Oath
;
and
I
do
say
I
did
not
hear
Colledge
,
or
any
one
else
that
was
in
that
company
at
that
time
,
speak
any
thing
reflecting
upon
the
King
and
Government
,
or
any
thing
tending
towards
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Can
you
remember
a
matter
so
distinctly
,
which
Dr.
Oates
says
was
a
year
and
half
ago
?
L.
c.
j.
No
,
this
Summer
was
twelve-month
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
can
you
tell
so
long
ago
,
not
only
your
own
actions
,
but
testify
to
all
other
mens
actions
too
that
were
in
the
room
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
I
cannot
tell
what
Dr.
Oates's
memory
is
as
to
the
time
,
but
I
remember
the
place
,
the
occasion
,
and
the
persons
that
were
there
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
you
take
upon
you
to
have
such
a
perfect
memory
,
as
to
the
actions
of
all
the
persons
that
were
in
the
room
.
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
I
do
not
speak
of
all
that
was
done
;
but
I
say
I
remember
no
such
thing
that
was
said
,
and
I
believe
no
such
thing
was
said
,
and
have
given
you
my
reasons
why
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
that
which
I
say
further
for
Mr.
Colledge
,
is
this
;
I
do
hear
something
pretended
,
as
if
he
provided
Arms
to
go
for
Oxford
.
I
have
known
him
this
three
years
,
or
thereabouts
;
and
,
my
Lord
,
I
do
know
that
he
did
usually
ride
with
a
case
of
Pistols
before
him
.
And
before
that
time
I
had
occasion
to
borrow
his
Horse
of
him
,
at
the
Election
for
Westminster
the
last
Parliament
that
sat
there
,
and
I
had
it
then
with
a
case
of
Pistols
.
I
likewise
borrowed
it
at
Michaelmas
last
,
the
same
Horse
,
and
the
same
Pistols
they
were
:
I
did
at
the
same
time
see
a
Suit
of
Silk-Armour
,
which
he
told
me
he
did
provide
against
the
Papists
,
for
he
said
he
did
expect
we
should
have
a
brush
with
them
.
Said
I
,
do
not
trouble
your self
for
that
,
they
dare
not
meddle
;
said
he
,
this
will
do
no
harm
.
And
,
as
I
remember
,
it
was
a
Suit
of
Armour
made
of
Silk
,
to
wear
under
a
Coat
.
Colledge
.
It
was
Silk
Armour
only
for
the
thrust
of
a
Sword
.
And
I
assure
you
,
my
Lord
,
I
had
but
one
Suit
,
but
one
case
of
Pistols
,
and
but
one
Horse
,
I
had
two
before
,
but
they
did
not
then
make
a
Traytor
of
me
,
that
was
all
that
ever
I
had
;
but
if
I
had
ten
Horses
,
and
never
so
many
Armours
,
I
declare
it
upon
my
Salvation
,
I
intended
it
for
nothing
but
against
the
Papists
,
if
they
should
make
a
disturbance
,
and
whatever
I
did
was
with
that
design
,
and
truly
,
by
the
Grace
of
God
,
I
would
not
have
been
the
last
man
then
;
but
I
see
,
whatever
I
provided
my self
with
for
that
,
they
have
turned
it
all
another
way
,
that
it
might
be
believed
the
Protestants
were
against
the
King
and
the
established
Government
.
L.
c.
j.
Those
observations
may
be
proper
for
you
at
last
:
Go
on
now
with
your
Evidence
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
am
not
a
man
of
that
great
memory
,
I
may
forget
it
,
and
therefore
I
speak
it
now
whilst
I
think
of
it
.
L.
c.
j.
Set
it
down
in
your
paper
.
Coll.
Smith
says
I
talked
with
him
coming
from
Richard's
Coffee-House
till
we
came
to
the
Tavern
;
I
do
declare
it
,
I
went
away
before
him
,
and
went
away
with
Dr.
Oates
.
L.
c.
j.
Ask
Mr.
Smith
that
question
,
if
you
will
.
Coll.
Pray
Sir
,
do
you
know
who
went
together
thither
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
I
dare
not
undertake
to
say
that
,
I
cannot
tell
whether
he
went
from
the
Rainbow-Coffee-House
with
us
,
or
no.
Coll.
He
says
after
we
had
dined
we
divided
our selves
into
Cabals
,
two
and
two
together
:
I
do
declare
it
,
as
that
which
is
the
real
truth
,
I
fell
asleep
behind
the
Table
,
if
any
body
was
divided
,
it
is
more
than
I
know
;
but
Mr.
Smith
,
you
can
tell
,
because
he
says
I
spoke
Treason
to
him
when
I
was
in
the
room
,
he
and
I
in
one
Cabal
.
Mr.
T.
S.
My
Lord
,
I
remember
nothing
of
that
,
nor
do
believe
it
,
for
I
told
you
the
room
was
so
little
that
we
could
not
divide
our selves
;
and
it
is
impossible
in
such
a
little
compass
where
we
were
,
so
many
as
we
were
,
14
or
15
of
us
;
it
may
be
one
might
talk
to
another
that
was
next
to
him
,
but
then
the
company
must
hear
,
and
whether
they
did
so
or
no
,
I
cannot
tell
,
I
do
not
remember
Mr.
Smith's
saying
any
thing
to
any
particular
person
,
but
the
great
engagement
was
between
Dr.
Oates
and
Mr.
Savage
,
and
about
some
questions
in
Divinity
,
and
that
is
the
great
matter
I
took
notice
of
.
Coll.
However
,
my
Lord
,
I
declare
it
,
that
was
above
a
twelve-month
ago
,
and
I
hope
your
Lordship
and
the
Jury
does
observe
that
there
was
no
new
Arms
were
found
but
what
were
provided
a
great
while
ago
:
All
that
know
me
,
know
I
was
never
without
a
case
of
Pistols
and
an
Horse
,
though
I
was
but
a
Joyner
,
and
there
is
no
more
that
you
see
now
.
And
as
to
what
Smith
said
about
our
going
into
Cabals
,
that
you
hear
Mr.
Smith
denies
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
call
any
other
Witnesses
?
Coll.
Yes
,
if
it
please
your
Lordship
,
Do
you
know
no
more
,
Sir
?
Mr.
T.
Smith
.
I
know
no
other
thing
,
if
I
did
,
I
would
declare
it
.
Coll.
Call
Dr.
Oates's
Brother
,
Mr.
Samuel
Oates
.
My
Lord
,
thus
you
see
Smith's
testimony
is
false
.
L.
c.
j.
I
do
not
see
this
contradicts
his
Oath
,
for
he
speaks
of
several
times
that
he
did
speak
with
you
,
one
was
at
Wilcox's
,
which
is
this
they
speak
of
.
Coll.
Mr.
Smith
says
there
was
only
that
great
discourse
going
on
in
the
room
,
and
there
was
no
such
things
as
Cabals
which
he
speaks
of
.
L.
c.
j.
What
do
you
say
as
to
this
Witness
?
Coll.
Do
you
know
Narrative
Smith
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
Sir
.
Coll.
What
do
you
know
of
him
?
Were
you
at
the
Dinner
which
Mr.
Wilcox
gave
your
Brother
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
yes
,
I
was
at
that
Dinner
.
Coll.
Were
you
at
the
Coffee-House
when
I
went
along
with
your
Brother
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
we
went
with
you
.
Coll.
Did
Mr.
Smith
go
with
us
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
Mr.
Smith
followed
us
.
Coll.
Did
you
hear
any
Treasonable
discourse
between
us
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Not
the
least
of
a
little
word
.
Coll.
Did
we
go
into
Cabals
two
and
two
together
there
?
Mr.
Oates
.
There
was
nothing
at
all
of
cabals
that
I
saw
,
from
the
time
of
going
to
Dinner
;
for
we
came
just
as
Dinner
was
going
into
the
room
,
as
I
remember
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
What
do
you
mean
by
cabals
?
Mr.
Oates
.
That
is
,
as
I
discern
by
Mr.
Colledge
,
as
if
there
had
been
cabals
amongst
the
company
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
That
is
,
going
by
couples
.
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
What
did
they
talk
of
?
Mr.
Oates
.
There
was
nothing
at
all
spoken
of
?
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
What
,
did
they
say
nothing
all
the
while
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Nothing
but
matter
of
common
discourse
,
matters
of
eating
and
drinking
,
and
talking
of
Countrey
affairs
,
there
were
several
that
had
Lands
in
the
Countrey
,
and
they
were
talking
of
those
things
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Were
you
there
all
the
while
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Heark
you
,
Sir
,
were
there
no
disputations
in
Divinity
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Not
at
all
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Nor
of
Philosophy
?
Mr.
Oates
.
No.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Why
,
pray
Sir
,
did
not
Dr.
Oates
and
Mr.
Savage
talk
very
pleasantly
of
two
great
questions
in
Divinity
,
the
Being
of
God
,
and
the
Immortality
of
the
Soul
?
Mr.
Oates
.
There
was
not
a
word
of
that
,
but
only
of
common
discourse
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Are
you
sure
there
was
no
such
thing
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Not
that
I
know
of
in
the
least
.
I
sat
at
Table
with
them
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Was
it
such
a
little
room
that
you
could
hear
all
was
said
?
Mr.
Oates
.
There
was
room
enough
.
L.
c.
j.
People
cannot
give
a
perfect
account
of
all
things
that
have
passed
so
long
ago
.
Coll.
I
did
not
hear
that
discourse
my self
,
because
I
was
asleep
behind
the
Table
;
and
perhaps
Mr.
Oates
cannot
remember
it
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
Was
it
before
Dinner
,
or
after
Dinner
,
that
Colledge
fell
asleep
behind
the
Table
?
Mr.
Oates
.
He
was
not
asleep
,
to
my
remembrance
,
all
the
while
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Recollect
your self
,
pray
;
was
Mr.
Colledge
asleep
there
?
Mr.
Oates
.
I
do
not
remember
he
was
.
L.
c.
j.
'T
is
impossible
to
give
an
account
,
and
therefore
Witnesses
in
Negatives
are
of
little
value
.
Coll.
Did
Mr.
Smith
and
you
and
I
go
together
?
Mr.
Oates
.
Mr.
Smith
followed
us
.
Lo.
c.
j.
How
do
you
know
that
?
Mr.
Oates
.
For
you
and
I
,
and
my
Brother
went
together
:
You
were
a
saying
when
we
came
out
of
the
Coffee-House
in
a
jocose
way
,
come
Dr.
I
will
go
along
with
you
,
and
be
one
of
your
Guard
.
You
spoke
it
in
a
jesting
way
;
so
you
may
,
if
you
please
,
said
my
Brother
.
And
so
he
went
by
my
Brother's
side
,
and
I
went
by
Mr.
Colledge's
side
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
remember
how
long
ago
that
was
?
Mr.
Oates
.
It
was
the
last
Summer
,
but
to
say
exactly
what
month
,
I
cannot
.
Mr.
S.
Gen.
Mr.
Oates
,
answer
me
this
question
,
pray
Sir
.
Mr.
Oates
.
Yes
,
Sir
.
Mr.
S.
Gen.
From
what
place
did
you
go
.
Mr.
Oates
.
From
Richards
Coffee-House
.
Mr.
S.
Gen.
Who
went
along
with
Colledge
?
M.
Oates
.
He
came
along
with
my
Brother
and
me
;
for
he
said
to
my
Brother
,
I
will
be
one
of
your
Guard
.
Mr.
S.
Gen.
Who
went
along
with
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Oates
.
I
don't
know
,
I
took
very
little
notice
of
things
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
'T
is
sufficient
that
he
can
tell
who
went
with
Colledge
.
Mr.
Oates
.
I
remember
one
thing
:
Mr.
Smith
would
fain
have
perswaded
me
into
something
that
my
Brother
should
talk
,
but
I
heard
nothing
;
said
I
,
do
not
examine
me
upon
such
things
,
for
I
took
little
notice
of
any
thing
;
but
this
I
can
say
,
whereas
he
does
charge
Mr.
Wilcox
,
the
Gentleman
did
not
speak
five
words
all
the
time
he
was
there
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
He
does
not
use
to
be
so
melancholy
,
I
assure
you
.
Mr.
Oates
.
I
did
wonder
at
it
my self
,
but
he
was
not
long
with
us
,
for
I
do
not
think
he
was
there
a
quarter
of
the
time
;
it
seems
he
had
a
Son
sick
in
the
Countrey
,
and
he
was
going
thither
.
Colledge
.
Have
you
any
thing
against
Macnamarra
?
L.
c.
j.
He
is
no
Witness
here
.
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
against
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Oates
.
No
,
not
I.
Colledge
.
Then
I
can
say
no
more
to
you
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Call
another
Witness
.
Coll.
Call
Mr.
Bolron
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
John
Smith
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Yes
.
Colledge
.
What
say
you
against
him
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
the
last
25th
.
of
July
Mr.
Smith
,
and
Mr.
Mowbray
,
and
my self
were
travelling
from
York
towards
London
.
We
lay
the
24th
.
at
and
the
25th
.
we
were
travelling
towards
London
:
Mr.
Smith
did
ask
me
,
if
I
did
remember
what
Discourse
there
was
betwixt
Sir
John
Brooks
and
I
at
Ferry-bridge
,
when
we
were
coming
up
before
to
London
?
I
desired
him
to
tell
me
what
discourse
,
and
I
would
tell
him
if
I
did
remember
it
or
no.
So
my
Lord
,
he
did
say
,
the
Discourse
was
,
that
Sir
John
Brooks
did
say
,
there
would
be
cutting
of
throats
at
Oxford
,
and
that
the
Parliament
did
go
provided
,
some
with
8
,
some
with
6
,
some
with
4
men
,
and
they
were
to
meet
at
Grantham
,
and
go
together
.
This
discourse
I
did
remember
,
that
Sir
John
Brooks
said
,
they
went
with
Horse
and
Arms
to
secure
them
from
High-way-men
;
and
Sir
John
Brooks
did
then
further
declare
,
that
the
Discourse
was
,
there
would
be
cutting
of
throats
at
Oxford
,
which
made
them
go
with
Arms
to
defend
themselves
.
Mr.
Smith
did
further
upon
the
25
,
26
,
27
,
and
28th
.
of
July
(
and
it
was
our
frequent
discourse
)
tell
me
,
that
he
had
given
His
Majesty
an
account
of
it
,
which
occasioned
the
Dissolving
of
the
Parliament
:
That
Discourse
that
was
made
to
the
King
,
was
,
that
Sir
John
Brooks
should
say
,
there
would
be
cutting
of
throats
at
Oxford
,
and
that
the
Parliament-men
went
provided
with
4
or
5
,
6
or
10
men
apiece
;
and
he
did
tell
me
,
he
had
given
a
further
account
,
that
there
was
a
Consult
a●
Grantham
,
wherein
it
was
resolved
,
that
it
was
better
to
seize
the
King
,
than
to
let
him
go
on
.
Now
,
this
I
knew
nothing
of
,
but
he
would
have
perswaded
me
to
have
given
in
this
Evidence
against
Sir
John
Brooks
,
as
to
this
Discourse
.
But
I
declare
,
I
did
never
hear
it
,
and
Mr.
Smith
was
the
first
man
that
ever
I
heard
it
from
,
I
never
heard
it
before
in
my
life
.
Colledge
.
Would
he
have
had
you
been
an
Evidence
,
and
swore
it
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Yes
;
he
said
he
had
given
an
account
of
it
to
the
King
,
and
if
I
did
manage
it
rightly
against
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
and
Colledge
,
he
would
make
me
for
ever
;
those
two
persons
were
mentioned
all
along
.
But
I
do
declare
it
,
I
did
never
hear
them
speak
Treason
against
the
King
in
my
life
.
And
he
did
further
tell
me
,
that
I
must
say
so
and
so
;
for
if
we
did
not
agree
,
it
would
signifie
nothing
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
I
know
nothing
of
the
matter
,
I
never
heard
any
one
speak
of
it
but
Mr.
Smith
.
My
Lord
,
this
is
true
,
Mr.
Mowbray
was
the
man
that
was
by
when
it
was
discoursed
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
He
would
have
had
you
sworn
it
,
would
he
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
discovered
it
to
my
Lord
Mayor
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
did
you
discover
it
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Soon
after
he
came
to
Town
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
was
it
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Some
time
last
week
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Was
it
on
Saturday
last
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
It
was
the
beginning
of
the
week
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Thou
art
such
a
Discoverer
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
My
Lord
,
't
is
very
true
what
I
say
.
If
I
had
known
any
such
thing
,
I
would
have
discovered
it
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Thou
wouldest
have
discovered
it
before
that
time
,
of
my
conscience
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
he
hath
been
an
Evidence
against
the
Papists
as
well
as
Mr.
Smith
,
and
therefore
pray
Sir
George
don't
make
your
flourishes
upon
him
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeffer
.
He
was
an
Evidence
,
but
he
had
the
misfortune
never
to
be
believed
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
any
Pictures
of
Mr.
Colledges
making
?
Have
you
seen
Raree
Shew
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Never
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
you
not
shew
it
in
Oxford
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
No
,
never
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Did
you
never
declare
to
any
Gentleman
of
Oxford
,
that
Colledge
made
this
Picture
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
have
seen
the
Character
of
a
Popish
Successor
,
but
I
never
saw
Raree
Shew
.
Mr.
Serj.
Hollow
.
Here
is
the
very
Gentleman
,
my
Lord
,
that
will
make
Oath
of
it
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
He
was
supposed
to
make
them
,
I
did
not
know
that
he
did
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
I
do
only
desire
one
thing
,
I
do
not
say
,
that
you
ever
had
Raree
Shew
,
but
did
you
ever
tell
any
body
that
Colledge
made
any
of
these
Pictures
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
have
heard
of
such
a
paper
,
but
I
did
never
see
it
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Do
you
know
that
Gentleman
,
Mr.
Bolron
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
know
him
not
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
I
would
ask
you
,
whether
you
ever
had
any
discourse
with
that
Gentleman
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Never
in
my
life
.
Then
the
Gentleman
was
sworn
,
being
a
Master
of
Arts.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
What
is
the
Gentlemans
Name
?
Mr.
Serj.
Holloway
.
Mr.
Charlett
of
Trinity
Colledge
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
Pray
Sir
,
do
you
know
that
person
there
?
Mr.
Charlett
.
My
Lord
,
in
the
new
Coffee-House
that
was
by
the
Schools
,
that
was
set
up
in
the
Parliament-time
,
there
was
a
Gentleman
that
is
in
the
Court
(
I
think
)
one
Mr.
Dashwood
,
and
one
Mr.
Box
were
there
together
to
drink
a
dish
of
Coffee
,
and
and
hearing
that
some
of
the
Evidence
were
there
,
we
desired
their
company
up
,
and
that
Gentleman
was
one
;
and
among
other
Discourse
,
they
were
speaking
of
some
Pictures
,
and
they
shewed
us
the
Picture
of
the
Tantivies
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Did
this
man
shew
it
you
?
Mr.
Char.
This
very
man
;
it
was
the
Pictures
of
the
Tantivies
and
the
Towzer
,
and
he
told
me
they
were
made
by
Colledge
,
he
was
a
very
ingenious
man
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
know
nothing
of
it
,
the
Character
of
a
Popish
Successor
I
have
seen
,
but
never
the
other
,
I
never
shewed
him
any
such
thing
.
Then
the
Pictures
were
shewen
him
.
Mr.
Charlett
.
It
was
something
like
this
,
but
I
cannot
say
for
any
of
the
other
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
The
charcter
of
a
Popish
Successor
,
I
say
I
have
seen
,
and
Colledge
himself
hath
told
me
he
made
the
character
of
a
Popish
Successor
,
I
do
not
deny
that
I
have
seen
that
.
L.
ch.
just
.
Would
you
ask
him
any
more
questions
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
something
more
to
say
concerning
Mr.
Brian
Hains
;
in
January
,
February
and
April
last
,
several
times
I
was
in
his
company
,
and
I
heard
him
say
,
he
knew
nothing
of
a
Popish
Plot
,
nor
of
a
Presbyterian
Plot
neither
,
but
if
he
were
to
be
an
Evidence
he
did
not
care
what
he
swore
,
but
would
swear
and
say
any
thing
to
get
money
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Did
he
tell
you
so
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Yes
,
I
did
hear
him
say
,
to
day
he
would
be
a
Papist
,
to
morrow
a
a
Presbyterian
,
he
did
not
care
for
Religion
,
he
would
never
die
for
Religion
,
he
would
be
of
that
Religion
that
had
the
strongest
party
.
My
Lord
,
he
told
me
so
at
my
own
House
in
Fleet-street
.
Colledge
.
He
would
say
any
thing
for
money
,
pray
my
Lord
take
notice
of
that
,
for
so
I
find
he
does
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
Then
there
is
Dennis
Macnamarra
,
and
John
Macnamarra
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
We
have
nothing
to
say
to
them
.
Colledge
.
They
have
been
Evidences
against
me
,
though
you
do
not
now
produce
them
,
they
are
all
in
a
string
,
but
they
are
not
now
brought
because
my
Witnesses
are
prepared
to
answer
them
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
call
your
next
Witness
.
Coll.
Mr.
Mowbray
,
pray
,
Sir
,
do
you
know
Narrative
Smith
,
as
he
calls
himself
?
Mowbray
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
.
Colledge
.
What
do
you
know
of
it
?
Mowbray
.
I
came
up
from
York
with
him
when
I
returned
,
after
I
was
commanded
down
upon
the
Kings
account
to
give
in
Evidence
against
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
,
he
came
to
me
the
third
of
August
,
and
called
at
my
House
in
Yorkshire
,
and
was
very
importunate
for
me
to
come
up
to
London
with
him
,
for
he
said
,
he
had
a
Letter
come
to
him
which
commanded
his
presence
at
London
very
suddenly
,
and
he
produced
that
Letter
which
he
said
came
from
a
Gentleman
of
the
Court
,
or
some
Court
dependent
;
so
he
read
the
Letter
in
Mr.
Bolrons
hearing
.
We
set
forward
on
Sunday
,
and
upon
our
journey
to
London
he
told
me
he
had
something
of
importance
to
impart
to
me
,
so
upon
the
Road
he
began
to
discourse
of
the
Parliament
,
and
of
the
illegal
proceedings
and
Arbitrary
Power
of
the
Two
last
Parliaments
,
he
said
their
proceedings
were
very
illegal
and
arbitrary
,
and
he
began
to
open
some
of
the
Votes
,
as
that
which
they
voted
,
that
those
that
should
lend
the
King
money
upon
the
Crown
Lands
,
should
be
enemies
to
the
King
and
Kingdom
,
and
those
that
counselled
the
King
to
dissolve
the
Parliament
;
and
he
repeated
many
Votes
;
and
,
said
he
,
these
are
signs
of
Arbitrary
Power
,
and
certainly
they
design
to
take
off
the
King
;
so
he
proceeded
further
,
to
ask
me
what
was
the
Discourse
of
Sir
John
Brooks
when
we
came
up
before
,
and
he
did
much
importune
me
to
say
,
that
Sir
John
Brooks
did
affirm
there
would
be
cutting
of
throats
at
Oxford
,
and
that
the
King
was
to
be
seized
there
.
I
told
him
,
I
could
have
no
plausible
pretence
,
because
I
had
no
acquaintance
with
Sir
John
Brooks
,
nor
did
I
come
up
with
him
;
upon
which
he
applied
himself
to
Mr.
Bolron
,
and
importuned
him
for
the
same
,
he
asked
me
who
I
came
up
with
,
I
told
him
,
I
came
up
with
Three
members
of
Parliament
,
my
Lord
Fairfax
,
Sir
John
Hewly
and
Mr.
Stern
;
he
asked
what
Discourse
we
had
upon
the
Road
?
And
he
asked
,
whether
they
had
any
Discourse
that
tended
to
justifie
their
former
Votes
?
For
he
said
,
if
they
did
think
to
justifie
any
thing
of
those
Votes
,
or
if
they
would
not
allow
the
King
money
,
and
stood
upon
the
Bill
of
Exclusion
,
he
said
,
that
was
pretence
enough
for
any
man
to
swear
that
there
was
a
Design
against
the
King
,
and
that
the
King
was
to
be
seized
at
Oxford
.
Coll.
An
excellent
pretence
indeed
,
and
like
the
rest
.
Mowbray
.
He
would
have
tempted
me
to
swear
against
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
the
same
.
And
he
said
,
it
would
be
well
if
I
did
appear
on
Colledges
Tryal
at
Oxon.
for
it
was
a
thing
of
great
consequence
;
the
Popish
Plot
was
thrown
out
of
doors
,
and
no
man
was
looked
upon
that
did
speak
of
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Was
all
this
in
the
presence
of
Mr.
Bolron
?
Mowbr
.
No
,
my
Lord
,
when
he
was
discoursing
about
Sir
John
Brooks
,
Mr.
Bolron
rid
up
to
us
,
and
he
applied
himself
to
him
,
because
I
told
him
I
had
no
plaufible
pretence
to
swear
against
him
,
having
no
acquaintance
with
him
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Pray
,
Sir
,
let
me
ask
you
one
question
;
when
came
you
from
York
?
Mowb.
We
set
forward
the
third
day
of
August
from
Wentbridge
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Pray
who
came
with
you
in
the
company
?
Mowb.
Mr.
Bolron
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
That
was
a
Sunday
,
as
I
take
it
.
Mowb.
Yes
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Then
pray
,
how
long
did
you
continue
before
you
came
to
London
?
Mowbr
.
I
think
we
came
in
on
the
Thursday
after
.
Ser.
jeff.
When
was
the
first
time
Mr.
Smith
came
into
your
company
?
Mowbr
.
Upon
the
road
on
Sunday
.
Ser.
jeff.
Was
that
the
first
time
?
Mowbray
.
Yes
,
He
had
been
at
York
,
and
went
further
,
and
afterwards
came
to
us
.
Ser.
jeff.
When
did
you
come
from
York
.
Mowb.
About
the
Thursday
before
,
if
I
be
not
mistaken
.
Ser.
jeff.
Was
it
in
a
week
before
.
Mowb.
Yes
,
within
a
week
it
was
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
you
and
Mr.
Bolron
came
together
.
Mowb.
Yes
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
you
left
Mr.
Smith
behind
.
Mowb.
Yes
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
he
overtook
you
upon
the
road
.
Mowb.
Yes
:
He
was
to
go
further
into
the
North
as
soon
as
the
Tryal
of
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
was
over
;
and
therefore
he
did
very
much
importune
me
to
stay
in
the
Countrey
till
he
came
to
go
up
with
me
.
Ser.
jeff.
What
day
was
the
Tryal
of
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
.
Mowbr
.
On
the
Monday
before
.
Ser.
jeff.
You
are
sure
of
that
,
and
that
Mr.
Smith
went
further
into
the
North.
Mowbr
.
I
see
him
take
Horse
.
Ser.
jeff.
But
he
did
not
come
into
the
company
of
you
and
Bolron
till
the
Sunday
after
that
.
Mowb.
See
ye
,
Sir
,
He
did
desire
me
to
stay
in
the
Countrey
till
he
came
,
for
he
had
a
business
of
great
concernment
to
impart
to
me
,
but
it
would
be
a
week
or
a
fortnight
ere
he
came
,
but
yet
he
came
in
a
shorter
time
;
for
he
said
he
had
received
a
Letter
that
brought
him
up
.
Ser.
jeff.
You
are
sure
of
this
.
Mowb.
Yes
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
you
did
not
see
him
from
the
Monday
before
,
till
that
Sunday
.
Mowb.
No
,
no.
Ser.
jeff.
Now
then
,
I
ask
you
where
was
that
place
that
he
met
with
you
.
Mowbray
.
At
Wentbridge
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
then
you
came
from
thence
towards
London
the
next
day
.
Mow.
Yes
.
Ser.
jeff.
Now
would
I
desire
to
know
of
you
,
for
I
perceive
he
did
attack
you
to
say
something
against
Sir
John
Brooks
,
and
finding
that
you
could
not
do
it
,
because
you
had
no
acquaintance
,
he
applied
himself
to
Bolron
.
I
would
know
,
was
it
between
that
place
and
London
.
Mowb.
Yes
,
it
was
.
Ser.
jeff.
And
after
the
third
of
August
.
Mowb.
Yes
,
it
was
after
we
set
out
.
Ser.
jeff.
I
thought
it
had
been
the
24th
.
of
July
that
you
set
out
,
and
continued
your
journey
the
25
,
26
,
27
,
28
,
and
29th
.
Alas
,
we
have
lost
a
great
deal
of
time
between
Bolron
and
Mowbray
.
Bolron
said
it
was
the
25th
.
they
lay
at
such
a
place
,
and
you
are
gotten
to
the
third
of
August
;
you
are
mistaken
certainly
,
as
to
point
of
time
.
Mowb.
See
,
Sir
,
I
will
look
in
my
Almanack
,
't
is
all
set
down
there
.
Ser.
jeff.
Let
us
see
now
if
your
Oxford
journey
be
as
well
set
down
,
as
your
journey
to
London
is
.
Mowb.
Here
is
my
Almanack
,
Sir
.
Mr.
Jones
.
Here
,
look
upon
his
Almanack
.
Ser.
jeff.
Mr.
Jones
,
I
don't
care
for
his
Almanack
,
I
had
rather
Mowbray
and
Bolron
could
bring
their
Almanacks
together
,
and
I
would
have
them
compared
,
to
see
whether
the
third
of
August
in
one
,
be
the
25th
.
of
July
in
the
other
.
Did
you
discourse
with
him
upon
the
road
the
third
of
August
,
and
not
before
;
and
Bolron
that
came
up
with
you
,
discourse
with
him
the
25th
.
of
July
.
Mowb.
I
am
mistaken
,
I
find
.
Ser.
jeff.
Ay
,
that
you
are
,
one
of
you
most
grosly
.
Mowbray
.
See
,
Sir
,
here
is
my
Almanack
,
whereby
.
I
find
that
it
is
my
mistake
;
but
pray
see
,
Sir
,
here
it
is
set
down
;
the
day
we
came
out
was
the
24th
.
the
day
we
came
to
London
was
the
27th
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
How
didst
thou
set
out
the
third
of
August
from
that
place
,
and
yet
come
to
London
the
27th
.
of
July
.
Mowbray
.
I
will
refer
my self
to
Mr.
Smith
,
as
to
the
time
we
came
up
,
and
here
is
my
Almanack
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
I
will
believe
thy
Almanack
to
speak
truth
,
though
it
have
never
so
many
errors
about
the
changes
of
the
weather
,
sooner
than
I
will
believe
thee
.
Coll.
I
perceive
the
man
is
mistaken
in
the
month
and
the
time
;
but
pray
,
my
Lord
,
will
you
please
to
see
,
for
Justice
sake
,
if
the
Almanack
be
new
writ
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
here
is
the
matter
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
he
was
asked
again
and
again
,
what
day
it
was
,
and
he
was
positive
to
the
third
of
August
.
