An
Answer
to
Monsieur
Talon's
Plea
,
Published
at
Paris
.
HEre
has
appeared
some
days
ago
,
a
Plea
of
Monsieur
Talon's
,
at
the
head
of
a
Decree
of
the
Parliament
of
Paris
,
issued
against
a
Bull
of
our
Lord
the
Pope
,
which
Excommunicates
all
those
who
under
pretence
of
pretended
Franchises
,
shelter
all
sorts
of
Villains
,
Banditts
,
and
Assassinates
,
and
hinder
the
course
of
Justice
in
the
City
of
Rome
.
If
this
Paper
had
not
appeared
publickly
in
Paris
in
the
name
of
the
Parliament
,
we
should
never
have
believed
that
under
a
Prince
of
that
wisdom
and
Zeal
for
the
Catholick
Faith
,
as
his
Most
Christian
Majesty
has
ever
appeared
to
be
,
any
man
durst
have
published
such
a
Pamphlet
as
this
,
that
looks
rather
like
a
defamatory
Libell
,
fill'd
with
injuries
against
the
Pope
and
the
Apostolick
See
,
then
like
the
Plea
of
an
Advocate-General
,
that
has
spent
his
Age
in
the
Profession
of
Eloquence
and
Law
.
This
Magistrate
in
his
Youth
,
spoke
of
the
Church
of
Rome
but
from
the
Memorialls
of
Dr
Launoy
,
who
never
had
other
end
in
his
Writings
then
to
lessen
the
Sovereign
Authority
of
the
Pope
:
It
was
hoped
that
Age
and
Experience
would
have
tempered
by
this
time
that
Critical
and
Morose
humour
of
his
,
which
made
him
heretofore
Write
with
so
little
Moderation
of
the
Sacred
See
.
And
we
might
have
thought
that
the
Clergy
of
France
,
having
so
vigorously
remonstrated
,
and
so
notably
complained
of
a
Plea
of
his
he
made
above
Twenty
years
ago
,
in
which
he
had
advanced
Propositions
so
absolutely
Erroneous
,
and
so
injurious
to
the
Church
of
God
,
that
the
Bishops
of
France
openly
Taxed
'em
with
Heresy
and
Schism
,
he
would
not
have
presumed
to
have
pull'd
upon
himself
again
;
not
only
the
just
indignation
of
those
Venerable
Prelates
,
but
indeed
the
Clamour
of
the
whole
Catholick
Church
,
for
Violating
that
Sacred
Respect
,
which
has
ever
from
all
good
Christians
been
due
to
the
Vicar
of
Christ
,
and
the
Visible
Head
of
the
Church
.
Besides
,
the
Advocate
speaking
upon
this
occasion
,
only
in
Complyance
with
the
Ministers
of
the
King
,
we
had
some
ground
to
expect
more
Modesty
from
him
.
But
whether
it
were
that
he
acted
by
order
of
the
Court
,
or
that
he
Indulged
that
Extravagant
humour
of
his
,
ever
contrary
to
the
Roman
Church
,
't
is
certain
he
never
with
more
Liberty
was
transported
against
the
Pope
and
the
Sacred
See
,
then
in
this
last
Plea
of
his
.
We
might
have
thought
that
in
a
matter
of
this
importance
,
and
a
Controversy
that
has
made
such
a
Noise
in
the
World
,
as
this
of
the
Franchises
has
done
,
a
Man
of
Learning
and
Parts
,
would
have
examined
the
matter
in
question
to
the
bottom
;
would
have
established
the
Pretensions
of
France
by
Arguments
of
some
force
;
would
have
brought
us
Presidents
from
Authentique
History
;
would
have
given
us
Reasons
well
grounded
in
Law
,
and
so
with
some
Colour
at
least
have
asserted
those
unjust
and
Chymerical
pretensions
which
aim
at
the
power
of
exercising
Acts
of
Sovereignty
in
the
middle
of
other
Lands
then
his
own
,
and
in
the
Capital
City
of
another
Prince's
Dominions
:
for
indeed
the
right
which
Monsieur
Talon
maintains
,
is
nothing
else
but
this
:
To
be
able
to
tye
the
hands
of
a
Sovereign
Prince
in
his
own
State
;
to
be
able
to
exercise
an
Absolute
Sovereignty
in
a
place
where
he
has
no
Authority
at
all
:
to
be
able
to
give
shelter
,
and
allow
impunity
to
all
Criminals
whatsoever
:
to
be
able
to
Authorize
all
sorts
of
Disorders
in
a
City
which
(
as
Monsieur
Lavardin
was
pleas'd
to
call
it
)
is
the
general
Countrey
of
all
good
Christians
,
and
where
consequently
good
Order
and
exact
Government
are
more
necessary
then
in
any
part
of
the
World
.
In
a
word
,
't
is
to
be
able
to
expose
that
infinity
of
Persons
which
come
to
Rome
from
all
parts
of
the
World
,
to
all
sorts
of
Insolencies
and
Injuries
without
their
being
any
ways
able
to
demand
Justice
or
to
secure
themselves
.
This
in
short
is
the
substance
of
that
right
of
Franchises
or
Priviledges
which
the
Ambassadour
of
France
pretends
to
have
at
his
particular
House
within
the
Walls
of
Rome
.
A
right
so
odious
and
so
abominable
,
if
we
consider
the
consequences
well
,
that
though
the
Most
Christian
King
had
all
the
right
in
the
world
on
his
side
,
yet
that
Piety
and
Justice
which
God
and
the
World
expects
from
such
a
Prince
as
he
,
would
oblige
him
voluntarily
to
renounce
it
,
that
he
might
not
be
one
day
forced
to
answer
both
to
God
and
Man
for
that
infinity
of
Crimes
and
Villanies
that
this
pretended
Priviledge
of
his
not
only
permits
,
but
Authorizes
too
.
And
yet
in
this
Discourse
of
Monsieur
Talon
,
we
cannot
find
so
much
as
the
least
Argument
,
nor
proof
of
any
thing
he
affirms
:
We
see
nothing
here
of
that
Pompons
and
borrowed
erudition
,
which
he
makes
so
much
use
of
in
his
other
Discourses
;
He
makes
but
little
use
here
of
those
large
common
places
,
of
the
enterprises
of
the
Court
of
Rome
,
and
of
the
Priviledges
of
the
Gallican
Church
:
this
Plea
of
his
is
nothing
but
a
bitter
and
perpetual
Satyr
against
the
Pope
and
the
Sacred
See
of
Rome
.
He
never
goes
about
to
prove
(
as
so
bold
an
Assertor
of
Novelty
ought
to
have
done
)
that
from
the
first
beginning
of
the
Monarchy
of
France
,
the
King
had
always
enjoyed
such
a
Privilege
as
this
in
Rome
,
never
offers
to
tell
us
how
and
in
what
manner
those
Priviledges
of
France
by
their
Kings
were
made
use
of
in
all
times
;
but
thinks
it
sufficient
to
say
,
that
That
Privilege
is
a
Right
of
the
French
Crown
,
from
which
this
King
desires
the
world
to
believe
he
will
never
depart
.
He
affirms
that
neither
Kings
,
nor
their
Ambassadors
can
be
Excommunicated
by
the
Pope
,
but
never
takes
upon
him
to
prove
it
,
no
more
then
he
does
to
shew
us
that
pretended
injustice
of
the
Interdict
of
the
Church
of
St.
Lewis
in
Rome
:
he
thinks
it
seems
a
shorter
and
faciler
way
of
dispute
,
barely
to
say
with
a
definitive
Gravity
,
Here
's
a
great
abuse
;
This
Wounds
the
Liberty
of
France
;
but
reasons
that
might
satisfy
such
Intelligent
and
Learned
men
as
may
not
only
read
,
but
search
perhaps
into
the
bottom
of
such
a
Controversy
as
this
,
he
gives
none
at
all
.
So
that
in
all
appearance
this
will
at
last
be
the
fate
of
this
famous
Advocate
so
much
vaunted
of
in
the
Gazette
of
France
,
that
this
Plea
of
his
will
give
all
Hereticks
and
Enemies
of
the
Church
an
excellent
occasion
to
triumph
,
All
Learned
and
Intelligent
men
good
ground
to
despise
him
;
All
Good
Catholicks
that
are
firm
in
the
Communion
of
the
Catholick
Church
sufficient
cause
to
look
upon
him
with
Indignation
and
Horror
:
Evil
men
themselves
will
blush
at
his
Confidence
,
and
the
Good
will
not
be
able
to
read
him
without
tears
;
when
they
shall
consider
that
under
a
King
that
professes
so
great
moderation
and
wisdom
,
such
a
declaimer
as
this
shall
be
suffered
to
appear
with
such
Insolence
against
the
head
of
the
Church
,
and
take
the
Confidence
to
Publish
such
Schismatick
Propositions
against
the
Pope
,
and
the
Church
of
Rome
.
But
this
above
all
must
needs
be
to
all
Good
Catholicks
a
most
insupportable
grief
,
to
see
that
those
very
men
in
whose
hands
the
King
trusts
all
the
Ecclesiastical
affairs
of
his
Kingdom
,
as
well
as
those
chief
Ministers
he
employs
at
Rome
,
are
so
far
from
blaming
these
rash
and
ill-considered
Propositions
of
this
Advocate-General
,
that
they
are
the
principal
fomentors
of
this
Rebellion
against
the
Sacred
See
,
the
only
Authors
and
Promoters
of
those
unworthy
calumnies
against
his
Holiness
,
and
the
men
that
most
rejoyce
to
see
that
grand
Reputation
which
this
Excellent
Pope
throughout
his
whole
Reign
by
so
many
great
and
glorious
actions
had
acquired
,
not
only
amongst
Catholicks
,
but
in
all
Nations
else
,
even
among
Schismaticks
themselves
,
whilst
his
Enemies
honour
him
,
whilst
Separatists
love
him
,
whilst
all
Christians
admire
him
;
that
That
Reputation
of
his
,
should
be
by
Catholicks
publickly
,
and
shamefully
torn
in
the
face
of
a
Catholick
,
Country
,
and
under
a
Most
Christian
King
.
I
have
endeavoured
all
I
can
to
put
this
Libell
into
some
kind
of
order
,
that
I
might
give
the
Reader
a
true
Idea
of
the
whole
piece
,
and
so
the
more
exactly
have
examined
it
some
and
some
;
but
this
Advocate
is
so
little
a
Friend
to
Order
and
Method
in
what
he
Writes
,
that
we
must
refute
his
Arguments
but
as
we
find
'em
,
and
take
'em
as
they
come
.
His
whole
Plea
seems
to
consist
of
these
Principal
Heads
.
The
Advocate
's
outrageous
injuries
against
the
Pope
;
His
Complaints
of
the
Pope's
Conduct
in
the
affairs
of
France
;
The
Errors
he
broaches
against
the
Authority
of
the
Roman
Church
,
that
Mother
and
Mistress
of
all
others
;
The
pittifull
Chicanneries
he
employs
to
give
the
King
of
France
those
Cymerical
Rights
contrary
to
all
Laws
Humane
and
Divine
,
and
such
as
the
basest
of
Flatterers
never
allow'd
him
'till
now
.
This
is
as
near
as
I
can
collect
the
sum
of
his
Plea
.
The
first
Calumny
with
which
Monsieur
Talon
reproaches
the
Pope
,
is
this
:
That
his
Holiness
has
been
conceived
this
many
years
to
have
had
a
design
to
declare
himself
Enemy
to
France
,
still
favouring
those
who
either
were
Enemies
,
or
were
jealous
at
least
of
the
greatness
and
power
of
that
King
.
Since
this
Advocate
has
aspersed
his
Holiness
with
so
black
a
Calumny
as
this
,
it
might
be
very
well
expected
he
should
give
us
some
proof
of
what
he
says
;
let
him
shew
therefore
what
leagues
the
Pope
has
made
with
the
Enemies
of
France
.
Let
him
tell
us
in
what
ill
Enterprize
,
or
in
what
violent
action
this
Pope
has
been
concerned
.
But
he
can
shew
us
no
such
thing
.
This
Pope
never
took
any
thing
so
much
to
heart
as
the
Uniting
of
the
Christian
Princes
,
nor
ever
desired
any
thing
more
then
to
give
the
King
of
France
all
the
signs
imaginable
of
his
particular
esteem
,
and
Paternal
affection
.
As
for
Leagues
this
Pope
never
made
any
,
but
that
Holy
one
of
as
many
Christian
Princes
as
could
,
by
the
best
endeavours
he
was
able
to
use
,
be
induced
to
oppose
the
Ottoman
Emperour
,
that
Common
Enemy
of
Christendom
;
where
those
miraculous
Successes
of
the
Christian
Arms
have
sufficiently
demonstrated
how
much
the
endeavours
of
so
good
a
Pope
were
seconded
by
extraordinary
blessings
from
God
.
Though
his
Holiness
indeed
could
not
oftentimes
without
great
Tenderness
and
trouble
behold
how
too
too
easily
a
Prince
otherwise
so
Pious
,
and
Just
,
as
his
Most
Christian
Majesty
always
appeared
,
whilst
he
was
pleased
to
follow
his
own
Royal
inclinations
,
did
at
last
absolutely
abandon
himself
to
the
pernicious
Councells
of
some
of
his
Ecclesiastical
Ministers
.
With
what
Charity
did
this
great
Pope
represent
to
his
Christian
Majesty
the
Injustice
Committed
,
and
Injuries
done
in
his
name
,
by
extending
the
Regalia
upon
four
Provinces
that
had
ever
been
free
?
With
what
grief
did
he
see
so
many
Holy
Bishops
and
good
Priests
of
the
Church
,
Persecuted
so
bitterly
in
the
name
of
his
Christian
Majesty
,
for
no
other
Crime
then
defending
the
immunities
of
their
several
Churches
,
which
the
Bishops
of
France
had
for
near
these
Eight
Hundred
years
so
generously
defended
,
and
so
stoutly
maintained
,
and
which
Monsieur
de
Marca
,
as
devoted
as
he
was
to
the
Court
,
yet
compell'd
by
the
force
of
truth
it self
,
did
ingeniously
confess
;
with
what
grief
did
he
think
of
the
dissolving
of
the
Institute
of
the
Nunns
of
the
Infancy
,
which
had
been
Authoriz'd
by
the
Bishops
of
the
Diocess
,
approved
by
Popes
,
confirmed
by
Letters
Patents
,
and
that
contrary
to
all
Order
,
and
without
any
regular
form
of
Justice
?
