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CERTAINE REASONS , Proouing the Separation , commonly called Brownists , to be Schismatiques .

By WILLIAM GILGATE , Minister of the Word of God .

GALAT. 5.19 , 20 , 21.

The works of the flesh are manifest , — Seditions , — whereof I tell you before , as I haue told you before , that they that doe such things , shall not inherit the Kingdome of God .

LONDON Printed by W. Stansby for Nathaniel Butter , and are to be sold at his shop neare St. Augustines gate , at the signe of the Pyde Bull. 1621.

The Preface to the Reader .

HAuing some yeares since suffered shipwracke in the gulfe of Separation , and by Gods gracious hand hauing beene lifted out , and saued from drowning in these waues , I thinke it my duty to discry to others the danger and escape of those passages to and from Amsterdam . I left these Arguments of mine with Master Henry Ainsworth , Preacher to the same English at Amsterdam , calling themselues the Separation , commonly called Brownists ; that hee and his might see , how I not rashly , but for iust cause left them . Sithence that , I haue beene inwardly moued to publish them in print , that they also who still sticke in that pit , may at length perceiue on what a sandy foundation the Separation is built ; and forsaking the same with mee and others , may labour to build themselues vpon the Rocke Christ , so as the gates of Hell may not preuaile against them , to plucke them from the one Body , whereof hee is the one onely Head . Because they perswade themselues , that their manner of separation is the same that the holy Scriptures doe warrant , I haue set downe their Reasons grounded on two chiefe places of the same , very firmely , as they imagine : but I haue shewed that they wrest them , as many other alleaged to that end , for the proofe of that which they reproue . My reasons shewing their Separation to be a Schisme , I haue set downe briefly . This I haue done , not of hatred to any of their persons , or any truth of Christ , which they hold with the true Churches of God ; but of sincere loue toward them ; that they might acknowledge and forsake this worke of the flesh , Schisme I meane , which among other excludeth men from the Kingdome of God ; which I pray God to bestow vpon all his there and euery where . Amen .

William Gilgate .
The reasons of the Separation , called Brownists , taken out of two chiefe places of Scripture , answered .

GOD admonisheth his people dwelling in Babylon , id est , Rome , Reuel. 18 4. That at length acknowledging the filthinesse of that Citie , they forsake her :

Therefore hee willeth also all his people with speed to come forth from the Parish Assemblies in England .

I deny the consequence . It followeth not ; there is not the same reason . In the Church of Rome men continuing members , are partakers of their damnable errours and sinnes ; but it is not so in the Parish Assemblies of the Church of England . Which is so farre from beeing Babylon , that it is the strongest and most flourishing enemie of Babylon : In which regard it is most deadly hated by the Antichrist of Rome . Let the Separatists take heed lest themselues , vnder the pretence of hatred to Babylon , build vp a worse Babylon , or Babell of Confusion in the Christian Church .

2. The beleeuers in the Church of Corinth , 2. Corin. 6.17 . are forbidden to haue fellowship with Infidels in Idolatrie , id est , in the holy Feasts they celebrated to the honour of Idols .

Therefore they may not communicate with the English Parish Assemblies in the Word of God , Sacraments , Prayer .

Here also is an inconsequence : They must proue the people there to be Infidels , and those meanes or helpes of Gods worship to be Idols , and the vsing of the same there , to be idolatrie .

Separatists are Schismatiques .

NAy , the Separation seemeth the rather guiltie of Idolatrie in adhering to , admiring , and euen adoring their owne dreames and new-fangled fancies .

My reasons conuincing them of Schisme . Where the Sonne of God speaketh to men by his Gospel , there we may heare him .

In the English Parish Assemblies , Christ speaketh to men by his Gospel .

Therefore in those Parish Assemblies , wee may heare him . And by consequence the Separation are Schismatiques , refusing to heare him in any of the said Assemblies .

Minor proued . Where men that were dead in sinnes and trespasses , by hearing doe liue spiritually , id est , doe reioice in God , tasting Gods fatherly fauour toward them in Christ , there the Sonne of God doth speake to men by his Gospel .

In the said Assemblies , some men that were dead in sinnes and trespasses doe liue spiritually , &c.