Coll.
He
was
mistaken
,
but
his
Almanack
is
right
.
L.
c.
j.
He
speaks
rashly
,
that
is
the
best
can
be
said
.
Mowb.
It
was
a
mistake
of
mine
,
Sir
George
,
but
my
Almanack
is
right
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Nay
,
Mr.
Mowbray
,
don't
enter
into
dialogues
with
me
,
I
only
make
a
little
observation
upon
your
Almanack
.
Mowbray
.
It
was
only
my
mistake
.
L.
c.
j.
You
are
a
rash
man
to
affirm
so
:
if
you
had
an
Almanack
,
you
should
have
consulted
it
,
or
referred
to
it
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Nay
,
we
have
lost
a
day
even
by
your
Almanack
;
for
yours
says
it
was
the
27th
.
you
came
to
Town
,
Bolron
the
28th
.
Mowb.
I
refer
my self
to
Mr.
Smith
,
he
can't
deny
but
he
came
up
with
us
at
that
time
.
Ser.
jeff.
You
were
examined
at
Sir
Miles
Stapleton's
Tryal
,
was
you
not
,
Mowbray
?
Mowb.
I
was
an
Evidence
there
.
Ser.
jeff.
Did
the
Jury
believe
you
?
Mowbr
.
They
did
acquit
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
.
Coll.
That
is
nothing
to
the
purpose
;
so
was
Mr.
Smith
too
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
you
ask
any
thing
further
?
Coll.
Call
Mrs.
Mary
Bolron
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
have
any
more
Witnesses
,
pray
call
them
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Mowbray
,
was
Bolron's
Wife
by
when
this
discourse
was
?
Mowbr
.
No
,
she
was
in
Town
,
she
did
not
go
down
with
him
at
all
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Are
you
Bolron's
Wife
?
Mrs.
Bolron
.
Yes
.
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
what
do
you
ask
her
?
Colledge
.
Mrs.
Bolron
,
Pray
do
you
know
Mr.
John
Smith
?
Mrs.
Bolron
.
Yes
,
I
do
know
him
.
Colledge
.
What
can
you
say
of
him
?
Mrs.
Bolron
.
He
sent
several
times
for
my
Husband
and
Mowbray
to
my
House
,
something
he
would
have
them
be
concerned
in
,
some
business
he
had
in
hand
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
When
was
that
?
Mrs.
Bolron
.
Within
this
three
weeks
,
since
he
came
up
from
York
Assizes
.
Colledge
.
You
may
see
there
was
an
understanding
between
them
then
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Did
they
go
accordingly
?
Mrs.
Bol.
Now
and
then
they
have
gone
to
him
,
but
they
knew
his
business
,
because
they
had
discourse
with
him
,
as
they
said
,
upon
the
road
,
and
they
would
not
go
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
you
ask
her
any
thing
else
;
what
do
you
know
more
?
Mrs.
Bolron
.
Nothing
,
for
I
am
not
one
that
stirs
much
abroad
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Everard
.
Lo.
c.
j.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Colledge
.
As
for
Mr.
Everard
,
I
need
not
ask
him
whether
he
knows
him
,
for
they
know
one
another
well
enough
:
But
Mr.
Everard
,
that
I
would
ask
you
is
this
;
what
do
you
know
of
Mr.
Smith
,
and
of
this
contrivance
against
me
?
Mr.
Everard
.
Mr.
Smith
I
have
been
to
see
of
late
,
and
he
told
me
he
knew
of
no
Presbyterian
or
Protestant
Plot
;
and
when
my
Lord
Howard
was
tried
,
that
is
,
the
Bill
brought
against
him
,
he
said
he
wondred
how
my
Lord
Howard
could
be
Guilty
,
and
that
both
himself
and
I
were
joyned
as
Evidence
to
that
Jury
,
only
to
put
a
gloss
upon
the
Evidence
;
for
,
says
he
,
I
have
nothing
material
to
say
.
Coll.
Mr.
Everard
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
more
concerning
him
,
what
he
hath
said
at
other
times
concerning
me
?
Mr.
Everard
.
I
have
told
you
already
what
I
have
heard
him
say
,
that
he
thought
there
was
no
Protestant
or
Presbyterian
Plot
,
&
that
now
of
late
within
this
little
while
.
Colledge
.
Pray
Sir
,
was
there
not
some
discourse
betwixt
Justice
Warcupp
and
you
in
Lincolns-Inn
Walks
?
Mr.
Everard
.
Is
Justice
Warcupp
an
Evidence
here
?
L.
c.
j.
No
,
no.
Colledge
.
'T
is
all
but
Evidence
of
a
Presbyterian
Plot
;
therefore
,
pray
Sir
,
what
was
the
discourse
between
Justice
Warcupp
and
you
,
what
would
he
have
had
you
done
?
L.
c.
j.
I
think
it
is
not
material
,
there
is
nothing
of
Mr.
Warcupp
in
this
Tryal
.
Mr.
Everard
.
If
the
Court
does
allow
of
it
,
I
will
freely
tell
it
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
the
Papists
design
is
to
make
a
Protestant
Plot
to
turn
off
their
own
,
and
they
begin
with
me
,
but
if
I
should
go
,
they
would
not
be
satisfied
with
me
,
they
would
be
at
others
.
L.
c.
j.
There
is
nothing
concerning
a
Presbyterian
or
Protestant
Plot
in
the
case
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
if
there
be
no
Presbyterian
Protestant
Plot
,
and
others
to
joyn
in
it
,
how
could
I
do
it
by
my self
;
't
is
impossible
I
should
have
such
a
design
of
seizing
the
King
,
and
improbable
I
should
speak
it
.
Now
,
my
Lord
,
this
man
was
sollicited
to
come
in
for
an
Evidence
of
such
a
Plot.
Mr.
Everard
.
That
is
true
.
L.
c.
j.
I
tell
you
it
is
not
material
,
Justice
Warcupp
is
not
concerned
in
your
Tryal
.
Mr.
Everard
.
Justice
Warcupp
would
have
perswaded
me
to
have
sworn
against
some
Lords
a
Presbyterian
Plot
,
but
I
deny
that
I
know
any
such
thing
of
them
.
Coll.
The
Papists
aim
is
not
at
me
only
,
but
at
others
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
We
have
nothing
to
do
with
what
you
and
Justice
Warcupp
talked
of
;
for
example
sake
,
my
Lord
,
let
us
have
no
discourses
that
concern
third
persons
brought
in
here
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
he
have
perswaded
you
to
say
any
thing
that
was
not
true
?
Mr.
Everard
.
He
did
not
say
positively
those
words
,
but
this
he
said
,
I
knew
seveveral
Lords
—
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Now
here
is
Mr.
Justice
Warcupp's
same
traduc'd
behind
his
back
in
the
face
of
the
Countrey
,
and
it
is
nothing
to
this
cause
before
us
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
desire
to
know
what
he
knows
of
these
things
,
and
that
he
may
speak
it
out
,
't
is
a
material
thing
for
me
and
others
:
Here
is
a
design
of
the
Papists
to
turn
a
Plot
upon
the
Protestants
,
they
begin
with
me
,
and
if
they
have
my
blood
,
who
may
feel
the
effect
of
it
next
I
cannot
tell
.
Lo.
ch.
Just.
Truly
I
think
it
not
material
to
your
case
,
and
indeed
't
is
of
ill
consequence
to
have
any
man
traduced
behind
his
back
,
as
Justice
Warcupp
is
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
Macnamarra
told
me
,
that
that
man
would
have
seduced
him
to
have
retracted
his
Evidence
;
upon
my
Salvation
't
is
true
.
L.
c.
j.
We
meddle
not
with
Macnamarra
neither
,
he
is
no
Evidence
against
you
.
Coll.
Macnamarra
hath
sworn
against
me
at
the
Old-Baily
,
and
at
the
finding
of
this
Bill
,
but
they
have
laid
him
by
upon
some
trick
or
other
:
I
desire
Mr.
Everard
may
tell
what
he
knows
.
Mr.
Everard
.
I
would
not
reflect
upon
any
person
,
nor
will
I
answer
it
,
if
the
Court
do
not
think
fit
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
this
is
foul
play
,
if
I
die
my self
for
my
Countrey
sake
,
I
can
do
it
freely
,
and
the
will
of
God
be
done
;
I
would
have
the
truth
out
for
the
sake
of
the
Protestants
.
Mr.
Everard
.
I
am
very
willing
to
tell
the
truth
,
if
the
Court
think
fit
.
L.
c.
j.
I
see
not
that
he
says
Mr.
Warcupp
would
have
had
him
swear
that
which
was
not
true
.
Mr.
Ever
.
But
this
he
said
,
if
the
Court
will
allow
me
to
speak
it
;
Justice
Warcupp
said
,
that
certainly
there
was
a
Presbyterian
Plot
,
and
such
things
;
and
that
some
Lords
,
some
of
the
Protestant
protesting
Lords
must
be
guilty
of
it
,
and
said
he
,
certainly
you
know
much
of
it
,
You
know
such
and
such
things
,
therefore
you
may
safely
swear
it
,
if
I
knew
it
;
so
by
argument
he
would
first
prove
there
was
a
Plot
and
combination
amongst
those
Lords
,
and
then
said
he
this
you
may
safely
swear
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
What
is
this
to
your
purpose
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
only
Mr.
Warcup's
name
is
brought
upon
the
stage
when
he
is
not
here
to
vindicate
himself
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
you
ask
him
any
thing
else
?
Coll.
If
he
does
know
any
thing
more
of
any
of
them
,
I
desire
he
would
speak
it
.
Mr.
Ev.
Concerning
Mr.
Haynes
,
he
told
me
it
was
necessity
that
drove
him
to
speak
any
thing
against
the
Protestants
,
and
the
hard
Pay
and
the
Gratitude
he
did
receive
from
the
Citizens
.
Then
Mr.
Jones
acquainted
the
Court
that
Mr.
Warcup
was
just
come
in
,
and
desired
to
vindicate
himself
.
But
the
Kings
other
Counsel
waved
it
,
saying
there
was
no
weight
in
it
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Where
did
he
tell
you
this
?
Mr.
Ev.
In
the
fields
near
Grays-Inn
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
How
long
since
?
Mr.
Ev.
About
three
weeks
ago
.
I
asked
him
,
Mr.
Haynes
,
said
I
,
I
would
not
draw
you
from
your
Testimony
in
any
thing
;
but
how
can
this
be
congruous
to
what
you
have
said
formerly
,
That
you
knew
nothing
by
them
?
The
truth
is
,
said
he
,
I
will
not
say
much
to
excuse
my self
,
but
my
Wife
was
reduced
to
that
necessity
,
that
she
begg'd
at
Rouse's
door
,
and
craved
some
Salary
,
and
Mr.
Rouse
would
not
give
her
any
;
and
,
said
he
,
meer
necessity
drove
me
to
it
.
Colledge
.
He
found
better
pay
in
another
place
.
Mr.
Ev.
And
,
says
he
,
't
is
Self-preservation
in
the
next
place
:
for
I
was
brought
in
guilty
when
I
was
taken
up
,
and
therefore
I
was
obliged
to
do
some
things
to
save
my
Life
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
and
Gentlemen
,
observe
what
this
Gentleman
says
,
Haynes
takes
this
course
to
destroy
innocent
persons
for
his
own
preservation
.
Mr.
Ever
.
Besides
,
he
told
me
,
there
is
a
Judgment
impending
upon
the
Nation
,
said
he
,
either
upon
the
King
,
or
upon
the
people
,
I
know
not
which
;
but
these
Irish
mens
swearing
against
them
,
is
justly
fallen
upon
them
for
their
Injustice
against
the
Irish
in
outing
them
of
their
Estates
.
Coll.
So
he
did
it
then
by
way
of
revenge
.
For
his
Country-men
,
I
have
nothing
of
their
Estates
,
I
am
sure
;
therefore
they
had
no
cause
to
swear
against
me
.
But
,
Mr.
Everard
,
have
you
any
more
to
say
concerning
any
of
them
?
Mr.
Everard
.
No
more
concerning
those
persons
that
have
sworn
against
you
,
I
can
say
no
more
.
Colledge
.
As
to
Dugdale
or
Turbervile
?
Mr.
Everard
.
No
indeed
.
Colledge
.
As
to
this
Presbyterian
Plot
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Ever
.
If
the
Court
does
allow
concerning
other
persons
;
but
I
would
not
intrude
any
thing
but
what
the
Court
shall
think
fit
.
Colledge
.
I
know
not
but
they
may
come
in
against
me
;
therefore
pray
tell
what
you
know
.
Mr.
Everard
,
do
you
know
any
thing
more
?
Pray
let
me
know
what
you
know
.
Mr.
Everard
.
Nothing
of
any
person
that
hath
appeared
against
you
as
yet
,
but
what
I
have
told
you
.
Coll.
They
may
do
,
Sir
.
L.
c.
just
.
And
then
we
may
properly
hear
him
to
them
,
and
not
before
.
Colledge
.
I
desire
to
know
who
they
are
;
pray
let
me
know
their
Names
.
Mr.
Everard
.
Fitzgerald
.
L.
c.
j.
He
hath
been
no
Witness
here
.
Coll.
Call
Thomas
Parkhurst
.
L.
c.
j.
What
do
you
ask
him
now
he
is
here
?
College
.
What
do
you
know
concerning
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Parkhurst
.
Sir
,
the
latter
end
of
the
last
November
,
when
the
Parliament
sat
at
Westminster
,
several
times
Mr.
Dugdale
having
promised
me
his
further
Narrative
to
publish
,
which
he
printed
,
I
met
him
several
times
;
one
time
I
met
him
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
,
and
it
was
towards
the
evening
before
we
went
away
;
he
told
me
and
Mr.
Symonds
,
that
he
was
to
speak
with
Dr.
Tongue
;
and
he
told
us
,
that
this
Dr.
Tongue
did
lie
at
Mr.
Colledge's
;
and
he
having
spoken
the
day
before
,
and
several
times
,
of
the
danger
he
was
in
of
his
being
assassinated
by
the
Papists
,
M.
Symonds
and
I
offered
to
go
with
him
,
we
took
a
coach
;
for
we
did
not
know
where
Mr.
Colledge
lived
:
he
had
then
a
Rheum
in
his
Eyes
,
and
was
not
well
;
so
we
accompanied
him
to
Mr.
Colledge's
to
speak
with
Dr.
Tongue
.
It
was
evening
when
we
went
;
and
whilst
we
took
a
pipe
of
Tobacco
,
in
our
discourse
we
were
speaking
of
the
times
,
and
of
the
danger
of
the
Papists
;
so
Colledge
took
down
a
steel
Hat
that
hung
up
there
,
which
he
said
he
had
,
and
he
said
he
had
a
quilted
Coat
of
defensive
Armour
,
and
he
said
he
had
a
Blunderbuss
in
his
House
,
and
two
Pistols
.
But
I
little
thought
of
any
thing
of
this
,
neither
did
I
know
well
what
I
was
subpoena'd
down
for
:
But
these
Arms
I
saw
in
his
House
,
and
it
was
only
in
discourse
that
he
was
provided
against
the
Papists
;
so
I
put
the
steel
Hat
upon
my
Head
and
pulled
it
off
again
,
and
so
did
Mr.
Symonds
.
Colledge
.
Did
I
say
any
thing
,
Sir
,
who
I
had
those
Arms
against
?
Mr.
Parkhurst
.
At
that
time
there
was
no
discourse
in
the
world
,
but
of
the
danger
from
the
Papists
;
and
he
said
he
was
provided
for
them
,
if
they
did
come
to
make
any
disturbance
.
L.
ch.
Just.
When
was
it
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Parkhurst
.
It
was
about
the
latter
end
of
November
.
I
have
the
Narrative
that
I
printed
,
which
was
the
23th
or
24th
;
and
I
have
no
directions
but
that
to
remember
the
time
.
So
we
carried
Mr.
Dugdale
.
home
again
in
a
Coach
and
gave
him
a
pint
of
Wine
at
his
Lodgings
.
L.
ch.
just
.
This
does
not
contradict
Mr.
Dugdale
at
all
.
Mr.
Parkhurst
.
Mr.
Dugdale
does
own
this
for
a
truth
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
So
may
any
body
own
it
.
Colledge
.
Where
is
Mr.
Symonds
?
Pray
,
Sir
,
what
do
you
know
of
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Symonds
.
What
about
,
Sir
?
Colledge
.
I
have
your
Name
here
,
Sir
,
but
I
know
not
for
what
.
Mr.
Symonds
.
I
can
say
the
same
that
Mr.
Parkhurst
did
;
that
I
suppose
is
the
busisiness
.
All
I
know
of
it
is
this
:
I
was
with
Mr.
Parkhurst
and
Mr.
Dugdale
at
Richards
Coffee-House
some
time
in
November
,
I
think
it
was
about
the
printing
of
Mr.
Dugdales
further
Information
;
and
Mr.
Dugdale
was
saying
Dr.
Tongue
had
sent
for
him
,
but
spoke
as
if
he
was
fearful
of
some
danger
in
going
alone
;
so
we
proffered
to
go
along
with
him
,
and
we
took
a
coach
at
the
Coffee-House-door
,
and
went
with
him
to
Dr.
Tongue
,
who
lodged
at
Mr.
Colledges
.
When
we
came
into
the
Room
,
Mr.
Parkhurst
and
I
thought
fit
we
should
in
civility
withdraw
,
which
we
did
;
and
Mr.
Colledge
brought
us
down
into
another
Room
,
where
we
sat
and
took
a
pipe
of
Tobacco
,
and
talking
about
the
common
discourse
of
the
times
,
about
the
Papists
and
the
danger
from
them
,
there
hung
up
in
Mr.
Colledges
Room
some
Arms
;
what
they
were
,
I
dare
not
charge
my
memory
with
to
swear
particularly
,
but
I
do
think
there
was
a
Silk
coat
of
mail
,
and
there
was
a
cap
of
steel
,
and
,
as
I
take
it
,
it
was
covered
with
cloth
or
some
such
thing
;
what
else
I
can't
well
say
:
I
think
there
was
a
Blunderbuss
and
a
case
of
Pistols
:
And
all
the
discourse
that
I
remember
then
,
was
only
this
;
Speaking
of
the
Papists
,
and
some
fears
as
if
there
would
be
an
Insurrection
amongst
them
,
said
he
,
Let
the
Papist
Rogues
begin
when
they
will
,
I
am
ready
to
defend
my self
for
one
.
This
is
all
I
know
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
Sir
,
how
long
ago
was
this
?
Dr.
Tongue
died
before
Christmas
at
my
House
.
Mr.
Symonds
.
I
cannot
tell
exactly
when
it
was
;
but
during
the
Session
of
Parliament
I
am
sure
it
was
,
and
as
I
take
it
,
in
November
the
latter
end
.
Coll.
So
then
,
pray
,
my
Lord
,
see
that
these
Arms
they
charge
me
withal
,
were
provided
before
Christmas
.
L.
c.
j.
But
there
is
nothing
that
contradicts
Dugdale's
Testimony
in
this
.
Coll.
It
does
sufficiently
contradict
him
.
L.
c.
j.
I
do
not
see
that
this
does
at
all
contradict
what
he
hath
said
;
but
do
you
observe
what
you
will
upon
it
,
when
you
come
to
make
your
Defence
.
Stranger
.
A
Gentleman
below
desires
you
to
call
Mr.
Yates
.
Coll.
Pray
,
Sir
,
what
do
you
know
concerning
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Yates
.
I
know
that
Mr.
Dugdale
sent
for
me
to
a
Coffee-House
to
bespeak
a
Pistol
for
you
,
and
told
me
that
when
I
had
made
the
Pistol
,
I
should
deliver
it
to
Mr.
Colledge
.
and
Mr.
Dugdale
promised
to
pay
for
it
when
I
had
done
it
.
Now
some
time
after
I
did
some
small
matter
for
Mr.
Dugdale
,
cleaned
his
Pistols
,
or
some
small
business
;
and
Mr.
Dugdale
asked
me
if
I
would
drink
a
pint
of
Wine
,
which
I
agreed
to
;
and
being
at
the
Tavern
,
Mr.
Dugdale
asked
me
if
Mr.
Colledges
Pistol
were
done
.
I
told
him
no
,
it
was
not
as
yet
.
So
I
asked
Mr.
Dugdale
,
because
he
had
promised
to
give
Mr.
Colledge
a
Pistol
,
what
obligation
there
was
betwixt
Mr.
Colledge
and
him
,
that
he
should
give
him
a
Pistol
?
to
which
he
answered
,
that
Mr.
Colledge
had
been
serviceable
to
him
in
lending
him
a
pair
of
Pistols
to
ride
withal
sometimes
.
So
he
gave
him
a
Pistol
to
satisfie
him
for
the
wearing
of
his
Pistols
now
and
then
.
I
thought
,
said
I
,
Mr.
Colledge
did
impose
upon
your
good
nature
too
much
,
not
but
that
I
believe
Mr.
Colledge
is
a
very
honest
man
,
and
stands
up
for
the
good
of
the
King
and
the
Government
.
Yes
,
said
Mr.
Dugdale
,
I
believe
he
does
,
and
I
know
nothing
to
the
contrary
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
When
was
this
?
Mr.
Yates
.
A
little
after
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxford
;
for
I
never
knew
Mr.
Colledge
before
Mr.
Dugdale
set
me
a
work
for
him
.
Coll.
Mr.
Yates
,
pray
was
there
nothing
in
the
Coffee-House
about
one
that
he
asked
to
go
with
him
,
when
he
said
he
knew
nothing
against
me
?
Mr.
Yates
.
I
heard
one
say
—
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
You
must
speak
your
own
knowledge
,
you
must
not
tell
a
tale
of
a
Tub
of
what
you
heard
one
say
.
Yates
.
I
heard
it
affirmed
—
Mr.
Ser
jeff.
But
by
whom
?
Yates
.
By
a
person
in
the
Coffee-House
.
Ser.
jeff.
Who
was
that
person
?
Yates
.
By
one
of
the
Servants
of
the
House
.
L.
c.
j.
That
is
no
Evidence
at
all
:
if
you
know
any
thing
of
your
own
knowledge
,
speak
it
.
Ser.
jeff.
Is
he
here
?
Yates
.
No
,
I
think
not
.
Mr.
ju
.
jones
.
How
long
do
you
think
we
must
sit
here
to
hear
other
peoples
stories
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
know
any
thing
of
your
own
knowledge
,
I
say
,
speak
it
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Pray
let
me
ask
you
that
question
again
:
When
was
this
that
he
said
he
believed
he
was
an
honest
man
?
Yates
.
It
was
about
three
weeks
after
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxford
.
Coll.
Then
he
does
me
wrong
now
;
for
if
I
were
an
honest
man
then
,
it
cannot
be
true
that
he
says
of
me
.
L.
c.
j.
Who
do
you
call
next
?
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
who
hath
been
sworn
against
me
?
L.
c.
j.
There
is
Stephen
Dugdale
,
John
Smith
,
Bryan
Haynes
,
Edward
Turbervile
,
Sir
William
Jennings
,
and
Mr.
Masters
.
Colledge
.
Call
Mr.
Clayton
.
My
Lord
,
at
his
House
it
was
I
lay
in
Oxford
,
and
that
Dugdale
says
I
spake
some
of
the
Treasonable
words
:
Pray
Sir
,
do
you
know
what
time
I
came
to
Oxford
?
Mr.
Clayton
.
I
remember
it
very
well
,
it
was
at
the
time
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxford
,
about
two
or
three
days
after
it
began
.
Coll.
Pray
what
Arms
did
I
bring
to
your
House
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Clayton
.
As
to
the
matter
of
Arms
,
ther
was
no
other
but
a
Sword
and
a
pair
of
Pistols
;
a
pair
of
Pistols
in
his
Holsters
,
and
his
Sword
by
his
side
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Was
there
no
Silk
Armor
?
Mr.
Clayton
.
I
saw
none
,
if
it
please
you
;
such
a
thing
might
be
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
continued
at
his
House
from
my
coming
in
to
my
going
out
,
and
that
was
till
after
the
Parliament
was
Dissolved
;
and
I
came
after
they
were
sat
:
But
heark
you
,
Mr.
Clayton
,
Mr.
Dugdale
says
he
was
with
me
at
your
House
:
Did
you
ever
see
him
there
?
Mr.
Clayton
.
I
remember
I
have
seen
Dugdale
at
my
House
,
but
never
in
your
company
.
Colledge
.
Did
you
sell
any
mum
?
Mr.
Clayt
.
No
,
I
never
did
sell
any
in
my
life
.
Colledge
.
Because
he
says
we
had
mum
there
.
Mr.
Clayton
.
I
never
saw
him
there
with
you
,
nor
changed
any
word
with
him
,
as
I
know
of
.
L.
c.
j.
Was
he
never
in
the
company
of
Colledge
at
your
house
?
Mr.
Clayton
.
Not
that
I
saw
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
don't
know
all
the
companies
that
come
into
your
House
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
am
told
there
are
some
that
came
from
the
Town
where
I
was
born
that
know
me
,
and
have
known
me
this
24
or
25
years
together
,
if
you
think
that
material
for
me
to
prove
whether
I
am
a
Protestant
or
no.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
If
you
will
make
out
that
,
you
may
.
But
't
is
your
Loyalty
that
is
in
question
.
If
you
will
produce
any
that
can
make
it
appear
,
that
you
use
to
honour
the
King
in
your
discourse
,
or
so
,
that
is
something
.
Coll.
If
I
am
a
Protestant
,
then
the
design
is
plain
,
these
men
swear
to
make
a
Protestant
Plot
,
and
turn
the
Plot
off
the
Papists
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
What
Church
do
you
frequent
in
London
to
hear
Divine
Service
?
Colledge
.
I
have
received
the
Sacrament
several
times
,
Sir
George
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
When
were
you
last
at
the
publick
Church
?
Colledge
.
I
hope
I
may
be
a
Protestant
if
I
have
not
gone
thither
;
but
however
,
I
do
use
to
go
to
Church
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Well
,
call
whom
you
will
.
Colledge
.
Is
Thomas
Deacon
there
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
Yes
.
Coll.
He
lives
,
my
Lord
,
in
the
Parish
where
I
was
born
.
If
you
please
Mr.
Deacon
to
give
my
Lord
an
account
what
you
know
of
me
from
my
childhood
.
Mr.
Deacon
.
I
have
known
Mr.
Colledge
ever
since
he
was
a
youth
,
he
was
born
in
the
Town
where
I
live
.
L.
ch.
Just.
Where
is
that
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
At
Watford
,
a
Town
in
Hertfordshire
.
There
he
lived
till
he
was
a
man
,
and
married
a
Neighbours
Daughter
of
mine
,
and
lived
there
while
he
had
two
children
;
I
never
knew
but
that
he
was
a
very
honest
man
,
frequented
and
kept
to
the
Church
of
England
all
along
,
and
paid
every
man
his
own
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
How
long
is
it
ago
since
he
left
that
place
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
I
can't
directly
tell
how
long
it
is
truely
,
but
I
think
't
is
eighteen
years
since
you
left
Watford
.
Coll.
'T
is
fourteen
years
ago
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
say
fourteen
,
and
they
say
eighteen
.
Mr.
Deacon
.
I
say
,
I
cannot
exactly
tell
.
Coll.
But
Mr.
Deacon
,
I
have
been
in
your
Country
lately
.
Mr.
Deacon
.
He
used
to
come
there
once
or
twice
a
year
generally
to
see
his
friends
I
have
heard
him
declare
himself
against
the
Popish
Church
always
very
much
.
L.
c.
j.
Did
you
never
hear
him
talk
against
the
Government
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
No
,
never
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Nor
against
the
King
:
Mr.
Deacon
.
Nor
against
the
King
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Was
he
in
your
Country
the
last
Easter
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
I
think
it
was
about
Easter
he
was
there
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Was
he
at
Church
there
then
,
and
received
the
Sacrament
?
Mr.
Deacon
.
I
know
not
whether
he
was
there
of
the
Lords-day
or
no
:
He
did
quarter
at
another
Town
,
at
Bushy
,
where
he
has
a
Brother-in-law
.
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
call
another
.
Coll.
Mr.
Whitaker
.
L.
c.
j.
What
is
your
Christian
Name
?
Mr.
Whitaker
.
William
.
L.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
of
him
?
Coll.
Whether
he
knows
me
and
my
Education
.
Mr.
Whitaker
.
Sir
,
I
have
known
him
this
six
and
twenty
years
.
I
knew
his
Parents
,
I
know
his
mother
,
she
lives
now
at
Watford
.
I
have
known
his
behaviour
to
be
very
civil
and
good
;
a
very
good
Church-man
he
was
when
he
lived
with
us
;
and
I
have
inquired
,
and
find
he
has
the
same
Reputation
in
the
Parish
where
he
last
lived
in
Black-fryers
:
He
was
no
Jesuit
nor
Papist
,
I
dare
aver
;
he
hath
flouted
them
&
mocked
them
with
their
Wooden
Gods
,
and
the
like
;
for
he
never
could
endure
that
Perswasion
.
L.
c.
j.
He
is
not
questioned
for
that
,
but
for
Treason
.
Coll.
Did
you
ever
hear
me
speak
any
thing
against
the
Government
?
Mr.
Whitaker
.
I
never
knew
of
any
ill
behaviour
of
him
in
my
life
.
Coll.
But
did
you
ever
hear
me
say
any
thing
against
His
Majesty
or
the
Government
?
Mr.
Whitaker
.
Never
that
I
know
of
.
I
knew
him
a
Souldier
for
His
Majesty
,
in
which
service
he
got
a
fit
of
sickness
,
which
had
like
to
have
cost
him
his
life
;
he
lay
many
months
ill
,
to
his
great
charge
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Where
was
it
he
was
in
His
Majesties
Service
?
Mr.
Whitaker
.
At
Chatham-business
.
Coll.
It
was
under
my
Lord
Rochester
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
I
have
a
Testimonial
under
the
Hands
of
seventy
people
of
Watford
,
to
give
an
account
of
my
good
behaviour
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
He
hath
been
gone
thence
these
eighteen
years
.
Mr.
Whitaker
.
He
hath
come
there
almost
every
half
year
,
sometimes
three
or
four
times
in
a
year
,
because
his
mother
lives
there
now
,
and
he
came
to
pay
his
respects
to
her
.
His
Children
lived
and
went
to
School
with
us
.
L.
c.
just
.
Come
,
who
do
you
call
else
?
Colledge
.
Mr.
Neal.
Mr.
Neal.
I
can
say
no
more
than
the
other
men
before
me
.