What
grief
was
it
to
him
to
see
on
one
side
the
Destruction
of
the
Monastery
of
Charonne
,
and
on
the
other
side
,
the
violent
Establishment
of
Abbesses
in
the
Houses
of
the
Urbanists
,
contrary
both
to
Civil
and
Canon
Law
?
What
grief
was
it
to
him
,
to
see
what
continual
Usurpations
the
Lay-Judges
made
in
France
,
as
well
upon
the
Liberties
,
as
Jurisdictions
of
the
Church
?
What
grief
must
it
have
been
to
him
to
see
how
shamefully
the
Church
of
France
was
forced
to
serve
under
the
Yoke
of
those
Persons
whose
Lives
were
but
too
well
known
;
that
a
Church
,
I
say
,
where
nothing
but
Liberty
is
talked
of
,
should
be
so
enslaved
to
Parliaments
which
make
no
scruple
at
all
to
take
Cognizance
of
the
most
Spiritual
matters
,
and
to
exercise
their
Jurisdiction
upon
all
holy
things
with
more
haughtiness
in
their
Usurped
Power
,
then
the
legallest
General
Councils
ever
did
,
or
the
Sovereign
Popes
themselves
?
What
a
grief
was
it
to
him
to
see
all
the
Principal
Abbeys
as
well
of
the
conquered
Countries
,
as
of
the
ample
Kingdom
of
France
given
in
great
Commendum
without
the
Authority
of
the
Church
,
and
contrary
to
all
Canon
Law
;
to
see
what
manifest
intrusions
were
Authorized
in
obliging
the
Bishops
to
remove
and
abandon
their
Lawfull
Spouses
,
those
Flocks
to
which
they
properly
belonged
,
into
the
hands
of
new
Bishops
nominated
only
by
the
King
,
whilst
they
went
themselves
to
govern
other
Churches
that
did
not
belong
to
their
care
.
To
see
a
Bishop
transferr'd
make
his
own
Vicar
;
to
see
the
Chapters
,
in
the
vacancies
of
Bishopricks
,
not
only
forced
against
their
will
,
but
in
spight
of
their
Conscience
too
,
name
for
Grand
Vicar
those
whom
the
King
intends
to
bestow
the
Bishopricks
upon
,
and
banish
all
such
Prebends
as
refuse
to
Elect
the
person
which
the
King
had
designed
to
promote
.
What
trouble
was
it
to
him
to
think
that
the
Bishops
of
France
,
which
formerly
by
their
extraordinary
respect
,
and
profoundest
submission
,
were
so
intimately
united
with
the
Head
of
the
Church
,
now
instead
of
applying
themselves
thither
,
should
declare
open
War
against
him
?
As
they
did
in
the
Letter
to
the
King
sent
from
the
extraordinary
Assembly
of
the
Year
1680.
Subscribed
by
all
the
Bishops
,
when
it
never
had
been
read
by
half
those
that
were
there
.
And
again
in
those
deliberations
that
were
taken
against
the
Authority
of
the
Sacred
See
in
the
Assembly
of
1682.
Proceedings
very
different
from
those
the
Clergy
of
France
at
the
meeting
of
the
Estates
in
the
Year
1616.
published
to
the
World
by
that
admirable
mouth
of
the
Gallican
Church
,
Cardinal
Peronne
,
or
from
those
Articles
which
were
drawn
up
in
the
Year
1625.
for
the
re-establishment
of
the
Catholick
Faith
,
and
for
the
restoring
the
Ecclesiastical
Discipline
in
the
Kingdom
of
France
.
But
then
the
French
Prelates
acted
of
themselves
,
and
animated
with
the
Spirit
of
Religion
:
in
these
later
Assemblies
influenced
by
the
Impression
of
the
Court
,
they
acted
more
like
a
Caball
then
an
Ecclesiastical
Assembly
,
rather
as
their
fear
then
as
their
Reason
and
Learning
directed
'em
,
which
made
a
Bishop
the
least
scrupulous
perhaps
in
that
Assembly
of
1682.
(
giving
a
Friend
of
his
an
account
of
what
had
passed
there
)
say
not
much
amiss
,
that
those
French
Bishops
had
at
that
time
parted
with
,
besides
their
Wealth
,
their
Honour
and
Consciences
too
.
And
what
trouble
do
you
think
it
was
to
him
to
see
the
Clergy
of
France
once
so
Orthodoxal
and
exemplar
,
that
they
were
by
their
Piety
,
and
Learning
,
and
Sacerdotal
vigour
known
and
distinguish'd
from
all
other
men
,
now
so
fallen
from
that
Primitive
Spirit
of
theirs
,
that
the
Bishops
poorly
and
shamefully
abandon
their
Rights
,
and
the
Priviledges
of
their
Churches
without
ever
daring
so
much
as
to
open
their
mouths
to
complain
?
But
above
all
,
it
must
needs
afflict
that
Father
and
Protector
of
Christianity
the
Head
of
the
Christian
Church
,
to
see
so
many
good
Priests
,
so
many
Learned
Doctors
proscrib'd
,
persecuted
,
imprison'd
,
banish'd
,
and
driven
from
their
Benefices
and
Employments
by
Letters
under
the
Kings
Seal
without
any
Legal
Process
,
without
any
reason
in
the
world
,
nay
sometimes
without
so
much
as
acquainting
the
Bishop
of
the
Diocess
to
whom
they
belonged
:
and
this
only
upon
those
general
Accusations
of
Jansenism
,
which
at
present
,
it
seems
,
must
be
the
common
ruine
of
all
those
good
Priests
,
and
all
those
innocent
men
which
do
not
relish
at
Court
.
Nay
though
these
Ecclesiasticks
,
to
justify
themselves
positively
declare
that
they
do
absolutely
condemn
,
and
have
ever
condemned
the
Doctrine
contained
in
those
five
condemned
Propositions
of
Jansenius
;
yet
they
are
not
to
be
believed
,
though
certainly
in
matters
of
Religion
no
man
without
a
high
injustice
can
but
believe
that
profession
of
Faith
which
every
one
makes
for
himself
.
But
they
continue
still
to
upbraid
'em
,
that
they
are
of
the
Caball
;
that
they
are
under
suspition
of
Jansenism
;
that
their
Moral
is
rotten
,
and
with
an
infinity
of
such
other
terms
,
which
signifies
no
more
in
effect
but
that
they
are
Persons
which
do
not
please
those
who
have
in
the
Court
of
France
the
super-intendency
of
Ecclesiastical
affairs
.
Monsieur
Talon
complains
very
much
of
the
Roman
Inquisition
:
But
if
on
the
one
side
he
did
but
know
how
things
are
carried
at
that
Tribunal
,
with
what
attention
they
hear
the
accusations
that
are
brought
against
any
man
,
with
what
application
every
mans
justification
and
answers
are
examined
;
with
what
maturity
they
decide
;
and
on
the
other
side
do
but
reflect
how
at
present
they
try
,
and
judge
the
Ecclesiasticks
in
France
;
how
they
are
Condemned
without
ever
being
heard
,
without
ever
being
made
acquainted
with
what
their
Adversaries
have
against
'em
,
without
over
being
confronted
with
their
Accusers
and
Witnesses
,
nay
without
so
much
as
consulting
the
Bishops
of
the
Diocess
in
the
matter
at
all
,
in
a
word
without
any
form
or
semblance
of
juridical
process
,
and
only
upon
a
bare
letter
of
—
that
in
this
manner
so
many
irreprehensible
Ecclesiasticks
should
be
detained
in
horrid
Prisons
,
or
sent
away
to
the
remotest
and
savagest
parts
of
the
Kingdom
of
France
without
Money
,
without
any
help
or
comfort
whatsoever
,
and
without
the
least
hope
of
ever
returning
to
their
Country
again
,
and
without
knowing
all
this
while
upon
what
account
they
suffer
.
Monsieur
Talon
as
much
as
he
is
prepossess'd
,
would
,
I
believe
,
conclude
in
his
heart
at
least
,
though
he
should
not
vouchsafe
to
own
the
truth
publickly
,
that
in
France
we
bear
a
heavier
and
much
more
insupportable
Yoke
then
those
at
Rome
;
and
that
the
Inquisition
of
those
supreme
Ministers
,
in
whose
hands
his
Majesty
of
France
is
pleased
to
intrust
the
Ecclesiastical
affairs
of
this
Nation
,
is
without
comparison
harder
than
the
Inquisition
of
either
Rome
or
Spain
,
which
in
France
they
rail
at
so
much
,
without
ever
knowing
any
thing
of
the
proceedings
of
those
Courts
:
and
alas
!
without
making
all
this
while
the
least
reflection
upon
those
so
violent
and
irregular
proceedings
,
which
are
used
in
France
against
the
best
and
most
irreprehensible
men
,
when
any
of
them
have
the
misfortune
to
have
for
their
Enemies
those
which
are
in
favour
at
Court
.
The
Pope
saw
long
ago
these
Mischiefs
,
and
sees
'em
still
,
with
an
infinity
of
other
Evills
which
would
be
too
tedious
to
relate
.
He
has
sigh'd
for
'em
before
Almighty
God
,
he
has
represented
'em
to
the
King
in
his
briefs
,
with
all
the
tenderness
that
his
paternal
Charity
could
suggest
;
some
of
'em
he
declared
by
his
Nuncio's
.
And
if
this
be
,
to
be
Enemy
of
France
,
to
be
tenderly
concerned
at
their
Miseries
,
to
sigh
for
'em
in
the
presence
of
God
,
to
advertise
the
King
out
of
his
Fatherly
care
,
that
remedies
might
be
had
:
If
this
be
,
to
be
Enemy
of
France
,
to
defend
the
Liberties
of
the
Church
,
to
desire
the
Reformation
of
the
Clergy
,
to
endeavour
the
ease
of
Persons
unjustly
afflicted
,
then
we
will
yield
to
Monsieur
Talon
,
that
the
Pope
is
a
declared
Enemy
of
France
;
though
certainly
he
can
be
Enemy
no
otherwise
to
that
State
,
then
a
carefull
Phisician
is
to
the
Patient
he
endeavours
to
recover
;
or
then
a
wise
and
affectionate
Father
is
to
his
Child
,
when
he
endeavours
to
make
him
sensible
of
his
faults
.
The
Second
head
of
Monsieur
Talon's
complaint
against
the
Pope
,
(
if
yet
the
Complaint
be
his
)
for
it
has
so
little
report
with
what
goes
before
,
and
that
which
comes
after
,
that
it
looks
as
if
it
had
been
inserted
into
the
discourse
:
however
it
was
,
he
complains
in
his
Second
head
of
this
Plea
,
that
the
Pope
entertains
particular
correspondence
with
all
those
who
formerly
were
the
declared
Disciples
of
Jansenius
;
that
he
loads
them
with
his
graces
and
favours
,
gives
great
Elogiums
of
'em
,
and
declares
himself
their
Protector
.
But
who
are
those
declared
Disciples
of
Jansenius
upon
whom
the
Pope
heaps
so
many
graces
and
favours
,
of
whom
he
gives
such
Elogiums
,
and
of
whom
he
declares
himself
the
Protector
?
Monsieur
Talon
ought
to
clear
us
that
point
;
but
let
him
have
a
care
when
he
does
it
,
that
he
do
not
appear
rather
a
Caluminator
,
then
any
thing
else
,
and
that
he
do
not
openly
contradict
those
Declarations
of
the
King
,
which
forbid
him
to
look
upon
any
of
those
as
Jansenists
or
Sectaries
either
,
who
have
submitted
to
the
Constitutions
of
the
Pope
against
Jansenius
,
and
have
not
any
ways
been
publickly
convicted
or
condemned
upon
that
account
,
by
the
censures
of
an
Ecclesiastical
Judge
.
But
that
you
may
see
his
insolence
to
the
full
,
he
has
the
Confidence
to
affirm
that
the
Pope
supports
and
foments
the
Caball
of
the
Jansenists
.
And
this
he
is
suffered
to
say
in
a
most
Christian
Kingdom
.
This
is
suffered
to
be
placed
at
the
head
of
a
Decree
that
bears
the
name
of
the
most
Christian
King
.
And
such
a
Calumny
as
this
goes
on
and
spreads
without
the
least
notice
taken
,
or
any
thought
had
of
making
satisfaction
to
the
head
of
the
Church
.
And
is
this
the
respect
we
shew
the
Pope
?
Is
it
thus
the
Kingdom
of
France
acknowledges
him
?
What
Priest
or
Bishop
then
,
let
him
be
as
Innocent
as
he
will
,
can
ever
hope
to
secure
himself
from
such
calumnies
as
these
,
If
the
Pope
,
and
such
a
Pope
as
this
,
so
Pious
,
so
Zealous
to
maintain
the
Catholick
Faith
in
its
purity
,
as
his
present
Holiness
is
,
cannot
escape
such
publick
and
impudent
calumnies
as
these
?
But
't
is
not
enough
to
make
the
Pope
appear
a
favourer
of
Hereticks
in
France
,
but
that
they
may
render
him
odious
too
in
Italy
and
Spain
.
Monsieur
Talon
complains
of
a
supine
Negligence
and
strange
backwardness
in
the
Pope
,
because
he
did
not
suppress
the
Quietists
more
speedily
then
he
did
;
And
yet
with
what
Zeal
and
Indignation
has
he
proceeded
against
that
Infamous
Sect
?
What
greater
care
then
has
been
,
could
have
been
taken
to
get
that
bad
Doctrine
Condemned
,
since
the
first
time
that
the
Impostor
Molina
was
first
convicted
?
't
is
true
his
Holiness
,
when
any
Priests
were
to
be
judged
,
would
not
suffer
Sentence
to
be
too
much
precipitated
against
'em
,
nor
suffer
his
Judges
to
act
by
humour
,
or
as
if
they
were
influenced
by
a
Caball
;
He
thought
it
fit
to
make
some
difference
betwixt
the
Author
of
a
Sect
,
and
those
,
who
(
deluded
by
such
Impostors
)
with
too
much
obstinacy
perhaps
had
adher'd
to
the
Errors
of
other
men
,
surprized
it
may
be
,
with
the
false
appearance
of
the
Piety
,
which
the
Molinists
made
a
great
shew
of
for
above
Twenty
years
.
In
all
which
the
Pope
has
done
no
more
then
the
Canons
of
the
Church
,
and
the
Decretal
Letters
of
his
Predecessors
have
prescribed
.
