A vindication of Duncan Liddel, and his son George Liddel, the on [sic] professor of the mathematicks, and the other a student of philosophie, and John Forbes, printer to the university and town of Aberdeen by way of answer of a scourrilous [sic] ryme sent from Edinburgh. To the tune of, The gentlemans mear is behind. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription B06447 of text R186017 in the English Short Title Catalog (Wing V481). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. This text has not been fully proofread Approx. 10 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-IV TIFF page image. EarlyPrint Project Evanston,IL, Notre Dame, IN, St. Louis, MO 2018 B06447 Wing V481 ESTC R186017 52529066 ocm 52529066 179202 2240865700

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 Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 2, no. B06447) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 179202) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English Books, 1641-1700 ; 2780:3) A vindication of Duncan Liddel, and his son George Liddel, the on [sic] professor of the mathematicks, and the other a student of philosophie, and John Forbes, printer to the university and town of Aberdeen by way of answer of a scourrilous [sic] ryme sent from Edinburgh. To the tune of, The gentlemans mear is behind. 1 sheet ([1] p.) s.n., [London : 1685] In verse. Caption title. Imprint from Wing. Sheet also includes: A confutation of James Seton and Mr. Duncan Liddel. Imperfect: cropped with some loss of text. Reproduction of the original in the National Library of Scotland. eng Liddel, Duncan, -- Professor, fl. 1685. Liddel, George, fl. 1685. Forbes, John, d. 1704. Seton, James, fl. 1685. Ballads, English -- 17th century. Broadsides -- England -- 17th century. eebo A vindication of Duncan Liddel, and his son George Liddel, the on [sic] professor of the mathematicks, and the other a student of philosophie, and Joh [Liddel, Duncan, 1684 1 1716 56 0 0 0 0 0 326.34 F The rate of 326.34 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2008-02 Assigned for keying and markup 2008-02 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2009-07 Sampled and proofread 2009-07 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2009-09 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion
A VINDICAT1ON of DUNCAN LIDDEL , And his Son GEORGE LIDDEL , The on Professor of the Mathematicks , and the other a Student of Philosophie , and John Forbes , Printer to the University and Town of Aberdeen , by way of Answer of a scourrilous Ryme sent from Edinburgh .

To the Tune of , The Gentlemans Mear is behind .