I
know
the
man
,
he
was
bred
and
born
at
Watford
,
he
lived
there
several
years
,
he
married
a
Wife
out
of
the
Neighbourhood
,
frequented
the
publick
Worship
.
L.
c.
j.
How
long
ago
is
this
?
Mr.
Neal.
Sixteen
or
seventeen
years
ago
.
But
then
he
used
to
come
once
or
twice
a
year
into
the
Countrey
.
Coll.
Did
you
ever
hear
me
speak
any
thing
against
the
King
or
the
Government
.
Mr.
Neal.
No
,
never
in
my
life
.
Coll.
How
long
is
it
ago
since
you
were
in
my
company
last
?
Mr.
Neal.
When
you
were
in
Town
last
I
never
heard
you
say
any
thing
that
was
ill
.
Colledge
.
How
long
is
it
ago
since
we
were
at
the
White
Hart
together
?
Mr.
Neal.
It
was
about
Spring
.
Coll.
I
said
right
,
my
Lord
,
I
was
there
about
Easter
.
Pray
did
you
ever
hear
me
speak
for
the
King
?
Mr.
Neal.
Truly
the
discourse
we
had
I
never
used
to
keep
in
my
mind
,
but
I
never
heard
him
speak
any
thing
against
the
King
or
the
Government
.
L.
c.
j.
Were
you
much
conversant
with
him
?
Mr.
Neal.
When
he
came
down
to
give
his
mother
a
visit
,
and
see
his
Neighbours
,
we
used
always
to
see
one
another
.
Coll.
Pray
will
you
call
Mr.
Tanner
and
Mr.
Remington
.
[
Mr.
Remington
stood
up
.
]
Mr.
Remington
.
I
say
I
have
known
Stephen
Colledge
these
forty
years
,
and
I
have
known
that
he
was
always
an
honest
man
.
He
was
a
Souldier
some
time
,
but
he
always
went
to
Church
,
was
no
Conventi●ler
;
and
used
to
visit
his
Neighbours
when
he
came
down
to
see
his
mother
,
and
was
always
looked
upon
to
be
a
very
good
man
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
You
say
you
knew
him
a
Souldier
,
pray
when
was
that
?
Mr.
Remington
.
About
the
time
of
Harwich
business
.
That
is
all
I
can
say
.
[
Then
Mr.
Tanner
stood
up
.
]
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Come
,
what
say
you
?
what
do
you
ask
him
Mr.
Colledge
?
Mr.
Tanner
.
I
have
known
Stephen
Colledge
from
a
child
forty
years
,
he
was
born
at
Watford
,
his
Father
worked
with
my
Father
,
and
great
intimate
acquaintance
we
had
with
him
,
and
saw
him
very
often
;
I
never
knew
any
fault
in
him
,
and
I
never
heard
a
bad
report
of
him
in
all
the
Town
of
Watford
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Have
you
seen
him
at
Church
lately
?
Mr.
Tanner
.
No
,
I
have
not
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
I
would
fain
know
whether
this
man
hath
been
at
Church
himself
;
he
looks
as
if
he
had
not
.
Coll.
I
know
not
whether
he
hath
been
at
the
Church
you
mean
or
no
;
but
he
may
be
an
honest
man
and
a
Protestant
for
all
that
.
Lo.
ch.
Just.
Call
another
.
Coll.
Mr.
Peter
Norreys
.
L.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
him
,
Mr.
Colledge
?
here
he
is
.
Coll.
Do
you
know
any
thing
concerning
Mr.
Smith
?
Mr.
Norreys
.
I
was
once
in
the
Hercules
Pillars
,
where
was
Sir
William
Waller
,
Macnamarra
,
Mr.
Joy
,
and
five
or
six
of
us
together
;
and
Mr.
Smith
was
there
,
and
we
were
talking
concerning
the
Parliament
approaching
at
Oxon.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Tell
the
Names
of
the
rest
.
Mr.
Noreys
.
Sir
William
Waller
,
Macnamarra
,
Mr.
Ivy
,
Mr.
Lewes
,
Macnamarra's
Brother
,
and
I
,
and
Mr.
Smith
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Well
said
;
we
don't
meddle
with
any
of
these
,
but
Mr.
Smith
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Was
John
Smith
there
?
Mr.
Norreys
.
He
was
there
.
Lo.
Ch.
Just.
Well
,
go
on
then
.
Mr.
Norreys
.
We
were
talking
of
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
Says
Sir
William
Waller
,
most
of
the
Parliament-men
are
afraid
to
go
up
to
the
Parliament
.
Truly
,
said
Smith
,
I
hope
they
will
be
provided
to
go
,
if
they
do
go
.
Says
Sir
William
Waller
,
I
shall
be
provided
with
the
rest
of
my
friends
;
and
Mr.
Colledge
said
,
I
will
go
up
with
the
rest
of
the
Parliament-men
;
I
shall
be
provided
too
,
says
most
of
the
Evidence
;
says
Sir
William
Waller
,
Will
you
go
along
with
me
,
and
I
will
provide
you
with
an
Horse
;
said
he
,
I
have
an
Horse
of
my
own
,
and
if
it
please
God
I
will
have
nothing
else
to
do
but
to
go
along
with
the
Parliament
,
and
I
will
not
neglect
it
.
This
was
all
the
discourse
of
the
company
for
that
night
.
Colledge
.
Did
you
hear
Mr.
Smith
say
any
thing
against
me
?
Mr.
Norreys
.
No
,
not
a
word
at
all
.
Colledge
.
But
this
were
a
material
Evidence
against
others
of
the
Confederates
,
if
they
had
been
examined
.
Mr.
Norreys
.
My
Lord
,
I
was
at
the
Amsterdam
Coffee-House
the
23.
of
June
last
,
and
there
was
Mr.
Denis
Macnamarra
;
said
he
,
Will
you
go
,
and
I
will
give
you
a
pot
of
Ale
.
L.
c.
j.
There
is
nothing
of
Denis
Macnamarra
in
question
before
us
.
If
you
have
any
thing
to
say
against
any
of
the
Witnesses
that
have
been
sworn
,
go
on
with
your
Evidence
,
we
must
not
hear
stories
of
other
people
.
Colledge
.
He
would
speak
against
some
men
that
have
sworn
against
me
,
but
are
left
out
for
some
Reasons
I
know
not
.
Pray
call
Mr.
Thomas
Norreys
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
What
do
you
ask
him
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
he
knew
me
in
this
Country
some
fifteen
or
sixteen
years
ago
.
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
been
acquainted
with
Mr.
Colledge
about
sixteen
or
eighteen
years
,
and
he
hath
always
carried
himself
very
civilly
and
well
,
and
he
kept
to
the
Church
for
a
considerable
time
as
duely
as
any
Parishoner
did
.
L.
c.
j.
How
long
have
you
known
him
?
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
This
sixteen
years
.
L.
c.
j.
You
live
in
this
Country
,
don't
you
.
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
Yes
,
at
Aylworth
.
Coll.
I
was
at
Astrop-wells
last
year
.
I
believe
Mr.
Justice
Levins
saw
me
there
.
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
Yes
,
I
was
there
with
you
.
Coll.
We
did
discourse
commonly
then
concerning
the
Papists
,
Pray
,
Sir
,
did
you
find
me
inclined
to
the
Popish
interest
?
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
You
spoke
very
much
against
them
.
Colledge
.
Did
you
ever
hear
me
speak
against
the
King
or
the
Government
?
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
No
,
I
never
heard
it
;
for
if
he
were
my
Brother
,
I
should
have
discovered
it
.
L.
ch.
just
.
How
often
have
you
seen
him
?
Mr.
T.
Norreys
.
Very
often
,
and
conversed
much
with
him
.
Collede
.
My
Lord
,
as
to
the
papers
charged
upon
me
that
they
were
mine
,
I
declare
I
know
not
of
them
.
Dugdale
says
I
owned
them
,
and
the
Letter
and
several
Prints
;
but
,
my
Lord
,
I
had
done
my self
a
great
injury
if
I
had
done
or
owned
those
things
he
hath
charged
me
withal
.
I
never
could
make
a
Picture
,
nor
never
did
draw
a
Picture
in
my
life
;
and
that
very
person
that
he
says
I
owned
I
got
it
to
be
Printed
by
,
hath
denied
it
before
the
King
and
Council
;
for
he
there
testified
that
he
did
not
know
the
person
that
caused
it
to
be
Printed
.
L.
ch.
just
.
How
came
you
to
have
so
many
seized
in
your
House
?
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
here
is
Elizabeth
Hunt
,
the
Maid
by
whom
they
were
taken
in
,
and
who
can
give
you
an
account
of
it
.
I
cannot
deny
but
that
they
were
in
my
House
;
but
that
I
was
the
Author
,
or
did
take
them
in
,
is
as
great
a
mistake
as
ever
was
made
.
Call
Elizabeth
Hunt
.
I
do
not
know
whether
Curtis
be
in
Town
,
but
this
I
am
confident
,
he
was
examined
before
the
King
and
Council
,
and
He
and
his
Wise
denied
it
.
Lo.
c.
j.
He
shall
be
called
if
he
be
here
.
Colledge
.
I
know
nothing
of
the
Printing
of
them
,
nor
was
I
the
Author
of
them
.
L.
c.
j.
They
were
dispersed
by
you
up
and
down
.
Colledge
.
That
they
were
in
my
House
,
I
believe
,
my
Lord
;
and
this
woman
will
tell
you
how
,
my
Lord
.
Pray
tell
the
Court
how
these
Papers
that
are
called
the
Raree-Shew
came
to
be
in
my
House
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
A
Porter
brought
three
bundles
to
our
House
,
and
asked
whether
my
Master
was
not
within
:
I
told
him
no
,
he
was
not
.
Said
he
,
these
Papers
are
to
be
left
here
:
said
I
,
who
do
they
come
from
:
said
he
,
't
is
all
one
for
that
,
you
must
pay
me
,
and
I
must
leave
them
here
;
so
I
gave
him
six
pence
,
and
he
left
the
Papers
,
but
I
never
saw
the
man
since
,
nor
before
.
And
,
my
Lord
,
I
never
read
them
what
they
were
;
but
I
saw
they
were
such
sort
of
Prints
as
those
.
L.
c.
j.
How
long
was
it
before
they
were
seized
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
A
matter
of
seven
or
eight
weeks
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
it
seems
they
were
put
in
a
Box
,
and
left
in
my
Counting-House
:
I
never
touched
them
,
but
there
they
staid
,
for
ought
I
know
,
till
they
were
taken
.
L.
c.
j.
You
were
Colledge's
Servant
,
were
you
not
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
neither
knew
the
Printer
nor
the
Author
;
but
I
heard
a
man
was
in
trouble
about
them
,
upon
a
By-Law
in
the
Stationers
Company
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
How
came
you
by
that
Original
?
Coll.
Have
you
it
there
?
I
know
of
none
was
produced
.
But
if
I
were
a
person
concerned
,
it
were
no
Treason
;
and
,
my
Lord
,
I
hope
you
will
do
me
that
Justice
,
to
let
the
Jury
know
they
are
not
Treason
,
none
of
these
Papers
.
And
I
do
declare
I
know
nothing
of
the
Original
,
the
Printer
,
nor
the
Author
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
You
spend
time
in
making
observations
out
of
order
of
time
:
When
you
have
given
your
Evidence
,
then
make
your
observations
.
Colledge
.
I
confess
I
may
err
as
to
matter
of
Order
,
for
I
was
never
in
this
capacity
before
:
But
pray
do
you
tell
the
Court
how
the
papers
came
there
,
and
all
the
transactions
;
for
I
was
a
Prisoner
when
they
came
and
searched
.
L.
c.
j.
No
,
it
was
eight
weeks
before
you
were
taken
they
were
left
there
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Did
you
tell
you
Master
soon
after
they
were
left
there
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
No.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
Within
what
time
did
you
tell
him
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
I
believe
it
was
a
week
or
a
fortnight
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Where
was
your
Master
all
that
time
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
He
was
in
the
countrey
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
did
see
them
there
,
I
must
confess
,
I
do
not
deny
but
I
saw
them
there
,
but
I
knew
not
whence
they
came
,
nor
whose
they
were
;
nor
did
I
ever
intend
to
meddle
with
them
,
nor
concern
my self
about
them
.
What
have
you
to
say
more
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
Concerning
Mr.
Dugdale
,
if
I
may
speak
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Ay
,
go
on
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
I
went
to
receive
the
money
of
Mr.
Dugdale
that
he
owed
my
Master
,
and
asking
him
for
it
,
he
said
he
would
pay
me
such
a
time
to
morrow
morning
,
if
I
would
come
for
it
;
but
when
I
came
,
he
had
not
the
money
ready
for
me
.
Sir
,
said
I
,
I
think
't
is
very
hard
that
you
should
keep
my
Masters
money
from
him
,
and
yet
you
go
and
swear
against
his
life
too
:
what
do
you
think
we
shall
do
at
home
in
the
Family
,
if
you
keep
my
Masters
money
,
and
he
be
in
Prison
?
Said
he
,
there
is
a
great
deal
of
do
about
my
swearing
against
your
Master
,
more
than
needs
;
but
as
I
hope
for
Salvation
,
I
do
not
believe
Mr.
Colledge
had
any
more
hand
in
any
conspiracy
against
his
Majesty
,
than
the
child
unborn
.
Here
is
Dugdale
,
let
him
deny
it
if
he
can
.
Dugdale
.
As
I
hope
for
Salvation
I
did
not
say
so
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
Upon
my
Salvation
't
is
true
what
I
say
Stephens
.
This
was
the
maid
that
hid
her
Masters
papers
when
they
were
searched
for
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
Be
quiet
;
art
thou
entring
into
dialogues
with
the
maid
now
.
Coll.
Mr.
Stevens
,
't
is
well
known
what
a
man
you
are
to
propagate
Witnesses
.
My
Lord
,
she
gave
me
an
account
of
this
in
the
Tower
before
I
came
away
,
that
Dugdale
desired
to
speak
with
Mr.
Smith
,
and
told
her
that
nothing
that
he
had
to
say
would
touch
my
life
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
As
I
am
alive
't
is
true
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Dugdale
denies
it
now
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
He
is
not
a
right
man
if
he
denies
it
,
for
he
told
it
me
twice
.
Colledge
.
I
told
Mr.
Smith
of
it
,
when
he
had
leave
to
come
to
me
:
I
told
him
what
the
maid
said
he
had
said
to
her
,
and
this
was
three
weeks
ago
;
said
he
,
I
will
speak
with
him
with
all
my
heart
,
if
he
has
a
mind
to
speak
with
me
;
for
he
hath
said
that
he
hath
nothing
against
her
Master
that
can
touch
an
hair
of
his
head
,
nor
nothing
that
can
touch
his
life
;
that
he
knew
nothing
of
a
Plot
or
contrivance
against
the
King
;
and
if
I
could
help
it
,
I
had
as
lieve
have
given
a
hundred
pound
I
had
never
spoken
what
I
have
.
This
he
said
to
her
.
L.
c.
j.
You
tell
her
what
to
say
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
Sir
,
he
does
not
tell
me
;
for
Mr.
Dugdale
said
those
very
things
to
me
.
Coll.
This
is
an
account
I
had
when
I
was
a
Prisoner
;
I
could
not
direct
her
.
L.
c.
j.
Do
you
deny
what
they
say
to
be
true
,
Mr.
Dugdale
?
Mr.
Dugd.
My
Lord
,
she
came
to
me
for
money
,
I
told
her
I
had
it
not
ready
,
but
would
pay
her
;
and
in
the
Shop
,
before
the
Apprentice
boy
,
she
desired
of
me
that
I
would
write
two
or
three
words
what
I
had
to
say
against
her
Master
,
and
I
told
Mr.
Graham
of
it
.
So
,
said
I
,
I
cannot
tell
,
I
have
not
the
papers
,
nor
what
informations
I
have
given
against
him
.
So
she
came
again
the
next
morning
,
and
she
was
at
me
to
write
down
what
I
said
.
I
wonder
,
said
I
,
your
Master
will
send
you
!
had
not
he
as
good
send
Mr.
Smith
,
who
is
his
counsel
?
And
this
was
all
the
words
we
had
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
My
Lord
,
I
do
solemnly
assure
you
,
he
said
he
would
write
down
what
he
had
said
against
my
Master
,
and
would
fain
speak
with
Mr.
Smith
;
for
there
was
more
ado
made
about
it
than
needs
.
Dugd.
Mr.
Graham
can
tell
what
it
was
;
for
I
came
and
told
him
immediately
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Did
you
tell
her
you
had
nothing
to
say
against
her
Master
that
would
touch
his
life
?
Dugdale
.
I
could
not
say
that
I
had
said
nothing
against
her
Master
,
for
she
asked
me
that
I
would
write
down
what
I
had
said
;
but
I
told
her
I
knew
not
what
was
Treason
,
that
must
be
referred
to
the
Court.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Did
he
speak
it
openly
or
privately
to
you
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
He
did
not
speak
it
aloud
;
no
body
heard
him
but
my self
.
Dugd.
It
was
in
the
Shop
,
and
the
Apprentice-boy
was
by
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Was
this
after
he
had
been
at
the
Old-Baily
,
or
before
?
Eliz.
Hunt
.
Yes
,
it
was
after
he
had
been
at
the
Old-Baily
,
and
after
he
had
been
at
Oxon.
too
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Then
it
was
before
the
Court
,
what
could
be
made
of
it
?
Coll.
She
had
gone
forty
times
for
the
money
I
had
lent
him
out
of
my
pocket
,
and
I
lent
him
that
when
I
had
little
more
for
my self
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
I
did
tell
him
,
Mr.
Dugdale
,
if
you
can't
let
me
have
my
Masters
money
,
if
you
please
to
tell
me
what
you
have
made
Oath
against
my
Master
.
Said
he
,
I
can't
let
thee
have
it
now
,
but
thou
shalt
have
what
I
have
to
say
against
him
;
I
will
draw
it
up
in
writing
,
and
thou
shalt
have
it
to
morrow-morning
.
The
next
morning
I
came
to
him
again
,
and
,
said
I
,
I
am
come
again
,
what
must
I
do
?
Said
he
,
I
have
no
money
,
such
an
one
hath
not
hoped
me
to
it
.
Sir
,
then
said
I
,
I
hope
you
will
be
as
good
as
your
word
,
to
let
me
know
what
you
have
made
Oath
against
my
Master
.
Said
he
,
I
was
about
it
yesterday
,
but
could
not
do
it
:
But
,
Sweetheart
,
said
he
,
(
and
took
me
by
the
hand
)
I
will
give
you
a
copy
of
it
to
day
at
ten
of
the
clock
;
and
if
I
do
not
,
I
will
tell
it
thee
by
word
of
mouth
.
So
I
came
to
the
House
at
ten
,
and
staid
till
eleven
,
but
did
not
see
him
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
You
had
a
great
mind
to
be
tampering
.
Eliz.
Hunt
.
The
first
time
,
he
asked
me
who
was
his
counsel
;
I
told
him
,
Mr.
Smith
;
then
,
said
he
,
I
have
a
great
desire
to
speak
with
him
:
So
I
told
my
Master
of
it
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
you
see
it
is
but
black
and
white
,
all
this
whole
contrivance
upon
me
:
she
hath
proved
I
knew
nothing
of
these
papers
,
and
indeed
I
did
not
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Do
you
call
any
more
Witnesses
?
Colledge
.
There
is
my
Brother-in-law
that
received
those
papers
.
Call
George
Spur
,
and
Sarah
Goodwin
.
(
Mrs.
Goodwin
appeared
.
)
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
any
thing
of
the
papers
that
were
carried
to
my
Brother
George
Spur
●
?
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
Yes
,
I
do
.
The
Saturday
after
my
Brothers
confinement
,
about
eight
of
the
clock
in
the
morning
,
I
having
heard
of
it
,
came
into
the
House
,
and
in
a
quarter
of
an
hours
time
in
comes
a
Waterman
,
and
desires
an
handful
or
two
of
shavings
.
I
knowing
not
who
he
was
,
nor
what
he
desired
them
for
,
told
him
he
should
have
them
;
so
he
went
up
to
the
working-shop
togather
them
,
for
he
pretended
that
to
be
his
business
.
L.
c.
j.
Whose
Waterman
was
it
?
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
A
Waterman
,
I
suppose
,
that
belonged
to
His
Majesty
,
for
he
had
a
Coat
marked
with
R.
C.
Coll.
This
is
after
I
was
in
custody
.
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
Yes
,
it
was
the
Saturday
after
.
So
no
sooner
had
he
the
shavings
,
but
he
goes
out
of
the
Shop
,
and
comes
in
again
with
three
of
his
Majesties
Messengers
,
and
they
made
enquiry
after
papers
,
and
I
being
innocent
of
concealing
any
papers
,
or
any
thing
,
said
I
knew
of
none
;
so
they
came
to
one
box
that
had
the
Tools
for
the
men
to
work
with
,
and
they
demanded
the
keys
:
I
told
him
,
I
knew
not
where
the
keys
were
:
So
they
went
to
the
next
,
and
found
it
open
,
but
nothing
did
they
find
there
;
there
was
a
Bed
wherein
formerly
my
Brother's
Servants
did
lye
.
Said
one
to
the
other
,
look
well
whether
there
be
not
something
hid
in
that
bed
;
said
I
,
I
suppose
there
is
no
such
thing
as
you
inquire
for
:
if
you
please
,
you
may
take
off
the
clothes
,
and
gave
them
free
toleration
to
look
;
but
for
the
chest
,
I
would
not
deliver
the
keys
,
because
the
man
was
not
there
that
owned
it
.
In
their
searching
they
flung
down
the
Wainscote
,
and
did
a
great
deal
of
damage
to
his
Goods
.
Gentlemen
,
said
I
,
I
suppose
you
have
order
to
search
,
but
none
to
spoil
a
mans
Goods
.
When
they
were
gone
,
having
found
none
,
they
threatned
,
God
dam
them
they
would
have
them
,
for
there
they
were
.
But
I
being
ignorant
of
the
concealment
of
the
papers
,
I
requested
the
Maid
and
my
Brothers
Son
,
whether
they
knew
of
any
papers
,
and
they
satisfied
me
they
knew
of
some
prints
that
were
brought
by
a
Porter
,
to
be
left
at
my
Brothers
,
but
they
knew
not
whence
they
came
,
nor
what
they
were
:
and
the
same
answer
gave
my
Brother's
Son
,
that
he
did
not
know
whose
the
papers
were
.
But
since
his
Fathers
confinement
,
they
were
laid
up
sure
and
safe
,
for
they
knew
not
what
they
concerned
.
Upon
this
,
my
Lord
,
my
Brother
in-law
George
Spur
,
he
comes
into
the
House
,
and
if
it
please
your
Honour
,
I
requested
him
to
carry
them
into
the
Countrey
to
his
House
,
to
secure
them
till
we
knew
what
they
did
concern
,
and
who
they
did
belong
to
.
Whereupon
he
replied
,
my
Lord
,
that
he
was
fearful
to
carry
any
thing
out
of
the
House
;
said
I
,
if
you
will
please
to
take
them
of
me
,
I
will
carry
them
out
of
the
House
for
your
security
,
because
his
Wife
looked
every
hour
(
being
with
child
)
when
she
should
be
delivered
,
and
he
was
fearful
of
troubling
her
.
So
I
carried
them
out
of
the
House
,
and
delivered
them
to
him
.
L.
c.
just
.
To
whom
?
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
To
my
Brother-in-law
Mr.
George
Spur.
So
at
my
going
out
,
after
I
had
delivered
them
to
him
,
in
my
way
back
again
.
I
found
a
small
Paper-book
,
and
a
small
parcel
of
Writings
;
who
dropped
them
,
or
who
laid
them
there
,
I
cannot
tell
.
But
taking
them
up
unadvisedly
,
I
put
them
among
the
Prints
,
which
I
carried
out
;
I
delivered
them
to
my
Brother-in-law
.
This
is
all
I
have
to
say
as
to
the
papers
.
Stevens
.
Three
parts
of
what
she
hath
said
is
false
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Well
,
hold
you
your
tongue
.
Stevens
.
Mr.
Atterbury
is
here
,
my
Lord
,
that
searched
the
house
.
Atterbury
.
Be
pleased
to
give
me
my
Oath
,
I
will
tell
you
what
passed
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
don't
think
it
material
,
but
you
were
sworn
before
,
stand
up
.
L.
c.
j.
Tell
the
manner
of
finding
the
papers
.
This
woman
gives
us
an
account
of
a
Waterman
that
came
in
,
pretending
to
fetch
shavings
—
Atterbury
.
Upon
my
Oath
it
was
not
so
.
The
Waterman
was
a
Waterman
that
brought
me
and
two
more
of
my
Fellows
,
and
the
Waterman
followed
us
into
the
yard
,
but
came
after
us
:
and
being
ordered
to
look
for
papers
,
I
did
search
the
House
;
for
I
had
Intelligence
that
there
were
papers
there
,
but
I
did
not
find
them
there
.
But
upon
finding
the
first
papers
,
I
made
the
more
diligent
search
,
but
could
not
find
the
rest
I
most
chiefly
sought
after
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Did
the
Kings
Waterman
take
any
shavings
by
himself
?
Atterbury
.
We
were
all
together
,
we
did
not
move
out
of
any
one
Room
,
but
together
;
this
Gentlewoman
was
in
the
House
when
I
came
,
and
there
was
a
little
child
,
a
girl
,
and
this
maid
was
there
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Did
you
come
for
shavings
there
,
Mr.
Atterbury
?
Atterbury
.
No
,
I
did
not
.
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
The
Waterman
did
though
first
.
Coll.
Call
George
Spur.
(
But
he
did
not
appear
.
)
But
Mr.
Atterbury
,
before
you
go
down
,
pray
tell
the
Court
,
did
you
take
any
of
these
papers
at
my
House
,
or
at
my
Brother-in-law
Spurs
House
?
Sewel
.
My
Lord
,
I
took
the
papers
,
and
I
took
them
at
Bushy
at
Spurs
House
.
And
this
woman
carried
out
one
half
to
Spur
,
and
the
maid
carried
out
the
other
.
L.
c.
j.
When
did
he
carry
them
?
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
The
same
day
they
searched
for
them
,
for
my
Brother
came
in
at
the
same
time
.
L.
c.
j.
How
do
you
know
Spur
carried
any
?
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
He
carried
none
out
of
the
House
,
I
carried
them
out
of
the
House
and
delivered
them
to
him
.
Lo.
c.
just
Then
they
were
in
the
House
.
Mrs.
Goodwin
.
They
were
in
the
Counting-House
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
if
they
were
in
any
other
place
,
I
know
not
how
they
came
there
,
for
this
was
done
after
I
was
a
prisoner
;
and
Sewel
says
they
were
removed
when
I
was
a
prisoner
.
Where
is
George
Spur
?
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
It
is
admitted
they
were
at
your
House
,
and
taken
thence
,
and
afterwards
carried
to
Spurs
.
Colledge
.
They
carried
them
abroad
,
and
handed
them
from
one
to
another
,
and
took
them
into
the
Countrey
,
I
know
not
what
they
did
with
them
;
but
my
Lord
,
I
neither
know
the
Printer
nor
the
Author
,
I
declare
it
upon
my
life
.
L.
c.
just
.
Have
you
any
more
Witnesses
?
Colledge
.
No
,
my
Lord
,
I
have
not
.
L.
c.
j.
Will
you
that
are
of
Counsel
for
the
King
call
any
more
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
One
or
two
if
you
please
,
my
Lord
.
Call
John
Shirland
.
And
it
is
to
this
purpose
,
it
seems
very
lately
Mr.
Bolron
would
have
tempted
him
to
have
forsworn
himself
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
hope
,
if
they
bring
in
any
persons
of
new
Evidence
,
I
may
have
leave
to
contradict
them
.
L.
c.
j.
You
need
not
fear
but
you
shall
be
heard
to
them
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
We
shall
prove
Bolron
to
be
a
Subornor
of
Witnesses
;
and
that
the
Jury
may
know
what
he
is
,
he
and
Mowbray
have
gone
to
give
Evidence
at
several
Trials
,
and
the
Jury
would
never
believe
them
when
they
were
upon
their
Oath
.
Mr.
Ser.
Jeff.
I
think
it
needs
not
,
time
hath
been
spent
enough
already
.
Coll.
No
whispering
,
good
my
Lord
.
Sir
Geo.
Jeff.
Good
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
are
not
to
tell
me
my
duty
here
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
It
is
not
lawful
for
the
Kings
Counsel
to
confer
together
?
Coll.
Not
to
whisper
,
my
Lord
,
all
ought
to
be
spoken
out
.
L.
c.
j.
Nothing
ought
to
be
said
to
the
Jury
indeed
privately
.
Mr.
Att
Gen.
But
shall
not
we
talk
among
our selves
?
Coll.
No
,
I
hope
,
not
of
any
thing
that
concerns
my
Trial.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
are
deceived
in
that
.
Colledge
.
I
think
t
is
Law
,
that
all
ought
to
be
publick
,
I
beg
your
pardon
if
I
am
in
the
wrong
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Swear
John
Shirland
.
(
Which
was
done
.
)
Pray
give
the
Court
and
the
Jury
an
accompt
of
Bolron
,
what
you
knew
of
him
.
Shirland
.
Bolron
my
Lord
,
last
Whitson-Tuesday
,
would
have
given
me
ten
pound
and
an
Horse
to
go
down
and
swear
against
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
.
I
was
to
swear
I
was
suborned
by
his
Friends
,
and
several
other
persons
,
which
I
have
discovered
upon
my
Oath
.
L.
c.
Just.
Is
this
man
sworn
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Yes
.
Lo.
c.
just
.
Now
call
Bolron
to
confront
him
.
Colledge
.
He
offered
you
an
Horse
,
as
much
as
I
offered
Turbervile
an
Horse
,
and
I
never
offered
Him
an
Horse
in
the
world
.
[
Then
Bolron
appeared
.
]
L.
c.
j.
Is
this
the
man
,
Shirland
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
he
give
you
Ten
pound
to
swear
?
Shirland
.
He
bid
me
Ten
pound
and
an
Horse
to
swear
against
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
.
Mr.
ju
.
jones
.
Did
you
ever
see
him
,
Bolron
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
he
was
to
have
been
a
Witness
against
Sir
Miles
Stapleton
,
and
he
pretended
that
he
was
suborned
by
Sir
Miles
,
or
some
of
his
friends
.
Coll.
What
are
you
,
Sir
?
Mr.
Bolron
,
what
is
Mr.
Shirland
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
He
is
a
man
lives
by
his
Shifts
:
He
hath
been
whip'd
in
Bridewel
.
Colledge
.
Do
you
know
him
,
Sir
?
What
is
he
?
Mr.
Bolron
.
Even
an
idle
man
.
Shirland
.
