An
Answer
to
the
Objections
Made
to
the
SURGEONS
BILL
.
THat
the
Surgeons
of
London
in
the
Reign
of
Hen.
VII
.
Examined
such
as
were
admitted
to
Practise
Surgery
,
and
chose
Mr.
John
Smith
,
Dr.
in
Physick
,
an
Examiner
with
them
,
who
was
present
at
such
Examinations
,
appears
by
an
Old
Manuscript
formerly
belonging
to
Sir
Robert
Cotton
,
and
now
ready
to
be
produced
.
It
appears
also
by
the
same
Manuscript
,
that
the
Persons
Examined
and
Approved
,
were
admitted
to
practise
in
the
directive
as
well
as
the
operative
part
.
That
the
examined
and
approved
Surgeons
of
London
examined
the
other
Surgeons
,
is
further
manifest
by
the
Statute
of
H.
VIII
.
An.
3.
C.
11.
By
the
32d
of
H.
VIII
.
C.
42.
at
their
Incorporation
with
the
Barbers
,
all
former
Priviledges
were
confirmed
to
them
:
But
the
Surgeons
not
permitted
to
shave
,
because
they
took
into
their
Houses
such
as
had
the
French
Pox
and
Plague
,
which
are
not
Cured
by
Plaisters
only
.
By
the
34th
and
35th
of
H.
VIIIth
Cap.
8.
all
Persons
having
Skill
in
Herbs
,
Oyntments
,
&c.
are
impowred
,
not
only
to
Cure
outward
Sores
,
but
also
to
give
Drinks
in
Cases
of
Stone
,
Strangury
&c
,
And
this
Act
was
made
because
the
Surgeons
had
hindred
many
Persons
from
doing
it
,
as
appears
by
the
Recital
:
From
which
it
is
strongly
to
be
imply'd
,
That
the
Surgeons
had
a
Right
to
give
such
Drinks
:
Otherwise
there
had
been
no
colour
for
their
Pretence
to
restrain
others
from
it
.
'Till
the
first
year
of
King
J.
the
1st
.
the
Surgeons
used
Surgery
in
all
its
parts
,
without
any
interruption
from
the
College
.
And
the
said
K.
James
the
1st
.
in
the
2d
year
of
his
Reign
,
confirm'd
all
former
Priviledges
unto
them
;
and
further
,
by
Charter
impowred
them
to
give
Internal
as
well
as
External
Medicines
,
and
to
Examine
all
that
use
Surgery
:
And
the
Usage
has
been
in
all
times
agreeable
to
it
,
and
lookt
upon
as
an
Essential
part
of
the
Practice
of
Surgery
.
Whereas
the
College
do
confidently
affirm
,
that
the
Surgeons
attempts
to
procure
a
Patent
from
King
Charles
the
1st
.
for
giving
Internal
Medicines
in
Cases
of
Surgery
was
in
vain
,
and
that
the
Lord
Coventry
refused
to
Sign
the
same
,
is
not
so
:
For
it
is
apparent
that
the
Surgeons
have
that
Patent
,
in
which
he
not
only
confirms
the
aforementioned
Priviledges
but
grants
to
them
many
others
;
amongst
which
,
that
all
Persons
using
Surgery
within
the
City
of
London
and
7
Miles
thereof
,
should
be
Examined
by
four
or
more
of
the
ten
Examiners
of
the
same
Company
,
in
the
presence
of
two
or
more
of
the
Governours
,
which
method
continues
to
this
day
.
By
vertue
of
the
32th
H.
VIII
.
the
Physicians
of
London
were
impowered
to
use
Surgery
,
but
not
to
Examine
Surgeons
.
That
the
Surgeons
themselves
do
constantly
chuse
who
of
the
College
to
read
their
Anatomical
Lectures
is
true
,
(
but
they
are
not
Elected
by
the
College
,
as
they
wold
infer
,
)
and
four
of
their
own
Members
to
dissect
the
Body
for
their
own
improvement
in
that
Art
;
which
if
the
College
had
been
as
careful
to
do
,
they
would
not
have
discontinued
the
Lectures
which
Dr.
Harvey
left
a
considerable
Sum
of
Money
to
maintain
.
Whereas
the
Physicians
affirm
they
were
a
Corporation
Eighteen
years
at
least
before
the
Surgeons
,
the
contrary
is
manifest
:
For
the
Surgeons
were
a
Company
in
Henry
the
VIIth's
time
,
as
appears
by
the
Arms
given
them
by
the
said
King
,
and
by
the
Preamble
of
the
5th
of
Hen.
VIII
.
Cap.
6.
and
32
Hen.
VIII
.
Cap.
42.
Whereas
the
Physicians
do
alledge
,
that
the
Surgeons
met
with
great
disappointments
in
the
Court
of
King
James
the
1st
.
the
contrary
is
manifest
,
by
his
Gracious
Charter
above
mentioned
.
True
it
is
,
That
such
an
Order
as
is
mentioned
by
the
College
,
dated
the
13th
of
June
,
1632.
was
obtained
,
and
concealed
for
about
three
years
,
but
upon
Petition
of
the
Surgeons
,
and
a
Hearing
before
the
Court
of
Star-Chamber
,
it
was
disannulled
.