But
because
the
Pope
does
not
think
fit
to
crush
persons
of
the
Highest
Quality
,
and
men
of
Exemplar
Piety
,
who
have
ever
owned
an
humble
and
faithfull
Submission
to
the
Sacreed
See
,
and
to
the
Church
;
Therefore
if
we
believe
Monsieur
Talon
,
he
carries
himself
sleepily
,
and
as
if
he
were
in
a
Lethargy
,
towards
the
Quietists
.
When
the
Pope
,
some
years
ago
by
a
solemn
Decree
condemned
the
infamous
Errours
of
the
corrupted
Moral
of
the
Casuists
,
the
Parliament
of
Paris
opposed
it
,
and
forbid
the
Publication
of
the
Decree
because
the
Inquisition
was
mentioned
in
it
.
But
when
the
Pope
does
not
think
fit
to
Sacrifice
Eminent
Prelates
and
men
of
an
Extraordinary
Merit
to
the
passion
of
their
Adversaries
,
and
because
he
thinks
fit
to
do
nothing
without
mature
deliberation
,
and
after
a
strict
and
serious
examination
in
his
Judgment
of
the
Molinists
,
they
complain
he
does
not
act
with
ardour
enough
;
and
they
are
impatient
till
they
can
improve
the
Decisions
of
the
Inquisition
now
,
as
odious
as
that
Tribunal
was
to
Monsieur
Talon
upon
all
other
occasions
,
and
especially
when
it
condemned
the
Errours
and
Laxities
of
the
bad
Casuists
of
our
time
.
Finally
this
able
Orator
finds
great
fault
that
we
look
upon
this
Pope
as
a
Model
of
Piety
and
Virtue
.
He
takes
all
those
for
Disciples
of
Jansenius
,
he
says
,
which
erect
such
Altars
to
his
Holiness
:
But
truly
this
Magistrate
must
needs
be
mightily
transported
with
Passion
,
or
strangely
prepossest
to
believe
that
this
Pope
has
no
other
Esteemers
nor
Admirers
but
that
despicable
handfull
of
men
here
and
there
dispersed
,
and
hid
up
and
down
,
which
to
day
are
called
Jansenists
;
when
all
Europe
mean
while
honours
him
with
so
much
admiration
as
it
does
,
and
looks
upon
him
as
a
Pope
which
God
out
of
his
extraordinary
mercy
has
sent
his
Church
in
so
corrupted
an
Age
as
this
,
to
let
us
see
that
his
hand
is
not
straitned
,
and
that
he
can
at
all
times
raise
up
faithfull
Pastours
to
his
Church
,
and
men
according
to
his
own
heart
,
though
the
World
be
not
worthy
of
them
.
The
City
of
Rome
before
his
promotion
to
the
Sacred
See
,
look'd
upon
him
as
a
Person
the
most
worthy
of
that
Supreme
Dignity
of
any
in
the
world
.
And
the
effects
God
be
thanked
,
have
answered
the
hopes
which
all
men
had
of
him
then
.
That
unconcernedness
of
his
in
all
Temporal
Affairs
so
well
known
to
the
world
,
as
well
in
regard
of
his
Person
in
particular
,
as
of
his
Family
,
who
are
none
of
'em
now
any
richer
then
when
he
was
first
promoted
to
the
Papacy
.
That
continual
and
earnest
application
to
put
the
Apostolical
Chamber
in
better
order
and
into
a
better
Condition
which
for
these
many
years
had
been
exhausted
and
beggar'd
.
His
Indefatigable
care
and
pains
for
uniting
the
Princes
of
Europe
against
the
common
Enemy
of
Christendom
,
the
Treasure
that
he
has
so
profusely
spent
to
that
purpose
,
and
for
the
universal
good
of
the
Christian
World
.
The
strange
blessings
of
God
that
followed
his
endeavours
in
such
total
Victories
over
that
Enemy
of
Christianity
,
and
that
panick
fear
the
Infidels
minds
were
so
often
filled
with
;
in
which
the
hand
of
God
so
evidently
appeared
:
the
safety
of
Germany
which
that
Emperour
owes
chiefly
to
the
glorious
endeavours
of
this
great
Pope
.
Then
his
great
aversion
from
all
kind
of
Pride
;
the
freest
from
Nepotism
of
any
;
His
exemplar
Piety
always
equal
and
always
the
same
;
his
great
firmness
of
Mind
,
uncapable
of
being
shaken
;
to
say
nothing
of
all
his
other
more
Personal
Virtues
,
which
those
who
are
about
him
are
better
able
to
know
then
we
,
at
this
distance
,
can
do
.
All
these
things
,
I
say
,
must
needs
be
look'd
upon
by
the
world
as
the
admirable
effects
of
his
high
and
extraordinary
Virtues
;
and
will
be
doubtless
the
eternal
Monuments
of
that
Glory
of
his
which
the
Envy
and
Malignity
of
his
Enemies
will
never
be
able
to
obscure
.
After
all
those
black
Calumnies
thrown
upon
the
Pope
,
Monsieur
Talon
makes
yet
other
Complaints
against
his
Conduct
in
the
Gallican
Affairs
:
but
that
which
he
insists
upon
most
,
and
where
he
hopes
to
have
the
greatest
advantage
,
is
that
his
Holiness
refuses
to
supply
the
vacant
Bishopricks
of
France
upon
the
Kings
nomination
,
as
he
used
in
that
Kingdom
to
do
;
that
above
the
third
part
of
the
Churches
of
France
are
at
this
time
without
Pastours
,
and
that
if
the
Pope
will
not
execute
the
Concordat
,
his
Majesty
may
Lawfully
break
it
too
on
his
side
,
and
appoint
Bishops
in
the
name
of
the
People
,
of
which
he
is
undoubtedly
the
head
.
Would
to
God
the
Concordat
were
but
as
Religiously
executed
in
France
as
it
is
in
Rome
,
there
would
not
then
be
seen
in
this
Kingdom
of
France
so
many
abuses
as
all
good
men
have
so
long
grieved
to
see
;
and
which
indeed
are
the
more
deplorable
,
because
there
is
no
remedy
to
be
had
.
But
to
come
to
the
Fact
in
Question
,
the
Pope
never
did
refuse
to
provide
for
those
Bishopricks
where
the
King
had
nominated
,
if
the
Persons
named
were
so
qualified
,
as
the
Canons
and
Concordat
require
.
But
the
Pope
pretends
that
by
the
words
of
the
Concordat
,
it
belongs
to
him
and
his
Successors
,
to
examine
whether
the
Persons
named
by
the
King
have
the
Qualities
required
,
or
no
:
and
that
those
that
have
them
not
,
lose
for
that
very
reason
immediately
the
right
which
they
have
by
the
King's
nomination
,
who
is
obliged
within
three
Months
after
such
exceptions
made
by
the
Pope
to
nominate
again
such
others
as
shall
have
the
Qualities
required
.
But
the
Pope
is
not
bound
to
shew
cause
why
he
refuses
,
and
therefore
no
body
can
Judge
of
the
reasons
of
his
refusal
but
himself
.
't
is
true
,
the
Pope
ought
not
to
make
such
refusal
without
a
Lawfull
cause
:
his
Conscience
indeed
is
charged
with
it
in
the
sight
of
God
:
but
no
Power
upon
Earth
has
any
right
to
take
Cognizance
of
,
much
less
,
to
Judge
of
that
refusal
of
the
Pope's
,
or
to
force
him
to
establish
those
that
are
unworthy
and
not
qualified
for
the
place
;
or
to
fall
off
from
the
Concordat
upon
that
account
.
It
is
no
difficult
thing
in
this
to
justify
the
right
of
the
Pope
,
we
need
but
only
look
upon
the
text
of
the
Concordat
,
and
then
take
notice
of
what
has
pass'd
since
in
France
;
we
shall
find
in
the
Letters
of
Cardinal
D'Ossat
,
that
René
Benoist
Confessor
to
Henry
the
Fourth
,
was
never
able
to
get
the
Pope's
Bulls
for
the
Bishoprick
of
Troyes
,
for
which
he
had
been
nominated
by
the
King
,
notwithstanding
all
the
instance
that
was
made
by
the
Ambassadours
of
the
King
and
all
the
Cardinals
of
France
.
And
no
body
,
I
think
,
can
be
ignorant
of
the
Story
of
that
famous
Abbot
(
whose
name
shall
be
here
concealed
)
that
was
nominated
for
a
certain
Bishoprick
by
the
late
King
of
France
Lewis
the
Thirteenth
with
the
greatest
Elogiums
that
could
be
;
And
yet
could
never
obtain
of
the
Pope
an
Establishment
in
that
Bishoprick
for
some
shamefull
Disorders
of
his
,
of
which
private
information
was
given
to
the
Pope
.
Well
,
but
you
'l
say
,
the
Pope
has
refused
to
establish
by
his
Bulls
above
five
and
thirty
of
those
Bishops
which
are
nominated
by
the
King
of
France
.
Monsieur
Talon
is
extreamly
mistaken
:
For
the
Pope
of
himself
refused
but
only
two
,
who
had
both
been
of
the
Assembly
of
1682.
and
had
there
Subscribed
to
all
those
Resolutions
which
were
then
taken
against
the
Pope
:
but
the
rest
happen'd
not
to
be
Established
because
those
of
that
Assembly
who
were
charged
with
Misdemeanour
in
the
Court
of
Rome
,
whether
by
any
Order
from
the
King
,
or
of
their
own
accord
,
I
know
not
,
did
absolutely
declare
that
since
these
two
were
not
admitted
by
his
Holiness
,
they
would
not
propose
any
more
.
It
is
not
our
business
here
to
censure
the
carriage
of
that
Assembly
towards
the
Pope
:
but
I
think
it
would
have
become
their
Prudence
better
,
not
to
have
engaged
the
King
their
Master
to
make
so
ill
a
Step
.
Other
Ministers
would
have
used
their
best
endeavours
to
have
maintained
a
good
Correspondence
betwixt
the
Pope
,
and
the
King
;
They
should
have
considered
of
the
Complaints
made
against
the
nominated
Bishops
,
and
either
have
endeavoured
to
have
justified
them
,
or
at
least
to
have
excused
them
,
or
to
have
found
some
means
or
other
to
have
satisfied
his
Holiness
,
that
he
might
at
least
have
accepted
of
those
Persons
which
were
nominated
by
the
King
;
But
those
sweet
and
handsom
ways
of
proceeding
with
the
Pope
,
are
with
those
Gentlemen
,
grown
quite
out
of
use
.
They
take
very
different
ways
from
these
,
and
instead
of
facilitating
affairs
,
desire
rather
to
hamper
'em
more
.
But
this
is
certain
according
to
the
words
of
the
Concordat
:
If
Briefs
of
nomination
to
any
Bishoprick
vacant
be
not
within
the
first
six
Months
of
the
vacancy
presented
to
the
Pope
,
his
Holiness
then
has
full
Right
and
Absolute
Power
to
provide
and
Establish
what
Bishops
he
pleases
,
so
that
instead
of
complaining
of
those
so
many
vacant
Sees
in
France
,
they
should
rather
admire
&
commend
the
Pope's
Moderation
,
who
for
the
good
of
the
Christian
Church
,
would
rather
in
such
Cases
not
stand
upon
his
utmost
Right
,
nor
make
use
of
his
Absolute
Power
,
in
suddenly
preferring
who
he
pleased
,
as
he
might
.
Therefore
if
we
consider
the
business
well
,
't
is
to
the
ill
Conduct
of
the
Court
of
France
that
we
must
attribute
those
so
long
vacancies
of
Bishopricks
in
France
;
and
not
to
any
morose
humour
of
the
Pope
,
who
acts
in
all
these
things
not
according
to
Humour
,
but
according
to
Reason
,
by
Principles
of
Justice
and
Conscience
,
always
ready
to
grant
his
Bulls
and
to
confirm
the
nominations
of
the
King
whensoever
he
pleases
to
present
such
Persons
as
are
endowed
with
Qualities
requisite
for
such
Employments
as
those
.
And
the
Pope
indeed
is
resolved
,
I
believe
,
never
to
promote
those
,
that
he
shall
find
unworthy
,
notwithstanding
all
the
instances
that
can
be
made
,
and
notwithstanding
those
abominable
injuries
of
Monsieur
Talon
,
who
certainly
deserves
in
all
reason
in
the
world
,
to
be
removed
from
his
Employment
,
'till
such
time
as
he
has
made
ample
and
publick
satisfaction
for
all
these
Villanous
Calumnies
which
he
has
so
injuriously
thrown
upon
the
Pope
in
this
Defamatory
Libel
of
his
.
But
Monsieur
Talon
,
it
may
be
will
say
,
that
the
Pope
refuses
his
Bulls
in
France
,
because
they
will
not
believe
his
infallibility
,
nor
own
him
Superiour
to
generall
Councills
.
In
this
Monsieur
Talon
is
mightily
mistaken
,
for
t'
was
not
only
upon
that
account
that
the
Pope
refused
his
Bulls
to
those
two
Ecclesiasticks
,
which
as
were
mention'd
before
,
has
been
nominated
by
the
King
for
Bishopricks
;
They
know
very
well
at
Rome
what
the
opinions
of
the
Paris
Doctors
were
upon
this
point
,
in
the
time
of
the
Councill
of
Constance
and
of
Basil
,
and
though
that
opinion
of
theirs
be
rejected
and
disapproved
by
the
more
Orthodox
men
,
yet
they
have
not
in
that
been
yet
expressly
condemned
or
anathematiz'd
by
the
Pope
.
Then
those
Ecclesiasticks
had
openly
declared
themselves
against
the
Pope
in
an
Assembly
of
Bishops
(
which
if
we
believe
themselves
)
was
assembled
for
no
other
cause
but
to
reunite
the
Pope
and
the
King
,
and
to
settle
a
good
correspondence
betwixt
the
Clergy
and
the
Civill
Magistracy
of
that
Nation
,
and
had
yet
taken
upon
them
with
the
rest
of
that
Assembly
to
determine
,
in
asmuch
as
in
them
lay
,
the
business
of
the
Regalia
,
which
yet
was
undoubtedly
one
of
those
great
and
more
considerable
causes
which
under
the
name
of
causae
majores
,
as
well
by
the
new
as
by
the
ancient
Canons
,
are
reserved
to
the
Sacred
See
,
and
by
the
express
words
of
the
Concordat
;
and
which
besides
was
devolved
to
his
Holiness
at
that
time
by
just
and
juridicall
appeals
.