You
,
once
when
you
saw
me
,
drew
your
Sword
on
me
,
because
I
would
not
do
as
you
would
have
me
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
profess
,
my
Lord
,
't
is
not
so
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Here
is
Mr.
Smith
,
hear
what
he
says
against
Mr.
Bolron
.
Mr.
Smith
.
As
we
were
coming
up
along
,
he
was
speaking
to
me
of
Colledge
,
and
told
me
,
he
had
as
much
to
say
against
him
as
any
body
;
and
if
I
would
speak
for
him
,
he
would
evidence
againce
Sir
John
Brookes
for
a
discourse
at
Ferry-bridge
.
Mr.
Bolron
.
I
never
did
hear
any
such
thing
.
Mr.
Smith
.
No
man
in
your
own
Country
will
believe
you
.
Colledge
.
They
believed
you
no
more
,
it
seems
neither
.
L.
c.
j.
Do
you
call
any
more
Witnesses
,
Gentlemen
?
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
No
,
I
think
,
we
need
not
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
as
I
understand
it
,
the
Kings
Counsel
will
produce
no
more
Witnesses
.
You
may
make
what
Observations
you
will
upon
the
Evidence
to
the
Court
,
and
then
must
them
make
what
Observations
they
will
to
the
Court
;
and
then
we
will
give
the
Charge
to
the
Jury
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
only
innocence
to
pleade
;
I
have
no
Flourishes
to
set
off
my
Desence
.
I
cannot
take
the
Jury
nor
the
Court
with
an
Oratory
;
I
am
unhappy
in
those
things
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
I
do
declare
,
as
to
my
own
particular
,
in
the
presence
of
God
Almighty
,
that
as
to
whatsoever
is
sworn
against
me
,
as
to
the
seizing
his
Majesty
,
providing
Arms
,
or
having
any
Design
either
at
Oxford
or
London
,
or
any
other
place
in
the
world
,
to
seize
upon
the
person
of
the
King
,
or
to
rebel
against
the
Government
established
;
I
vow
to
God
Almighty
,
I
never
had
such
a
thought
in
me
:
't
is
a
truth
,
my
Lord
.
My
Lord
,
they
have
sworn
desperately
against
me
,
and
it
hath
appeared
,
I
think
,
by
very
credible
persons
,
that
they
have
contradicted
one
another
.
It
hath
been
proved
that
it
was
a
Design
;
that
they
were
tampered
withal
;
that
they
complained
they
were
in
poverty
,
that
they
wanted
maintenance
;
and
they
did
confess
they
were
tempted
to
come
over
to
swear
against
Protestants
:
and
now
the
Lord
knows
they
have
closed
with
it
,
and
they
begin
with
me
.
I
hope
the
Jury
have
taken
notice
that
I
have
contradicted
them
sufficiently
in
what
they
have
sworn
;
and
that
it
is
not
possible
,
if
I
had
a
grain
of
sence
,
for
me
to
discover
my self
to
be
such
an
one
to
Haynes
that
was
an
Irish-man
,
and
should
speak
all
the
Treason
that
he
hath
galloped
through
at
first
sight
,
that
as
soon
as
ever
I
saw
him
,
that
I
should
speak
so
to
him
;
I
hope
you
will
consider
whether
it
consists
with
common
Reason
,
when
there
could
be
no
probability
of
making
any
use
of
him
in
the
world
.
My
Lord
,
all
my
Witnesses
that
I
have
brought
,
your
Lordship
can
,
and
I
hope
will
sum
them
up
better
than
I
can
;
for
I
declare
it
,
I
have
been
so
concerned
,
that
I
have
not
been
able
to
write
half
of
it
down
.
But
I
think
there
is
never
a
man
that
hath
sworn
against
me
,
but
hath
been
sufficiently
confuted
by
persons
of
integrity
and
Honesty
,
men
of
Principles
,
and
men
of
Religion
;
they
are
such
,
my
Lord
,
that
make
conscience
of
what
they
say
:
they
are
persons
altogether
unknown
to
me
,
most
of
them
,
as
to
what
they
had
to
say
;
it
was
what
they
offered
voluntarily
;
and
I
am
certain
they
have
had
nothing
but
their
bare
charges
,
if
they
had
that
,
for
their
pains
in
coming
hither
;
and
,
my
Lord
,
there
is
no
probability
that
they
should
come
and
attest
any
thing
that
is
false
,
for
me
who
am
a
stranger
,
for
nothing
:
No
man
is
a
Knave
for
nothing
,
as
I
believe
these
men
are
not
.
My
Lord
,
I
do
declare
it
,
I
was
bred
a
Protestant
,
and
I
have
lived
so
;
I
am
so
this
very
day
;
I
have
been
a
lover
of
the
Church
of
England
,
and
of
all
the
fundamental
points
of
Doctrine
believed
in
it
;
I
own
the
same
God
,
the
same
Saviour
,
the
same
Gospel
,
and
the
same
Faith
;
I
never
had
a
prejudice
against
any
man
in
the
Church
in
my
life
,
but
such
as
have
made
it
their
business
to
promote
the
interest
of
the
Papists
,
and
such
I
must
beg
leave
to
say
there
are
amongst
them
:
for
there
is
no
Society
in
the
world
without
some
bad
men
;
and
these
do
promote
the
interest
of
the
Papists
,
by
dividing
the
Protetestants
and
allowing
none
to
be
true
Protestants
,
but
those
that
are
within
the
Church
of
England
established
by
Law
;
which
is
a
Notion
so
wide
I
could
never
close
with
that
.
I
never
had
a
prejudice
against
any
man
but
a
Knave
in
my
life
.
I
have
heard
,
I
confess
,
some
of
the
Dissenters
,
and
I
have
found
very
honest
,
just
,
pious
,
godly
men
among
them
;
men
free
from
Oaths
and
all
Debauchery
;
men
that
make
a
conscience
of
what
they
say
:
not
like
some
persons
that
say
they
are
of
the
Church
of
England
,
that
carry
themselves
in
their
lives
and
actions
,
so
as
that
no
credit
can
be
gained
to
the
Church
by
them
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
been
an
hearty
man
against
the
Papists
;
I
have
been
an
hearty
man
as
any
person
of
my
condition
for
Parliaments
,
which
I
look
upon
to
be
my
Birth-right
,
and
under
God
Almighty
,
the
Bulwark
of
our
Liberty
;
and
I
am
sorry
if
any
man
should
be
an
instrument
to
create
a
misunderstanding
betwixt
the
King
and
the
Parliament
:
for
I
always
thought
I
served
my
Country
,
when
I
served
the
Parliament
,
and
I
served
the
King
,
when
I
served
my
Country
.
I
never
made
any
difference
between
them
,
because
I
thought
them
both
one
.
I
had
the
Honour
to
be
entrusted
by
them
before
,
and
upon
that
account
I
came
voluntarily
down
hither
.
I
rid
my
own
Horse
,
I
spent
my
own
money
,
and
eat
my
own
Bread
;
I
was
not
beholding
to
any
man
for
the
value
of
six
pence
all
the
while
I
was
here
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
ever
since
the
Plot
hath
been
discovered
,
endeavered
with
all
my
heart
,
and
all
my
power
,
to
dedect
and
come
at
the
very
bottom
of
it
:
I
have
spared
for
no
time
nor
pains
,
what
lay
fairly
in
my
way
,
in
every
thing
to
encourage
those
that
discovered
the
Villanies
of
the
Popish
Plot
against
the
Life
of
the
King
,
and
for
the
Subversion
of
the
Religion
and
Government
established
by
Law
.
Now
certainly
it
is
not
strange
to
the
world
;
for
I
think
all
Christendom
is
aware
how
plain
the
Popish
Plot
hath
been
proved
.
These
men
that
swear
against
me
,
were
they
that
used
to
follow
me
sometimes
;
they
would
say
,
it
was
they
that
had
come
to
save
our
lives
,
and
yet
we
let
them
want
Bread
.
That
argument
,
my
Lord
,
was
so
fair
,
that
I
thought
it
unreasonable
to
see
them
starve
:
And
I
have
said
sometimes
to
some
honest
considerable
men
,
that
it
was
hard
they
should
have
this
to
say
of
us
,
that
they
should
want
Bread
to
eat
that
were
the
Kings
Evidence
,
to
detect
a
Popish
Plot
wherein
we
our selves
were
concerned
;
and
that
when
they
had
saved
our
blood
in
our
veins
,
they
should
be
suffered
to
starve
.
And
one
time
,
I
think
,
some
three
or
four
Gentlemen
of
the
City
did
give
me
42
s.
or
40
s.
and
8
d.
or
thereabouts
;
which
I
did
distribute
amongst
them
:
And
they
never
came
to
me
in
my
life
,
but
to
seek
relief
,
they
knowing
that
I
had
a
general
acquaintance
.
And
sometimes
they
thought
it
might
be
fit
to
petition
the
Common
Council
of
London
to
take
care
of
them
:
Sometimes
they
would
speak
to
particular
men
that
care
should
be
taken
of
them
.
At
other
times
indeed
it
was
not
this
sort
of
discourse
they
had
with
me
;
but
they
would
pretend
they
had
something
to
discover
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
so
they
would
apply
to
me
as
a
man
of
some
acquaintance
.
And
the
first
time
I
saw
Haynes
was
upon
such
an
account
,
the
beginning
of
March
last
,
and
it
was
thus
:
I
was
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
at
Temple-Bar
,
where
Macnamarra
did
desire
me
to
go
out
,
and
I
should
hear
such
a
piece
of
Roguery
I
never
did
hear
in
my
life
,
against
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
.
So
I
did
go
out
with
them
,
and
I
called
Captain
Brown
,
who
is
since
dead
,
to
go
with
me
;
and
we
went
to
the
Hercules
Pillars
,
and
Haynes
there
discovered
what
I
told
your
Lordship
before
,
a
design
to
destroy
the
Parliament
at
Oxford
,
an
Army
that
was
to
land
in
the
North
,
another
in
Ireland
,
and
the
Duke
of
York
was
to
be
at
the
head
of
them
.
My
Lord
,
after
I
had
heard
all
out
,
he
did
desire
us
all
to
conceal
what
he
had
said
till
the
Parliament
sat
,
and
then
he
would
not
only
discover
this
,
but
much
more
.
He
at
the
same
time
told
us
,
that
there
was
a
design
of
Fitz-Gerald's
against
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
to
take
away
his
life
,
and
he
was
employed
to
come
to
his
Cousin
Macnamarra
to
get
him
over
to
joyn
in
the
design
,
and
he
should
never
want
for
money
,
if
he
would
but
come
over
,
and
do
as
they
would
have
him
.
After
he
had
discovered
himself
,
Sir
,
said
I
,
you
are
a
stranger
to
me
,
and
I
never
saw
him
before
in
my
days
,
if
he
had
seen
me
,
I
can't
tell
:
But
,
Sir
,
said
I
,
either
this
is
true
,
or
this
is
false
.
If
it
be
true
,
said
he
,
't
is
all
true
,
and
much
more
.
So
he
up
and
told
us
much
of
Coleman
,
and
of
the
reconciliation
between
the
Duke
of
Ormond
and
the
Duke
of
York
,
and
how
he
came
to
be
Lord
Lieutenant
of
Ireland
,
and
how
Plunket
came
to
be
Primate
,
and
by
means
of
whom
,
and
the
Letters
that
passed
,
and
how
so
much
a
year
was
given
to
Plunket
for
carrying
on
the
correspondence
;
and
he
told
us
so
much
,
that
I
did
wonder
to
hear
any
man
talk
after
that
rate
.
After
I
had
heard
what
he
had
to
say
,
I
told
him
,
Sir
,
said
I
,
this
is
either
true
or
false
that
you
have
said
;
if
it
be
true
,
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
shall
know
it
to
night
;
for
I
will
not
conceal
such
a
thing
concerning
a
Peer
of
the
Realm
:
and
if
it
were
a
colour
,
he
should
know
of
it
.
And
I
did
send
him
word
that
night
;
and
,
said
I
,
Sir
,
you
ought
to
go
,
for
your
own
security
and
ours
too
,
to
swear
it
before
a
Magistrate
.
Said
he
,
if
I
should
,
I
should
be
discovered
.
Said
I
,
I
can't
think
you
will
be
discovered
;
if
you
swore
it
before
Sir
George
Treby
,
or
Sir
Robert
Clayton
,
they
will
not
discover
you
.
So
he
agreed
he
would
swear
before
Sir
George
Treby
,
and
he
did
go
accordingly
;
but
he
being
out
of
Town
,
I
cannot
have
the
Affidavit
to
produse
it
.
There
was
a
Letter
sent
last
Saturday-night
to
Sir
George
to
Bristol
,
and
I
hoped
he
might
have
been
here
to
day
.
This
was
the
first
acquaintance
I
ever
had
with
Haynes
The
next
time
I
heard
of
him
,
was
upon
this
occasion
:
Ivy
comes
to
me
in
Richard's
Coffee-House
,
and
,
said
he
,
yonder
is
the
man
that
made
that
discovery
,
which
I
told
you
before
that
Haynes
had
said
to
me
;
it
was
about
a
month
or
three
weeks
before
the
Parliament
was
at
Oxford
.
After
the
Parliament
was
dissolved
at
Oxford
,
Ivy
comes
to
me
,
and
I
think
it
was
betwixt
the
two
Terms
wherein
Fitz-Harris
was
Arraigned
and
Tried
:
I
know
not
the
names
of
them
,
but
he
comes
to
me
and
tells
me
he
had
been
with
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
,
and
that
there
was
a
friend
of
his
that
would
confirm
all
that
Fitz-Harris
had
discovered
concerning
the
Murder
of
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey
;
and
,
says
he
,
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
hath
sent
me
to
you
to
acquaint
you
with
it
.
Where
is
your
friend
,
said
I
?
He
is
without
,
said
he
.
So
we
went
out
of
the
Coffee-House
,
and
when
we
came
out
of
doors
,
there
was
this
Haynes
:
we
went
to
the
Crown-Tavern
without
Temple-Bar
,
it
was
in
the
forenoon
.
When
we
came
there
into
the
room
,
he
examined
all
the
corners
,
and
cupboards
,
and
places
about
the
room
,
to
see
that
no
body
was
there
.
When
he
thought
all
was
secure
,
he
began
to
tell
me
he
had
been
to
acquaint
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
that
there
was
a
friend
of
his
that
would
discover
the
whole
Intrigue
of
the
murder
of
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey
,
all
that
Fitz-Harris
had
said
,
and
much
more
:
And
he
desired
me
that
I
would
intreat
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
to
be
instrumental
to
get
him
his
Pardon
before
he
discover'd
particularly
.
Then
I
told
him
,
I
think
't
is
convenient
,
said
I
,
that
you
discover
something
in
writing
,
and
give
under
your
hand
what
you
can
say
.
He
was
not
willing
to
do
that
.
Can
you
believe
,
said
I
,
that
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury
will
betray
you
?
Says
he
,
I
will
not
trust
any
body
;
I
shall
be
assassinated
.
Said
I
,
if
you
will
not
give
it
to
any
body
else
,
will
you
give
it
to
Mr.
Michael
Godfrey
,
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey's
Brother
?
you
can
have
no
jealousie
of
Him
,
that
He
will
ever
discover
you
:
said
he
,
if
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
will
engage
to
get
me
a
Pardon
,
I
will
tell
the
whole
truth
:
said
I
,
I
will
go
to
my
Lord
and
acquaint
him
:
so
I
went
to
both
my
Lord
and
Mr.
Godfrey
,
and
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey's
two
Brothers
both
met
me
at
my
Lord
of
Shaftsbury's
House
.
This
is
the
thing
that
he
tells
me
;
he
would
have
me
get
my
Lord's
Protection
,
and
a
Pardon
for
Treason
:
But
the
real
truth
is
,
He
sent
me
upon
this
errand
:
so
I
came
to
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
,
and
the
two
Mr.
Godfreys
were
in
the
room
;
and
after
I
had
told
my
Lord
what
discourse
I
had
with
Him
,
says
my
Lord
,
Colledge
,
these
Irish-men
have
confounded
all
our
business
;
and
thou
and
I
must
have
a
care
they
do
not
put
a
trick
upon
us
;
this
may
be
a
trick
of
the
Papists
to
ruine
us
;
and
if
they
have
such
a
design
,
if
they
will
not
put
it
upon
you
and
I
,
they
are
fools
.
Upon
your
Lordship
,
said
I
,
they
may
;
but
I
am
a
poor
inconsiderable
fellow
.
Says
my
Lord
,
I
'll
tell
you
,
Mr.
Godfrey
;
Mr.
Colledge
hath
not
only
been
an
Honest
man
,
but
a
useful
and
an
active
man
for
the
Protestant
interest
.
So
I
told
my
Lord
how
far
I
had
gone
with
Him
,
and
that
I
desired
it
might
be
put
in
writing
:
says
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
,
if
he
will
put
it
in
writing
,
I
will
go
once
again
,
for
I
have
been
since
I
saw
the
fellow
,
with
my
Lord
Macclesfield
,
and
my
Lord
Chief
Justice
Pemberton
,
and
my
Lord
Chancellor
,
and
I
have
told
them
that
there
is
such
a
person
in
general
,
but
I
knew
not
the
man
,
as
indeed
my
Lord
did
not
;
for
only
Ivy
was
the
person
between
them
that
my
Lord
knew
:
And
I
told
them
,
says
my
Lord
,
that
he
can
confirm
all
that
Fitz-Harris
has
said
concerning
the
death
of
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey
,
and
that
he
would
prove
my
Lord
of
Danby
was
in
it
,
if
he
might
have
his
pardon
;
and
my
Lord
said
,
they
promised
to
speak
to
his
Majesty
that
it
might
be
granted
.
But
some
time
the
latter
end
of
the
week
I
heard
it
would
not
be
granted
;
and
both
of
these
men
followed
me
to
know
what
they
should
do
.
Said
I
,
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
knows
not
but
that
it
may
be
a
trick
;
and
,
said
I
to
Ivy
,
I
wonder
why
he
should
conceal
it
all
this
while
,
being
a
necessitous
man
,
and
500
l.
proffered
by
the
King
in
his
Proclamation
.
Why
,
says
Ivy
,
do
you
think
there
is
no
truth
in
it
?
says
I
,
't
is
not
my
judgment
,
but
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
and
Mr.
Godfrey's
judgment
too
.
He
answered
me
again
,
Fitz-Harris
hath
desired
he
may
have
a
pardon
granted
for
himself
and
a
French-man
;
and
if
so
be
there
were
nothing
in
it
,
do
you
think
he
would
move
for
a
pardon
?
Says
I
,
did
Mr.
Fitz-Harris
move
for
Haynes's
pardon
?
How
do
I
know
that
,
says
Ivy
again
:
Fitz-Harris's
Wife
told
me
so
.
Says
I
,
let
me
speak
with
Fitz-Harris's
Wife
,
let
me
hear
her
say
so
,
and
I
will
believe
you
.
The
next
day
he
did
bring
her
to
me
to
my
House
;
and
this
was
the
time
and
the
occasion
that
brought
Fitz-Harris's
Wife
,
and
Haynes
,
and
Ivy
,
and
Mr.
Fitz-Harris's
maid
to
my
House
;
and
I
never
saw
Fitz-Harris
in
my
days
till
his
Tryal
,
nor
had
any
communication
with
him
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
she
did
talk
with
Haynes
,
and
confirmed
it
to
me
,
that
her
Husband
had
desired
a
pardon
for
him
:
why
then
,
said
I
,
he
would
do
well
to
discover
what
he
knows
to
my
Lord
Shaftsbury
;
for
I
was
with
my
Lord
,
and
he
says
he
will
meddle
no
more
,
unless
he
will
give
it
under
his
hand
what
he
has
to
say
:
And
he
did
confess
to
me
in
my
own
yard
,
for
there
we
were
together
,
that
he
saw
my
Lord
of
Danby
come
into
the
Chappel
at
Sommerset-House
,
when
the
body
of
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey
lay
under
the
Altar
.
L.
c.
j.
Here
hath
been
nothing
of
this
made
appear
by
proof
.
Coll.
My
lord
,
I
only
tell
you
which
way
they
introduced
themselves
into
my
acquaintance
.
L.
c.
j.
You
may
observe
what
you
will
upon
the
Evidence
,
as
we
told
you
;
but
you
ramble
from
the
matter
you
are
to
speak
to
.
And
as
we
told
Mr.
Attorney
,
that
what
he
said
should
go
for
nothing
,
unless
he
made
it
out
by
proof
;
so
must
we
say
to
you
,
what
you
say
goes
for
nothing
,
further
than
you
have
proved
it
.
Now
you
have
quitted
the
proof
quite
,
and
not
spoke
to
that
,
but
run
into
other
stories
.
I
would
have
you
keep
your self
to
your
proofs
,
and
make
your
observations
upon
them
.
Coll.
'T
is
,
as
I
humbly
conceive
it
,
to
my
purpose
but
I
hope
my
ignorance
may
excuse
me
,
if
I
err
.
I
tell
you
the
truth
of
things
,
thus
it
was
.
L.
c.
j.
Truth
!
Why
if
yours
,
or
any
mans
word
in
your
case
,
should
go
for
truth
,
no
man
that
stands
at
a
Bar
could
be
convicted
;
for
every
man
will
say
he
is
an
honest
man
,
and
all
the
plausible
things
in
the
world
.
Make
you
your
observations
upon
the
proof
that
is
proper
for
you
to
do
;
and
urge
it
as
well
as
you
can
,
and
to
the
best
purpose
you
can
:
but
to
tell
us
long
stories
of
passages
between
you
and
others
that
are
not
a
whit
proved
,
that
is
not
usual
,
nor
pertinent
.
Colledge
.
I
thought
it
had
been
to
the
point
,
when
this
man
pretends
to
have
a
familiarity
with
me
,
to
shew
how
his
acquaintance
begun
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Why
,
do
you
think
▪
't
is
an
answer
to
him
in
what
he
proves
upon
his
Oath
?
Have
you
proved
one
jot
of
it
?
not
that
I
have
heard
.
'T
is
your
part
to
sum
up
the
Evidence
on
your
own
side
,
and
to
answer
that
which
is
proved
upon
you
,
if
you
can
.
Do
that
,
and
we
will
hear
you
speak
to
it
as
long
as
you
can
.
But
to
tell
stories
to
amuse
the
Jury
with
that
are
not
proved
,
and
to
run
out
into
rambling
discourses
to
no
purpose
,
that
is
not
to
be
allowed
,
nor
never
was
in
any
Court
of
Justice
.
Mr.
Just.
Raymond
.
Not
one
of
your
Witnesses
have
mentioned
any
thing
that
you
say
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
I
wonder
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
should
forget
your self
so
much
:
for
you
found
fault
with
Mr.
Attorney
at
the
beginning
for
opening
the
Evidence
,
and
you
were
told
,
and
the
Jury
were
told
at
your
request
,
that
what
he
said
,
and
did
not
prove
,
passed
for
nothing
.
But
I
must
tell
you
,
't
is
much
worse
in
your
case
:
for
Mr.
Attorney
only
opened
what
he
might
prove
afterwards
,
but
your
observations
are
upon
what
hath
been
proved
already
;
and
yet
you
run
out
into
stories
of
what
hath
not
been
proved
at
all
,
after
your
proof
is
past
.
Colledge
.
Sir
,
I
could
not
prove
this
otherwise
than
by
Ivy
,
who
hath
been
sworn
against
me
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Would
you
have
the
Jury
to
believe
you
upon
your
word
?
Coll.
There
is
no
more
than
his
Oath
against
me
;
and
why
my
Oath
,
being
an
Englishman
,
and
a
Protestant
,
should
not
be
taken
as
well
as
his
that
is
an
Irish
man
,
and
hath
been
a
Papist
;
I
know
not
.
L.
c.
j.
You
go
upon
that
ground
that
your
word
is
to
be
taken
,
as
appears
by
your
defence
;
but
I
must
tell
you
,
all
the
course
of
Justice
were
destroyed
,
and
no
Justice
against
malefactors
were
to
be
had
,
if
the
word
of
him
that
is
accused
should
pass
for
proof
to
acquit
him
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
have
given
your
Lordship
an
account
of
these
fellows
conversations
;
and
what
other
proofs
to
make
,
I
know
not
:
for
I
knew
not
what
they
would
swear
against
me
,
and
I
had
not
witnesses
in
my
pocket
to
confront
them
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Well
▪
the
Jury
have
heard
it
over
and
over
again
,
first
upon
your
request
,
that
nothing
is
to
be
taken
notice
of
that
is
not
proved
.
Coll.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
then
as
to
Haynes
.
My
Lord
,
I
do
observe
that
there
was
a
witness
for
me
,
that
did
prove
he
owned
he
was
one
that
was
employed
to
make
a
Protestant
Plot
,
and
another
that
did
hear
him
swear
,
dam
him
,
he
would
swear
any
thing
against
any
body
for
money
;
for
it
was
his
Trade
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Now
you
are
right
;
speak
as
much
as
you
will
as
to
your
proofs
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
think
Turbervile
and
Dugdale
swear
as
to
the
tenth
of
March
Oxon.
I
desire
it
may
be
proved
I
was
in
Oxford
the
tenth
of
March.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
your self
came
down
the
middle
of
March.
L.
c.
j.
I
do
not
remember
that
they
said
the
tenth
of
March.
Coll.
Did
not
the
Indictment
say
so
?
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
It
is
only
in
the
Indictment
.
L.
c.
j.
As
to
the
time
mentioned
in
the
Indictment
,
it
is
not
material
;
that
is
the
constant
rule
in
Tryals
upon
Indictments
;
as
if
an
Horse
be
laid
to
be
stole
the
tenth
,
if
it
be
proved
the
Prisoner
stole
it
another
day
,
it
will
be
sufficient
,
the
time
is
not
material
;
the
question
is
whether
the
Indictment
be
true
in
substance
.
Mr.
Colledge
,
my
Brothers
will
all
tell
you
that
the
Law
is
so
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Though
it
is
laid
the
tenth
of
March
,
yet
if
it
be
proved
the
first
or
twentieth
before
or
after
,
it
is
all
one
:
So
the
thing
be
proved
,
they
are
not
bound
to
a
day
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
the
punctilio's
of
Law
I
know
not
,
but
it
was
the
twenty
fourth
or
twenty
fifth
e're
I
came
down
.
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
go
on
Sir
.
Coll.
Dugdale
says
I
meant
by
the
word
Rowley
,
the
King
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
He
does
so
.
Coll.
How
does
he
come
to
know
,
that
by
that
word
I
meant
the
King
?
L.
c.
j.
That
we
did
ask
him
,
and
he
says
you
used
so
to
expound
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Why
,
look
you
,
He
said
you
and
he
used
to
have
frequent
communication
concerning
the
King
and
you
did
most
frequently
speak
of
the
King
by
the
name
of
Rowley
.
Colledge
.
But
I
say
,
my
Lord
,
I
never
spake
of
the
King
by
the
name
of
Rowley
in
my
life
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
say
it
,
and
he
swears
the
contrary
.
Coll.
I
don't
remember
that
he
says
I
declared
it
so
,
but
he
said
I
meant
it
;
for
if
I
had
declared
it
,
then
it
had
been
the
same
thing
for
me
to
have
named
the
King
downright
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
as
to
that
,
when
any
witness
had
done
his
Evdence
,
you
had
liberty
to
cross
examine
him
.
L.
c.
j.
Would
you
have
him
called
up
again
to
clear
this
?
Coll.
Yes
,
if
you
please
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Stand
up
,
Mr.
Dugdale
.
I
understood
by
your
testimony
,
when
Mr.
Colledge
and
you
discoursed
of
the
King
,
you
sometimes
discoursed
of
him
by
the
name
of
Rowley
,
and
that
he
explained
that
name
to
be
the
King
.
Mr.
Dugd.
The
first
time
I
ever
heard
what
Rowley
meant
,
was
from
him
;
for
I
asked
him
what
he
meant
by
the
name
of
Rowley
;
I
heard
it
before
,
but
I
did
not
understand
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Where
was
it
?
Dugdale
.
At
Richard's
Coffee-House
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
What
was
the
answer
he
made
you
?
Dugdale
.
He
said
it
was
the
King
.
Coll.
Upon
what
occasion
did
I
explain
it
to
you
?
Dugdale
.
Upon
the
account
of
the
Pictures
.
Colledge
.
I
know
not
which
of
the
Pictures
has
the
name
of
Rowley
in
it
.
Dugdale
.
It
was
when
we
were
talking
of
one
of
the
Pictures
you
brought
in
Rowley
;
and
Mac
was
the
Duke
of
York
,
and
Rowley
was
the
King
.
Coll.
Upon
what
Picture
was
it
that
I
took
occasion
to
explain
the
name
Rowley
to
you
?
Dugdale
.
I
am
not
certain
.
Coll.
Remember
you
have
an
account
to
give
as
well
as
I.
Dugd.
You
have
so
many
Pictures
that
I
can't
remember
them
;
you
have
shewed
me
more
than
have
been
produced
in
Court
.
Coll.
Where
had
you
that
Picture
from
me
that
they
call
Raree-Shew
?
Dugd.
Truly
I
received
of
them
twice
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
.
Coll.
Twice
,
do
you
say
?
Dugd.
Yes
,
two
of
them
at
two
several
times
;
for
you
having
promised
me
one
,
you
brought
it
according
to
your
word
.
Colledge
.
When
was
that
?
Dugd.
I
did
not
keep
an
account
of
the
day
of
the
month
;
and
another
I
do
remember
at
the
Green-Dragon-Tavern
you
thrust
into
my
pocket
,
and
Mr.
Baldwin
was
by
at
that
time
.
And
,
said
he
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
will
be
so
open
,
that
you
will
come
to
be
discovered
at
last
.
Coll.
Then
will
I
be
willing
to
dye
for
it
,
if
he
and
I
and
Mr.
Baldwin
were
at
the
Green-Dragon-Tavern
together
.
When
was
it
that
I
gave
you
any
Pictures
there
?
was
it
since
the
Parliament
at
Oxon.
Dugd.
Do
I
charge
you
since
the
Parliament
?
Coll.
I
never
saw
Raree-Shew
before
the
Parliament
at
Oxord
.
Dugd.
I
do
not
say
it
was
that
;
you
gave
me
one
of
the
others
.
Coll.
'T
is
strange
you
will
stick
to
nothing
.
When
was
it
we
were
at
the
Green-Dragon-Tavern
;
Dugd.
We
were
there
before
the
Parliament
sat
at
Oxon
,
it
was
since
Christmass
.
Coll.
What
Picture
was
it
I
gave
you
there
?
Dugd.