True
it
is
,
That
there
was
a
Hearing
before
the
late
Lord
Chancellour
in
the
〈…〉
When
the
College
lately
offer'd
their
Bill
to
the
House
of
Lords
,
the
Surgeons
Petition
against
it
did
not
find
so
little
favour
as
they
affirm
,
for
thereupon
,
their
Arbitrary
Clause
was
struck
out
of
the
Bill
;
of
which
Bill
a
Copy
is
ready
to
be
produced
.
The
Physicians
pretend
to
object
to
the
Bill
;
That
under
colour
of
Cases
of
Surgery
,
it
is
intended
to
bring
in
all
Cases
.
That
is
but
a
meer
Cavil
,
for
every
body
knows
what
is
meant
by
Cases
of
Surgery
:
And
if
it
be
thought
that
there
is
any
Weight
in
that
Objection
,
the
Surgeons
are
content
it
should
be
more
plainly
expressed
,
if
it
can
be
.
Another
Objection
is
,
Thay
the
Surgeons
intend
to
let
themselves
into
the
General
Practice
of
Physick
,
by
desiring
that
in
all
Cases
it
may
be
lawful
for
the
Physicians
to
consult
with
them
.
The
Answer
to
this
is
plain
—
They
only
desire
that
the
College
may
not
restrain
Physicians
from
Consulting
in
proper
Cases
with
Surgeons
:
Which
the
College
of
late
has
pretended
to
do
by
By-Laws
which
they
have
made
.
The
Bill
does
wholly
referr
it
to
the
Judgment
of
the
Physician
,
whether
he
will
consult
with
them
,
or
,
in
what
Cases
he
pleases
to
do
so
.
In
Answer
to
that
part
of
the
Bill
,
against
which
the
Physicians
Object
,
that
the
Surgeons
ought
not
to
examin
Surgeons
:
Nothing
more
is
desired
in
that
part
of
it
,
than
what
is
already
practised
,
except
only
,
that
whereas
now
the
Bishop
of
London
,
and
Dean
of
St.
Pauls
,
do
License
upon
a
Certificate
of
any
four
Surgeons
(
in
which
they
may
easily
be
imposed
upon
)
the
Certificate
by
the
Bill
is
to
be
from
the
Examiners
of
the
Company
:
Whereby
Abuses
will
be
prevented
.
The
Physicians
set
down
three
Reasons
,
as
insisted
upon
by
the
Surgeons
,
for
the
Bill
,
which
they
pretend
to
except
to
but
without
cause
:
For
as
to
the
First
,
That
they
have
the
like
power
already
,
of
giving
Internal
Medicines
in
Cases
of
Surgery
;
it
is
most
true
,
that
such
power
is
granted
them
expresly
in
the
Charter
of
K.
James
1st
.
and
confirmed
to
them
by
other
Charters
.
The
Surgeons
second
Reason
mention'd
is
,
That
these
powers
are
necessary
to
fit
them
for
the
King's
Service
,
which
is
most
apparently
true
,
for
otherwise
they
cannot
be
capable
of
serving
in
the
Royal
Fleets
,
or
in
Merchant
Ships
,
or
in
the
King's
Armies
,
and
the
Surgeons
are
allowed
this
liberty
in
all
other
Countries
in
Europe
,
and
here
,
except
within
seven
Miles
of
London
.
The
Truth
of
the
third
Reason
for
the
Surgeons
,
That
,
till
of
late
,
Physicians
have
consulted
with
them
:
Is
known
to
most
Gentlemen
,
and
cannot
be
denyed
by
the
Physicians
themselves
.
As
to
what
the
Physicians
pretend
to
find
in
their
Annals
,
That
some
few
Physicians
have
sometimes
gone
in
the
Fleets
,
it
is
true
;
but
they
did
not
go
as
Physicians
to
the
Fleet
,
or
to
take
care
of
the
Sea-Men
,
but
to
attend
the
person
of
some
particular
great
Officer
;
and
it
is
as
true
,
that
there
is
but
one
Physician
in
the
Establishment
of
the
whole
Army
,
whereas
there
is
a
Surgeon
and
a
Mate
to
every
Regiment
.
As
to
the
insinuation
,
That
the
giving
this
liberty
to
the
Surgeons
,
will
be
a
prejudice
to
the
Universities
;
it
is
but
a
meer
pretence
:
For
it
is
desired
only
in
Cases
of
Surgery
,
which
will
not
affect
them
.
But
the
Physicians
admitting
more
than
forty
Foreign
Doctors
,
and
giving
them
place
before
the
Doctors
of
either
of
our
Universities
,
and
the
general
Licenses
to
practice
Physick
,
which
the
College
does
frequently
give
to
persons
who
never
were
of
any
University
,
if
they
will
pay
Fees
,
Gratuities
,
and
Quarterage-Money
,
as
the
College
thinks
fit
to
demand
,
is
a
great
detriment
to
the
Universities
,
and
a
discouragement
to
the
study
of
Physick
there
.
Whereas
the
Physicians
alledge
,
they
are
so
far
from
discouraging
the
Surgeons
,
that
they
never
denyed
any
who
applyed
to
them
for
a
License
to
practice
,
Provided
they
gave
any
Testimony
of
their
fitness
;
the
contrary
is
so
manifest
,
that
they
refused
to
License
Mr.
Coatsworth
,
the
last
person
of
the
Surgeons
Company
who
had
a
License
from
them
,
till
he
had
procured
himself
to
be
discharged
of
the
Company
.
FINIS
.