But
those
Ecclesiasticks
then
assembled
were
so
far
from
joyning
themselves
with
their
head
in
this
conjuncture
to
defend
their
own
liberties
,
that
they
took
all
occasion
they
could
to
quarrel
with
the
Pope
their
master
,
took
upon
'em
to
limit
his
power
,
without
any
reason
at
all
,
without
any
necessity
,
and
undoubtedly
without
any
legitimate
power
.
These
were
as
near
as
I
can
Judge
the
reasons
which
forced
the
Pope
to
refuse
his
Bulls
to
those
nominated
Bishops
which
had
been
in
this
Assembly
before
,
and
had
Subscribed
and
approved
all
the
decisions
that
then
were
made
against
the
Authority
of
the
Pope
.
And
indeed
could
ever
any
thing
be
stranger
in
the
Church
of
God
,
then
to
see
the
Bishops
of
a
Catholick
Country
rise
up
so
Rebelliously
against
their
Head
,
a
Pope
so
exemplar
and
of
so
holy
a
Life
as
his
present
Holiness
is
,
and
one
that
never
had
any
quarrel
with
the
King
of
France
,
but
because
he
defended
the
Liberties
of
the
Churches
of
France
,
and
maintained
the
just
pretensions
of
the
Bishops
of
those
four
Conquered
Provinces
against
the
Usurpation
of
the
Regalia
,
which
the
King
of
France
pretended
to
impose
where-ever
he
Conquered
the
Place
.
A
rare
occasion
for
those
Prelates
to
draw
up
a
Declaration
as
they
did
against
the
Ecclesiasticall
power
,
without
ever
having
been
impowered
from
their
Provinces
to
treat
a
matter
of
so
great
importance
,
they
themselves
having
been
too
for
the
most
part
chosen
(
as
all
the
world
very
well
knows
)
in
the
Provinciall
Assemblies
by
violence
,
and
by
the
power
of
the
French
Court
,
and
not
with
that
liberty
of
Suffrages
which
ought
to
have
been
.
Besides
it
was
very
well
known
that
all
these
points
which
pass'd
in
that
Assembly
were
not
all
put
to
the
vote
,
and
that
neither
the
Bishops
,
nor
the
other
Deputies
that
were
there
,
had
the
liberty
to
think
as
they
pleas'd
,
or
freely
to
deliver
their
opinions
:
All
being
concluded
as
the
President
thought
fit
or
rather
by
the
power
and
inclination
of
the
French
Court
.
It
is
not
our
business
here
to
examin
the
four
propositions
of
that
Declaration
,
and
the
manner
of
their
penning
:
That
has
been
done
already
with
vigour
enough
:
and
those
pittifull
Chicanneries
of
P.
Maimbourg
(
a
fit
defender
of
such
an
Assembly
)
have
been
so
batter'd
and
broken
already
,
that
it
would
be
to
little
purpose
to
treat
of
that
matter
at
length
any
more
.
't
is
enough
if
we
say
,
that
that
Assembly
went
farther
then
the
Bishops
of
the
Councill
of
Basil
,
and
all
the
Richerists
,
and
that
they
flew
in
the
face
of
the
Papall
Authority
with
higher
and
far
less
moderation
then
they
.
The
first
said
only
,
that
there
were
some
particular
and
extraordinary
cases
in
which
the
Pope
was
inferiour
to
generall
Councills
:
as
in
that
of
Schism
,
Heresie
,
and
other
insufferable
disorders
,
but
these
Gentlemen
of
the
French
Assembly
cut
off
all
his
Authority
at
a
Stroak
,
and
say
,
that
the
Pope
in
all
cases
is
inferiour
to
a
generall
Councill
;
so
that
according
to
these
Gentlemens
opinion
,
a
Council
that
were
legally
called
,
and
that
might
consequently
proceed
to
the
condemning
of
Heresies
,
could
not
be
dissolved
by
the
Pope
.
If
these
Bishops
had
well
perused
the
resolutions
of
that
Assembly
in
France
of
1625.
they
would
have
found
that
their
Predecessours
defin'd
clearly
against
the
Richerists
,
and
established
a
doctrine
in
the
Galliean
Church
quite
contrary
to
those
Gentlemens
late
Declaration
.
And
if
they
had
but
maturely
considered
the
Acts
reported
in
the
Councils
,
they
would
have
found
the
matter
quite
otherwise
then
they
seem
to
suppose
,
and
that
indeed
there
is
scarce
any
case
in
which
the
Pope
is
subject
to
a
generall
Councill
;
their
Decisions
and
Laws
being
of
no
force
,
nor
Authority
till
they
are
confirmed
by
the
Sacred
and
Apostolick
See
,
and
by
the
head
of
the
Church
.
This
boldness
and
temerity
of
the
Deputies
of
the
Assembly
,
was
it
not
enough
to
render
'em
suspected
,
and
to
give
all
men
good
ground
to
think
that
they
did
not
look
upon
the
Pope
as
that
head
of
the
Uniuersall
Church
which
all
the
Faithfull
ought
to
obey
?
And
such
a
carraige
as
this
,
so
far
from
that
profound
respect
which
all
good
Catholicks
owe
to
the
Pope
their
Supreme
Soveraign
in
Ecclesiasticall
affairs
,
was
it
not
enough
to
oblige
his
Holyness
to
suspend
his
Bulls
till
such
time
as
he
could
be
better
informed
of
their
opinions
;
and
till
they
had
made
him
some
kind
of
satisfaction
at
least
for
so
great
a
fault
?
Besides
,
the
Pope
,
as
I
think
I
have
told
you
before
,
offered
to
grant
his
Bulls
to
any
other
of
the
Kings
nomination
,
but
only
such
as
were
of
that
Assembly
,
which
Mounsieur
Talon
has
taken
great
care
to
conceal
.
Did
not
his
Holiness
promote
to
the
Bishoprick
of
Queback
in
New
France
,
the
Abbot
of
St.
Valier
upon
the
nomination
of
the
most
Christian
King
?
What
does
the
Pope
do
then
in
this
behalf
that
is
irregular
?
Would
France
pretend
to
tye
the
Pope's
hands
more
then
the
Concordat
has
done
?
Or
do
they
think
the
Pope
is
oblig'd
to
admit
all
the
Royall
nominations
without
ever
enquiring
into
the
lives
or
capacities
of
the
persons
presented
?
Or
would
they
fear
violently
from
him
that
right
which
the
Concordat
gives
him
of
refusing
such
as
are
unworthy
?
Or
would
they
pretend
to
Judge
of
the
Popes
Judgment
in
this
matter
,
and
appeal
to
some
other
Tribunall
?
If
the
Pope
has
not
absolute
power
of
refusing
the
persons
nominated
,
why
should
the
Concordat
require
as
it
does
,
that
the
King
shall
be
bound
to
name
another
in
three
months
time
when
ever
the
Pope
thinks
sit
to
refuse
the
first
that
is
named
?
Has
this
Pope
less
Power
then
his
Predecessours
?
Has
Monsieur
Talon
forgot
what
happened
not
Forty
year
ago
in
the
case
of
Monsieur
de
Marca
,
who
nominated
by
the
King
for
the
Bishoprick
of
Couseraus
,
and
afterwards
for
the
Arch-Bishoprick
of
Tolose
,
was
never
able
to
procure
the
Popes
Bulls
,
whatever
instance
the
French
Ambassadour
made
,
till
he
had
satisfactorily
expiated
those
two
too
bold
propositions
of
the
Pope's
Authority
,
and
of
the
Roman
Church
,
which
were
found
in
that
famous
book
of
his
,
de
concordia
Sacerdotii
&
Imperii
.
And
let
not
Monsieur
Talon
tell
us
,
that
that
opinion
of
the
French
Assembly
of
1682.
was
formerly
publickly
defended
in
the
Council
of
Trent
by
the
Cardinall
of
Lorrain
,
I
cannot
tell
whence
Monsieur
Talon
could
have
what
he
affirms
;
that
that
Cardinall
had
declared
publickly
in
that
Councill
,
that
all
France
was
perswaded
that
the
Pope
was
not
infallible
.
For
neither
Father
Paolo
,
nor
Cardinall
Pallavicino
mention
any
such
thing
,
and
yet
such
Historians
as
those
neither
could
be
ignorant
,
nor
would
have
dissembled
a
passage
of
that
importance
,
without
relating
it
to
the
world
,
and
making
their
severall
reflections
upon
it
.
It
must
have
been
therefore
some
instruction
of
the
Cardinall
of
Lorrain
given
to
an
Agent
of
his
in
the
Court
of
Rome
called
le
Breton
,
related
by
Monsieur
du
Puy
,
which
must
have
given
occasion
to
Monsieur
Talon
to
affirm
that
passage
so
boldly
as
he
does
.
But
that
piece
,
besides
that
't
is
much
suspected
to
have
been
suppositions
,
or
at
least
to
have
been
altered
and
corrupted
by
some
Enemies
of
the
Sacred
See
,
it
makes
that
Cardinall
affirm
that
which
no
good
Catholick
would
ever
at
least
publickly
own
,
which
is
,
that
in
France
the
Councill
of
Florence
is
not
received
.
There
is
none
but
the
Greek
Schismaticks
that
reject
the
Councill
of
Florence
;
All
the
Catholicks
in
the
world
without
difficulty
receive
that
Councill
for
Oecumenicall
;
and
if
there
were
any
trouble
,
because
those
who
adher'd
to
the
Councill
of
Basil
would
not
consent
to
the
calling
of
the
Councill
of
Florence
,
yet
it
is
certain
at
last
the
Councill
of
Basil
was
deserted
by
all
the
Christian
Princes
,
whereas
there
was
not
any
one
of
the
Princes
of
Christendom
which
did
not
admit
the
Councill
of
Florence
for
Oecumenicall
,
and
submit
to
all
it
's
decisions
.
And
Monsieur
Du
Puy
himself
put's
in
the
margent
of
this
instruction
of
the
Cardinall
of
Lorraine
,
that
as
much
of
that
instruction
as
concerns
the
Pope
,
the
Sacred
See
,
and
the
superiority
of
Councills
,
was
never
read
before
the
Pope
.
Which
makes
it
plainly
appear
,
that
though
the
Cardinall
of
Lorraine
had
perhaps
in
the
heat
of
Contests
written
any
such
thing
to
his
Agent
,
he
revoked
it
again
after
having
thought
more
seriously
of
it
,
and
for
that
reason
,
it
seems
forbid
his
Agent
to
read
it
before
the
Pope
;
And
besides
Monsieur
Talon
may
take
notice
,
if
he
please
,
that
the
Council
of
Lateran
held
under
Leo
the
Tenth
,
in
which
the
Pope's
Authority
over
generall
Councils
was
so
highly
Established
,
was
received
by
Lewis
the
Twelfth
,
and
Francis
the
First
of
France
,
not
in
their
own
names
only
,
but
in
the
name
of
the
Nation
too
:
And
let
him
remember
too
that
when
Chancellour
du
Prat
carried
the
Parliament
a
Declaration
of
Francis
the
First
to
justify
the
Advantages
that
France
received
by
the
Concordat
,
't
was
affirmed
in
the
same
Declaration
,
that
it
was
certain
,
that
the
Pope
was
above
a
Generall
Council
in
all
,
except
some
very
particular
and
extraordinary
cases
.
Therefore
let
him
tell
us
no
more
,
that
France
has
always
adher'd
to
the
Decrees
of
the
Council
of
Basil
in
the
business
of
the
General
Council's
Superiority
over
the
Pope
.
Let
not
Monsieur
Talon
tell
us
neither
,
that
all
the
Doctors
of
France
are
of
the
same
opinion
.
We
know
very
well
how
great
a
number
there
are
of
the
best
and
the
learnedest
Men
in
France
that
condemn
in
their
hearts
the
opinion
of
that
Assembly
,
and
are
so
much
of
a
contrary
opinion
to
theirs
,
that
if
they
durst
freely
speak
what
they
think
,
without
being
sent
by
a
privy
Seal
from
Court
,
to
Prison
or
Banishment
;
they
would
stoutly
oppose
the
Declaration
of
that
Assembly
of
1682.
and
would
give
the
world
good
Testimony
of
the
profound
respect
and
submission
which
they
bear
to
the
Authority
of
the
Pope
,
and
the
Decisions
of
the
Sacred
See
.
But
whatever
the
particular
opinions
of
the
Divines
of
France
may
be
,
't
is
certain
there
are
not
many
that
have
publickly
appeared
against
the
Authority
of
the
Pope
.
And
it
is
only
to
such
as
those
that
his
Holiness
refuses
his
Bulls
,
till
such
time
as
they
make
satisfaction
for
their
fault
;
and
truly
had
that
business
been
handsomely
manag'd
;
those
unhappy
differences
which
have
made
so
great
a
noise
in
Christendom
,
would
soon
have
fallen
to
the
ground
,
had
not
those
Gentlemen
of
the
Assembly
of
1682.
so
briskly
and
so
Turbulently
too
,
made
that
unhappy
step
from
whence
they
either
cannot
or
will
not
retire
.
Nor
let
Monsieur
Talon
think
to
fright
the
Pope
with
threatning
,
that
if
His
Holiness
will
not
by
his
Bulls
confirm
and
Establish
those
nominated
Bishops
which
he
thinks
unworthy
,
France
will
send
no
more
mony
to
Rome
.
Alas
!
this
Magistrate
does
not
know
this
Pope
,
if
he
think
him
a
man
that
can
be
touch'd
with
so
mean
and
base
an
Interest
as
that
.
The
money
that
he
Receives
from
France
is
so
inconsiderable
,
and
must
when
it
comes
be
divided
amongst
so
many
,
that
those
who
are
the
most
concerned
,
make
very
little
or
no
account
of
it
at
all
,
much
less
will
the
consideration
of
that
inconsiderable
money
,
any
ways
be
able
to
affect
this
Pope
,
whom
we
all
know
to
be
a
man
so
unconcerned
in
all
worldly
things
,
and
of
so
nice
,
and
tender
a
Conscience
,
that
for
all
the
Kingdoms
in
the
world
,
he
could
not
be
brought
to
do
the
least
thing
either
contrary
to
his
duty
,
or
that
he
could
think
,
might
displease
Almighty
God
:
And
yet
this
is
one
of
the
greatest
threats
of
Monsieur
Talon
,
to
which
he
add's
this
,
that
the
King
(
if
his
Holiness
persists
,
)
will
break
the
Concordat
.