It
may
be
I
can't
remember
which
of
them
it
was
,
it
was
not
Raree-Shew
;
I
suppose
you
gave
me
one
of
them
concerning
the
Bishops
,
where
you
put
Bishop
Mew
kissing
the
Pope's
Toe
;
for
it
was
a
Bishop
with
a
patch
on
,
and
that
you
told
me
was
Bishop
Mew
.
Coll.
I
put
it
,
did
I
make
it
?
Dugd.
You
said
you
were
the
Author
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Mr.
Colledge
;
Will
you
consider
upon
what
Mr.
Dugdale
was
called
up
about
,
the
exposition
of
the
name
of
Rowley
.
Coll.
I
did
examine
him
,
and
he
hath
contradicted
himself
;
for
he
hath
said
at
the
Green
Dragon-Tavern
I
gave
him
a
Picture
of
Raree-Shew
.
Mr.
just
.
Jones
.
He
said
no
such
thing
,
He
said
he
did
not
know
which
it
was
.
Colledge
.
I
am
certain
he
meant
that
then
when
he
spake
it
;
for
he
named
it
before
,
that
he
had
two
from
me
at
Richard's
Coffee-House
,
and
one
I
thrust
into
his
pocket
at
the
Tavern
;
and
I
say
I
never
was
at
the
Green-Dragon-Tavern
with
Mr.
Dugdale
and
Mr.
Baldwyn
,
nor
in
the
Tavern
these
three
quarters
of
a
year
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
were
in
the
right
just
now
,
to
manage
your
Evidence
,
in
opposition
to
the
other
Evidence
;
go
on
that
way
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
don't
know
well
what
was
said
,
for
I
could
not
hear
half
,
nor
write
a
quarter
of
it
;
but
,
my
Lord
,
I
hope
your
Lordship
has
taken
Notes
of
it
,
and
will
remember
it
for
me
.
You
are
my
Counsel
as
well
as
my
Judges
.
L.
c.
j.
In
matter
of
Fact
we
are
.
Colledge
.
My
Life
and
your
Souls
lye
at
stake
to
do
me
Justice
;
therefore
I
hope
you
will
take
notice
of
what
I
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
write
down
.
I
have
observed
that
every
one
of
my
Witnesses
have
spoken
materially
to
contradict
what
they
have
said
,
to
prove
that
this
was
done
for
money
,
and
that
there
hath
been
confessions
from
every
man
of
them
;
that
they
were
hired
to
do
it
;
that
they
did
it
for
a
livelyhood
;
and
one
of
them
said
;
It
was
a
good
Trade
,
dam
him
,
he
would
do
any
thing
for
money
:
And
I
hope
then
you
will
consider
the
improbability
,
that
I
should
speak
to
an
Irishman
who
I
had
never
seen
before
in
my
life
;
and
that
I
should
at
the
first
dash
utter
all
that
Treason
that
he
gives
in
Evidence
,
I
think
it
cannot
consist
with
any
mans
understanding
to
believe
me
to
be
so●
mad
or
so
weak
.
Mr.
just.
Levinz
.
That
is
as
to
Haynes
only
.
Colledge
.
As
to
Smith
now
I
suppose
it
does
not
come
within
the
reach
of
the
Statute
;
for
the
Dinner
that
was
made
by
Alderman
Wilcox
was
made
before
last
July
was
twelve-month
;
all
the
Witnesses
do
say
it
was
before
Christmas
,
and
Dr.
Oates
says
it
was
in
the
Summer
;
I
know
it
by
a
very
good
observation
,
because
I
went
to
Astrop
Waters
after
that
,
and
I
saw
Sir
Creswell
Levinz
at
the
Wells
:
Now
Sir
you
were
there
before
this
time
twelvemonth
.
So
then
whatever
he
says
I
said
to
him
there
,
I
cannot
be
charged
withal
by
the
Statute
,
more
or
less
,
if
I
had
never
a
Witness
against
him
;
but
I
have
Witnesses
that
have
contradicted
him
sufficiently
,
that
he
is
forsworn
in
that
;
and
if
so
,
he
is
not
to
be
believed
in
any
thing
else
;
for
he
says
,
He
&
I
went
to
the
Coffee-House
together
,
and
we
discoursed
such
and
such
things
,
which
is
not
above
half
a
Bows
shoot
,
and
he
made
it
I
say
a
quarter
of
a
miles
discourse
;
if
I
had
had
all
the
talk
,
the
discourse
could
not
be
so
long
,
tho'
he
had
said
never
a
word
:
so
you
see
what
a
kind
of
Witness
he
is
.
And
Dr.
Oates's
Brother
did
say
,
that
I
did
go
along
with
Dr.
Oates
,
and
offered
to
be
one
of
his
Guard
,
and
I
did
so
,
and
went
along
with
them
,
but
Mr.
Smith
he
came
after
.
And
as
to
what
he
says
he
is
sufficiently
confuted
,
that
is
,
about
the
going
into
Cabals
after
Dinner
;
for
it
is
proved
,
that
I
fell
asleep
behind
the
Table
,
and
Dr.
Oates
was
discoursing
with
Mr.
Savage
upon
points
of
Divinity
;
but
I
took
no
notice
of
it
,
neither
did
I
see
Smith
any
more
,
but
he
went
away
,
and
so
did
the
rest
of
the
company
.
But
,
my
Lord
,
when
Haynes
was
taken
,
Smith
comes
to
me
that
day
to
my
House
at
the
Ditch-side
,
and
sends
in
a
man
for
me
,
his
man
;
I
was
writing
in
my
Parlour
,
and
drawing
the
Design
for
Wainscoting
Alhallows
Church
,
a
Platform
for
it
;
his
man
told
me
,
His
Master
would
speak
with
me
,
and
Haynes
was
taken
that
morning
:
But
as
I
understand
since
,
it
was
by
agreement
and
his
own
consent
,
tho'
he
hath
pretended
otherwise
.
You
hear
,
says
he
,
Haynes
is
taken
?
Yes
,
says
I
,
I
do
,
he
hath
been
ever
since
9
a
clock
before
the
Secretary
upon
examination
,
and
he
was
till
5
a
clock
at
night
examining
:
said
he
,
I
believe
he
confesses
a
great
deal
:
Said
I
,
of
what
?
Said
he
,
of
some
design
of
the
Protestants
:
Said
I
,
what
,
against
the
Government
?
I
do
not
know
what
they
may
affright
him
into
;
He
is
a
great
Rogue
if
it
be
true
all
that
he
hath
said
of
himself
:
He
says
he
was
concerned
in
the
Fire
of
London
,
and
knew
of
a
design
to
destroy
the
Protestants
then
;
of
a
Rebellion
that
was
to
be
in
Ireland
;
of
Plunket's
being
made
Primate
,
and
a
great
many
of
those
things
:
So
that
if
he
speaks
truth
,
he
hath
been
a
great
Rogue
,
and
as
he
hath
pretended
also
,
he
was
a
great
coward
.
So
then
I
believe
he
may
say
any
thing
to
excuse
himself
:
Says
Mr.
Smith
,
I
wish
you
are
safe
.
This
was
the
very
night
before
I
was
taken
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Have
you
proved
any
thing
of
this
?
Coll.
My
Lord
,
Pray
give
me
leave
to
tell
you
what
is
proof
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
are
not
to
repeat
this
,
unless
you
prove
it
,
Sir
.
Coll.
He
spake
cautiously
to
me
,
as
if
he
would
have
intimated
to
me
he
would
have
had
me
run
away
.
Said
he
,
I
believe
you
are
not
safe
,
I
would
have
you
take
care
of
your self
,
for
you
were
concerned
with
him
.
Now
,
my
Lord
,
if
I
had
been
a
guilty
person
,
I
had
time
enough
to
get
away
;
and
to
prove
this
,
I
can
only
say
this
was
betwixt
him
and
I.
But
,
my
Lord
,
you
hear
Dr.
Oates
says
,
that
this
very
Smith
did
swear
he
would
hare
my
blood
,
and
that
was
upon
this
occasion
of
my
vindicating
Sampson
,
whom
he
had
struck
and
abused
;
and
I
asked
why
he
did
it
?
Said
he
,
I
value
no
mans
life
,
if
he
affront
me
,
if
't
is
any
man
in
England
,
I
value
him
not
.
My
Lord
,
upon
this
occasion
the
words
rise
between
us
;
and
when
he
came
out
of
doors
,
and
was
going
away
Dr.
Oates
said
,
He
swore
he
would
have
my
blood
,
and
that
was
the
occasion
of
his
speaking
that
Blasphemy
.
L.
c.
j.
Dr.
Oates
did
say
so
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Well
,
you
are
right
now
,
if
you
will
go
on
in
that
way
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
this
is
for
Smith
and
Haynes
,
that
Haynes
should
say
it
was
a
good
Trade
,
and
dam
him
,
he
would
swear
any
thing
for
money
;
and
that
Smith
should
swear
,
dam
him
he
would
have
my
blood
.
I
cannot
sum
up
the
rest
of
them
,
for
I
have
not
them
here
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
There
is
Turbervile
,
and
Dugdale
,
and
Smith
;
we
will
help
you
as
to
the
persons
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Pray
keep
to
the
business
,
and
do
not
run
out
.
Colledge
.
Pray
,
my
Lord
,
I
have
one
thing
to
say
about
Smith
;
He
says
I
shewed
him
my
Arms
,
which
I
have
had
for
any
time
almost
these
three
years
,
ever
since
the
Plot
brake
out
.
I
have
been
armed
ready
to
oppose
the
Papists
,
and
I
did
my
duty
in
the
City
in
person
in
the
Trained-Bands
,
but
Smith
says
these
Arms
were
to
destroy
the
Kings
Guards
,
but
he
does
not
prove
that
I
was
confederate
with
any
other
person
,
but
instead
of
that
there
were
other
persons
that
say
with
his
own
mouth
,
that
he
did
not
believe
there
was
any
Protestant
Plot
;
nay
,
he
did
believe
I
said
it
only
in
wantonness
.
This
is
all
,
then
how
probable
was
it
,
that
I
my self
should
seize
the
King
,
or
destroy
his
Guards
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
You
remember
Captain
Brown
,
Captain
Chuton
,
and
Don
Lewes
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Coll.
Did
he
swear
they
were
all
in
my
company
at
Oxon.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Yes
,
Dugdale
did
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
Captain
Brown
and
Lewes
were
friends
to
my
Lord
Howard
,
with
whom
and
other
company
I
came
down
to
Oxon.
and
they
lay
with
me
at
the
Chequer
,
and
they
were
in
my
company
because
they
were
Guests
in
the
House
,
and
we
came
along
together
,
but
he
does
not
say
they
were
either
of
them
armed
more
than
my self
,
nor
was
he
ever
in
company
with
us
;
how
then
does
he
know
we
were
in
a
conspiracy
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Because
you
told
him
at
London
first
that
they
were
such
persons
.
Coll.
I
never
saw
Lewes
in
my
days
till
I
saw
him
that
morning
I
came
down
from
Oxon.
and
Brown
I
was
not
acquainted
with
a
fortnight
before
.
This
is
a
truth
,
but
however
they
have
sworn
a
Plot
upon
me
at
Oxon.
and
then
come
and
prove
I
declared
these
were
the
men
,
and
spoke
such
and
such
words
at
London
;
I
desire
your
Lordships
Judgment
in
this
matter
of
Law
,
whether
what
be
done
at
London
can
be
sufficient
matter
of
proof
in
Law
to
maintain
an
Indictment
against
me
at
Oxon.
And
if
not
,
they
do
not
prove
legally
that
I
have
spoken
such
words
.
Besides
I
conceive
't
is
not
a
good
proof
,
because
there
is
but
one
Witness
.
L.
c.
j.
Yes
,
look
you
,
there
are
two
Witnesses
,
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
,
as
to
what
you
said
at
Oxon.
and
two
Witnesses
as
to
what
you
said
at
London
,
Haynes
and
Smith
,
who
testifie
what
you
said
you
would
do
at
Oxon.
Now
in
case
you
came
to
Oxon.
with
any
such
intention
,
that
coming
to
Oxford
is
an
Overt-act
,
and
the
Witnesses
that
speak
what
you
said
in
London
,
is
Evidence
to
maintain
the
Indictment
here
,
and
to
prove
what
your
intention
was
.
Coll.
Does
that
become
an
Overt-act
if
I
go
to
Oxon.
upon
an
honest
occasion
,
any
other
occasion
,
though
I
had
said
these
words
before
.
L.
c.
j.
If
you
came
with
that
intent
to
joy
with
others
,
and
with
a
real
purpose
to
seize
the
King
,
that
is
the
Overt-act
,
and
the
words
before
prove
the
intention
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
He
declared
it
himself
by
his
words
.
Coll.
Smith
says
that
about
a
week
after
Wilcox's
Dinner
,
I
discoursed
with
him
at
the
Ditch
side
,
that
comes
not
within
the
compass
of
the
Statutes
.
Then
there
is
twice
of
the
3
times
he
speaks
of
,
the
last
day
I
do
not
remember
when
it
was
.
Lo.
c.
just
.
All
was
in
London
that
Smith
speaks
of
you
.
Coll.
How
comes
that
to
be
proof
here
,
then
nothing
he
says
is
to
go
for
any
thing
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Nothing
will
serve
your
turn
;
we
have
declared
our
opinions
once
already
,
that
if
the
Witnesses
swear
true
,
here
are
two
Witnesses
;
nay
,
if
one
were
of
what
was
done
at
London
,
and
the
other
of
what
was
done
at
Oxon.
if
they
be
to
the
same
Treason
,
they
be
two
Witnesses
in
Law
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
observe
one
thing
upon
Turberviles
Evidence
,
he
swears
there
was
a
discourse
in
the
Room
when
Brown
was
upon
the
Bed
,
but
afterwards
if
your
Lordship
minds
it
,
he
says
,
I
discoursed
with
him
as
he
and
I
lay
upon
the
bed
.
Before
he
said
when
Brown
lay
upon
the
bed
,
and
in
the
Room
,
and
afterwards
when
we
lay
upon
the
bed
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Both
the
one
and
the
other
.
Colledge
.
But
he
said
first
one
way
,
and
then
the
other
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Whilst
Brown
lay
upon
the
bed
,
and
when
he
was
gone
,
whilst
you
both
lay
upon
the
bed
.
L.
c.
just
.
We
will
do
you
no
wrong
,
therefore
if
you
will
,
Turbervile
shall
stand
up
and
clear
it
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
believe
those
that
have
taken
the
passages
can
prove
he
contradicted
himself
in
that
.
Lo.
c.
just
.
He
said
both
.
But
the
Jury
have
taken
notes
of
the
Evidence
,
and
will
take
notice
of
it
.
Coll.
As
to
Mr.
Masters
,
the
Evidence
he
gives
was
,
he
says
that
he
and
I
should
discourse
of
the
Parliament
in
40.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
the
justifiableness
of
the
late
Kings
Death
,
that
they
had
done
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
to
do
.
Colledge
.
He
swears
that
I
did
say
to
him
,
that
the
late
Parliament
did
not
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
you
said
the
last
Parliament
that
sate
at
Westminster
was
of
the
same
opinion
with
that
in
40.
Coll.
I
dare
appeal
to
Esquire
Charlton
,
in
whose
shop
the
discourse
was
.
I
did
not
know
that
Mr.
Masters
was
to
be
an
Evidence
against
me
,
and
truly
they
have
taken
that
course
with
me
,
by
which
any
man
may
be
destroyed
with
half
this
Evidence
,
were
they
of
good
credit
,
let
his
innocence
be
what
it
will
.
I
have
been
used
so
barbarously
in
the
Tower
,
kept
from
all
conversation
,
and
so
in
an
utter
ignorance
of
what
was
sworn
against
me
;
for
else
I
coud
easily
have
disproved
Mr.
Masters
,
if
I
had
been
in
London
,
and
had
liberty
to
provide
for
my
defence
;
but
they
have
taken
a
course
to
prevent
that
,
and
brought
me
hither
because
't
is
impossible
I
should
here
defend
my self
.
Lo.
c.
j.
You
have
not
offered
any
Witness
to
impeach
Mr.
Masters
credit
.
Coll.
Mr.
Masters
discourse
He
speaks
of
was
in
Mr.
Charltons
Shop
,
I
durst
have
appealed
to
him
about
it
,
for
I
know
if
he
were
here
he
would
do
me
right
.
Mr.
Masters
did
say
the
Parliament
cut
off
the
late
Kings
Head
.
We
held
a
dispute
upon
that
which
I
was
not
willing
to
enter
into
;
I
said
they
did
not
,
and
we
did
then
dispute
whether
they
began
the
War
against
His
Majesty
:
I
said
they
did
not
that
I
knew
of
,
neither
were
they
the
persons
,
but
the
Papists
that
began
that
War
,
and
that
broke
off
the
Ereaty
at
Uxbridge
,
and
that
the
Papists
carryed
it
on
to
that
sad
issue
,
and
put
it
upon
the
Protestants
,
that
they
had
the
odium
of
it
,
but
it
was
another
sort
of
men
that
carryed
it
on
.
I
said
that
I
did
always
understand
that
Parliament
to
be
an
honest
Parliament
,
that
minded
the
true
interest
of
the
Nation
,
and
much
of
the
same
opinion
with
the
Parliament
that
sate
last
at
Westminster
.
But
before
I
said
this
,
I
said
they
were
persons
altogether
innocent
of
the
Kings
murder
,
and
raising
the
War
against
the
King
,
I
did
always
understand
that
so
the
Parliament
in
40
were
.
L.
c.
j.
But
they
were
guilty
of
a
Rebellion
,
and
are
declared
so
by
Act
of
Parliament
since
His
Majesty
came
in
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
am
unacquainted
with
the
Law
,
I
speak
only
my
own
sense
of
it
.
And
my
Lord
,
I
did
excuse
them
as
to
the
murder
of
the
King
,
and
the
beginning
of
the
War
,
that
according
to
my
understanding
they
were
not
guilty
of
it
,
and
from
thence
I
did
maintain
they
were
an
honest
good
Parliament
,
and
much
of
opinion
with
the
Parliament
that
sat
last
at
Westminster
,
which
was
for
the
true
interest
of
the
Nation
.
L.
c.
j.
And
was
that
the
true
Interest
of
the
Nation
,
to
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
?
Coll.
I
did
argue
that
with
him
some
time
,
and
I
did
tell
him
that
it
was
the
Papists
that
did
all
the
mischief
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
But
he
says
no
,
upon
his
Oath
,
that
when
he
had
said
,
the
Parliament
begun
the
Rebellion
,
and
the
Parliament
did
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
,
you
said
the
Parliament
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
for
,
and
the
Parliament
that
sat
last
at
Westminster
was
of
the
same
mind
.
L.
c.
j.
Those
were
his
words
.
Coll.
Pray
let
him
be
called
again
.
Lo.
c.
just
.
Let
Mr.
Masters
stand
up
again
.
Coll.
Pray
Sir
relate
the
whole
discourse
that
passed
between
you
and
I
,
whether
I
did
not
argue
with
you
it
was
not
the
Parliament
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
,
nor
begun
the
war
,
but
the
Papists
.
Mr.
Mast
.
No
,
you
did
not
say
any
such
thing
.
We
had
a
great
deal
of
discourse
in
the
shop
,
and
under
the
Arch
,
and
the
thing
that
was
said
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
was
this
.
You
did
say
to
me
that
you
did
justifie
the
late
long
Parliament
of
40.
and
then
proceedings
,
and
you
said
they
were
a
Parliament
that
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
for
:
said
I
,
how
can
you
be
so
impudent
to
say
so
,
when
they
raised
the
Rebellion
against
the
King
and
cut
off
his
Head
:
said
he
again
,
they
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
for
,
and
the
Parliament
that
sat
last
at
Westminster
were
of
the
same
opinion
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
I
did
you
no
wrong
in
repeating
the
Evidence
,
you
see
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Coll.
Did
I
not
first
dispute
with
you
that
,
they
did
not
begin
the
War
,
nor
cut
off
the
King
,
but
the
Papists
did
it
.
Mr.
Mast
.
Look
you
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
would
have
had
it
the
King
began
the
War
.
Coll.
Don't
you
say
so
,
for
I
said
the
Papists
began
the
War
.
Sir
say
no
more
to
me
than
what
you
will
answer
to
God
Almighty
;
for
I
always
said
the
Papists
did
all
the
mischief
in
the
late
times
:
and
I
wonder
Sir
you
would
not
be
so
just
to
His
Majesty
as
to
detect
me
for
what
I
said
then
,
if
you
did
apprehend
it
to
be
as
you
now
say
;
but
I
am
sure
you
did
not
nor
could
not
.
Mr.
Mast
.
Mr.
Colledge
,
it
was
so
far
from
that
,
that
I
was
afraid
it
was
of
dangerous
consequence
,
and
I
gave
some
Persons
of
Honour
an
accompt
of
it
,
and
I
was
sent
to
but
on
Friday
last
,
to
know
what
it
was
was
said
,
and
I
was
desired
and
commanded
to
come
down
hither
.
Coll.
Pray
Mr.
Masters
,
you
are
upon
your
Oath
,
do
me
but
Justice
,
and
speak
upon
your
own
conscience
;
look
you
to
it
that
you
speak
the
truth
.
Mr.
Masters
.
I
will
do
you
all
the
right
I
can
in
the
world
.
Coll.
Then
before
the
Court
do
you
declare
whether
we
did
not
discourse
at
that
time
as
I
said
,
for
this
discourse
was
at
Mr.
Charltons
shop
at
the
further
end
.
Mr.
Masters
.
No
it
was
at
the
entrance
into
the
shop
,
Mr.
Colledge
;
and
did
not
we
go
into
the
Arch
and
talk
there
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
Mr.
Masters
don't
trouble
your self
,
your
Reputation
is
not
upon
the
level
with
that
Gentlemans
.
Coll.
I
desire
he
may
speak
the
very
truth
,
and
nothing
but
the
truth
.
Mr.
Masters
.
I
do
as
near
as
I
can
,
and
do
you
no
wrong
;
you
did
not
in
your
discourse
say
the
Parliament
did
not
begin
the
War
,
nor
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
.
Coll.
You
did
say
to
me
they
did
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
,
and
I
told
you
no
,
the
Papists
did
.
Mr.
Masters
.
I
think
you
did
say
that
the
Papists
had
an
Hand
in
it
;
but
,
Sir
,
you
have
left
out
the
most
material
part
of
our
discourse
,
which
was
,
that
you
said
they
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
for
.
Coll.
I
do
say
,
and
it
was
my
sense
always
,
that
the
Parliament
did
not
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
,
for
they
were
long
out
of
doors
before
that
came
to
pass
,
and
a
new
unhappy
War
was
begun
.
L.
c.
j.
The
War
was
a
Rebellion
on
the
Parliaments
part
,
let
us
not
mince
the
matter
,
and
so
it
was
declared
by
Act
of
Parliament
;
and
if
you
argued
it
after
that
rate
,
it
shews
your
temper
,
and
that
you
are
a
very
ill
man
;
for
they
that
justifie
such
things
as
to
the
time
passed
;
would
lead
us
to
the
same
things
again
if
they
could
.
Therefore
don't
go
about
to
palliate
it
,
ad
faciendum
populum
here
,
't
is
nothing
to
the
matter
,
but
only
to
shew
your
principles
,
and
the
Jury
have
heard
what
Mr.
Masters
says
.
Colledge
.
I
was
then
a
child
,
and
do
not
know
all
the
passages
,
but
I
speak
my
sense
.
L.
c.
j.
You
should
not
have
justified
such
things
.
Mr.
ju
.
jones
.
Who
appointed
the
High
Court
of
Justice
that
tryed
the
King
and
condemned
him
but
the
Parliament
?
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
It
was
the
Garbage
of
that
Parliament
I
am
sure
,
that
is
the
Rump
,
but
they
called
themselves
the
Parliament
of
England
,
and
the
Parliament
it
was
that
begun
the
War
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
did
not
know
,
nor
don
't
know
that
it
is
proved
yet
,
that
the
Parliament
were
those
that
did
cut
off
the
Kings
Head
.
I
don't
know
,
Mr.
Masters
is
pleas'd
to
say
this
of
me
;
but
I
thought
no
evil
,
nor
did
he
understand
it
so
I
believe
at
that
time
,
for
he
did
not
seem
to
take
advantage
of
my
discourse
.
I
know
he
talked
violently
and
passionately
with
me
,
as
he
used
to
do
;
and
for
Mr.
Masters
to
say
this
of
me
now
,
is
a
great
unkindness
;
for
I
thought
he
was
so
much
a
Gentleman
,
that
if
I
had
spoken
any
thing
that
had
not
become
me
,
he
would
have
taken
notice
of
it
then
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
He
did
then
he
tells
you
.
Colledge
.
Had
I
known
of
it
,
I
am
sure
Mr.
Charleton
would
have
done
me
justice
,
and
set
things
right
;
but
this
I
say
,
I
did
first
excuse
the
Parliament
from
being
concerned
in
the
Murder
of
the
King
,
or
that
they
did
begin
the
War
,
but
the
Papists
did
it
:
if
it
were
otherwise
,
it
was
more
than
I
understood
;
and
after
that
I
said
,
I
thought
that
the
Parliament
that
sate
last
at
Westminster
,
did
stand
up
for
the
Peoples
Rights
,
after
the
same
manner
that
the
Parliament
in
40.
did
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
What
,
just
after
the
same
manner
,
in
raising
War
and
Rebellion
against
the
King
?
Coll.
After
I
had
discoursed
it
thus
,
my
Lord
,
as
I
told
you
,
it
could
not
be
understood
that
I
thought
that
Parliament
would
cut
off
the
King's
Head
:
And
therefore
you
that
are
my
Jury
,
pray
consider
,
and
take
it
all
together
,
there
could
be
no
such
meaning
made
of
my
words
;
for
I
did
not
conceive
that
that
Parliament
were
concerned
in
those
things
,
but
were
a
Parliament
that
stood
up
for
the
rights
of
the
people
:
Now
if
it
were
so
,
then
the
Parliament
at
Westminster
were
of
the
same
opinion
.
L.
c.
j.
I
tell
you
,
the
long
Parliaments
levying
War
,
is
declared
Rebellion
by
Act
of
Parliament
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
if
there
hath
been
an
Act
since
that
says
they
were
guilty
of
Rebellion
,
I
declare
it
't
is
more
than
ever
I
knew
before
.
This
is
the
first
time
that
ever
I
heard
of
it
.
Mr.
Serj.
jeff.
You
are
a
mighty
learned
Gentleman
to
talk
of
those
points
indeed
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
desire
to
know
whether
any
words
that
were
spoken
6
months
before
they
gave
in
their
Depositions
,
can
be
a
sufficient
Evidence
in
Law
against
me
now
.
L.
c.
j.
'T
is
upon
the
Act
of
the
13th
.
of
this
King
you
speak
.
Colledge
.
Yes
,
my
Lord
,
I
take
it
upon
that
Statute
.
L.
c.
j.
I
tell
you
,
as
to
that
part
of
the
Statute
which
concerns
Misdemeanors
,
there
is
a
particular
clause
for
prosecution
,
by
order
of
King
or
Council
;
but
as
to
that
part
of
the
Statute
that
concerns
Treason
,
it
must
be
prosecuted
within
six
months
,
and
the
Indictment
within
three
months
after
.
Coll.
What
Statute
is
this
Indictment
grounded
upon
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
All
Statutes
that
concern
Treason
.
L.
c.
j.
Upon
the
Statute
of
the
25
of
Edw.
3.
which
declares
the
Common-Law
,
and
the
Statute
of
the
13.
of
this
King
,
which
when
you
have
done
,
I
will
have
read
to
the
Jury
.
Coll.
Then
pray
,
my
Lord
,
let
me
ask
you
one
question
;
whether
the
Statute
of
the
25th
.
of
Edw.
3.
does
not
say
that
there
shall
be
two
positive
witnesses
to
Treason
?
Mr.
just.
jones
.
No
,
but
there
is
another
that
does
.
Coll.
I
am
ignorant
of
the
Law
,
and
therefore
I
ask
the
question
.
L.
c.
j.
Well
,
I
will
tell
you
,
there
must
be
two
witnesses
in
the
case
,
but
one
witness
to
one
fact
at
one
time
,
and
another
witness
to
another
fact
at
another
time
,
will
be
sufficient
Evidence
to
maintain
an
Indictment
of
Treason
;
this
was
told
you
in
the
morning
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
And
it
was
told
you
withal
,
that
it
was
the
resolution
of
all
the
Judges
in
the
case
of
my
Lord
Stafford
when
he
was
tryed
in
Parliament
.
Coll.
They
proved
fact
in
that
case
,
writing
of
Letters
,
and
offering
money
to
kill
the
King
;
but
nothing
of
fact
is
proved
against
me
,
but
riding
into
the
Countrey
with
Arms
that
I
had
three
years
before
.
L.
c.
Just.
We
will
read
the
Statute
of
the
13th
.
wherein
words
are
declared
to
be
Treason
Coll.
I
pray
it
may
be
read
,
if
you
please
.
(
Which
was
done
)
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
here
,
to
compass
or
imagine
the
imprisonment
of
the
King
,
and
to
express
it
by
malicious
and
advised
speaking
,
when
proved
by
two
lawful
witnesses
,
is
Treason
by
this
Act.
Colledge
.
Now
whether
you
will
distinguish
,
that
there
must
be
two
witnesses
to
distinct
places
or
times
,
or
whether
the
Statute
intends
two
witnesses
to
every
particular
fact
and
words
.
L.
c.
j.
We
told
you
our
opinion
before
,
that
one
witness
to
one
fact
,
and
another
to
another
of
the
same
Treason
,
was
sufficient
.
We
are
upon
our
Oaths
in
it
,
and
speak
not
our
own
opinions
,
but
what
hath
received
publick
resolution
in
cases
of
the
like
consequence
.
Coll.
What
lies
before
these
Gentlemen
of
the
Jury
,
as
done
at
Oxon.
't
is
but
upon
a
single
testimony
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
Nay
,
Mr.
Dugdale
and
Mr.
Turbervile
both
swear
the
same
thing
,
your
design
to
seize
the
King
at
Oxon.
And
it
would
be
the
difficultest
thing
in
the
world
to
prove
Treason
against
any
man
,
if
the
Law
were
not
so
,
and
a
man
might
commit
all
sorts
of
Treason
securely
;
for
to
be
sure
he
would
never
say
the
same
things
before
two
witnesses
in
one
time
,
and
the
King
would
be
in
no
sort
safe
;
for
there
would
never
be
two
witnesses
to
one
and
the
same
thing
:
but
that
hath
been
resolved
often
and
often
,
over
and
over
again
,
particularly
in
my
Lord
Stafford's
case
,
as
you
have
been
told
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
you
say
the
King
is
not
safe
upon
those
terms
,
and
no
private
man
is
safe
in
the
other
way
.
Mr.
just.
Levins
.