An Answer too that mad Mans Ryme Will prove an Horse at fooling time , And if that fail he 'l turn an Ass , As Ferrie's compt at the next grass . WHat makes the foolish Cocks-comb so to carp , Like too a foisting Curr can nought but bark At him who is profoundly learn'd in all ; Not only speculative , but practical Parts of the Mathematicks ( which fool ye ) Knows even as much as doth a Beetle Bee : But grant ye had some skill as ye have none , Then I would ask at you this Question , What is the difference 'twixt an current day ? And on compleat if this ye know , I say , Your ignorance ye had not so bewray'd , Nor in your judgment had so much decay'd , ●s not to know the difference , I say , Tiwxt th' Artificial and the natural day . 〈◊〉 this ye'd known as ye pretend to do , ●e had confest our Feasts both right and true , ●he first , the third of March which cannot fail ; ●hen without doubt the ninetenth of April . ●he second holds as ye may read and see , ●onfirm'd by Vincent Wing , and Gadburry . ●our weakness Sir ye very much discover . ●or to prove Easter by the Jews Pashover : ●ut I with pardon this much most tell you 〈◊〉 greater things I fear ye 're too much Jew . ●s for your Hebrew it's not very good , When ye mistake moneth Nisan for Abib . ●ut tho it were as ye would hav 't to be ; 〈◊〉 nothing proves as all learn'd men agree ; Athough good Friday fall near the full Moon ; ●et still it holds not so , as may be seen ●his present year , which I think none will doubt : ●t you good Sir , whose wit is in your snout , ●hen Christ our Saviour suffered on the Cross , ●e know that darkness was miraculous ; ●t that proves nothing to the thing in hand . ●nd so I hope your Worship 's at an stand ; ●en I conclude who ever you informs ●ost justly does deserve a pair of Horns , 〈◊〉 at the least to have the same reward ●ich Midas had : and what is that ye 've heard ? 〈◊〉 I perceive who sees you well without 〈◊〉 all he can expect ; for without doubt 〈◊〉 nought within , but a poor empty House : A Lodging hardly worthy a Mouse : But had ye knowledge as ye apprehend Your self to have , then truly I would send Some lines unto you of an deeper dy ; But to an naughty shallow Fellow , I Thinks it below my wrath ; because I know Ther 's nought within you to your self ye owe , But other learned Mens works that ye steel . Which sure I am ye understand not well ; And here I will a Lesson you prescrive , If ye be wise , no longer for to dyve In matters to Antartick to your brain ; Or in the least compet with learned Men , Whose Books ye are not worthy for to bear , Should make you keep within your proper sphear To wit the Dung Hill , which sympathizes best , With your dull brains , and there resolve to rest ; Because these heavenly Bodies which wee see Goes far beyond thy gross capacity . Your Prima Coruu which is in your Ryme Holds forth your Grammer not to be so prime As ye would hav 't , beleeved since there are none Have learn'd the Rudiments , but knows its wrong . I know by prima stella's understood ; But ye do lake ( In An ) to make it good , And right construction , which plainly shews Your Latin is no better then a Cows . What are these Problems ? twelve I do not know Ye 've answered him , he only you but two , To lie so grosly holds you forth more base Then any horned Ox or surdid Asse . Next ye bring in to back your lies old Lilly ; Had ye a tail ye'd make a compleat filly , For Lilly our Professor know to be As great a Master of the Art as he ; Although these jugling tricks he did not use , Which Lilly did poor people to abuse , Erecting figures of Astrology To cheat them , had not knowledge of their money . If Master Duncan pleased to contend With on like you , ther 's none needs him defend ; But that he think's it below him to contest , With either hummel or with horned beast . Now of this Matter for to make an end With our Professor do not more contend , Whose skill and knowledge in Astronomy , And all the secrets of Astrology Is known to be so great , that there are few . Will dare to challeng't , but an Asse like you ; Since all the learn'd Professors of this Art , In Britan or in whatsomever part , Both will and have acknowledged and confest , He is not inferior to the very best . As for George Liddel whose years do not arrive As yet unto the Number of four times five . Most shameful hath put you to the foil , And made you back upon your breach recoile Whose printed Problems plain and clearly shew , Which yet are extant to the publick is view I think , and so should every wise Man too ; Ye should desist from rayling as ye do . Whereas ye talk of George to run their fiddel , Assure your self e're long ye's have a Riddel Shall run you well enough , but that I fear Your madness spoil your brains e'r ye come there . As for our Printer ye strive too abuse , Who is a Gentleman , and does not use To rail on any man , but no thing 's true . I hope he 's nothing yet behind with you ; But that he thinks't below him to contest With you that loves to rail and lie at best . If I had thought thee worthy of my Pen , I could have written in an higher strain ; But for an Block-head this is good enough , Whose learning fits him better for the plough , Then for to strain his Rustick brainet so high , As touch at Matters of Astronomy . If I esteem'd Thee better than a Slav , I ' d take in hand to Ryme thee to thy Grave . Your empty head 's no better then a stock , Fit for to be an Haberdascher's block ; And shall I speak more properly my mind , At best ye 're but a bladder blown with wind . But I 'le conclude , take head to your self , In case ye splite upon a Northern shelf ; Since I have power to make an Storm arise , Shall quite destract you if ye'l not be wise .
A CONFUTATION OF JAMES SETON And Mr. DUNCAN LIDDEL OR , An answer to the foresaid Rables , Who place their Art in lying Tables ; Against James Seton and the Beasts , Who will maintain Erronous Feasts .

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The Gentleman John Forbes Mear's behin● Then Patersons ye still before shall find . IN Fastens-Even ye se it is most plain , At Aberdeen they take their word ag●… As here before it clearly may be seen , But Cocks do rave still near to Fastens-Eve Yet how can this be , they are Horned Be●… Because they err'd so much into the Feast But what of this , they may be changed a 〈◊〉 You know upon Acteon what did fall . Because he had to curious a Brain , For to Espy and make his Sex a Stain ; He first on two feet , then on four did go May not their four , likewise be changed t●… For when like Beasts before they did rem●… Acteons foisting Currs would have them s● But to return they are now in the burrs , Their Combs do vex them , like Acteons 〈◊〉 Yea , Hony Combs that cometh from th●… Doth vex these Drons , as clearly you may And now they do begin for to discover , Their Ignorance into the Jews Pass-over They do their contra-party call a Jew , But who will read in Holy write , Mat●… The twenty six , and likewise Mark fo●… Will clearly see that we no Jews have bee● Then read what follows and ye will dis●… Our SAVIOUR suffer'd at the Jews Pass - 〈◊〉 And that he did on Sunday next arise , Which none but Jews this any way den●… Consider this , and ye will find it true , And clearly know who now have been th●… You cite both Vincent Wing , and Ga●… Whose Rules are right , but Tables wrong th●… The English Liturgy will you confoun● Although of Art you say you 're so profo●… For it doth give the same Rule that we u●… Now if you loss your Comb you 'le prove a 〈◊〉 Whose Feathers Southward did fly with th●… But left the Gooss for to be Rost behind : Against the Feast of Christian-mass I tr●… And then we 'le know the Christian from th●… The Month Nisan and Abib is all o●… Which none denies except your self a 〈◊〉 Thou Boasts of Hebrew like a learned 〈…〉 .