For
according
to
the
doctrine
,
it
seems
of
Monsieur
Talon
,
the
Popes
refusing
to
grant
his
Bulls
to
any
one
of
those
the
King
names
,
is
cause
sufficient
for
the
King
to
break
the
Concordat
;
no
more
is
required
it
seems
to
establish
the
pragmatick
Sanction
;
but
because
this
pragmatick
practise
would
neither
accomodate
—
nor
the
Court
,
and
because
this
way
the
Court
would
be
forced
to
use
perpetuall
violence
in
the
Provinces
to
get
those
chosen
which
the
King
had
a
mind
to
,
which
yet
would
not
always
be
affected
neither
;
Monsieur
Talon
has
found
this
expedient
to
abrogate
and
to
annull
at
the
same
time
,
the
pragmatick
Sanction
,
and
the
Concordat
too
,
and
then
establish
a
new
Law
which
can
be
certainly
grounded
in
nothing
but
their
own
vain
imagination
.
The
Election
,
say's
Talon
,
of
Bishops
,
originally
belongs
to
the
People
.
The
people
of
France
now
are
no
more
in
a
condition
to
nominate
:
we
have
some
examples
in
the
first
and
second
rate
,
where
Kings
have
nominated
Bishops
in
some
singular
cases
.
They
are
the
heads
of
their
Kingdoms
,
and
have
a
right
to
act
as
well
in
the
peoples
name
as
in
their
own
.
Therefore
the
King
may
name
Bishops
himself
,
which
the
Metropolitan
with
some
other
Bishops
of
the
Diocesses
,
after
they
approved
the
Kings
Nominations
,
may
Consecrate
and
establish
.
This
is
the
discourse
of
Monsieur
Talon
.
Could
any
man
have
advanced
such
propositions
as
these
without
first
renouncing
all
common
sence
,
and
all
the
rules
of
Equity
and
Justice
in
the
world
?
yet
if
we
believe
Monsieur
Talon
,
he
'l
tell
us
,
that
this
is
an
excellent
reason
,
that
,
that
right
which
the
Faithfull
anciently
had
to
appoint
themselves
a
Bishop
,
since
it
cannot
conveniently
now
be
any
more
exercised
in
common
,
must
necessarily
pass
into
the
person
of
their
Soveraign
the
King
.
How
can
you
that
desire
so
much
to
be
taken
for
the
great
Defender
of
the
liberties
of
the
Gallican
Church
,
abandon
the
pragmatick
Sanction
,
grounded
as
well
in
common
law
,
as
upon
the
Councils
of
Constance
and
Basil
?
Is
not
that
ordinance
of
Orleance
worth
your
taking
notice
of
,
where
it
was
decreed
,
that
Elections
of
Bishops
should
be
made
by
the
Cathedrall
Chapter
,
and
also
by
Deputies
of
the
Gentry
of
the
Diocess
,
and
of
the
principall
Citizens
of
the
Episcopall
City
?
Why
will
you
needs
suppose
that
the
Canonicall
Elections
cannot
be
made
any
more
as
they
have
been
?
Do
you
remember
none
of
those
Pleas
of
your
Predecessours
in
defence
of
such
Elections
as
those
in
their
full
extent
?
and
that
they
look
't
upon
'em
then
,
as
the
principall
point
of
the
Liberties
of
the
Gallican
Church
?
But
it
is
not
upon
such
maxims
or
principles
as
these
that
Mounsieur
Talon
determines
any
point
of
the
matter
in
question
;
neither
the
liberties
of
Churches
,
nor
the
Ordinances
of
Estates
,
nor
the
Sacred
Canons
of
the
Oecumenicall
Councills
,
which
yet
he
uses
(
with
so
much
Ostentation
)
to
cite
,
are
ever
any
rule
of
Monsieur
Talon's
opinion
or
carriage
in
this
business
.
The
Soveraign
Law
which
with
him
takes
place
above
all
Ecclesiasticall
Laws
,
and
those
of
the
state
besides
,
is
a
resolution
to
please
,
and
comply
with
the
Court
.
Settled
in
these
resolutions
and
full
of
such
extravagant
designs
as
these
,
no
wonder
if
he
establish
new
Laws
,
of
his
own
head
,
and
by
his
own
private
Authority
;
He
'l
abolish
the
Concordat
,
because
he
does
not
like
the
power
that
the
Pope
has
reserved
to
himself
,
of
refusing
such
of
the
King's
nominated
Bishops
,
as
he
shall
find
unfit
.
He
'l
abolish
the
pragmatick
Sanction
,
because
the
re-establishing
of
the
ancient
Elections
would
not
suit
with
the
present
interest
of
the
Court
of
France
,
but
rather
deprive
the
King
of
his
right
of
Nomination
:
and
therefore
after
having
taken
away
from
the
Pope
the
right
of
collation
,
he
would
give
the
King
a
right
of
nominating
Bishops
without
being
restrained
by
the
rule
of
the
Concordat
.
A
right
,
none
of
his
Royall
Predecessours
ever
enjoyed
,
but
by
vertue
of
the
Concordat
.
And
truly
the
Church
of
France
would
be
much
to
be
blamed
,
if
instead
of
being
governed
by
the
holy
Canons
of
the
Church
,
and
Papall
Decretalls
,
they
should
suffer
themselves
to
be
led
away
by
such
fancies
as
a
lay-Judg
,
that
dayly
changes
his
opinion
,
according
to
the
different
impressions
which
the
Court
of
France
makes
upon
him
;
and
has
not
of
himself
any
true
and
Solid
knowledge
of
the
Ecclesiasticall
Laws
,
but
only
takes
up
such
Scraps
as
he
meets
with
up
and
down
in
memorialls
,
whilest
he
hunts
for
Erudition
to
fill
up
his
Plea's
:
nor
has
he
either
honour
or
conscience
before
his
eyes
,
nor
the
laws
of
the
Church
or
of
the
State
;
he
goes
on
meerly
puff'd
up
with
extravagant
passion
,
and
an
Ambitious
desire
to
please
the
Court
.
We
have
been
forced
to
follow
this
Declaimer
all
this
while
in
all
his
digressions
;
let
us
see
now
what
he
says
of
the
matter
in
question
,
and
of
the
pretended
Franchises
;
but
he
makes
again
another
great
digression
against
the
Popes
Bull
,
in
Coena
Domini
,
then
tells
us
,
that
Bull
is
very
pernicious
,
because
it
establishes
,
as
he
pretends
,
the
Pope
Soveraign
Monarch
of
the
world
,
and
because
it
seems
not
to
allow
Parliaments
any
power
to
take
cognizance
of
the
possessions
of
Benefices
,
or
of
any
causes
reall
or
personall
that
belong
to
Ecclesiasticks
.
What
he
says
of
the
Pope's
Sovereign
Authority
,
is
of
his
own
head
,
for
there
is
no
such
thing
in
the
Bull
:
And
therefore
if
Monsieur
Talon
has
nothing
else
against
that
Bull
,
but
that
it
forbids
Parliaments
to
meddle
with
Ecclesiasticall
Jurisdiction
,
I
do
not
see
what
persons
in
the
world
,
though
never
so
little
equitable
,
can
have
any
thing
to
say
to
it
,
except
such
Lay-Judges
,
as
too
much
addicted
to
their
own
interest
would
bring
all
fish
into
their
own
Nets
.
But
if
we
consider
what
manner
Monsieur
Talon
speaks
of
that
Bull
,
we
might
have
reason
enough
to
think
he
never
had
read
the
Bull
in
his
Life
but
speaks
by
hear-say
only
,
and
what
he
has
learned
from
:
other
men
?
For
first
,
he
supposes
that
that
Bull
Establishes
the
Pope
Sovereign
Lord
of
the
world
;
of
which
Sovereignty
,
there
is
not
a
word
in
the
Bull
.
Secondly
,
he
seems
to
suppose
,
that
that
Bull
began
but
under
Julius
the
Second
,
whereas
it
appears
,
that
long
before
that
time
,
other
Popes
as
Urban
the
Fifth
,
Paul
the
Second
,
and
Sixtus
the
Fourth
,
had
published
the
like
censures
in
their
Constitutions
,
and
many
others
after
Judius
the
Second
,
and
Paul
the
Third
had
done
the
same
,
and
with
the
same
Solemnity
,
which
yet
were
never
accused
of
being
Enemies
to
France
.
Nor
can
I
see
any
reason
why
Monsieur
Talon
should
cry
down
that
Bull
,
unless
it
be
,
because
it
condemns
Parliaments
,
that
intrude
themselves
into
Ecclesiasticall
Affairs
,
and
take
upon
'em
a
jurisdiction
that
does
not
belong
to
them
.
After
this
Digression
against
the
Bull
,
he
makes
a
great
complaint
against
the
Pope
for
laying
an
Interdict
upon
the
Church
of
St.
Lewis
in
Rome
,
and
as
he
tells
us
,
against
all
the
rules
of
Canon
Law
.
't
is
not
the
Parliament
of
Paris's
business
,
nor
much
less
Monsieur
Talon's
,
to
examine
what
the
Pope
does
in
Rome
.
The
Pope
has
a
Supreme
Authority
as
well
Temporal
as
Spiritual
over
that
City
of
his
,
and
of
his
Government
there
is
to
give
no
account
,
but
only
to
God
.
But
yet
that
much
,
I
think
,
we
may
say
,
that
they
are
a
little
more
regular
in
their
Canonical
proceedings
at
Rome
then
in
France
.
Would
to
God
in
France
in
the
destruction
of
the
Monastery
of
Charonne
,
in
the
dissolving
the
Institute
of
the
Nuns
of
the
Infancy
,
in
the
Elections
of
Urbanist
Abbesses
,
of
the
Cystertian
Abbots
,
and
of
the
Abbots
of
Cluny
,
and
of
the
Trinitarians
:
In
the
business
of
the
Regalia
,
in
the
Judging
and
Condemning
of
Priests
,
and
in
all
other
Ecclesiastical
Affairs
,
they
had
but
as
well
observed
the
Canons
and
Rules
of
the
Church
in
France
,
as
the
Pope
observes
'em
in
Rome
.
The
Cardinal-Vicar
Interdicted
the
Church
of
St.
Lewis
in
Rome
;
because
the
Rector
of
the
Community
of
Priests
,
which
belong
to
that
Church
had
received
Monsieur
Lavardin
to
Prayers
,
and
to
participation
of
Sacraments
with
them
,
after
he
had
been
most
notoriously
Excommunicated
by
the
Pope
,
and
in
Rome
it self
.
For
what
could
be
more
notoriously
publick
then
an
Excommunication
published
by
a
Bull
of
the
Pope
in
Rome
,
and
well
known
both
to
the
King
of
France
and
his
Ministers
,
before
the
departure
of
Monsieur
Lavardin
.
Could
he
that
came
with
Arms
in
his
hands
,
and
with
full
resolution
to
defend
the
pretended
Franchises
of
his
House
in
Rome
,
and
that
above
five
Months
after
the
publication
of
this
Bull
,
pretend
ignorance
then
?
Was
not
Monsieur-Lavardin's
action
notorious
to
all
the
world
?
By
what
Trick
or
Artifice
could
any
body
excuse
or
dissemble
the
knowledge
of
so
publick
a
Fact
?
He
comes
to
Rome
more
like
an
Enemy
,
then
an
Ambassadour
;
enters
the
Sacred
City
,
like
a
Conquered
Town
,
he
cheats
the
Officers
of
the
Customs
at
the
Gates
,
brings
in
his
Ammunition
of
War
,
the
Palace
of
Cardinal
Farnesius
is
filled
with
strong
Guards
and
Troups
of
Armed
men
,
they
go
the
round
about
the
Palace
in
a
Military
manner
all
night
,
as
if
they
had
already
made
a
Cittadel
in
Rome
;
And
that
all
this
might
be
the
more
publiquely
known
to
the
City
,
these
Guards
are
relieved
,
and
these
Rounds
are
made
at
the
sound
of
a
Bell
.
After
all
this
,
would
those
of
St.
Lewis
pretend
to
doubt
whether
Monsieur
Lavardin
had
incurr'd
the
Popes
Excommunication
published
by
a
Bull
?
And
if
these
Facts
were
so
notorious
that
they
could
neither
be
disowned
nor
excused
,
how
could
the
Rector
of
the
Priests
of
St.
Lewis
admit
Monsieur
Lavardin
in
time
of
Divine
Service
to
Church
,
and
to
the
participation
of
the
Sacraments
,
without
pulling
upon
themselves
the
Censure
of
the
Church
?
But
Monsieur
Talon
replies
,
The
Excommunication
was
not
denounced
.
Has
this
Magistrate
forgot
that
Article
of
the
pragmatick
Sanction
,
and
of
the
Concordat
too
,
where
it
's
said
in
express
terms
,
that
to
incurr
Excommunication
or
Interdict
by
Communicating
in
Holy
things
with
a
Person
that
has
notoriously
incurr'd
the
Excommunication
,
it
is
not
at
all
necessary
that
there
should
be
any
precedent
denunciation
.
't
was
a
thing
notorious
that
Monsieur
Lavardin
had
incurr'd
the
Excommunication
expressed
in
the
Bull
:
First
,
because
the
Bull
it self
was
notorious
:
Secondly
,
because
he
publickly
and
constantly
made
a
defence
against
it
,
when
he
made
that
open
and
Military
defence
at
the
Palace
where
he
Lodg'd
,
of
his
pretended
Franchises
:
the
Rector
and
Priests
of
St.
Lewis
could
not
be
ignorant
of
all
this
,
and
yet
they
publickly
gave
him
the
Sacraments
;
did
not
they
very
well
deserve
then
to
have
their
Church
Interdicted
,
since
it
was
a
fault
committed
not
by
any
one
particular
Person
but
by
the
whole
Community
?
And
therefore
let
not
Monsieur
Talon
bring
all
those
common
places
against
Interdicts
in
this
case
.
The
question
is
not
here
of
the
Interdict
of
a
Kingdom
or
Province
,
which
were
formerly
so
much
in
use
,
but
our
Question
is
of
an
Interdict
only
of
one
Parochial
Church
,
and
that
in
Rome
,
over
which
the
Pope
has
all
Absolute
Jurisdiction
;
and
the
Interdict
is
founded
upon
the
disobedience
of
a
whole
Community
.
Nor
can
Monsieur
Talon
with
all
his
Criticks
bring
any
solid
Argument
against
it
.
But
the
Pope
cannot
Excommunicate
an
Ambassador
,
says
he
,
nor
a
Magistrate
acquitting
himself
of
his
duty
and
executing
the
orders
of
the
King
his
Master
.