We
say
that
the
Law
is
so
,
and
there
is
good
reason
for
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
We
must
not
alter
nor
depart
from
the
allowed
received
Law
.
L.
c.
j.
I
say
the
thing
hath
been
considered
in
other
cases
,
and
the
Law
hath
been
adjudged
and
setled
.
It
was
so
resolved
in
my
Lord
Stafford's
case
,
when
the
Judges
,
by
the
command
of
the
Parliament
did
deliver
their
opinion
upon
that
point
moved
by
him
.
Coll.
There
is
nothing
of
Fact
proved
against
me
but
a
pair
of
Pistols
,
a
Sword
,
and
an
Horse
.
Lo.
c.
j.
We
have
told
you
the
Law
,
and
answered
your
question
.
Colledge
.
But
as
the
case
stands
,
if
that
be
the
law
,
all
society
and
conversation
must
be
ruined
by
it
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Pray
go
on
,
when
do
you
think
we
shall
have
done
else
?
Colledge
.
However
I
do
not
insist
upon
that
so
much
,
as
that
the
testimonies
and
oaths
of
these
men
are
altogether
invalidated
,
by
substantial
persons
that
have
here
testified
against
them
.
I
do
declare
upon
my
salvation
,
(
I
have
nothing
else
to
say
)
I
am
wholly
innocent
,
and
the
Jury
are
my
Judges
;
and
I
beseech
them
,
as
they
will
answer
me
at
the
great
day
of
Judgment
,
where
they
must
appear
as
sure
as
I
stand
at
this
Bar
now
,
that
they
do
me
right
,
and
go
according
to
their
own
consciences
;
for
if
a
man
shall
be
sworn
against
by
such
fellows
as
these
are
,
no
man
is
safe
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
The
worse
,
the
better
to
be
trusted
by
you
.
Colledge
.
I
am
sure
it
cannot
be
thought
by
men
of
common
reason
,
that
I
should
speak
Treason
at
that
rate
that
they
have
sworn
,
and
to
such
men
,
men
of
their
profession
,
Irishmen
,
and
Papists
,
Traytors
,
that
have
declared
they
have
been
in
all
manner
of
Rogueries
,
Murders
,
Plots
,
and
Treasons
.
Therefore
,
my
Lord
,
I
cannot
do
any
more
for
my self
,
because
I
have
no
notes
,
and
cannot
recite
what
hath
been
said
for
me
,
or
against
me
,
but
I
do
depend
upon
your
Lordship
,
and
I
hope
you
will
inform
the
Jury
rightly
,
and
do
me
justice
;
and
I
do
pray
the
Jury
that
they
let
their
consciences
be
satisfied
,
as
they
are
English-men
,
and
as
they
are
Christians
,
to
consider
how
the
case
lyes
with
me
,
whether
there
has
not
been
more
occasion
of
talking
of
late
,
and
whether
a
slip
of
the
tongue
may
be
called
a
premeditated
,
malicious
,
advised
speaking
,
I
mean
my
discourse
with
Mr.
Masters
.
He
talked
with
me
as
hot
as
fire
,
he
was
so
violent
,
and
I
did
discourse
him
at
that
rate
I
have
told
you
,
and
that
is
truth
,
as
I
have
a
Soul
to
be
saved
:
I
did
excuse
the
Parliament
,
that
as
I
understood
it
,
they
had
no
hand
in
the
beginning
of
the
War
,
or
the
murder
of
the
King
.
My
Lord
,
as
for
the
rest
that
have
sworn
against
me
so
desperately
,
I
must
say
,
that
if
the
Jury
did
not
as
well
consider
my
Evidence
as
theirs
,
yet
they
might
well
consider
,
whether
it
consists
with
common
sense
and
reason
,
that
I
should
speak
to
these
men
after
this
rate
,
when
I
could
lay
no
obligation
upon
them
,
nor
have
any
confidence
in
them
;
necessitous
persons
,
that
could
not
assist
me
one
mite
,
men
that
were
beholding
to
me
to
borrow
money
of
me
,
and
that
eat
of
my
cost
,
that
I
had
always
been
obliging
to
,
and
not
they
to
me
.
But
I
hope
I
need
insist
upon
this
no
further
,
the
whole
Nation
is
sensible
what
is
doing
,
and
what
this
does
signifie
:
They
have
begun
with
me
,
in
order
to
the
making
of
a
Presbyterian
Plot
,
which
they
would
carry
on
to
stifle
the
noise
of
the
Popish
Plot
;
and
this
is
not
the
1st
,
the
2d
.
nor
the
10th
.
time
that
they
have
been
at
this
Game
;
how
many
Shams
have
they
endeavoured
to
raise
—
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Who
do
you
mean
by
they
?
Colledge
.
The
Papists
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
There
is
nothing
of
Popery
in
the
case
,
they
are
all
Protestants
.
Mr.
Just.
jones
.
They
are
all
persons
that
have
lately
receiv'd
the
Sacrament
.
Colledge
.
They
were
all
Papists
,
and
I
believe
are
so
still
;
for
Mr.
Dugdale
did
justifie
to
me
the
Church
of
Rome
in
several
things
:
And
when
I
told
him
that
they
were
all
Knaves
and
Fools
that
were
of
that
Religion
,
he
told
me
,
that
many
of
their
Priests
were
holy
good
men
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Have
you
proved
that
?
Coll.
I
can't
prove
it
,
it
was
betwixt
him
and
me
,
my
Lord
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
Then
I
hope
you
have
done
.
Coll.
If
I
had
sworn
against
him
,
he
had
stood
in
my
place
.
L.
c.
j.
Have
you
done
,
Mr.
Colledge
?
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
only
desire
the
Jury
to
take
all
into
their
serious
consideration
;
I
expect
a
storm
of
thunder
from
the
learned
Counsel
to
fall
upon
me
,
who
have
liberty
to
speak
,
and
being
learned
in
the
Law
,
understand
these
things
better
than
I
,
who
must
defend
my self
without
counsel
.
I
know
not
whether
it
be
the
practice
in
any
Nation
,
but
certainly
't
is
hard
measure
,
that
I
being
illiterate
and
ignorant
in
the
Law
,
must
stand
here
all
day
,
they
being
many
,
and
taking
all
advantages
against
me
▪
and
I
a
single
person
,
and
not
able
to
use
one
means
or
other
either
of
writing
or
speaking
.
But
Gentlemen
,
I
do
declare
and
protest
,
as
I
shall
answer
it
at
the
day
of
judgment
,
that
as
to
what
these
people
have
sworn
against
me
either
as
to
words
,
or
as
to
any
manner
of
Treason
against
the
King
,
the
Government
,
the
Laws
established
,
I
take
God
to
witness
I
am
as
innocent
as
any
person
upon
earth
.
And
therefore
I
must
beseech
you
be
not
frightened
nor
flattered
,
do
according
to
your
judgments
and
your
consciences
;
you
are
to
be
my
Judges
both
in
Law
and
Fact
;
you
are
to
acquit
me
,
or
to
condemn
me
,
and
my
blood
will
be
required
at
your
hands
.
And
whatsoever
is
said
to
you
by
others
,
you
are
my
true
Judges
,
you
must
give
an
account
of
the
Verdict
you
give
;
and
therefore
you
must
see
that
you
do
Justice
,
as
you
will
answer
it
at
another
Bar
,
where
you
must
all
certainly
appear
,
and
the
Lord
Almighty
direct
you
that
you
do
me
true
justice
,
and
I
ask
no
more
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
and
you
Gentlemen
of
the
Jury
.
Here
hath
been
a
great
deal
of
time
spent
,
and
truly
I
think
for
no
other
reason
but
to
divert
you
from
the
matter
that
is
before
you
,
and
that
you
might
forget
the
Evidence
that
hath
been
given
.
And
therefore
I
will
briefly
repeat
it
to
you
,
that
I
may
refresh
your
memories
about
what
hath
been
sworn
.
Gentlemen
,
the
Crime
charged
upon
Mr.
Colledge
is
High-Treason
,
in
imagining
and
compassing
the
death
of
the
King
;
the
proof
of
that
hath
been
by
a
conspiracy
to
seize
the
King
here
at
Oxon.
which
conspiracy
he
declared
he
was
in
,
by
shewing
Arms
prepared
for
that
purpose
,
and
by
coming
down
to
Oxon.
with
that
intent
;
this
is
the
proof
of
his
design
to
kill
the
King
.
Colledge
.
Is
the
conspiracy
proved
of
that
Mr.
Solicitor
?
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
.
We
have
had
a
great
deal
of
patience
with
you
,
you
have
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
,
you
must
contain
your self
now
,
and
let
them
go
on
.
Colledge
.
Do
not
let
him
do
me
wrong
,
my
Lord
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
I
will
do
you
no
wrong
,
Mr.
Colledge
.
Coll.
Sir
,
there
is
no
conspiracy
proved
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
you
have
taken
up
a
great
deal
of
time
,
and
we
have
had
much
patience
,
because
we
consider
your
condition
,
and
had
rather
hear
too
much
than
be
hard
upon
you
;
and
because
the
Evidence
was
long
and
difficult
to
repeat
,
now
we
have
heard
you
,
you
must
have
patience
to
hear
what
the
King's
Counsel
repeat
,
and
observe
upon
it
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
As
I
was
saying
the
fact
that
is
charged
upon
him
,
is
a
design
to
kill
the
King
,
the
manifestation
of
that
design
is
by
preparing
Arms
to
that
purpose
,
and
by
coming
down
to
Oxon.
to
seize
the
King
here
,
and
that
this
was
his
manifest
intent
to
seize
the
King
,
the
proof
of
it
hath
been
by
witnesses
,
that
I
think
by
and
by
you
will
have
no
objections
against
.
These
witnesses
were
Dugdale
,
Turbervile
,
Smith
and
Haynes
,
these
are
the
most
material
witnesses
to
the
Treason
;
there
are
two
other
witnesses
indeed
,
but
they
are
to
other
circumstantial
matters
that
I
will
take
notice
of
to
you
by
and
by
,
and
make
my
observations
upon
them
in
their
proper
place
.
Mr.
Dugdale
was
the
first
witness
that
was
produced
,
and
his
Evidence
is
very
full
,
he
proves
that
Mr.
Colledge
declared
to
him
at
the
Coffee-house
here
,
that
he
was
come
down
with
an
intent
to
seize
the
King
,
that
he
had
an
expectation
something
would
be
done
,
that
he
was
armed
,
and
that
he
did
advise
Mr.
Dugdale
to
be
armed
too
,
for
he
was
provided
for
the
rooting
out
of
Popery
,
which
he
explained
himself
what
he
meant
by
it
,
that
was
the
Church
of
England
,
and
the
King
and
all
his
Adherents
.
He
came
hither
armed
for
that
purpose
Gentlemen
,
and
did
advise
Mr.
Dugdale
to
arm
himself
too
,
that
he
did
declare
to
him
the
King
was
a
Papist
,
and
all
his
Family
were
Papists
,
He
was
as
deep
in
the
Plot
,
and
as
guilty
of
the
Murder
of
Sir
Edmundbury
Godfrey
as
any
body
else
.
This
was
what
he
declared
to
Dugdale
here
,
and
this
he
swore
to
you
when
he
gave
his
Evidence
.
The
next
Witness
is
Mr.
Turbervile
,
and
he
is
positive
to
the
matter
that
is
laid
in
the
Indictment
,
and
swears
to
you
expresly
,
that
he
did
declare
to
him
at
the
Chequer-Inn
,
that
they
came
down
here
in
expectation
of
some
sport
,
that
something
would
be
done
,
that
they
did
expect
the
King
would
begin
with
them
,
but
if
they
did
not
,
they
would
begin
with
him
,
and
they
would
secure
him
till
they
had
brought
him
to
a
complyance
.
He
shewed
him
his
Arms
,
that
he
was
ready
to
ingage
in
that
design
,
and
advised
Turbervile
to
be
ready
too
.
And
the
rather
than
Turbervile
should
not
be
ready
,
he
offered
to
procure
him
an
Horse
.
Colledge
.
Every
man
had
the
same
Arms
that
I
had
,
and
I
had
had
them
long
before
that
time
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
But
every
one
had
them
not
with
the
same
intent
,
but
Gentlemen
,
because
Mr.
Colledge
interrupts
me
with
an
Objection
,
I
will
take
notice
of
it
now
by
the
way
.
He
says
those
Arms
he
had
before
,
and
therefore
they
were
not
provided
for
this
purpose
,
Gentlemen
,
we
do
not
pretend
to
prove
when
his
trayterous
intent
first
began
,
and
how
long
this
Design
has
been
hatching
,
but
such
a
Design
there
was
,
and
such
a
Design
he
manifested
to
be
in
himself
when
he
made
the
Declaration
to
Turbervile
,
and
advised
him
to
arm
himself
,
whether
he
prepared
them
against
that
time
or
no
is
not
material
,
if
he
had
them
before
,
and
if
he
had
them
first
innocently
,
yet
if
he
afterwards
designed
them
for
such
a
purpose
,
and
shewed
them
in
a
readiness
for
it
,
that
is
a
sufficient
Evidence
to
prove
this
Treason
.
So
here
are
two
Witnesses
you
observe
against
the
Prisoner
of
this
matter
that
is
laid
against
him
in
the
Indictment
,
an
intent
to
kill
the
King
,
they
both
prove
it
positively
upon
him
at
Oxon.
Mr.
Dugdale
speaks
to
matters
precedent
to
,
for
he
tells
you
,
his
discourse
before
they
came
down
,
that
they
would
come
down
for
that
purpose
,
that
they
had
an
expectation
something
would
be
done
,
and
therefore
he
came
down
in
an
Equipage
not
suitable
to
his
profession
,
for
you
see
he
was
by
Trade
a
Carpenter
or
a
Joyner
,
but
armed
on
Horseback
with
a
case
of
Pistols
,
things
that
don't
become
such
men
to
travel
with
,
and
he
did
declare
to
Mr.
Dugdale
for
what
purpose
he
came
down
.
The
next
Witness
is
Mr.
Smith
,
and
Mr.
Smith
is
as
positive
and
full
to
this
matter
of
Treason
as
any
of
the
rest
.
Col.
There
is
scarce
a
Carpenter
or
a
Joyner
in
London
but
hath
Pistols
when
he
rides
.
L.
c.
j.
Mr.
Colledge
,
we
must
not
suffer
this
,
we
had
so
much
patience
with
you
that
we
expect
you
should
be
quiet
now
and
not
interrupt
the
Counsel
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
let
me
not
be
overborn
upon
,
there
is
sçarce
a
Poulterer
in
London
,
but
what
hath
Pistols
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
We
had
great
patience
with
you
Mr.
Colledge
,
and
did
not
interrupt
you
I
am
sure
,
but
let
you
say
what
you
would
.
I
think
I
do
you
no
wrong
,
if
I
do
,
I
am
under
correction
of
the
Court
,
they
will
reprove
me
if
I
do
that
which
does
not
become
me
.
Mr.
Att.
Gen.
Did
not
you
ramble
I
don't
know
how
,
and
yet
you
were
suffered
to
go
on
?
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
He
tells
you
of
a
discourse
as
he
came
from
the
Coffee-House
to
go
to
a
Dinner
whither
he
was
invited
by
Alderman
Wilcox
;
and
the
discourse
was
,
that
the
King
was
as
great
a
Papist
as
the
Duke
,
and
much
more
to
that
purpose
vilifying
the
King
.
The
Alderman
Wilcox
was
a
man
that
gave
money
to
buy
Arms
to
bring
the
King
to
submission
.
He
objects
against
this
,
and
says
,
't
is
impossible
such
a
discourse
should
be
,
and
that
all
this
should
be
talked
in
so
little
a
time
,
as
in
passing
from
the
Coffee-House
to
the
Crown
Tavern
without
Temple-Bar
.
Coll.
Pray
remember
whose
company
it
was
proved
I
went
in
,
Mr.
Solicitor
.
Mr.
Sol.
Gen.
But
Gentlemen
,
when
you
consider
,
how
busie
a
man
he
was
,
and
how
ready
at
talking
of
Treason
,
you
will
not
think
,
but
that
this
man
might
talk
much
more
than
this
;
but
this
I
mention
to
do
him
right
,
it
being
one
of
the
Arguments
he
used
;
and
to
give
an
answer
to
it
,
tho'
when
you
consider
it
,
I
believe
you
will
think
it
not
to
need
an
Answer
.
But
I
would
do
him
all
the
right
I
can
,
and
now
you
have
heard
it
,
you
will
consider
the
weight
of
it
.
Gentlemen
,
he
tells
you
of
another
discourse
afterwards
that
does
relate
to
his
being
here
at
Oxon.
he
tells
you
he
had
Arms
in
his
House
,
and
was
ready
upon
all
occasions
,
and
he
shew'd
Mr.
Smith
his
Arms
,
and
told
him
,
these
were
the
things
that
were
to
destroy
Rowley's
Guards
,
as
he
said
,
which
by
the
Evidence
is
made
to
appear
he
meant
the
King
by
that
name
,
his
Arms
he
said
were
for
that
purpose
.
That
he
would
go
down
to
Oxon.
and
there
he
expected
some
sport
,
I
know
not
what
sport
he
thinks
there
is
in
Rebellion
;
you
see
what
principles
he
is
of
,
that
does
maintain
and
justifie
the
greatest
and
horrid'st
Rebellion
that
ever
was
in
England
,
and
says
they
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
good
cause
for
.
He
tells
Smith
that
he
thought
the
King
would
seize
upon
some
Members
,
and
with
that
expectation
he
came
down
,
but
he
was
as
ready
as
the
King
,
and
would
be
one
in
the
securing
of
him
,
if
he
medled
with
any
of
the
Members
.
This
proof
Mr.
Smith
made
;
and
that
after
the
Parliament
was
dissolved
,
he
said
that
the
King
ran
away
,
and
was
very
much
afraid
.
This
is
proved
by
Smith
likewise
,
and
this
Colledge
did
declare
after
he
came
to
Town
.
Smith
proves
further
,
that
he
did
wonder
the
King
did
not
consider
how
easily
his
Fathers
Head
was
brought
to
the
Block
;
and
for
Mr.
Colledges
part
he
did
declare
,
that
he
did
believe
this
King
would
be
served
so
shortly
.
And
this
does
confirm
what
his
other
Witnesses
have
spoken
of
his
words
at
Oxon.
Thus
then
there
are
three
Witnesses
,
tho'
two
are
enough
to
convict
a
man
,
if
they
be
positive
to
the
Treason
.
Mr.
Haynes
.
is
the
4th
.
Witness
,
and
he
is
as
full
as
any
of
them
.
I
do
but
repeat
it
in
short
;
you
have
had
it
so
often
canvassed
by
Colledge
,
that
I
believe
you
will
easily
remember
it
.
He
did
advise
Haynes
that
he
should
not
value
the
King
at
all
,
for
the
King
should
be
called
to
account
for
all
his
Actions
;
he
said
he
would
seize
the
King
and
bring
him
to
the
Block
as
they
did
his
Father
,
with
an
undecent
expression
of
that
blessed
King
not
fit
to
be
repeated
.
And
he
said
,
they
did
intend
when
they
had
cut
off
him
,
never
any
more
of
his
Race
should
raign
;
this
it
was
Haynes
says
,
tho'
there
are
other
matters
.
I
would
take
notice
of
one
thing
more
,
and
I
need
not
but
mention
it
,
you
will
remember
it
,
and
that
is
about
the
Libel
of
Fitzharris
.
Haynes
tells
you
upon
discourse
of
that
Libel
,
he
said
,
that
every
word
of
it
was
true
,
as
sure
as
God
is
in
Heaven
.
Now
that
was
a
Libel
made
by
a
Papist
,
an
Irish
Papist
,
who
hath
been
tryed
,
convicted
and
executed
for
it
,
and
the
horrid'st
Libel
it
was
,
that
ever
was
Writ
.
And
this
is
the
Libel
which
this
Gentleman
,
who
is
so
very
conversant
in
Libels
,
and
Books
of
that
sort
,
avers
to
be
as
true
as
God
is
in
Heaven
.
This
is
the
substance
Gentlemen
of
that
proof
which
hath
been
made
to
you
;
we
have
other
circumstances
to
prove
,
that
as
he
came
down
with
that
intent
to
seize
the
King
,
and
as
he
expected
what
he
calls
some
sport
,
so
he
did
endeavour
to
begin
the
sport
,
he
did
quarrel
in
the
Lobby
of
the
House
of
Lords
with
Fitzgerald
,
some
blows
passed
,
and
Sir
William
Jennings
telling
him
his
Nose
bled
,
he
did
declare
,
I
have
lost
the
first
Blood
in
the
Cause
,
but
it
will
not
be
long
before
there
be
more
lost
.
Thus
after
he
had
come
down
,
he
endeavoured
to
begin
a
commotion
;
for
from
little
matters
great
things
do
sometimes
arise
,
and
when
all
men
were
possest
with
an
expectation
,
such
as
he
himself
did
declare
,
he
and
others
came
down
with
an
expectation
that
the
Parliament
should
be
attacked
;
a
little
matter
might
have
begun
such
a
commotion
which
no
man
knows
what
end
it
would
have
had
.
Gentlemen
,
this
hath
been
our
proof
.
Now
the
Objection
made
to
this
proof
by
Mr.
Colledge
is
,
That
this
is
a
Popish
design
to
raise
a
new
Plot
;
and
cast
it
upon
the
Protestants
,
and
that
these
Witnesses
are
now
to
deny
all
the
Evidence
they
have
given
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
throw
all
upon
the
Protestants
.
This
is
that
he
would
persuade
you
to
believe
,
but
which
I
think
when
you
do
consider
a
little
of
it
,
it
will
be
impossible
for
you
in
the
least
to
have
such
a
thought
.
For
what
are
the
Evidence
that
have
proved
this
?
who
are
they
?
men
of
credit
,
that
have
been
Evidences
against
the
Popish
Plotters
,
and
against
men
that
have
suffered
for
that
Plot
,
men
that
still
stand
to
the
Evidence
they
have
given
,
and
affirm
it
every
word
to
be
true
,
and
one
of
the
very
men
that
he
brought
says
,
that
they
still
stand
to
it
;
for
Turbervile
who
was
one
of
the
Witnesses
against
my
Lord
Stafford
was
tempted
by
some
persons
to
deny
the
Evidence
he
had
given
against
the
Papists
,
but
his
answer
was
,
no
,
I
can
never
depart
from
it
,
I
have
a
Soul
to
save
,
that
was
true
which
I
said
,
I
cannot
deny
it
.
If
then
the
Witnesses
which
he
would
have
you
believe
to
be
guilty
of
denying
the
Popish
Plot
,
do
confirm
what
they
have
said
as
to
that
discovery
,
that
objection
is
taken
off
,
and
they
do
stand
still
to
it
that
every
part
of
it
was
true
,
and
aver
the
same
thing
;
and
yet
forsooth
these
men
are
going
about
to
stifle
this
Plot.
Gentlemen
,
these
are
the
men
the
whole
nation
have
given
credit
to
,
the
Parliament
having
impeached
my
Lord
Stafford
upon
the
credit
of
them
,
(
for
it
was
upon
the
credit
of
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
that
they
impeached
him
,
for
there
was
not
two
witnesses
till
Turbervile
came
in
and
made
a
second
,
and
upon
their
credit
)
after
so
solemn
a
Tryal
,
where
all
the
objections
that
could
possibly
be
made
,
were
made
;
the
House
of
Lords
thought
fit
to
find
my
Lord
Stafford
guilty
,
and
my
Lord
Stafford
suffered
for
it
,
and
died
upon
the
credit
of
these
men
.
These
are
the
witnesses
,
Gentlemen
,
that
this
man
thinks
ought
to
be
blown
off
with
that
frivolous
objection
,
that
they
are
persons
he
would
have
you
believe
,
who
are
guilty
of
a
design
to
throw
the
Plot
upon
the
Protestants
.
But
because
he
hath
desired
to
save
himself
in
an
Herd
,
by
numbring
himself
amongst
the
Protestants
.
I
must
a
little
observe
to
you
what
a
sort
of
Protestant
he
is
,
a
man
he
would
have
you
to
believe
,
so
popular
for
his
Religion
,
that
he
hath
obtained
the
name
of
the
Protestant
Joyner
.
But
when
you
have
considered
what
his
actions
are
,
I
believe
you
will
a
little
suspect
his
Religion
.
If
the
Protestant
Religion
allow
any
man
to
vilifie
the
King
,
to
arraign
the
Government
,
and
to
throw
off
all
manner
of
allegiance
,
then
this
man
is
a
Protestant
:
but
if
this
be
to
act
the
part
of
a
Papist
,
and
if
the
Papists
could
wish
that
such
an
infamy
might
be
put
upon
the
Protestant
Religion
,
that
it
should
justifie
such
a
Rebellion
as
the
late
horrid
one
was
,
and
own
such
a
Principle
that
it
is
lawful
for
any
Subject
to
asperse
and
vilifie
the
King
,
as
this
man
by
those
many
and
scurrilous
Libels
seem
to
do
it
;
if
they
could
wish
this
Nation
overturned
,
and
the
Government
in
confusion
,
and
the
Church
of
England
destroyed
,
the
best
Bulwark
now
in
the
world
against
Propery
,
and
the
best
or
only
refuge
at
this
day
left
for
the
poor
afflicted
Protestants
abroad
.
Then
whilst
Mr.
Colledge
does
thus
act
the
part
of
a
Papist
,
he
does
very
ill
to
call
himself
a
Protestant
.
Gentlemen
,
I
cannot
but
observe
one
thing
to
you
,
and
it
was
the
Evidence
of
Dr.
Oates
,
when
he
did
first
discover
the
Plot
,
and
without
his
Evidence
you
would
easily
believe
the
thing
.
He
told
you
there
were
two
ways
they
had
to
accomplish
their
design
,
by
direct
murdering
of
the
King
,
or
if
that
failed
,
by
putting
all
things
into
confusion
here
,
and
raising
Rebellion
and
disturbance
amongst
us
,
and
the
way
to
effect
that
Rebellion
,
it
was
by
having
Emissaries
sent
among
us
,
to
work
us
into
a
dislike
of
the
Church
,
and
by
that
means
into
a
Rebellion
against
the
State
.
That
some
men
were
sent
abroad
for
that
purpose
to
preach
at
Conventicles
,
some
whereof
were
catched
,
and
some
did
suffer
.
Now
without
this
Evidence
it
would
not
be
hard
to
believe
that
such
there
are
,
and
have
been
;
for
all
that
know
the
History
of
our
Reformation
,
do
know
that
it
was
an
early
practice
among
them
,
to
raise
Sects
amongst
us
,
to
bring
confusion
first
into
the
Church
,
and
the●
in
the
State
.
And
we
have
already
found
the
sad
effects
of
it
.
Now
Gentlemen
,
if
Colledge
have
all
this
while
under
the
name
of
a
Protestant
acted
the
part
of
a
Papist
,
though
I
cannot
say
he
is
a
Papist
,
nor
that
he
is
one
of
those
Emissaries
,
yet
I
may
say
he
is
not
that
good
Protestant
he
pretends
to
be
.
Gentlemen
,
I
must
now
,
to
do
him
right
,
come
to
repeat
the
Evidence
that
he
hath
given
against
our
witnesses
;
for
Mr.
Haynes
he
hath
produced
several
witnesses
,
one
is
Mr.
Hickman
,
who
says
he
overheard
Haynes
say
to
one
that
was
his
Tenant
,
that
it
was
his
Trade
to
swear
,
and
he
must
get
money
by
it
.
This
●e
overheard
him
,
standing
and
listning
at
a
door
.
You
have
another
man
Lun
,
that
is
the
next
Witness
,
and
he
says
that
at
the
Fleet-ditch
,
where
he
saw
him
,
there
he
declared
the
same
thing
to
him
,
that
he
would
swear
any
thing
for
mony
,
and
dam
his
soul
rather
than
the
Catholick
Cause
should
sink
;
and
now
He
comes
to
prove
a
Plot
upon
him
that
is
a
Protestant
,
and
in
his
person
upon
all
the
Protestants
of
England
,
and
this
man
would
fain
throw
off
the
credit
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
turn
it
upon
the
Protestants
.
But
Gentlemen
it
is
strange
,
that
Mr.
Haynes
should
have
this
discourse
with
Lun
,
the
first
time
that
ever
he
saw
him
;
for
I
am
sure
his
own
Witness
Lun
says
it
was
the
first
time
,
and
that
he
should
immediately
talk
to
him
at
this
rate
is
somewhat
strange
:
But
for
an
Answer
to
it
,
this
Lun
we
have
confronted
with
the
Evidence
of
White
the
Messenger
,
who
swears
,
that
afterwards
meeting
him
at
Uxbridge
,
Lun
asked
him
what
Gentleman
that
was
,
and
did
not
know
Mr.
Haynes
,
and
yet
he
takes
upon
him
to
prove
,
that
he
had
spoke
such
words
to
him
before
.
I
think
there
is
never
another
material
Witness
against
Haynes
,
except
Whaley
,
who
was
an
under-Officer
in
the
Kings-Bench
;
and
he
says
,
that
Haynes
whilst
he
was
a
prisoner
there
ran
away
with
a
silver
Tankard
,
but
he
never
was
indicted
or
prosecuted
for
it
,
tho'
he
remained
afterwards
in
the
House
;
and
this
was
5
or
6
years
ago
.
Now
Gentlemen
,
I
think
the
nature
of
this
Evidence
hath
not
that
weight
,
as
to
take
off
the
credit
of
what
this
man
hath
said
upon
his
Oath
,
especially
when
this
mans
Evidence
is
so
backed
with
the
Evidence
of
other
men
,
that
I
think
there
is
no
Objection
at
all
against
it
.
For
the
other
Witnesses
,
Dugdale
,
Smith
and
Turbervile
,
are
men
whose
credit
has
not
been
impeached
,
and
they
have
confirmed
in
substance
what
the
Evidence
of
Haynes
is
;
so
that
he
does
not
stand
alone
in
what
he
here
swears
,
but
't
is
confirmed
with
concurrent
Evidence
with
it
.
Then
Gentlemen
,
for
the
Objection
against
Dugdale
,
Turbervile
and
Smith
,
they
produced
Dr.
Oates
to
you
,
and
he
must
vilifie
the
credit
of
those
men
,
whose
Testimony
,
as
to
what
he
gave
at
first
in
discovering
the
Popish
Plot
,
received
credit
by
being
seconded
by
these
men
.
And
I
cannot
but
observe
it
as
a
strange
thing
,
that
this
man
comes
now
to
vilifie
the
Testimony
of
those
,
who
have
given
Evidence
and
been
credited
by
the
whole
Kingdom
;
that
he
should
come
here
upon
the
word
of
a
Priest
to
declare
,
that
Mr.