Therefore in the said Assemblies , at least some of them , the Sonne of God doth speake to men by his Gospel .

When I vrged this Argument to Maister Ainsworth , he could answer nothing but that Christ doth not at any time speake to any by his Gospell , in the Parish Assemblies of the Church of England , and that none there doe liue by Faith . Which vncharitable and hatefull opinion of his , did make me the more to hate their vnchristian opinions .

They that consenting with others in the doctrine of Saluation by Christ , 1. Cor. 1.10.11 . Iud. 19. doe neuerthelesse separate themselues from them as touching spirituall communion , are Schismatiques .

The Separation doe consent with others in the doctrine of saluation by Christ , and yet doe separate from them , as touching spirituall communion .

Therefore they are Schismatiques .

The Corinthians were guiltie of Schisme in hearing some teachers , and not othersome , Maior proued . though teaching the same doctrine ; and in not communicating at the Table of the Lord with them that professed the same Faith of Christ with themselues . 1. Cor. 11.21 .

Therefore the Separation are guiltie of Schisme in doing the like .

The former had some shew of reason for that they did : so haue the latter .

Those men that Iude speaketh of were Schismatiques , 2. proofe of the Maior . for separating themselues from the godly , when they came together to the outward worship of God .

Therefore the Separation for doing the like , are likewise Schismatiques .

Let them not falsly affirme , that they from whom they separate in the Parish-Assemblies , are not godly ; and that the outward worship there vsed is not Gods worship , because of I know not what pretended defects , and because many wicked are mixed with them .

They that teach that in those Churches , where open sinners are tolerated , Reuel. 2.24 . & 3.4 . no lawfull communion can be had in things of God , and thereupon refuse to haue communion with the same , are Schismatikes .

Reasons discussed , pag , 247. 249. The maior proued . The Separation doe teach this , &c.

Therefore they are schismatiques .

Christ putteth no such burden vpon the faithfull in Thyatira and Sardis to separate themselues , because wicked men were tolerated in their Churches .

Therefore they are Schismatiques that lay such a burden on the faithfull in England .

They that refuse to haue communion in priuate prayer with those , Ephes. 4.3.4.5.6 . whom they may discern to haue communion with Christ , are schismatiques .

The Separation for the most part doe this .

Therefore they are schismatiques .

The maior proued . In refusing to haue communion with such , they shew themselues not to bee of the same body of Christ with them , nor to be led by the same Spirit , nor to haue the same Lord , and the same God and Father ; and therefore are Schismatiques .

They that without iust cause , renounce all spirituall communion in publique , with a true Church , are Schismatiques .

The Separation doe this .

Therefore they are Schismatiques .

Minor proued . The Church of England is a true Church of God .

The Separation renounce spirituall communion with the Church of England in publique , and that without iust cause .

Therefore they without iust cause , renounce spiritual communion in publique , with a true Church .

If the Church of England be the pillar of truth , Maior proued . vpholding the heauenly truth , 1. Tim. 3.16 . 1. proofe for the Church of England . against all heretiques and the Antichrist of Rome , as pillars vphold a house , then it is a true Church of God .

The first is true . Therefore the second .

The Gospel of our saluation is the word of truth . The antecedent prooued . Ephes. 1.13 .

The Church of England vpholdeth as a pillar , the Gospel of our saluation .

Therefore it vpholdeth the word of truth , and by consequence it is a true Church .

Let them not here stand to shew a difference betweene the Church of England and Ephesus . There may bee a difference betweene true Churches : notwithstanding they are all true , that maintayne the word of truth , the Gospell .

If the Church of England in Queene Maries time , 2. proofe for the Church of England . from the errours then maintayned being the principall was rightly named a false corrupted Church : then since Queene Elizabeths time , the same Church from the truth maintayned being the principall , is to be named a true Church .

When I mention the truth as principall onely , I argue out of the principles supposed by the Separatists , namely , that there may be some inferior errors in the Church of England : As what Church in the world is free from erring in all things ? Will the Separation boast that themselues haue no errors in their Church . This taske I leaue to them , both of clearing themselues from all error , and also of accusing the Church of England of any .