't
is
Evident
(
have
as
ill
Principles
of
Religion
as
you
will
)
you
cannot
but
own
the
Pope
has
an
Absolute
Universall
Power
without
exception
,
without
limitation
,
or
restriction
,
to
bind
,
and
release
all
,
or
any
Christians
whatsoever
.
Quaecunque
Ligaveris
,
&c.
And
upon
what
ground
that
unheard
of
Priviledge
is
founded
,
that
Ambassadors
and
Magistrates
(
if
they
be
Christians
)
cannot
be
Excommunicated
by
the
Pope
,
I
cannot
find
:
undoubtedly
they
as
well
as
other
Men
,
are
Subject
to
the
Keys
of
Sr.
Peter
,
and
to
the
Authority
of
the
Church
:
Nor
do
I
see
why
they
may
not
in
executing
the
orders
of
their
Masters
,
fall
into
such
Crimes
as
may
pull
upon
'em
the
Censures
of
the
Church
.
May
an
Ambassadour
,
do
you
think
,
by
order
of
his
master
,
have
a
Prelate
Assassinated
without
incurring
excommunication
?
and
to
speak
more
particularly
of
the
matter
in
question
,
shall
an
Ambssadour
by
order
of
his
Master
invade
the
Patrimony
of
Sr.
Peters
,
affront
the
head
of
the
Church
in
Rome
it self
,
take
from
the
Pope
in
a
part
of
his
Capitall
City
,
the
power
of
exercising
his
Soveraign
Authority
without
incurring
excommunication
,
and
those
other
penalties
the
Canons
have
provided
against
those
Sacrilegious
Persons
that
steal
holy
things
,
and
usurp
the
endowments
of
the
Church
?
This
is
a
new
Divinity
which
Christendom
has
not
heard
of
yet
.
't
is
easy
enough
to
make
appear
not
only
by
the
Canons
and
by
the
practise
of
the
universall
Church
,
but
also
by
the
Canons
of
the
Church
of
France
,
that
Kings
themselves
may
be
excommunicated
,
much
more
their
Ambassadours
,
who
certainly
are
not
priviledged
more
then
their
Masters
.
The
Ecclesiasticall
history
furnishes
us
with
abundance
of
examples
of
Greek
and
German
Emperours
,
of
Kings
of
France
and
of
England
,
that
have
felt
and
acknowledg'd
the
weight
of
excommunication
.
Clotaire
,
Philip
the
first
,
Philip
August
,
the
examples
of
Henry
the
third
,
and
Henry
the
fourth
are
too
publick
in
France
,
and
too
well
remembred
to
be
denyed
.
The
greatest
Enemies
the
Sacred
See
has
in
the
world
,
agree
,
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
Eighth
age
,
Gregory
the
second
excommunicated
Leo
Ironomatus
,
and
this
Heretick
Emperour
lost
by
that
means
the
Exarcat
of
Ravenna
.
All
the
defenders
of
the
Gallican
rights
agree
,
that
three
of
the
French
Kings
,
Clotaire
,
Philip
the
First
,
and
Philip
August
,
were
all
excommunicated
by
Popes
,
and
were
obliged
every
one
to
put
away
their
Concubines
,
and
to
receive
again
their
lawfull
wifes
which
they
had
expelled
.
Nicholas
the
First
excommunicated
Lothaire
,
for
having
put
away
Fewburg
his
wife
,
and
marrying
Valdrade
his
Concubine
.
Urban
the
Second
excommunicated
Phillip
the
First
in
the
Councill
of
Clermont
.
And
Innocent
the
Third
excommunicated
Philip
August
upon
the
like
account
:
so
that
none
of
all
his
Subjects
durst
have
any
access
to
him
till
he
had
received
his
wife
,
and
abandoned
his
Concubine
.
And
all
that
while
they
dated
in
France
,
Regnante
Christo
,
without
taking
any
notice
of
Philip
August
at
all
:
I
referr
the
Reader
to
Father
Maimbourg
,
that
great
enemy
to
Popes
,
for
the
Stories
of
the
Emperours
Henry
the
Fourth
,
Henry
the
First
,
Frederick
the
First
,
Philip
the
First
,
Othon
the
Fourth
,
Frederick
the
Second
,
Conrade
the
First
,
Raymond
Earl
of
Tolose
Excommunicated
by
Alexander
the
Third
;
and
of
a
great
number
of
Kings
of
England
Excommunicated
,
by
Popes
,
who
before
they
were
absolved
,
did
ask
upon
their
knees
absolution
from
the
Excommunication
incurr'd
,
either
before
the
Popes
,
or
before
their
Legates
.
We
find
besides
that
,
Foulques
Arch-Bishop
of
Rheims
threatned
to
Excommunicate
Charles
the
Simple
if
he
made
Allyance
with
Normans
,
who
were
then
Heathens
,
by
a
Letter
penn'd
thus
:
Sciatis
quod
si
hoc
feceritis
,
&
consiliis
nostris
non
acquieveritis
,
nunquam
me
fidelem
habebitis
,
sed
&
quoscunque
potero
a
vestra
fidelitate
revocabo
,
&
cum
omnibus
co-Episcopis
meis
vos
&
omnes
vestros
Excommunicationis
perpetuo
anathemate
condemnabo
.
And
in
the
Sixth
Book
of
the
Capitulers
,
ch
.
249.
't
is
said
expressly
,
Hujus
Constitutionis
forma
servetur
ut
execrandum
anathema
fiat
,
ut
velut
Prevaricator
Catholicae
fidei
,
semper
a
domino
Reus
existat
quicunque
Regum
deinceps
Canonis
hujus
censuram
in
quocunque
crediderit
esse
violandam
.
This
may
be
seen
in
the
Capitulers
approv'd
and
authorized
by
the
Kings
of
France
;
And
those
Kings
all
acknowledged
the
power
of
the
Church
,
and
humbly
submitted
to
its
Authority
.
They
openly
detested
their
faults
either
by
themselves
or
by
their
Ambassadours
.
They
earnestly
begg'd
Absolution
of
the
Popes
.
They
faithfully
executed
the
Penances
which
were
enjoined
them
for
Satisfaction
for
their
faults
,
and
for
reparation
of
the
Scandal
which
they
by
their
ill
example
had
given
to
the
world
.
But
if
those
Princes
had
had
for
their
Counsel
Monsieur
Talon
,
they
would
have
lookt
upon
the
Vatican
Thunder
but
like
Squibs
that
expire
but
in
Smoke
,
and
hurt
no
body
more
then
those
that
throw
them
;
they
would
learn
to
have
forced
the
Priests
by
severe
Imprisonments
or
by
seizures
of
their
Estates
to
have
opened
them
the
Doors
of
the
Churches
,
and
to
have
given
them
the
Sacraments
,
they
would
have
railed
at
the
Pope
,
wounded
their
Fame
and
torn
their
Reputations
,
as
this
Orator
does
,
without
any
ground
in
the
world
.
They
woul'd
have
appeal'd
from
the
Pope
to
their
Parliaments
,
and
have
complained
of
the
abuses
,
or
to
the
next
General
Council
that
shall
be
called
.
But
those
innocent
Monarchs
and
Emperours
did
no
such
thing
;
but
with
a
sincere
and
Christian
Devotion
acknowledg'd
,
that
as
they
were
as
capable
of
Sin
as
other
men
were
,
so
though
Emperours
;
yet
as
well
as
other
men
,
they
might
incurr
the
Censures
of
the
Church
;
They
placed
their
greatness
and
Glory
not
in
contesting
the
Pope's
Authority
by
pitifull
Chicanneries
and
tricks
of
the
Law
,
but
in
submitting
with
humility
to
the
Laws
of
the
Church
,
in
mending
their
faults
and
excesses
:
in
giving
good
example
to
their
People
,
and
in
teaching
their
People
by
the
practice
of
the
Prince
,
in
what
awe
of
the
Ecclesiastical
Censures
all
good
Christians
ought
to
be
,
what
deference
and
respect
they
ought
to
pay
to
the
Church
and
to
him
that
is
President
there
,
the
visible
Head
and
Vicar
of
Christ
.
Thus
much
indeed
we
must
confess
,
that
some
Bishops
of
France
jealous
of
their
Authority
pretended
,
yet
afore
,
that
the
Censuring
and
Excommunicating
of
Kings
when
they
deserved
it
,
belonged
properly
to
the
Bishops
of
the
Country
,
where
those
Kings
Reigned
,
rather
then
to
the
Pope
;
perhaps
they
might
think
sometimes
there
might
be
danger
in
delay
,
or
for
several
other
Reasons
whatever
it
was
;
in
that
Sense
certainly
and
no
other
,
those
Bishops
of
France
must
have
formerly
written
those
shamefull
and
temeratious
words
to
Pope
Gregory
the
Fourth
:
If
you
come
hither
to
Excommunicate
our
King
,
you
shall
return
excommunicated
your self
.
Words
which
the
Bishops
of
France
may
well
blush
at
for
their
Predecessours
sake
,
and
fitter
to
be
buried
in
eternall
oblivion
,
then
to
be
interpreted
as
they
are
by
Monsieur
Talon
for
the
advantage
of
the
present
times
.
What
?
The
Pope
shall
return
excommunicated
?
By
whom
?
By
the
Bishops
of
France
?
If
a
Pope
can
be
excommunicated
by
particular
Bishops
,
then
the
Pope
is
not
only
subject
to
generall
Councills
,
as
Monsieur
Talon
pretends
to
have
it
,
but
to
the
particular
Bishops
of
France
too
,
whensoever
they
shall
be
in
an
humour
to
oppose
him
.
These
are
arguments
of
that
extravagance
that
they
destroy
themselves
fast
enough
,
and
need
no
other
refutation
.
But
all
that
can
in
any
rationall
sence
be
made
of
those
words
of
the
French
Bishops
to
Gregory
the
Fourth
,
is
,
that
the
French
Bishops
did
believe
themselves
to
have
power
enough
then
to
excommunicate
their
Kings
without
complaining
farther
to
the
Pope
.
Now
because
of
the
great
inconveniences
that
might
follow
by
the
particular
Bishops
having
so
great
a
power
as
to
excommunicate
Kings
,
as
authorizing
Factions
and
fomenting
Rebellions
in
severall
nations
might
be
,
therefore
the
Christian
Kings
earnestly
always
desired
not
to
be
excommunicated
but
by
Popes
;
And
if
Monsieur
Talon
had
taken
the
pains
to
read
over
the
Bulls
of
Pope
Clement
the
Sixth
and
other
Popes
granted
at
the
earnest
request
of
Severall
Kings
,
he
might
have
seen
there
that
the
Popes
and
Kings
did
both
agree
of
that
power
which
Popes
still
have
to
excommunicate
Kings
for
those
faults
that
fall
under
the
censures
of
the
Church
,
and
that
the
Kings
then
,
only
desired
to
be
exempted
from
any
censure
such
Bishops
as
were
their
own
subjects
might
throw
upon
them
,
because
of
ill
consequences
that
might
follow
as
I
have
observed
before
.
Let
him
but
read
the
instructions
of
Charles
the
Ninth
given
to
his
Ambassadours
who
were
with
Pope
Paul
the
Fourth
,
about
the
Kingdom
of
Navar
,
the
supplications
of
Augennet
Bishop
of
Maus
in
the
name
of
Henry
the
Third
,
and
those
of
Cardinall
D'ossat
and
Cardinal
Perron
in
behalf
of
Henry
the
Fourth
:
And
see
what
sincere
Submissions
and
Acknowledgments
those
Bishops
and
Cardinalls
made
in
behalf
of
those
Kings
,
how
humbly
they
Submitted
to
the
Censures
of
the
Church
,
how
clearly
and
heartily
they
desired
to
be
absolved
.
The
Judges
and
Advocates
of
the
last
age
although
the
greatest
part
of
them
were
infected
with
those
hereticall
Maxims
which
then
were
so
spread
through
this
Kingdom
of
France
,
yet
all
agree
of
this
truth
,
and
Acknowledge
that
Theodosius
,
Leon
,
the
two
Fredericks
,
and
other
Emperours
were
excommunicated
,
and
that
Popes
used
the
same
power
over
the
Kings
of
France
.
I
know
those
Lawyers
might
be
perhaps
of
opinion
then
,
that
the
Pope
could
not
throw
an
Interdict
upon
a
whole
Nation
,
or
abandon
it
to
the
next
occupant
:
But
that
is
not
our
question
here
;
our
present
question
is
only
,
whether
Kings
or
their
Ambassadours
may
be
Excommunicated
by
the
Pope
when
they
commit
crimes
that
fall
under
the
censures
of
the
Church
?
I
affirm
that
they
can
;
and
say
no
man
can
deny
that
,
without
denying
the
supreme
Authority
of
the
Church
,
which
depends
neither
of
time
,
nor
place
,
nor
of
the
capriciousness
of
men
,
but
stands
settled
and
unshaken
upon
that
Rock
of
Life
,
Christ
Jesus
,
and
upon
his
Sacred
word
,
against
which
Hell
it self
shall
not
be
able
to
prevail
.
By
what
we
have
said
it
clearly
appears
that
Kings
may
be
Excommunicated
,
and
their
Ambassadors
in
Executing
the
Orders
of
their
Masters
(
if
they
be
Catholicks
)
may
incurr
Excommunication
too
,
if
in
Executing
those
Orders
of
their
Masters
,
they
commit
such
crimes
as
fall
under
the
censures
of
the
Church
.
I
shall
not
here
make
it
my
business
to
refute
those
falsities
which
Mensieur
Talon
alledges
concerning
what
pass'd
at
Naples
,
occasion'd
by
some
Ecclesiastical
Censures
which
the
Nuncio
there
had
pronounced
against
some
Counsellors
and
other
Officers
of
the
Council
of
State
.
For
that
business
was
so
certainly
and
publickly
known
,
that
not
one
of
all
those
who
were
then
Excommunicated
by
the
Nuncio
there
,
ever
durst
appear
at
any
Divine
Service
in
any
Church
.
And
therefore
to
be
able
to
keep
their
Christmas
last
past
;
like
true
Children
of
the
Church
,
they
humbly
demanded
Absolution
,
which
was
granted
'em
with
the
clause
de
reincidentia
,
that
is
,
in
case
of
relapse
to
be
in
force
,
if
afterwards
they
should
not
fully
submit
to
perform
all
that
was
enjoyned
'em
:
And
all
the
world
knows
as
well
what
passed
some
years
ago
in
the
Kingdom
of
Sicily
;
where
the
Vice-Roy
and
some
other
Officers
of
the
King
were
Excommunicated
by
the
Arch-Bishop
of
Palermo
,
for
something
they
had
done
against
the
Ecclesiastical
Jurisdiction
.