Dugdale
was
a
man
of
very
lewd
conversation
,
and
was
a
person
that
had
a
foul
Disease
on
him
,
when
he
pretended
he
was
poysoned
.
I
remember
this
was
an
Objection
that
hath
been
made
by
the
Papists
to
him
,
and
I
believe
you
have
heard
it
often
out
of
their
mouths
;
but
it
is
the
first
time
that
ever
I
heard
it
from
any
one
that
is
a
Witness
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
and
pretends
to
stand
up
for
the
Protestant
Religion
.
Gentlemen
,
if
any
such
thing
as
this
could
have
been
made
out
against
him
,
it
had
been
made
out
e're
now
,
the
Papists
would
have
taken
advantage
of
it
;
and
when
the
Wit
of
all
that
party
was
bent
against
him
,
he
could
not
have
escaped
the
having
it
proved
,
if
it
had
been
true
,
yet
Dr.
Oates
takes
upon
him
now
to
vilifie
his
credit
,
and
takes
up
those
Arguments
the
Papists
have
maliciously
suggested
,
but
yet
were
never
able
to
make
out
.
This
looks
as
if
the
Doctor
were
again
returning
to
St.
Omers
,
that
he
is
thus
going
about
to
disparage
the
Evidence
of
Mr.
Dugdale
,
which
in
great
measure
verified
the
truth
of
that
Discovery
,
which
himself
first
made
of
the
Popish
Plot.
Against
Turbervile
,
Gentlemen
,
I
think
,
there
hath
been
very
little
at
all
objected
that
can
have
any
weight
with
you
.
Mr.
Broadgate
,
as
I
suppose
you
observe
,
has
said
enough
to
confirm
Turberviles
credit
;
for
he
hath
proved
to
you
,
that
when
he
was
tempted
to
renounce
his
Evidence
against
the
Papists
,
he
refused
to
do
it
,
he
had
more
conscience
than
to
do
it
,
he
knew
well
enough
what
he
said
was
true
,
and
as
he
had
a
Soul
to
save
,
he
could
not
go
from
it
.
This
is
the
Evidence
that
he
gives
,
and
which
certainly
serves
much
to
confirm
the
truth
of
Turbervile
,
besides
the
strict
Examination
he
hath
been
under
,
and
beyond
any
thing
that
Dr.
Oates
,
I
think
,
has
been
able
to
contradict
him
in
.
Dr.
Oates
contradicts
Smith
about
His
coming
from
the
Coffee-House
to
Wilcox's
Dinner
.
He
says
,
he
did
not
come
along
with
Mr.
Colledge
,
but
Colledge
came
along
with
Dr.
Oates
,
and
Smith
followed
them
.
But
,
Gentlemen
,
you
hear
what
Smith
has
declared
upon
his
Oath
,
that
they
came
both
together
out
of
the
Coffee-House
;
and
you
hear
what
His
Witness
Mr.
Smith
the
Counsellor
says
:
He
does
not
positively
remember
that
circumstance
,
yet
one
would
think
he
should
;
for
Oates
says
,
Mr.
Smith
the
Lawyer
walked
just
before
them
,
and
Colledge
followed
.
Mr.
Smith
that
is
the
Witness
for
the
King
,
He
swears
he
came
along
with
Colledge
,
but
Mr.
Smith
the
Lawyer
being
asked
that
Question
,
He
does
not
remember
that
.
Then
another
thing
is
,
Dr.
Oates
says
,
when
they
were
there
,
Colledge
was
so
far
from
discoursing
of
any
treasonable
matters
,
that
he
was
very
merry
in
the
company
,
and
talking
innocently
,
but
Mr.
Smith
says
,
He
was
so
far
from
being
merry
or
talking
Treason
,
that
he
fell
fast
asleep
,
and
slept
behind
the
Table
.
Gentlemen
,
these
Objections
you
see
what
the
weight
of
them
is
,
and
how
little
the
Evidence
agree
one
with
another
,
but
there
is
nothing
that
does
contradict
Mr.
Smith
in
his
main
Evidence
.
'T
is
possible
they
may
not
remember
particular
circumstances
,
whether
Mr.
Colledge
and
Mr.
Smith
came
together
,
so
they
might
come
together
for
ought
they
know
,
and
they
may
remember
any
circumstance
about
their
retiring
,
but
they
can't
take
upon
them
to
swear
it
is
not
so
,
and
their
not
remembring
it
does
not
prove
it
was
not
so
,
and
the
circumstance
it self
is
so
trivial
,
that
there
was
no
necessity
they
should
remember
it
.
So
then
no
Evidence
that
comes
from
Dr.
Oates
can
take
off
that
that
is
given
by
Smith
,
tho'
if
Mr.
Smith
were
out
of
the
Case
,
and
Mr.
Haynes
too
,
yet
there
is
Evidence
sufficient
from
Mr.
Dugdale
and
Mr.
Turbervile
,
who
are
not
impeached
,
and
are
both
to
the
Fact
and
to
the
place
.
There
are
two
Witnesses
more
that
I
must
mention
,
and
they
are
Bolron
and
Mowbray
;
They
swear
that
Smith
travelling
upon
the
Road
with
them
,
would
have
suborned
them
to
swear
against
John
Brooks
,
about
a
Discourse
at
some
place
;
but
it
happened
,
Gentlemen
,
they
differ
in
point
of
time
in
their
Testimony
,
the
one
said
it
was
the
25th
.
of
July
,
the
other
was
positive
it
was
the
3d.
of
August
.
But
I
think
I
need
say
no
more
of
these
men
,
but
only
to
desire
you
to
weigh
their
credit
.
Bolron
and
Mowbray
I
confess
have
been
Evidence
against
several
men
that
have
been
accused
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
but
they
have
been
so
unfortunte
,
as
never
to
gain
credit
with
any
Jury
.
Mr.
Smith
hath
been
believed
by
the
whole
Court
of
Parliament
;
but
if
there
were
no
more
in
the
case
,
these
are
two
men
that
never
were
yet
believed
,
men
that
have
been
sworn
in
their
own
Country
,
where
they
are
well
known
,
and
been
Evidence
upon
Tryals
,
but
the
Jury
have
rejected
their
Testimony
:
But
besides
that
,
comparing
the
Testimonies
,
and
the
difference
that
was
between
them
,
is
a
sufficient
Evidence
to
confront
all
that
they
have
said
.
I
think
,
Gentlemen
,
this
is
the
substance
of
what
has
been
offered
by
his
Witnesses
against
the
Witnesses
produced
for
the
King
,
except
that
of
Mr.
Everard
,
who
says
something
against
Haynes
,
that
Haynes
should
say
he
swore
for
Self-preservation
;
and
against
Smith
he
says
,
that
he
heard
him
say
,
he
did
not
know
of
any
Presbyterian
Plot.
I
believe
that
may
be
true
,
and
yet
it
does
not
contradict
Smiths
Evidence
against
Colledge
;
for
Mr.
Smith
does
not
tell
you
,
that
he
is
privy
to
any
such
Design
of
the
Presbyterians
,
that
he
knows
of
any
Consultations
that
they
held
,
or
the
ways
and
means
by
which
they
would
arive
at
the
Treason
charged
upon
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
but
his
Evidence
is
,
that
this
man
declared
there
was
such
a
Design
,
that
there
was
a
party
would
do
it
,
and
that
he
would
be
sure
to
be
one
,
and
armed
himself
for
that
purpose
;
but
his
not
being
privy
to
any
Plot
,
or
knowing
the
particulars
,
is
no
contradiction
to
what
he
said
.
This
is
that
he
has
produced
for
his
Defence
,
and
by
these
things
he
has
endeavoured
to
take
off
the
credit
of
our
Witnesses
,
and
he
would
have
you
believe
that
he
is
a
very
good
Protestant
though
he
does
that
which
no
Protestant
would
do
,
and
which
is
the
Papists
work
;
he
has
produced
you
Witnesses
that
he
has
gone
to
Church
,
but
I
do
not
see
he
has
produced
any
Witnesses
at
all
that
are
now
conversant
with
him
,
his
own
Parishioners
in
London
;
but
if
he
had
brought
never
so
many
Witnesses
of
his
going
to
Church
,
and
of
his
conformableness
to
the
Church
,
yet
if
he
were
guilty
of
these
practices
,
he
must
give
me
leave
to
suspect
the
Truth
of
his
Profession
;
and
I
think
it
a
great
piece
of
arrogance
for
him
to
take
upon
him
the
Title
of
a
Protestant
,
when
he
has
abused
that
Title
by
such
unsuitable
practices
:
And
,
Gentlemen
,
if
such
practices
as
these
are
,
which
we
have
fully
proved
,
are
such
as
all
good
men
must
abhor
,
I
cannot
but
reflect
upon
the
condition
of
this
man
,
whose
only
Hopes
is
,
that
you
should
now
forget
your selves
&
become
as
ill
as
he
is
.
But
as
that
cannot
be
presumed
,
so
I
shall
not
need
to
say
any
more
to
you
;
you
are
men
of
that
consideration
that
can
judge
between
things
,
and
the
appearances
of
them
,
and
know
very
well
how
to
give
the
due
weight
to
the
Evidence
we
have
given
to
you
,
as
well
as
the
Objections
made
by
the
Prisoner
;
and
so
Gentlemen
I
shall
leave
it
to
you
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
May
it
please
your
Lordship
,
and
you
Gentlemen
of
the
Jury
;
It
has
been
a
long
time
that
has
been
spent
in
the
course
of
this
Evidence
;
whether
there
has
been
Art
or
Design
in
protracting
the
time
,
on
purpose
to
obtrude
upon
the
patience
of
the
Court
,
or
that
you
Gentlemen
should
forget
the
force
of
the
Evidence
that
has
been
given
against
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
when
there
has
been
so
much
time
taken
up
unnecessarily
,
when
there
was
no
occasion
,
as
I
must
needs
say
,
there
was
not
for
such
a
tedious
Defence
,
I
leave
it
to
you
to
determine
:
But
that
which
was
truly
intimated
by
the
Court
at
the
beginning
of
the
Tryal
,
must
at
the
end
of
this
Cause
be
repeated
,
and
indeed
go
through
it
all
,
that
we
of
the
Kings
Counsel
,
and
what
the
Prisoner
has
affirmed
,
that
has
not
been
given
in
proof
,
signifying
nothing
,
and
is
not
to
be
any
guide
at
all
to
you
.
You
are
upon
your
Oaths
,
and
by
the
Oath
you
have
taken
you
are
bound
in
conscience
to
give
a
Verdict
according
to
the
Evidence
that
has
been
given
to
you
,
and
that
is
your
guide
;
so
that
what
we
opened
and
have
not
proved
,
is
no
more
to
be
believed
than
what
the
Prisoner
has
said
for
himself
in
his
own
Defence
;
and
whatsoever
he
says
,
if
he
make
not
god
proof
of
it
,
is
no
more
to
be
regarded
,
than
what
we
who
are
for
the
King
have
alledged
,
and
not
made
out
.
So
then
this
being
in
the
first
place
premised
,
I
shall
take
care
as
near
as
I
can
to
save
time
of
the
Court
,
and
not
to
trespass
on
your
patience
Gentlemen
unnecessarily
,
in
a
Case
whereupon
as
great
a
concern
does
depend
,
as
perhaps
ever
came
to
Tryal
at
any
Bar
:
For
I
say
't
is
a
Case
wherein
the
Life
and
the
Liberty
of
the
King
is
concerned
,
and
that
is
the
great
concern
of
the
Nation
;
the
Religion
of
the
Nation
is
concerned
;
I
would
be
understood
aright
,
I
mean
the
Protestant
Religion
established
by
Law
;
for
I
know
no
other
Religion
men
ought
to
sacrifice
their
Lives
and
Fortunes
for
,
but
the
Protestant
Religion
established
by
Law
;
and
when
these
things
are
concerned
,
't
is
a
Case
of
great
consequence
:
God
forbid
any
person
,
Protestant
or
other
,
should
attempt
the
Life
of
the
King
,
and
the
Subversion
of
our
Religion
,
and
by
stiling
themselves
by
the
Name
of
Protestants
,
should
excuse
themselves
from
any
such
crimes
.
For
the
Evidence
that
has
been
given
,
I
shall
not
enumerate
the
particulars
against
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
other
than
such
as
have
been
omitted
,
(
if
I
mistake
not
)
by
Mr.
Sollicitor
.
In
the
first
place
are
the
things
that
hapned
at
Oxon.
for
you
have
had
it
already
sufficiently
told
you
by
my
Lords
the
Judges
who
are
upon
the
Bench
,
and
who
(
under
Mr.
Colledges
favour
)
are
the
Prisoners
Judges
in
point
of
Law
,
as
you
are
in
point
of
Fact
.
They
have
(
I
say
)
already
told
you
what
the
Law
is
in
relation
to
Treasons
;
that
in
case
the
Treason
be
in
two
Counties
,
if
the
Witnesses
speak
to
the
self
same
Treason
,
tho'
to
different
Facts
,
that
will
be
two
Witnesses
to
prove
High-Treason
;
and
that
there
has
been
such
a
Case
,
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
who
he
says
is
a
Protestant
(
for
his
own
Souls
sake
I
wish
he
were
a
good
one
)
must
take
notice
,
that
Gavan
the
great
Priest
who
was
tryed
at
Newgate
,
and
convicted
,
by
what
Evidence
?
by
one
of
them
that
is
a
Witness
now
against
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
that
is
Dugdale
,
his
Treason
was
committed
part
in
London
,
part
in
the
Country
,
of
which
part
Dugdale
gave
Evidence
;
but
being
both
to
the
self
same
purpose
,
by
the
greater
part
of
the
Judges
,
who
were
in
the
Commission
,
and
present
at
the
Tryal
,
they
were
reckoned
a
sufficient-Testimony
to
prove
him
guilty
of
High
Treason
:
And
I
hope
we
do
not
live
to
that
age
,
that
any
Protestant
whatsoever
should
come
to
trip
up
the
heels
of
the
Popish
Plot
,
by
saying
that
any
of
them
who
suffered
for
it
,
did
dye
contrary
to
Law
,
or
without
sufficient
proof
:
for
if
Mr.
Dugdale
was
not
a
person
fit
to
be
believed
,
or
if
the
rest
of
the
Judges
who
tryed
Gavan
were
out
in
the
Law
,
then
that
man
died
wrongfully
;
for
he
had
as
much
right
to
have
been
tryed
according
to
the
Law
,
as
any
other
person
whatsoever
.
Therefore
,
Gentlemen
,
as
to
that
matter
,
we
must
submit
it
to
my
Lords
the
Judges
,
who
are
to
give
you
an
account
what
the
Law
is
in
all
its
particulars
before
you
;
but
as
to
the
Fact
whereof
you
are
Judges
,
that
is
the
great
matter
we
shall
apply
our selves
to
,
and
for
that
it
stands
thus
.
Here
is
Dugdale
that
does
give
you
an
account
what
his
design
was
in
coming
to
Oxford
;
how
he
came
to
be
armed
as
an
Index
(
Gentleman
)
of
his
mind
.
And
pray
give
me
leave
to
put
you
in
mind
of
one
thing
.
You
have
first
a
Libel
produced
,
and
read
to
you
;
a
pretended
Letter
,
wherein
there
are
Queries
that
have
been
taken
notice
of
,
and
which
seem
to
back
the
Evidence
given
by
Mr.
Masters
;
for
there
is
a
vindication
in
those
Queries
of
the
proceedings
of
that
Parliament
of
41.
which
he
has
confidence
enough
now
at
the
Bar
to
justifie
too
.
But
Gentlemen
,
you
were
told
by
the
Court
,
and
you
know
it
,
that
that
Parliament
was
guilty
of
High
Rebellion
:
And
even
in
those
Queries
he
asperses
not
only
the
Government
,
but
every
man
that
has
any
concern
in
it
;
for
it
takes
notice
not
only
of
the
King
,
but
of
all
his
Council
:
never
a
Judge
nor
an
Officer
in
the
Nation
but
is
traduced
by
it
;
and
which
is
most
material
,
it
was
the
foundation
of
that
Libel
which
has
been
mentioned
to
you
,
and
which
Fitz-Harris
was
so
justly
condemned
and
executed
for
,
that
most
traiterous
and
infamous
Libel
in
part
of
it
has
these
Queries
,
and
a
great
Paragraph
of
this
Libel
makes
up
part
of
that
Libel
of
Fitz-Harris
,
which
our
witnesses
say
Mr.
Colledge
was
pleased
to
affirm
was
as
true
as
God
is
in
Heaven
.
Another
thing
is
this
;
this
Gentleman
,
whose
proper
business
it
had
been
no
manage
his
employment
at
London
for
a
Joyner
,
is
best
seen
in
his
proper
place
,
using
the
proper
Tools
of
his
Trade
.
I
think
it
had
been
much
more
proper
for
him
,
and
I
believe
you
will
think
so
too
,
than
to
come
with
Pistols
and
all
those
Accoutrements
about
him
,
to
be
regulating
of
the
Government
:
what
have
such
people
to
do
to
interfere
with
the
business
of
the
Government
?
God
be
thanked
,
we
have
a
wise
Prince
,
and
God
be
thanked
he
hath
wise
Counsellors
about
him
,
and
He
and
they
know
well
enough
how
to
do
their
own
business
,
and
not
to
need
the
advice
of
a
Joyner
,
though
he
calls
himself
the
Protestant
Joyner
.
What
had
he
to
do
to
engage
himself
before
his
advice
was
required
?
How
comes
he
to
concern
himself
so
much
,
that
after
he
had
writ
this
Libel
,
wherein
he
is
pleased
to
take
notice
of
Tyrants
,
afterwards
should
go
to
make
a
Print
,
I
mean
the
Raree-Shew
;
and
when
Dugdale
comes
to
enquire
of
him
,
what
do
you
mean
by
such
a
thing
,
the
Tyrant
shall
go
down
?
Says
he
,
I
mean
by
that
the
King
.
And
what
do
you
mean
by
having
them
go
to
Breda
?
Why
there
he
explains
it
,
that
he
puts
all
the
Government
,
the
Lords
and
the
Bishops
upon
the
Kings
back
;
and
being
asked
what
he
meant
to
have
done
with
them
?
Why
the
Bishops
and
the
King
,
and
all
were
to
go
to
Breda
.
These
are
the
things
that
himself
did
acknowledge
he
was
the
Author
of
,
and
these
Prints
he
did
cause
to
be
made
,
and
he
is
the
person
that
gives
you
an
account
,
that
it
was
but
the
conception
and
imagination
of
Dugdale
,
that
Rowley
meant
the
King
;
but
Dugdale
being
called
again
,
He
tells
you
after
some
time
,
that
he
was
under
some
difficulty
to
know
the
meaning
of
it
;
and
then
Colledge
tells
him
it
was
meant
the
King
,
and
so
he
expounded
it
to
him
.
And
so
Smith
tells
you
of
that
same
name
of
Old
Rowley
again
.
Gentlemen
,
thus
I
tell
you
what
hath
been
omitted
.
The
Evidence
hath
been
long
,
and
therefore
we
must
be
pardoned
if
we
can't
exactly
repeat
it
.
This
is
the
Evidence
that
was
done
at
Oxon.
the
next
is
Mr.
Smith
,
who
speaks
of
what
was
done
in
London
,
and
he
is
an
Evidence
both
as
to
the
word
Rowley
,
as
to
the
coming
with
Arms
,
and
as
to
the
declaring
to
what
end
he
came
,
and
what
he
had
done
:
Mr.
Haynes
he
tells
you
both
before
and
after
the
same
,
and
that
I
must
take
notice
of
to
you
,
Mr.
Smith
does
particularly
say
he
used
those
words
,
which
I
hope
every
Honest
man
,
and
every
good
man
,
that
desires
to
preserve
the
Government
according
to
Law
,
will
hear
with
the
greatest
detestation
and
abhorrence
:
He
talked
of
the
taking
away
the
life
of
the
late
King
of
blessed
memory
at
such
an
impudent
rate
,
that
every
true
Protestants
blood
would
curdle
at
the
hearing
of
it
.
And
this
he
said
not
only
to
Mr.
Masters
,
but
he
justified
it
to
Mr.
Smith
too
.
In
the
next
place
you
have
Turbervile
,
who
gives
you
all
the
reasons
,
how
he
did
not
only
tell
of
these
things
Himself
,
but
encouraged
Him
to
prepare
Himself
accordingly
,
and
he
gave
Him
a
mark
,
a
Ribbon
,
with
No
Popery
,
no
Slavery
.
These
were
marks
whereby
they
were
to
be
known
,
and
they
were
to
be
one
and
all
,
as
they
call
it
,
that
when
such
a
blow
was
struck
,
they
should
be
ready
to
fall
in
.
There
is
one
thing
more
that
I
take
notice
of
,
that
is
,
what
was
said
by
a
Gentleman
,
Sir
William
Jennings
,
which
is
a
confirmation
of
all
the
other
Evidence
;
that
Gentleman
who
hath
appeared
to
you
to
be
a
man
of
Honour
even
by
the
confession
of
Mr.
Colledge
Himself
,
and
by
his
own
words
;
for
he
said
like
an
Honest
man
,
and
like
a
Loyal
man
too
,
that
He
would
rather
engage
Himself
in
three
dangers
for
the
Service
of
the
King
at
Sea
,
than
come
in
cold
blood
to
give
Evidence
against
a
man
for
his
life
at
the
Bar.
And
yet
this
man
who
tells
you
this
of
Himself
,
and
that
very
person
whom
Colledge
Himself
calls
a
worthy
person
,
hath
given
you
this
account
,
that
when
he
told
him
his
nose
bled
,
He
answered
him
,
It
was
the
first
blood
lost
in
the
Cause
,
but
it
would
not
be
long
e're
there
was
more
lost
;
an
excellent
cause
for
a
man
to
venture
his
blood
in
.
When
he
was
told
of
this
,
he
began
to
put
it
off
,
and
to
use
his
own
words
,
had
a
great
mind
to
sham
off
the
business
,
but
in
truth
there
was
no
answer
given
to
it
.
Gentlemen
,
the
objections
that
have
been
made
against
the
Evidence
that
have
not
been
taken
notice
of
,
I
desire
to
take
notice
of
:
I
think
against
three
of
them
there
has
been
only
Mr.
Oates
,
and
Mr.
Oates
I
confess
has
said
in
verbo
Sacerdotis
strange
things
against
Dugdale
,
Smith
,
and
Turbervile
.
I
have
only
the
affirmation
of
Mr.
Oates
,
and
as
ill
men
may
become
good
men
,
so
may
good
men
become
ill
men
;
or
otherwise
I
know
not
what
would
become
of
some
part
of
Mr.
Oates's
testimony
.
And
in
the
next
place
,
if
these
men
have
not
sworn
true
,
I
am
sure
Mr.
Oates
must
stand
alone
in
the
greatest
point
,
in
which
all
the
Evidence
agree
,
that
is
the
Popish
Plot.
But
Gentlemen
,
I
must
take
notice
to
you
,
that
it
is
strange
to
me
,
that
ever
you
upon
your
consciences
should
perjure
three
men
,
who
positively
upon
their
Oaths
deny
any
such
discourses
as
Mr.
Oates
speaks
of
against
them
:
I
do
put
that
upon
your
consciences
,
whether
you
upon
the
bare
affirmation
of
Mr.
Oates
in
this
place
,
will
convict
three
men
,
upon
whose
testimony
the
lives
of
so
many
as
have
suffered
,
have
been
taken
away
,
and
as
we
Protestants
do
believe
justly
.
I
say
,
whether
you
will
do
it
upon
the
bare
affirmation
of
Mr.
Oates
against
their
Oaths
.
In
the
next
place
,
Gentlemen
,
I
must
tell
you
,
besides
the
positive
Evidence
of
these
Gentlemen
,
there
is
a
circumstance
of
improbability
in
the
very
words
which
he
speaks
of
:
Will
any
man
tell
me
,
that
after
such
time
as
men
have
given
their
Oaths
,
as
Smith
had
given
his
that
he
was
concerned
,
and
so
had
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
too
,
that
these
men
should
come
and
voluntarily
tell
Mr.
Oates
they
were
all
forsworn
;
are
these
men
such
great
Coxcombs
as
he
would
have
us
;
to
believe
?
Is
it
so
probable
a
thing
,
that
any
men
of
common
knowledge
would
do
it
?
Do
you
think
a
man
of
that
knowledge
and
consideration
,
as
Smith
is
an
allowed
Scholar
,
and
a
man
of
known
Learning
;
and
Mr.
Dugdale
,
who
has
been
reckoned
by
all
men
to
be
a
good
Evidence
;
do
you
take
these
men
to
be
such
absolute
Novices
,
that
they
must
seek
an
occasion
to
tell
him
they
were
bribed
off
,
and
were
forsworn
?
If
you
can
think
this
,
and
if
a
bare
affirmation
against
these
positive
Oaths
can
prevail
;
Gentlemen
,
upon
your
consciences
be
it
.
In
the
next
place
,
't
is
a
strange
sort
of
thing
to
believe
that
Mr.
Smith
should
come
out
of
a
Coffee-House
,
where
a
quarrel
is
pretended
to
have
been
between
him
and
Colledge
,
but
Mr.
Smith
does
upon
his
Oath
say
he
never
had
any
such
quarrel
with
him
,
and
that
he
should
fall
a
damning
and
sinking
against
Colledge
,
and
against
the
Gospel
;
that
there
should
be
such
impudence
in
the
world
in
any
man
as
to
desire
or
wish
such
a
thing
!
Gentlemen
,
these
are
strange
sorts
of
apprehensions
,
and
men
must
have
very
strange
thoughts
,
that
can
strain
themselves
up
to
the
belief
of
them
.
In
the
next
place
here
it
is
said
by
the
Prisoner
,
Good
Lord
!
what
a
condition
we
shall
be
in
!
Here
is
a
Plot
put
upon
the
Protestants
,
I
hope
in
God
there
is
no
Protestant
Plot
,
but
I
also
hope
the
whole
interest
of
the
Protestant
Religion
is
not
involved
in
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
and
all
will
be
destroyed
,
if
Mr.
Colledge
dies
for
his
Treasons
.
Gentlemen
,
the
question
is
not
whether
there
be
a
Presbyterian
▪
or
Protestant
Plot
,
we
declare
we
know
of
none
,
but
whether
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
have
spoken
such
words
,
and
done
such
things
as
are
sworn
against
him
.
And
I
would
fain
know
what
all
the
discourses
we
have
had
about
Irish
witnesses
and
Papists
signifie
,
when
in
all
the
course
of
our
Evidence
,
there
has
been
but
one
Irish
,
and
never
a
Papist
.
But
here
have
been
great
discourses
about
Macnamarra
and
Dennis
,
and
what
it
hath
been
for
,
but
to
make
a
noise
,
and
raise
a
dust
,
I
can't
tell
;
for
in
this
cause
there
has
not
been
one
Irish-man
besides
Haynes
,
and
never
a
Papist
throughout
the
whole
Evidence
:
So
that
it
is
easie
,
if
men
think
it
will
take
with
the
Auditory
,
for
a
person
to
cry
out
,
Oh
Lord
!
we
are
all
like
to
be
undone
,
here
are
Irish
Witnesses
brought
against
us
;
and
after
all
this
stir
,
there
is
but
one
Irish
Witness
,
and
never
a
Papist
.
And
as
for
him
,
truly
Gentlemen
I
must
take
notice
,
that
even
Colledge
himself
,
till
such
time
as
he
was
taken
,
reckoned
him
an
Honest
man
.
Colledge
.
Never
in
my
life
.
Mr.
Serj.
Jeff.
It
was
so
said
.
But
I
do
say
Gentlemen
,
suppose
(
which
I
do
not
admit
)
that
the
Irishman
he
speaks
of
be
out
of
the
Case
,
not
that
the
Country
is
an
objection
against
any
mans
testimony
,
God
forbid
it
should
be
so
affirmed
;
for
truth
is
not
confined
to
places
,
nor
to
persons
neither
,
but
applyed
to
all
honest
men
,
be
they
Irish-men
or
others
:
But
I
say
,
set
Mr.
Haynes
out
of
the
case
,
suppose
there
was
no
such
man
as
Haynes
in
this
case
,
yet
I
must
tell
you
,
Gentlemen
,
you
have
as
great
a
proof
as
possibly
can
be
.
In
the
next
place
,
I
must
take
notice
to
you
of
some
account
that
hath
been
given
of
him
by
himself
:
It
is
wonderful
strange
,
when
there
was
that
kindness
of
intimation
given
by
the
Court
,
that
he
should
do
well
to
prove
his
Loyalty
,
as
well
as
his
Religion
,
that
he
did
not
produce
some
of
his
later
acquaintance
.
If
this
man
that
makes
himself
a
Protestant
,
would
have
it
believed
he
is
such
,
I
wish
he
would
have
brought
some
of
those
men
that
knew
him
at
London
to
give
you
some
account
of
him
,
and
not
to
stretch
backward
sixteen
years
to
prove
his
Birth
and
Education
;
that
is
not
the
best
account
sure
a
man
can
give
of
himself
,
to
say
after
he
hath
been
talking
at
this
disloyal
rate
,
that
he
is
a
good
Protestant
,
because
he
was
thought
so
18
years
ago
.
Again
in
the
next
place
,
here
is
an
account
of
the
Libels
given
by
the
old
woman
that
is
his
Sister
:
Truly
she
would
have
it
,
and
that
is
another
Libel
at
the
Bar
,
as
though
the
man
in
the
Red
Coat
,
with
R.
C.
upon
it
,
had
dropped
this
kind
of
Libel
in
his
House
,
and
so
he
or
somebody
else
put
a
trick
upon
him
;
and
because
she
would
inveigle
you
to
such
an
interpretation
,
she
says
that
they
staid
behind
till
the
man
in
the
Red
Coat
had
fetched
away
the
shavings
,
and
so
here
is
a
new
Sham
Plot
to
be
put
upon
the
Prisoner
,
by
dropping
papers
in
his
House
;
a
pretty
kind
of
insinuation
.
But
Gentlemen
,
against
the
Evidence
of
this
Woman
,
you
have
the
very
person
that
was
there
,
the
Officer
,
who
swears
that
he
and
his
Fellows
came
before
the
Waterman
into
the
House
:
But
I
suppose
you
observe
how
that
notable
talking
maid
and
she
does
agree
;
for
the
maid
tells
you
there
came
a
strange
Fellow
seven
weeks
before
,
delivered
these
things
into
her
hands
,
her
Master
was
abroad
,
and
she
was
not
to
enquire
whence
they
came
,
or
what
they
were
,
but
paid
him
six
pence
for
bringing
those
things
.
Now
't
is
very
strange
that
the
Maid
should
pay
for
the
bringing
of
those
things
,
and
yet
after
that
should
imagine
that
somebody
else
should
put
them
there
.