Antecedent prooued . The denomination or naming of a thing is from the more principall : as it is named a heape of wheate , though much chaffe bee mixed with it ; and hee is called not a sinner , but righteous , whose sinnes are forgiuen , and in whom sinne reigneth not , though he hath sinne dwelling in him , & sometimes sinneth of infirmitie : and hee is called a spirituall man , in whom the regenerate part beareth the sway .

The errours in Queene Maryes time were the chiefe and principall ; the truths were ouerwhelmed with the multitude of their errours .

Therefore from the same multitude of vntruths and errors then maintayned , it was to bee named a false or corrupt Church : and therefore also since Queene Elizabeths time it is to bee named a true Church , the truths haue preuailed , and are the chiefe part .

2. proofe of the Antecedent . As the Spirits , or teachers are to be tryed by that short summe of the Gospel ( Christ is come in the flesh ) and thereby are to bee iudged true or false : so by the same is a Church to bee iudged true or false . From hence I frame this argument .

If they bee to bee accounted false Teachers , who holding some truths of Christ , yet also holde some great errour contrary thereunto , as Cerinthus denying Christs godhead ; then a Church , as that of England in Queene Maries time , was to bee accounted a false Church , which professing in word that sentence concerning Christs person and office , yet in the meane time defended opinions ouerthrowing the truth both of his natures and offices .

The first is true . And therefore also the second .

If they are to be accounted true Teachers , 3. Proofe for the now Church of England to be a true Church . who keepe this foundation ( Christ is come in the flesh ) and build not vpon it any Doctrine , ouerthrowing the same ; then a Church , as that now of England , is to be held for a true Church , which retayneth this foundation of the Christian Faith , and buildeth not vpon it any Doctrines , ouerthrowing the same .

The first is true . Therefore the second .

The Separation haue no iust cause to separate as they doe , from the Church of England .

IF a member of that Church may there not defile his garments , then in hearing of the Word read and preached , in Prayer and receiuing the Sacraments , they haue no cause to renounce communion with that Church .

The first is true ; and therefore the second .

The sincere and pure profession of Christ , Antecedent proued . from all filth and defilements of monstrous opinions and vices , are those garments .

A member of that Church may make there a pure profession of Christ , from all filth and defilements of monstrous opinions and vices .

Therefore a member of that Church may there not defile his garments .

2. Proofe . A member of that Church needeth not to bee infected with the company of the wicked there ; hee may separate himselfe from euery of them , but not from the Church where such are .

Therefore , a member of that Church may keepe his garments vndefiled .

And so the Separation haue no iust cause to renounce communion with the Church of England in those meanes of Gods worship .

The French and Dutch reformed Churches are true Churches of God .

The Separation renounce spirituall communion in publique with those Churches .

Therefore , they renounce spirituall communion in publique with true Churches .

They haue no iust cause to doe it , because they meet in Temples . If the difference of places bee taken away by Christ , euen as the difference of meates , that as Christians may eate any meates ; so they may serue God in any places : then the Temples they assemble in to worship God , are no iust cause of renouncing communion with them .

Coloss. 2.16 . The first is true : Therefore the second .

1. Tim. 2.8 . If they answer , the place of Paul to Timothy : Though he bids vs pray for all men , yet Iohn excepteth one sort , 1. Iohn 5. so though he bids men pray euery where , yet one kind of place is excepted as euill to serue God in : let them then name one of the Apostles , who hath made such an exception . I deny not that in the old Testament , there was in force such a difference of places , but it is taken away in the new Testament .

Nor because they reade a set forme of Prayer . If in a set forme of prayer read , or said by heart , all things may be put in practice , required in acceptable prayer to God ; then the vsing thereof by these Churches , is no iust cause of their renouncing communion with them in publique .

The first is true : Therefore the second .

The things asked of God may be such as are contayned in the Lords prayer . Wee may haue a sense of our wants , and a desire of the grace of God to supply the same . Thirdly , Faith , whereby wee beleeue and professe , that God for his Sonne Christs sake , will in his due time grant vs our requests .

Therefore , all things required in acceptable prayer to God ( except they can shew vs any moe ) may be put in practice , in a set forme of prayer , read , or said by heart .