Where
the
Offenders
were
all
forced
to
appear
before
the
same
Arch-Bishop
,
and
receive
of
him
publickly
Absolution
in
the
ordinary
form
.
Nor
need
I
take
much
notice
of
those
little
Chicanneries
which
Monsieur
Talon
delivers
with
such
an
air
that
we
may
see
,
he
himself
does
not
value
'em
much
;
As
that
the
Bull
was
not
published
in
France
,
nor
signified
to
Monsieur
Lavardin
.
But
the
Bull
was
affixt
and
publisht
at
Rome
,
which
was
enough
to
be
sufficiently
known
to
those
that
live
there
.
Nor
is
it
our
question
whither
Monsieur
de
Lavardin
having
not
presented
his
Letters
of
Credence
,
and
having
not
yet
been
acknowledged
by
the
Pope
,
were
Ambassadour
or
not
.
But
if
that
were
the
question
,
we
can
easily
make
it
appear
by
the
Laws
of
Nations
,
that
to
be
an
absolute
Ambassadour
,
't
is
not
enough
to
be
sent
in
that
quality
by
any
Prince
;
but
he
must
be
admitted
,
and
acknowledged
by
the
Sovereign
Prince
,
to
whom
he
is
sent
,
before
he
can
be
truly
stiled
an
Ambassadour
:
whence
it
happened
formerly
,
that
when
any
Pope
sent
a
Nuncio
to
France
that
the
King
did
not
like
,
he
was
always
stop'd
upon
the
Frontiers
,
and
never
acknowledged
for
Nuncio
at
all
.
All
that
we
have
to
make
out
,
is
,
that
whether
Monsieur
de
Lavardin
were
Ambassadour
,
or
whether
he
vere
not
,
he
either
did
know
,
or
ought
to
have
known
,
being
in
Rome
,
that
the
Pope
had
forbid
,
under
pain
of
Excommunication
.
to
be
incurr'd
by
the
very
Fact
whenever
it
should
be
committed
,
to
pretend
to
attribute
any
such
Priviledge
of
Franchises
to
any
particular
House
or
Quarter
in
the
City
of
Rome
.
Monsieur
de
Lavardin
did
attribute
to
himself
and
his
place
of
Residence
in
Rome
,
that
pretended
right
of
Franchise
publiquely
and
constantly
.
He
has
no
Priviledge
that
can
shelter
him
from
the
Censures
of
the
Church
,
nay
,
the
King
his
Master
has
none
for
his
own
Royal
Person
:
he
did
therefore
certainly
incurr
the
Excommunication
declared
in
the
Pope's
Bull
,
nor
could
without
trampling
on
the
power
of
the
Pope
,
and
treading
the
Authority
of
the
Christian
Church
under
foot
,
enter
,
as
he
did
,
into
the
Parish
Church
of
St.
Lewis
,
and
receive
the
Blessed
Sacrament
before
he
had
received
Absolution
from
the
Pope
.
Monsieur
Talon
after
having
confidently
without
any
proof
imposed
upon
us
this
Proposition
;
that
an
Ambassadour
cannot
be
Excommunicated
by
the
Pope
;
defends
in
particular
,
that
the
Pope
cannot
at
least
Excommunicate
him
upon
the
account
of
the
pretended
Franchises
which
are
in
question
;
Because
,
says
Talon
,
those
Franchises
are
things
purely
Temporal
,
and
therefore
cannot
properly
be
the
Subject
of
an
Excommunication
;
And
besides
,
because
the
King
has
been
in
possession
of
that
right
time
out
of
mind
.
But
before
I
dive
further
into
the
business
,
I
'le
first
ask
Monsieur
Talon
,
what
right
the
Parliament
of
Paris
has
to
meddle
with
,
or
enquire
into
the
Franchises
of
Rome
?
Can
that
belong
to
their
Jurisdiction
,
or
which
way
is
it
within
their
reach
?
The
Kings
of
France
have
always
limited
that
Company
of
Persons
assembled
in
the
Parliament
of
Paris
to
take
Cognizance
only
betwixt
Party
and
Party
of
their
own
Dominions
:
But
has
any
King
ever
given
'em
power
to
Judge
of
difficulties
that
may
happen
,
or
Causes
that
may
depend
betwixt
them
and
the
Pope
?
Nay
which
way
could
any
King
or
his
present
Majesty
give
'em
any
such
Power
?
But
to
examine
the
business
to
the
bottom
,
we
must
see
first
what
the
Pretensions
of
the
Ambassadours
of
France
are
in
the
City
of
Rome
?
and
then
upon
what
they
are
grounded
.
If
we
believe
Monsieur
Talon
,
the
King
of
France
might
pretend
to
be
Sovereign
Prince
of
Rome
;
and
turn
out
the
Pope
.
A
new
and
unheard
of
right
that
neither
Pithon
,
nor
Du
Puy
ever
yet
understood
or
offered
to
mention
in
that
Collection
which
they
have
made
of
rights
which
France
has
in
other
Princes
Dominions
in
all
parts
of
Europe
;
and
yet
Monsieur
Talon
confidently
tells
us
,
that
the
King
of
France
at
present
has
favoured
the
Pope
upon
this
account
,
by
pretending
no
farther
then
he
does
to
the
Franchises
with
a
reserve
of
right
to
be
renewed
some
other
time
,
when
the
King
pleases
,
or
upon
the
first
Quarrel
the
King
may
have
with
the
Pope
.
But
at
present
Monsieur
Tolon
will
go
no
further
,
then
to
defend
that
the
King
of
France
has
a
Right
of
Quarters
in
Rome
,
to
make
the
Lodgings
or
House
where
he
dwells
,
a
Priviledged
place
,
that
is
,
that
his
Ambassadour
may
Establish
himself
there
in
what
Quality
or
Condition
he
pleases
:
For
the
Palace
of
Farnesius
where
he
resides
,
being
but
a
borrowed
house
,
and
belonging
to
the
Duke
of
Parma
:
he
yet
,
besides
the
profits
which
his
Servants
make
of
it
to
several
persons
that
Establish
themselves
there
,
pretends
to
make
an
Asylum
and
safe
retreat
of
it
for
all
Bandits
,
Assassinates
,
Poysoners
,
Thieves
,
Atheists
,
Sacrilegious
Persons
,
for
all
Debauched
Women
,
even
those
who
run
from
their
Husbands
,
and
for
all
sorts
of
Villains
whatsoever
.
He
pretends
,
that
neither
the
Justice
of
Rome
,
nor
Officers
,
can
take
any
Criminal
from
thence
,
or
Prosecute
any
that
are
there
:
That
the
Ambassadour
there
has
power
,
and
those
that
are
with
him
,
to
fight
and
kill
any
that
shall
(
though
with
the
Popes
Authority
)
pursue
a
Criminal
thither
,
nor
that
they
are
any
ways
obliged
to
deliver
those
Offenders
into
the
hands
of
Justice
at
all
.
And
this
Monsieur
Talon
maintains
to
be
an
unalienable
right
of
the
Crown
of
France
,
from
which
that
King
will
never
depart
,
and
which
Parliament
of
Paris
has
desired
him
to
maintain
.
At
this
indeed
the
Christian
World
might
be
sufficiently
allarm'd
;
And
is
undoubtedly
very
much
surprised
to
see
,
that
Magistrates
so
enlighten'd
as
those
Gentlemen
of
the
Parliament
of
Paris
pretend
to
be
;
should
ever
in
the
face
of
the
Christian
World
presume
to
defend
and
maintain
a
pretension
so
highly
unjust
as
that
of
the
Franchises
in
Rome
:
and
it
is
as
hard
for
us
to
understand
how
all
those
persons
that
were
consulted
in
that
case
,
could
be
so
blinded
;
how
they
could
come
to
lose
all
the
use
of
Reason
they
had
,
how
they
could
so
oppose
common
sence
,
as
to
confound
that
ridiculous
pretension
of
France
,
so
contrary
to
all
Laws
Humane
and
Divine
,
with
the
Law
of
Nations
as
they
do
,
and
that
crudely
too
,
without
any
qualification
or
limitation
at
all
.
If
the
King
of
France
had
pretended
to
have
had
some
particular
Sovereignty
in
Rome
,
or
some
Territory
,
some
part
of
Rome
to
himself
with
a
Right
to
Judge
Criminals
that
might
be
taken
there
,
and
determine
such
causes
as
might
be
brought
thither
;
such
a
right
as
this
,
(
though
the
most
ridiculous
in
the
World
,
and
without
the
least
appearance
of
Justice
,
(
yet
in
this
respect
)
would
be
more
supportable
then
that
other
of
the
Franchises
,
because
in
such
a
Right
or
Jurisdiction
as
this
,
Criminals
at
least
would
not
be
sheltered
,
but
at
some
rate
or
other
might
be
brought
to
Condign
Punishment
,
though
by
different
Lords
,
yet
in
all
parts
of
Rome
.
But
this
is
a
Right
which
the
French
Ambassadour
has
not
yet
thought
of
,
though
we
have
reason
enough
to
believe
that
the
King
of
France
does
not
want
,
neither
in
his
Court
,
nor
in
his
Parliament
,
no
,
nor
in
his
Counsel
of
Conscience
neither
,
those
that
would
be
ready
enough
to
set
up
this
Extravagant
Pretension
too
,
if
they
found
the
King
were
but
inclined
to
it
;
They
would
tell
him
that
Charlemain
and
other
of
his
Predecessors
,
Kings
of
France
,
having
Established
that
Sovereignty
of
the
Pope
in
Rome
,
the
least
thing
this
Great
Prince
their
Successor
can
pretend
to
,
would
be
modestly
to
divide
that
Sovereignty
with
the
Pope
,
and
especially
,
if
his
Majesty
were
so
moderate
as
to
limite
that
Sovereignty
to
the
Quarters
only
of
Ambassadors
aboad
in
Rome
.
Monsieur
Talon
does
not
drive
so
far
as
this
:
but
only
maintains
,
that
although
the
King
of
France
has
no
kind
of
Sovereignty
in
Rome
,
yet
from
the
very
moment
that
a
Criminal
goes
into
the
French
Ambassadors
Quarters
,
which
Quarters
of
his
comprehend
ample
Squares
,
a
great
circuit
of
Streets
,
and
Houses
,
yet
whatever
Crime
it
is
that
he
has
committed
,
he
can
be
no
further
pursued
by
any
Justice
in
Rome
,
nay
,
without
ever
being
Tryed
or
Judged
,
without
ever
being
Pardoned
,
his
crime
is
absolutely
extinguished
,
and
he
absolved
from
the
very
moment
that
he
sets
his
Foot
upon
the
Territory
of
the
Ambassador
of
France
.
But
pray
,
let
us
put
the
case
that
other
Ambassadors
did
pretend
to
the
same
right
of
Franchises
in
Rome
as
Monsieur
Lavardin
does
(
and
certainly
they
might
as
well
as
he
)
if
they
all
Entred
Rome
in
Triumph
;
if
every
one
kept
Garrison
in
their
own
Quarters
as
Monsieur
Lavardin
did
,
to
defend
their
pretended
Franchises
.
A
Banditt
that
should
Assassinate
one
of
Monsieur
Lavardins
Train
,
or
a
Notable
Thief
that
should
get
an
opportunity
to
run
away
with
his
Cupboard
of
Plate
,
such
a
Murtherer
or
Thief
would
have
no
more
to
do
then
to
run
to
another
Ambassadors
with
his
Booty
,
and
both
Thief
and
Murtherer
would
be
clear
of
their
crimes
:
I
hardly
believe
Monsieur
Lavardin
,
as
Zealous
as
he
is
now
for
that
right
of
his
Masters
,
would
then
be
so
unconcerned
in
his
own
,
as
to
think
that
his
Master
then
or
any
Prince
else
could
have
any
right
at
all
to
such
Mischievous
Priviledges
,
as
such
a
protection
of
Murtherers
and
Thieves
.
Then
under
the
smart
of
his
own
losses
,
his
Eyes
would
be
so
opened
,
he
would
think
the
Franchises
the
most
insupportable
grievance
in
the
World
,
and
finde
his
great
Master
out
,
some
better
things
to
protext
,
then
Crimes
,
and
some
better
sort
of
men
to
favour
then
Murtherers
and
Thieves
,
and
would
be
easily
brought
to
conceive
that
these
pretended
Franchises
were
truly
as
much
;
and
with
as
great
reason
to
be
abolish'd
as
some
of
those
obsolete
rights
of
some
particular
Lordships
in
France
,
which
were
with
reason
destroyed
because
they
were
contrary
to
good
Morality
,
to
the
Law
of
Nature
,
and
Nations
too
.
And
yet
this
is
that
specious
Right
which
Monsieur
Talon
pretends
to
maintain
.
And
if
we
should
ask
him
what
he
grounds
it
upon
:
since
he
finds
nothing
like
it
neither
in
his
own
Memorials
,
nor
those
of
the
Court
neither
,
he
is
feign
to
draw
his
foundations
into
a
Narrow
compass
;
and
therefore
tell
us
only
of
Three
Ambassadours
that
have
been
in
possession
of
that
right
,
and
of
an
Article
of
Treaty
made
at
Pisa
,
betwixt
Pope
Alexander
the
Seventh
,
and
the
King
of
France
that
now
is
,
which
says
nothing
less
,
nay
,
which
indeed
says
quite
contrary
to
what
they
would
have
it
say
.
But
we
must
follow
Monsieur
Talon
close
in
the
narrow
compass
he
has
taken
of
grounds
to
find
out
the
bottom
of
these
pretensions
.
To
settle
the
grounds
of
this
Priviledge
therefore
,
First
,
I
ask
Monsieur
Talon
whether
he
owns
the
Pope
for
Sovereign
Prince
in
Rome
,
or
if
he
dare
contest
the
Sovereignty
with
him
?
He
dares
not
contest
it
,
and
if
he
did
,
we
are
able
to
make
appear
that
this
Sovereignty
has
been
Established
and
owned
many
Ages
before
the
Race
,
from
whence
the
present
King
of
France
came
,
and
had
possession
of
the
Throne
.