But
now
Gentlemen
,
in
the
next
place
,
I
must
tell
you
another
thing
,
which
I
would
beg
you
to
take
notice
of
:
Here
are
two
Gentlemen
,
Mr.
Bolron
and
Mr.
Mowbray
,
and
they
have
given
you
an
account
that
they
have
been
Evidence
against
the
Papists
,
they
did
well
in
it
;
but
it
hath
been
their
misfortune
hitherto
they
have
not
been
believed
;
but
whether
they
have
been
believed
or
not
before
,
is
no
guidance
to
you
at
this
time
;
but
that
which
is
to
guide
you
is
,
whether
or
not
they
have
given
you
now
a
testimony
that
you
in
your
own
Consciences
can
believe
.
Now
can
you
believe
what
they
have
said
,
nay
can
you
probably
believe
it
without
any
circumstance
to
confirm
it
,
against
those
express
objections
that
arise
from
themselves
,
and
against
the
Oath
of
the
person
,
when
the
one
tells
you
so
exactly
of
the
twenty
fifth
,
twenty
sixth
,
twenty
seventh
,
and
twenty
eighth
of
July
,
and
the
other
tells
you
that
Smith
took
Post
,
and
yet
overtook
them
not
till
the
Sunday
after
,
which
was
the
third
of
August
;
and
when
the
Almanack
is
produced
,
it
was
so
far
from
making
out
what
they
spake
of
to
be
the
same
time
,
that
whereas
one
said
he
came
to
London
the
twenty
eighth
,
the
others
Almanack
says
it
was
the
27th
.
then
pray
how
do
these
persons
agree
,
when
the
one
says
that
Mr.
Smith
talked
with
him
upon
the
road
the
28th
.
and
the
other
says
that
they
came
to
London
the
27th
.
These
are
circumstances
,
Gentlemen
,
that
you
must
weigh
,
and
you
may
bring
the
North
and
the
South
together
as
soon
as
their
two
testimonies
,
they
are
so
far
asunder
.
Besides
,
Gentlemen
,
I
hope
you
take
notice
of
a
person
that
was
sworn
,
a
person
of
some
quality
,
a
Scholar
in
the
University
here
,
that
says
Balron
(
though
he
denied
it
)
did
shew
one
of
these
Pictures
,
and
did
discover
they
were
Mr.
Colledges
;
and
Balron
himself
,
his
own
witness
,
tells
you
that
he
did
acknowledge
one
of
those
Pictures
was
his
.
It
appears
then
how
busie
he
was
,
and
concerned
himself
in
what
belonged
not
to
his
Profession
.
So
that
upon
the
whole
matter
,
after
this
long
Evidence
that
hath
been
given
,
I
must
wholly
appeal
to
your
Lordship
and
the
Jury
;
as
to
the
Law
,
to
your
Lordship
and
the
Court
;
and
as
to
the
Fact
,
to
the
Jury
:
for
I
do
not
desire
any
sort
of
Evidence
should
be
strained
against
a
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
,
who
is
there
to
be
tried
for
his
life
.
God
forbid
if
he
be
innocent
,
but
he
should
be
acquitted
;
but
on
the
other
side
,
consider
the
murder
of
that
great
King
of
ever
blessed
memory
is
before
you
,
and
remember
that
base
reflection
which
the
witnesses
tell
you
of
upon
that
horrid
action
;
and
as
a
great
Evidence
,
remember
that
seeming
vindication
of
it
at
the
Bar
,
which
certainly
no
English-man
,
no
Protestant
according
to
the
Church
of
England
,
can
hear
without
having
his
blood
stirred
in
him
.
And
these
things
are
not
only
testified
by
Dugdale
and
Smith
,
but
by
Gentlemen
of
known
reputation
and
quality
;
and
he
hath
a
little
discover'd
himself
by
that
defence
he
hath
made
against
their
testimony
.
But
know
,
Gentlemen
,
that
the
King
is
concerned
,
your
Religion
is
concerned
,
that
Plot
that
is
so
much
agreed
to
by
all
Protestants
is
concerned
;
for
if
Dugdale
,
Smith
and
Turbervile
be
not
to
be
believed
,
you
trip
up
the
heels
of
all
the
Evidence
and
discovery
of
that
Plot.
Then
I
will
conclude
to
you
,
Gentlemen
,
and
appeal
to
your
consciences
,
for
according
to
the
Oath
that
has
been
given
to
you
,
you
are
bound
in
your
consciences
to
go
according
to
your
Evidence
,
and
are
neither
to
be
inveigled
by
us
beyond
our
proof
,
nor
to
be
guided
by
your
commiseration
to
the
Prisoner
at
the
Bar
against
the
proof
;
for
as
God
will
call
you
to
an
account
if
you
do
an
injury
to
him
,
so
will
the
same
God
call
you
to
account
if
you
do
it
to
your
King
,
to
your
Religion
,
and
to
your
own
Souls
.
Lo.
ch.
just
.
Gentlemen
,
I
shall
detain
you
but
a
little
,
and
shall
be
as
short
as
I
can
,
for
your
patience
has
been
much
exercised
already
:
It
is
a
burden
,
and
a
necessary
one
that
lies
upon
us
all
,
for
there
is
nothing
more
necessary
than
that
such
Tryals
as
these
should
be
intire
and
publick
,
intire
for
the
dispatch
of
them
,
and
publick
for
the
satisfaction
of
the
world
,
that
it
may
appear
no
man
receives
his
Condemnation
without
Evidence
,
and
that
no
man
is
acquitted
against
Evidence
.
Gentlemen
,
there
are
these
two
considerations
in
all
Cases
of
this
nature
;
the
one
is
,
the
Force
of
the
Evidence
;
the
other
is
,
the
Truth
of
the
Evidence
.
As
to
the
Force
of
the
Evidence
,
that
is
a
point
in
Law
that
belongs
to
the
Court
,
and
wherein
the
Court
is
to
direct
you
;
as
to
the
Truth
of
the
Evidence
,
that
is
a
question
in
Fact
arising
from
the
Witnesses
,
&
must
be
left
upon
them
,
whereof
you
are
the
proper
Judges
.
As
to
the
Force
of
the
Evidence
in
this
case
,
it
must
be
consider'd
what
the
Charge
is
;
it
is
the
compassing
the
Death
of
the
King
,
and
conspiring
to
seize
the
Person
of
the
King
,
which
is
the
same
thing
in
effect
;
for
even
by
the
Common
Law
,
or
upon
the
interpretation
of
the
Statute
of
the
25.
of
Edw.
3.
that
mentions
compassing
the
Death
of
the
King
to
be
Treason
,
it
has
always
been
resolved
,
that
whosoever
shall
imagine
to
depose
the
King
,
or
imprison
the
King
,
are
guilty
of
imagining
the
Death
of
the
King
;
for
they
are
things
that
depend
one
upon
another
:
and
never
was
any
King
deposed
or
imprisoned
,
but
with
an
intention
to
be
put
to
death
,
they
are
in
consequences
the
same
thing
.
Now
Gentlemen
,
in
cases
of
Treason
the
Law
is
so
tender
of
the
Life
of
the
King
,
that
the
very
imagination
of
the
Heart
is
Treason
,
if
there
be
any
thought
concerning
any
such
thing
;
but
then
it
must
be
manifested
by
some
Overt-act
,
upon
the
Statute
of
the
25.
of
Edw.
3.
but
upon
the
Statute
of
the
13.
of
this
King
,
made
for
the
Preservation
of
the
Kings
Person
,
if
it
be
manifested
by
malicious
and
advised
speaking
,
't
is
sufficient
.
This
is
as
to
the
Charge
,
and
as
to
the
Law
concerning
that
Charge
,
I
must
tell
you
there
must
be
two
Witnesses
in
the
case
.
Now
then
for
the
Force
of
the
Evidence
,
the
question
will
arise
there
,
whether
this
Evidence
,
admitting
it
to
be
true
,
is
sufficient
to
maintain
the
Indictment
;
so
that
if
there
be
two
Witnesses
,
you
must
find
him
Guilty
.
Now
as
to
this
,
Gentlemen
,
the
Prisoner
has
before-hand
called
upon
the
Court
,
and
had
their
resolution
;
and
I
hope
you
will
remember
what
hath
been
said
,
and
I
shall
have
occasion
to
trouble
you
the
less
.
There
have
been
six
Witnesses
produced
for
the
King
;
there
are
two
of
them
,
Sir
William
Jennings
and
Mr.
Masters
,
that
are
some
way
applicable
to
the
Case
,
though
they
do
not
go
to
the
Treason
,
they
are
only
to
infer
the
probability
of
the
Treason
.
This
of
Sir
William
Jennings
was
upon
the
occasion
of
the
bleeding
of
the
Prisoners
Nose
,
after
his
quarrel
with
Fitz-Gerald
,
when
he
said
,
He
had
lost
the
first
bloud
,
and
it
would
not
be
long
e're
there
would
be
more
lost
;
which
shews
there
were
some
extraordinary
thoughts
in
his
Heart
concerning
some
divisions
,
quarrels
,
and
fighting
that
he
expected
should
be
.
That
which
Mr.
Masters
has
said
,
(
besides
what
he
offered
concerning
his
Principles
in
justifying
the
Long
Parliament
)
was
this
,
that
when
he
called
him
Colonel
,
Marry
mock
not
,
said
he
,
I
may
be
a
Colonel
in
time
;
that
shews
some
extraordinary
thoughts
were
in
his
Heart
.
Coll.
Will
not
that
bear
a
more
favourable
interpretation
,
my
Lord
?
Must
that
necessarily
follow
upon
my
saying
,
I
might
be
a
Colonel
in
time
,
and
that
more
bloud
would
be
lost
?
if
I
had
expressed
it
so
.
L.
c.
j.
I
say
you
had
some
extraordinary
thoughts
in
your
Heart
.
Coll.
I
am
,
sure
,
the
fittest
to
explain
my
own
thoughts
.
L.
c.
j.
You
would
have
done
well
to
have
explained
it
which
way
you
expected
to
be
a
Colonel
.
Coll.
It
was
not
an
expectation
,
for
a
may
be
,
may
not
be
;
my
word
was
,
mocking
is
catching
:
I
thought
he
had
called
me
Cozen.
L.
c.
j.
Well
Gentlemen
,
these
are
Witnesses
I
say
that
go
not
to
the
Treason
,
but
only
relate
and
reflect
somewhat
to
shew
there
were
thoughts
in
his
Heart
,
but
no
body
could
tell
what
they
were
,
or
know
what
he
meant
by
them
.
Coll.
Then
always
they
are
to
be
taken
in
the
best
sence
.
L.
c.
j.
For
the
other
Witnesses
,
Stephen
Dugdale
,
John
Smith
,
Bryan
Haynes
,
and
Edward
Turbervile
,
they
are
all
of
them
,
taking
what
they
say
to
be
true
,
very
full
Witnesses
.
The
Prisoner
hath
objected
as
to
two
of
them
,
because
they
speak
to
nothing
that
was
done
in
Oxfordshire
,
but
Turbervile
and
Dugdale
they
speak
to
what
was
said
in
Oxfordshire
.
Now
for
that
I
must
tell
you
,
If
you
believe
any
one
of
these
Witnesses
,
as
to
what
was
said
in
Oxford
,
and
any
of
them
as
to
what
was
said
in
London
,
relating
to
the
same
Fact
of
Treason
,
they
will
be
two
good
Witnesses
to
maintain
the
Indictment
,
tho'
the
one
is
in
the
one
County
,
and
the
other
in
another
;
for
if
a
Treason
be
committed
in
two
Counties
,
it
is
in
the
Kings
Election
where
he
will
exhibit
the
Indictment
,
and
the
Evidence
from
both
Counties
is
good
Evidence
;
that
I
take
for
Law
,
and
these
four
Witnesses
,
with
that
consideration
that
they
are
true
,
as
I
think
are
full
Witnesses
to
maintain
this
Indictment
.
Why
then
the
next
Head
is
concerning
the
Truth
of
this
Evidence
,
of
which
you
are
to
be
Judges
,
and
you
are
the
proper
Judges
whether
the
Witnesses
speak
true
or
no
;
therefore
you
must
have
your
own
Consciences
to
direct
you
in
that
case
,
and
what
I
shall
say
about
them
,
shall
be
only
for
your
Assistance
.
Gentlemen
,
I
shall
not
take
upon
me
to
repeat
the
Evidence
to
you
,
it
has
been
long
;
and
for
me
to
speak
out
of
memory
,
I
had
rather
you
should
recur
to
your
own
Memories
,
and
your
own
Notes
:
only
I
shall
say
something
in
general
to
contract
your
consideration
of
it
.
And
as
I
told
you
at
first
,
you
must
mind
nothing
of
what
the
Kings
Counsel
said
,
for
nothing
must
have
impression
upon
you
,
but
what
they
proved
;
So
you
are
not
to
consider
any
thing
of
the
Facts
the
Prisoner
spake
of
,
that
are
not
proved
neither
;
For
common
Justice
is
concerned
in
it
,
and
no
Justice
can
be
done
at
that
rate
,
if
the
Prisoners
own
Affirmations
or
Purgation
should
be
taken
.
No
man
ever
can
be
accused
but
he
will
be
ready
to
say
he
is
innocent
,
and
say
as
flourishing
and
popular
things
as
ever
he
can
for
himself
.
And
therefore
these
things
must
not
weigh
with
you
further
,
than
as
what
is
said
,
argues
upon
the
Proofs
you
have
had
.
And
you
are
to
consider
upon
the
Proofs
what
the
Prisoner
has
produced
,
not
what
he
says
on
the
other
side
,
for
the
Proofs
you
have
heard
a
great
many
Witnesses
in
general
produced
by
him
,
that
say
he
was
bred
a
Protestant
,
and
has
been
an
honest
man
,
that
they
knew
no
ill
by
him
,
that
will
be
of
little
weight
in
a
case
of
this
consideration
;
for
unless
he
were
a
man
that
had
committed
Treason
to
the
knowledge
of
all
the
world
,
there
is
no
man
but
can
produce
Witnesses
that
know
no
ill
of
him
,
nor
any
Treason
,
nor
Harm
in
him
,
therefore
the
Question
wiill
lye
upon
the
credit
of
the
Witnesses
produced
for
the
King
barely
,
and
that
will
be
the
consideration
you
are
only
to
have
,
and
you
are
to
weigh
them
in
the
Ballance
against
the
Witnesses
produced
against
them
.
Now
Gentlemen
,
for
these
Witnesses
I
shall
not
repeat
them
to
you
,
but
only
this
I
shall
observe
in
general
,
that
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
that
are
the
two
most
mateterial
Witnesses
relating
to
what
was
spoke
in
Oxfordshire
,
have
the
least
said
against
them
.
I
do
not
remember
,
I
profess
to
you
I
do
not
(
but
your
own
Notes
must
guide
you
)
that
there
was
any
very
material
thing
said
against
them
except
what
is
said
against
them
by
Dr.
Oates
,
and
Dr.
Oates
does
say
against
Smith
,
that
he
came
out
of
the
Coffee-House
,
and
swore
Dam
him
he
would
have
Colledges
Bloud
,
and
when
he
reproved
him
,
and
said
it
was
not
fit
for
a
Minister
of
the
Gospel
to
use
such
Expressions
,
he
said
God
damn
the
Gospel
,
if
that
be
true
't
is
a
great
Reflection
upon
the
credit
of
Smith
.
He
says
as
to
Dugdale
,
that
when
he
was
expostulating
with
him
about
his
Evidence
,
he
excused
himself
,
that
he
was
in
want
of
mony
,
and
was
pressed
to
it
,
and
being
asked
whether
he
was
pressed
to
swear
against
his
Conscience
,
he
said
yes
;
and
much
of
the
same
kind
he
says
as
to
Turbervile
,
that
he
said
He
was
disserted
and
would
not
starve
.
Now
all
these
three
Witnesses
being
called
upon
their
Oaths
deny
that
which
Dr.
Oates
testifies
.
Now
if
it
were
in
an
indifferent
and
probable
matter
to
have
three
men
condemned
,
and
set
aside
by
the
Testimony
of
one
is
not
equal
,
unless
the
man
were
of
mighty
extraordinary
credit
,
and
his
Testimony
of
more
than
ordinary
weight
.
But
then
I
must
tell
you
this
matter
is
very
improbable
,
that
after
Witnesses
had
sworn
a
thing
they
should
voluntarily
acknowledge
themselves
to
be
forsworn
,
and
that
without
any
Provocation
,
they
should
at
several
times
come
to
this
one
man
and
declare
themselves
Rogues
and
Villaines
,
but
if
it
were
probable
,
here
are
three
mens
Oaths
against
one
mans
Affirmation
,
this
I
say
as
to
what
concerns
Dugdale
and
Turbervile
,
I
do
not
see
any
thing
material
against
them
,
besides
now
if
you
believe
them
,
they
are
two
Witnesses
to
the
full
matter
of
the
Indictment
,
and
two
Witnesses
to
what
was
done
in
Oxfordshire
,
and
that
satisfies
all
the
considerations
of
Law
.
As
to
the
rest
of
the
Witnesses
,
Bryan
Haynes
and
John
Smith
,
you
have
had
many
Witnesses
produced
against
them
,
I
shall
not
undertake
to
repeat
the
Evidence
,
't
is
your
place
and
duty
to
weigh
their
Testimony
,
and
I
shall
leave
it
to
your
consideration
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
I
shall
add
nothing
to
what
my
Lord
hath
said
,
nor
indeed
can
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
wish
you
would
look
upon
your
Notes
,
you
would
then
find
there
was
much
more
Evidence
,
that
you
have
not
repeated
against
Turbervile
and
Dugdale
,
besides
what
your
Lordship
urged
.
L.
c.
j.
If
there
be
,
I
refer
it
to
the
memory
of
the
Jury
,
I
can
remember
no
more
.
Colledge
.
I
desire
nothing
but
Justice
,
and
true
Justice
.
L.
c.
j.
I
am
sure
I
design
nothing
else
,
you
are
a
stranger
to
me
,
I
believe
I
have
seen
your
face
,
but
I
never
knew
you
by
name
till
now
.
Look
you
,
if
the
Jury
be
like
to
stay
,
they
may
take
something
to
refresh
themselves
at
the
Bar
before
they
go
.
Colledge
.
My
Lord
,
I
did
see
when
the
Bill
was
brought
against
my
Lord
Howard
,
Mr.
Attorney
General
and
Mr.
Sollicitor
were
an
hour
and
half
with
the
Grand
Jury
.
Mr.
Ser.
jeff.
You
must
say
nothing
now
my
Lord
has
given
the
Charge
.
Col.
Let
me
have
justice
done
my
Lord
,
that
's
all
I
crave
,
that
none
may
be
with
the
Jury
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
Mr.
Colledge
,
they
might
be
with
the
Grand
Jury
,
but
as
to
the
Petty
Jury
there
shall
be
a
Bayliff
sworn
,
and
neither
Mr.
Attorney
,
nor
Mr.
Sollicitor
,
nor
any
body
else
shall
come
to
them
till
they
be
agreed
of
their
Verdict
.
Mr.
just.
jones
.
If
that
be
the
thing
you
ask
,
you
shall
have
it
according
to
the
Law
.
Colledge
.
And
any
Friend
of
mine
may
be
by
.
L.
c.
j.
There
shall
be
an
Officer
sworn
to
keep
them
.
Then
the
Court
called
for
two
Bottles
of
Sack
,
which
the
Jury
divided
among
themselves
at
the
Bar
,
for
their
Refreshment
,
in
the
presence
of
the
Prisoner
.
After
which
a
Bayliff
Was
sworn
,
and
the
Jury
withdrawing
to
consider
of
their
Verdict
,
the
Court
adjourned
for
half
an
hour
,
and
when
they
returned
,
Proclamation
being
made
for
attendance
,
the
Court
sent
to
see
whether
the
Jury
were
agreed
,
who
immediately
came
in
to
Court
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Gentlemen
,
are
you
agreed
of
your
Verdict
?
Omn.
Yes
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Who
shall
say
for
you
?
Omn.
Foreman
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Stephen
Colledge
,
Hold
up
thy
Hand
,
look
upon
him
you
of
the
Jury
:
How
say
you
,
is
he
Guilty
of
the
High
Treason
,
whereof
he
stands
indicted
,
or
not
Guilty
?
Foreman
.
Guilty
.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Look
to
him
Gaoler
,
he
is
found
Guilty
of
High
Treason
;
what
Goods
,
&c.
At
which
there
was
a
great
shout
given
,
at
which
the
Court
being
offended
,
one
person
who
was
observed
by
the
Cryer
to
be
particularly
concerned
in
the
shout
,
was
committed
to
Gaol
for
that
night
,
but
the
next
morning
having
received
a
publick
reproof
,
was
discharged
without
Fees
.
Then
it
being
about
3
a
clock
in
the
morning
,
the
Court
adjourned
to
10.
at
which
hour
the
Court
being
sat
,
and
first
Mr.
Aaron
Smith
having
entred
into
Recognizance
of
500
l.
to
appear
the
first
day
of
the
next
Term
,
at
the
Court
of
Kings-Bench
.
Lo.
c.
j.
Where
is
the
Prisoner
Stephen
Colledge
?
Cl.
of
Cr.
Set
up
Stephen
Colledge
.
Then
the
Prisoner
was
brought
to
the
Bar.
Cl.
of
Cr.
Hearken
to
the
Court
and
hold
up
thy
Hand
;
Thou
hast
been
indicted
and
arraigned
of
High
Treason
,
and
for
thy
Tryal
hast
put
thy self
upon
thy
Country
,
and
they
have
found
thee
Guilty
,
what
canst
thou
say
for
thy self
,
why
the
Court
should
not
give
Judgment
on
thee
to
dye
according
to
the
Law
.
Coll.
My
Lord
,
I
have
nothing
more
to
offer
,
but
only
that
I
am
innocent
of
what
is
laid
to
my
charge
;
I
think
it
was
severe
againste
me
,
now
contrary
to
what
was
sworn
at
London
:
They
swear
now
,
I
was
to
seize
the
King
at
Oxford
.
In
London
they
swore
I
would
pluck
the
King
out
of
Whitehall
,
but
't
is
altered
since
,
and
now
't
is
to
seize
the
King
at
Oxford
,
but
be
it
either
one
or
t'other
(
for
the
one
is
as
true
as
the
other
)
I
am
wholly
innocent
of
either
,
I
never
had
such
a
thought
in
my
life
,
God
forgive
them
that
have
sworn
against
me
,
I
have
no
more
to
say
,
my
Lord
.
L.
c.
j.
Look
you
,
Mr.
Colledge
,
it
is
too
late
to
profess
your
innocence
,
you
have
been
tryed
and
found
guilty
;
but
because
you
say
it
now
,
't
is
necessary
for
me
to
say
something
in
vindication
of
the
Verdict
,
which
I
think
the
Court
were
all
very
well
satisfied
with
:
There
were
sufficient
proofs
to
warrant
it
,
and
the
Jury
did
according
to
justice
and
right
.
I
thought
it
was
a
case
,
that
as
you
made
your
own
defence
,
small
proof
would
serve
the
turn
to
make
any
one
believe
you
guilty
.
For
as
you
would
defend
your self
by
pretending
to
be
a
Protestant
.
It
is
wonder
,
I
must
confess
,
when
you
called
so
many
witnesses
to
your
Religion
and
Reputation
,
that
none
of
them
gave
an
account
that
they
saw
you
receive
the
Sacrament
within
these
many
years
,
or
any
of
them
particularly
had
seen
you
at
Church
in
many
years
,
or
what
kind
of
Protestant
you
were
.
If
we
look
to
your
words
and
actions
,
it
is
true
,
they
did
prove
this
,
that
you
were
mighty
violent
and
zealous
in
crying
out
against
Popery
,
and
the
Papists
;
but
if
we
look
to
your
actions
,
they
savoured
rather
to
promote
the
Papists
ends
.
For
I
must
tell
you
,
the
Papists
are
best
extirpated
and
suppressed
by
a
steady
prosecution
of
the
Laws
against
them
,
not
by
violent
crying
out
,
and
putting
the
people
into
fervent
heats
and
confusions
,
for
that
is
the
thing
the
Papists
aim
at
;
they
have
no
hopes
any
other
way
to
creep
into
the
Kingdom
but
by
confusion
,
and
after
the
Church
is
destroyed
,
that
is
,
under
God
,
the
best
Bulwark
against
them
.
But
you
that
cryed
so
loud
against
the
Papists
,
it
was
proved
here
who
you
called
Papists
.
You
had
the
boldness
to
say
that
the
King
was
a
Papist
,
the
Bishops
were
Papists
,
and
the
Church
of
England
were
Papists
.
If
these
be
the
Papists
you
cry
out
against
,
what
a
kind
of
Protestant
you
are
,
I
know
not
,
I
am
sure
you
can
be
no
good
one
.
But
truly
I
thought
you
would
have
made
better
proof
of
that
thing
,
when
you
called
so
manny
witnesses
to
that
purpose
:
And
then
if
we
look
to
your
Politicks
,
what
opinion
you
had
of
the
King
,
it
was
proved
by
your
discourse
,
and
by
witnesses
,
that
you
could
have
no
exception
to
their
testimony
,
that
you
did
justify
the
late
horrid
Rebellion
,
and
the
consequences
of
that
was
the
murder
of
the
best
King
in
the
world
,
that
you
should
go
to
justifie
the
proceedings
of
that
Parliament
,
and
affirm
that
they
did
nothing
but
what
they
had
just
cause
to
do
.
I
say
he
that
will
justifie
such
a
thing
,
if
there
were
the
same
circumstances
,
would
do
the
same
thing
again
.
Then
if
we
look
upon
another
part
of
your
defence
,
as
to
your
Arms
,
it
was
objected
you
went
armed
to
Oxon.
and
that
was
made
the
Evidence
of
the
Overt
Act
,
when
you
said
by
words
your
intentions
what
you
would
do
,
that
you
would
make
one
to
seize
the
King
,
that
you
did
go
armed
,
you
did
confess
.
I
expected
you
should
have
said
,
you
only
wore
those
things
for
your
own
defence
upon
the
road
,
as
a
Gentleman
travelling
,
or
went
with
your
friends
to
accompany
them
out
of
Town
,
and
defend
them
from
robbery
;
but
you
said
you
went
to
guard
the
Parliament
.
I
did
not
understand
what
you
meant
by
it
.
I
do
not
believe
the
Parliament
sent
for
any
Guard
,
or
intended
to
have
any
Guard
.
I
do
not
believe
that
any
of
them
in
their
hearts
thought
they
needed
a
Guard
;
for
I
believe
there
was
not
a
man
that
had
any
thing
that
looked
like
that
,
for
any
thing
of
that
nature
.
For
we
saw
,
that
when
the
King
by
the
necessity
of
his
affairs
,
when
the
two
Houses
differed
so
much
,
was
pleased
to
dismiss
them
;
they
all
departed
quietly
,
not
a
man
was
seen
to
be
disturbed
;
there
was
no
appearance
of
any
such
thing
,
and
how
it
should
come
●nto
your
head
,
that
were
but
a
private
man
,
to
go
to
guard
the
Parliament
,
I
much
wonder
▪
Suppose
all
men
of
your
condition
should
have
gone
to
have
guarded
the
Parliament
,
what
an
Assembly
had
there
been
?
what
a
bustle
might
they
have
made
,
and
what
confusion
might
there
have
been
on
a
sudden
?
And
though
you
say
you
are
no
man
of
quality
,
nor
likely
to
be
able
to
do
any
thing
upon
the
Kings
Guards
;
or
the
Kings
person
▪
yet
if
all
of
your
quality
had
gone
upon
the
same
design
that
you
did
,
what
ill
consequences
might
have
been
of
it
?
We
see
what
has
been
done
by
Massianello
a
mean
man
in
another
Countrey
,
what
by
Wat
Tyler
and
Jack
Straw
in
this
Kingdom
?
I
confess
I
know
not
what
you
meant
by
it
,
but
very
ill
things
might
have
hapned
upon
it
.
So
that
these
things
when
I
look
upon
them
▪
and
consider
the
complexion
of
your
defence
,
it
makes
an
easie
proof
have
credit
.
But
I
think
there
was
a
full
proof
in
your
case
;
yet
I
say
,
if
there
had
been
a
great
deal
less
proof
,
the
Jury
might
with
justice
have
found
you
guilty
.
And
because
you
now
declare
your self
innocent
of
all
you
are
charged
with
,
I
think
my self
bound
to
declare
here
in
vindication
of
the
Countrey
,
and
in
vindication
of
the
justice
of
the
Court
,
that
it
was
a
Verdict
well
given
,
and
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
Court
,
and
I
did
not
find
my
Brothers
did
dislike
it
.
This
I
say
to
you
out
of
charity
,
that
you
may
incline
your
mind
to
a
submission
to
the
justice
that
has
overtaken
you
,
and
that
you
may
enter
into
charity
with
all
men
,
and
prepare
your self
for
another
life
.
There
is
nothing
now
remaining
,
but
to
pronounce
the
Sentence
which
the
Law
provides
for
such
an
Offence
;
which
is
this
,
and
the
Court
does
award
,
That
you
Stephen
Colledge
shall
be
carried
from
hence
to
the
place
from
whence
you
came
,
and
from
thence
you
shall
be
drawn
on
an
Hurdle
to
the
place
of
Execution
,
where
you
shall
be
hanged
up
by
the
Neck
,
and
be
cut
down
alive
,
your
Privy-members
shall
be
cut
off
,
and
your
Bowels
taken
out
and
burnt
before
your
face
,
your
Head
shall
be
cut
off
from
your
Body
,
your
Body
be
divided
into
four
quarters
,
which
are
to
be
at
the
Kings
dispose
,
and
the
Lord
have
mercy
upon
your
Soul
.
Colledge
.
Amen
.
My
Lord
,
I
would
know
what
time
your
Lordship
is
pleased
to
appoint
for
my
preparation
?
Lo.
ch.
just
.
That
will
depend
upon
the
King's
pleasure
:
We
do
not
use
in
these
cases
of
High-Treason
to
precipitate
the
Execution
,
but
we
will
leave
such
order
with
the
Sheriff
to
receive
the
King's
pleasure
,
and
obey
it
.
He
will
not
do
it
so
sudden
but
that
you
shall
have
notice
to
prepare
your self
;
but
it
depends
upon
the
King's
pleasure
;
for
your
body
is
to
be
at
his
dispose
.
Then
the
Court
adjourned
.
And
on
Wednesday
the
31.
of
August
,
1681.
being
the
day
appointed
by
His
Majesty
for
his
Execution
,
He
was
according
to
Sentence
,
executed
over
against
the
Gate
of
the
Castle
at
Oxford
.
FINIS
.