Now
if
the
Pope
be
Sovereign
Lord
of
the
Ecclesiastical
State
,
with
the
highest
Sovereignty
,
as
much
as
any
Crowned
Head
whatsoever
,
without
holding
either
of
the
Emperour
,
or
any
other
Crown
,
we
must
examine
and
see
how
the
present
King
of
France
can
come
to
pretend
to
any
right
in
the
middle
of
Rome
,
the
Capital
City
of
the
Ecclesiastical
State
.
This
is
a
thing
most
undeniable
,
nay
,
even
amongst
the
Civil
Lawyers
of
France
themselves
,
that
the
Right
of
Sovereignty
is
imprescriptible
:
So
Monsieur
le
Bret
Advocate
General
,
speaks
of
it
in
his
Treaty
of
Sovereignty
,
where
he
clearly
demonstrates
that
the
Right
of
Sovereignty
is
inviolable
,
and
that
the
Centinary
possession
,
as
they
call
it
,
or
the
enjoyment
for
many
Ages
can
make
no
prescription
against
Sovereignty
.
Now
since
the
power
of
Life
and
Death
,
and
of
punishing
the
guilty
,
is
as
Monsieur
le
Bret
observes
too
very
well
,
the
most
important
power
that
any
Sovereign
has
:
The
Pope
being
Sovereign
Lord
in
Rome
with
the
highest
Sovereignty
that
can
be
,
and
owned
for
such
by
all
Christian
Princes
sufficiently
in
that
great
respect
they
pay
the
Pope
by
their
Ambassadours
giving
place
to
his
Nuncio's
wherever
they
meet
.
It
follows
necessarily
that
the
Pope
has
an
Absolute
and
undeniable
right
to
apprehend
and
chastice
the
guilty
,
throughout
the
whole
extent
of
the
Ecclesiastical
State
,
especially
in
Rome
the
Capital
City
,
and
consequently
that
the
pretended
possession
of
the
Ambassadour
of
France
is
but
a
meer
Usurpation
,
and
that
but
of
short
time
,
which
of
whatever
continuance
it
were
,
according
to
their
own
Civilian's
Opinion
,
can
never
prescribe
against
the
Absolute
,
and
so
long
Established
Sovereignty
of
the
Pope
.
Now
let
Monsieur
Talon
consider
with
himself
how
he
Pleads
for
his
own
Sovereign
the
King
of
France
,
and
whether
he
does
not
defend
the
right
of
his
Sovereignty
to
be
imprescriptible
and
inalienable
;
and
then
pray
let
him
tell
us
in
how
different
a
Ballance
he
weighs
Sovereignty
,
when
he
pleads
against
Rome
,
and
the
Sovereignty
of
the
Pope
;
yet
Absolute
Sovereignty
certainly
is
,
or
ought
to
be
every
where
the
same
.
How
would
they
treat
the
Pope's
Nuncio
in
France
,
if
he
should
once
pretend
to
such
Franchises
as
Monsieur
Lavardin
does
in
Rome
?
yet
Soveraign
Rights
are
reciprocall
so
far
that
as
one
Soveraign
uses
another
,
so
the
other
ought
to
use
him
;
And
since
the
Law
of
Nations
ought
to
be
the
rule
of
the
Priviledges
which
belong
to
Ambassadours
in
Generall
;
the
Ambassadour
of
France
can
pretend
to
no
more
priviledge
in
Rome
then
the
Nuncio
of
the
Pope
may
pretend
to
at
Paris
.
Monsieur
Talon
would
do
well
to
consult
upon
this
point
,
Grotius
de
Jure
belli
ac
pacis
,
and
then
perhaps
he
may
frame
a
more
reasonable
idea
,
and
truer
,
of
the
Priviledges
and
Immunities
of
Ambassadours
,
then
he
made
of
his
own
head
,
when
he
first
undertook
to
defend
the
Usurpation
of
the
Ambassadour
of
France
.
Since
it
is
therefore
clear
,
that
the
Pope
being
an
absolute
Sovereign
,
and
a
Sovereign
that
holds
not
of
any
,
and
does
homage
to
none
,
and
that
has
so
absolute
a
Sovereign
Power
,
that
neither
suffers
attaint
,
nor
is
prescriptible
:
The
power
of
apprehending
and
punishing
Criminals
,
which
is
the
importantest
part
of
his
Sovereign
Power
,
ought
to
be
also
imprescriptible
.
And
therefore
Monsieur
Talon
must
first
destroy
the
absolute
Sovereignty
of
the
Pope
,
before
he
can
rob
him
of
the
right
of
apprehending
and
punishing
Criminalls
in
any
part
of
Rome
,
or
from
taking
them
from
the
houses
of
Ambassadours
themselves
;
much
less
should
he
abuse
the
Officers
of
the
Pope
that
come
to
execute
his
Justice
there
.
But
now
let
us
see
more
in
particular
upon
what
Monsieur
Talon
grounds
his
pretended
priviledge
of
Franchises
in
Rome
:
Either
he
defends
it
as
a
right-inseparable
from
any
Ambassadour
in
generall
,
or
else
a
right
attach'd
particularly
to
the
Ambassadours
of
France
.
Again
,
either
he
pretends
to
that
right
in
all
the
Courts
of
Christendom
where
the
French
Ambassadours
come
,
or
else
only
in
the
Court
of
Rome
,
and
there
as
belonging
only
to
the
French
Ambassadour
too
,
and
no
other
.
And
then
it
may
be
supposed
,
that
in
Rome
only
he
pretends
,
because
that
it
is
an
Ecclesiasticall
State
,
where
the
Sovereign
has
neither
the
will
,
nor
perhaps
the
power
to
resist
the
formidable
power
of
the
most
Christian
King
.
Finally
,
whether
he
pretends
to
this
right
by
priviledge
,
or
by
concession
of
Popes
;
whither
he
pretends
to
it
by
Title
in
Fee
,
or
Conquests
,
or
by
Transactions
and
Concordat
,
or
else
meerly
by
a
possession
that
the
French
Ambassadours
have
had
of
this
pretended
right
for
about
twenty
years
;
Monsieur
Talon
does
not
tell
us
on
which
of
all
these
he
grounds
his
Title
.
If
it
be
upon
the
bare
title
of
Ambassador
,
as
Ambassador
,
and
no
more
,
then
all
Ambassadours
ought
to
have
that
same
priviledge
in
all
Courts
.
Yet
France
,
't
is
thought
would
hardly
be
brought
to
yield
to
such
a
priviledge
as
that
,
though
all
other
States
did
.
But
if
it
be
meerly
upon
the
account
and
right
of
the
Ambassadour
of
France
,
and
a
right
that
he
dares
pretend
to
neither
in
no
place
but
Rome
,
we
may
with
reason
enough
ask
him
,
upon
what
he
grounds
his
Chimericall
pretensions
?
He
can
make
out
no
Title
at
all
.
For
first
,
there
's
no
Concordat
or
Transaction
made
betwixt
the
Pope
and
King
of
any
such
thing
.
There
is
not
any
Donation
that
bears
it
.
The
Kings
of
France
never
Conquered
the
City
of
Rome
,
nor
none
ever
gave
it
the
Pope
upon
that
Condition
.
We
say
nothing
of
the
Treaty
of
Pisa
,
because
Monsieur
Talon
himself
speaks
but
a
word
of
it
passing
,
and
let
s
us
sufficiently
understand
that
he
dares
not
himself
rely
upon
so
ruinous
a
Foundation
as
that
;
for
the
question
was
not
then
of
the
Franchises
which
we
dispute
of
now
,
but
there
having
been
some
Insolencies
committed
by
the
Corsers
,
the
business
was
how
to
provide
for
the
security
of
the
Ambassadour's
House
and
Family
for
the
future
:
which
was
then
promised
.
But
this
was
only
to
secure
the
Ambassadour
and
his
Family
,
there
was
no
mention
of
Franchises
,
such
as
are
now
pretended
to
.
What
was
the
securing
of
the
Ambassadour's
Family
and
himself
,
to
the
securing
of
Banditts
and
all
sorts
of
Criminals
?
To
which
I
may
safely
add
,
and
can
prove
it
by
Writings
,
that
there
was
indeed
then
some
mention
made
of
endowing
the
place
or
Square
before
the
Palace
of
Farnesius
with
the
Priviledge
of
Franchise
,
but
the
Pope
that
then
was
,
Alexander
the
Seventh
,
absolutely
refused
to
grant
any
such
thing
.
Monsieur
Talon
then
at
last
is
reduced
,
in
the
proofs
of
his
Franchises
,
barely
to
the
Possession
or
rather
Usurpation
of
three
Ambassadours
,
of
which
we
deny
that
two
of
the
three
were
ever
in
the
absolute
Possession
of
any
such
thing
.
The
first
manifest
Usurpation
therefore
of
that
right
of
Franchises
has
been
but
since
the
time
of
the
Duke
D'Estrée
.
't
is
very
well
known
how
in
the
time
of
Clement
the
Tenth
to
vex
that
Pope
,
and
his
Principal
Ministers
,
all
Forreign
Ambassadours
that
were
then
in
Rome
,
were
induced
and
engaged
violently
to
make
themselves
Masters
of
their
Quarters
,
and
take
possession
:
But
this
violent
possession
which
they
took
then
contrary
to
so
many
Bulls
,
and
in
despight
of
the
Pope's
resistance
,
can
that
ground
a
prescription
against
an
Absolute
Sovereign
in
his
own
Dominions
?
And
though
forced
by
the
exigence
perhaps
of
the
present
times
,
or
for
other
reasons
best
known
to
himself
,
that
Usurpation
was
endured
or
rather
dissembled
for
a
time
:
Must
the
Pope
never
therefore
defend
the
Rights
of
his
Sovereignty
?
How
many
Rights
and
pretensions
to
Rights
has
the
King
of
France
set
up
that
his
Predecessours
never
thought
of
?
But
that
which
is
most
remarkable
in
this
business
,
is
,
that
though
our
Lord
the
Pope
knew
very
well
,
that
there
was
no
abuse
in
the
City
of
Rome
that
made
more
noise
then
this
did
,
nor
that
had
more
need
of
a
Remedy
,
yet
he
would
not
do
it
hastily
,
nor
with
a
high
hand
,
but
with
all
the
sweetness
that
might
be
,
and
as
insensibly
as
he
could
.
The
Pope
represented
it
to
the
King
either
at
the
departure
or
at
the
death
of
the
Ambassadours
concerned
;
and
with
so
much
Prudence
it
was
carried
,
that
no
Officers
of
Justice
ever
appeared
about
the
Palace
of
Farnesius
,
not
only
while
the
Duke
D'Estree
was
there
,
but
not
as
long
as
his
Body
lay
in
the
House
,
which
is
a
most
evident
sign
that
the
Pope
did
not
publish
his
Bull
against
the
pretended
Franchises
on
purpose
to
affront
the
King
of
France
,
but
rather
out
of
a
motive
of
Justice
,
for
the
security
of
the
Publick
,
and
for
the
quiet
of
his
Capital
City
,
by
taking
from
Criminalls
all
hopes
of
impunity
by
such
Priviledge
as
the
French
now
pretend
to
in
so
considerable
a
part
of
the
City
of
Rome
,
as
all
that
belongs
to
the
Palace
of
Farnesius
is
.
Nor
yet
did
the
Pope
come
to
the
publication
of
those
Bulls
,
'till
he
had
long
and
to
no
purpose
made
many
earnest
Addresses
by
his
Nuncio
to
obtain
of
the
King
of
France
that
his
Ambassadours
might
depart
from
that
unreasonable
pretence
of
the
Priviledge
of
Franchise
in
Rome
.
Thus
his
Holiness
carried
himself
in
the
publication
of
his
Bull
,
and
yet
chiefly
for
Publishing
that
Bull
,
Monsieur
Talon
calls
the
Pope
Enemy
to
France
—
Opiniatre
,
Friend
to
all
that
oppose
France
,
Supporters
of
Hereticks
,
especially
the
Jansenists
and
Quietists
.
But
that
which
indeed
is
to
be
wonder'd
at
more
then
all
,
is
,
that
whilst
the
King
of
France
professes
so
great
a
zeal
for
Religion
,
as
so
effectively
to
reduce
all
the
Dissenters
of
his
Kingdom
to
the
bosom
of
the
Church
,
his
Officers
in
the
mean
while
use
their
utmost
endeavours
to
asperse
the
head
of
the
Church
,
and
to
obscure
the
glorious
reputation
of
the
Sacred
See
.
And
this
perhaps
is
a
thing
as
strange
as
that
,
and
which
after
ages
will
hardly
believe
,
that
the
Magistrates
and
Officers
of
a
King
who
Governs
with
such
Justice
and
Authority
in
his
own
Dominions
,
should
strive
to
tear
from
an
Absolute
Sovereign
the
Pope
,
in
the
middle
of
Rome
,
a
power
to
erect
under
pretence
of
Franchises
,
an
Asylum
for
all
sorts
of
Villany
,
against
all
Right
,
or
without
any
ground
in
the
World
.
't
would
better
have
become
so
great
and
so
Christian
a
King
as
his
Majesty
of
France
,
to
have
employed
his
power
to
have
supported
so
good
a
Pope
as
this
,
and
one
that
has
done
so
much
for
the
Exaltation
of
the
Christian
name
;
to
have
seconded
his
Piety
,
to
have
strengthen'd
his
Holy
intentions
;
and
to
have
maintained
the
Roman
Church
in
that
Authority
and
splendor
which
was
given
it
by
God
.
Monsieur
Talon
at
last
pretends
,
that
the
question
betwixt
King
and
Pope
,
being
of
Franchises
of
Quarters
only
,
was
a
thing
meerly
Temporal
;
and
therefore
since
the
Pope
cannot
be
Judge
in
his
own
cause
,
he
could
not
Publish
a
Bull
of
Excommunication
against
those
that
should
establish
the
Franchises
;
the
most
he
could
offer
at
,
would
be
to
forbid
it
under
pain
of
High
Treason
as
his
Predecessours
had
done
.
Perhaps
if
there
were
now
that
respect
had
to
the
Majesty
of
Sovereignty
,
which
formerly
has
been
,
or
to
the
Head
of
the
Church
,
either
,
it
may
be
that
the
setting
up
of
those
pretended
Privileges
would
have
been
forbidden
only
under
pain
of
High
Treason
,
and
no
more
.
But
at
present
things
are
in
that
Condition
in
Christendom
,
that
his
Holiness
thought
it
necessary
to
employ
all
the
Strength
and
Authority
of
the
Christian
Church
,
to
stop
so
Scandalous
a
disorder
as
that
,
and
yet
that
cannot
do
,
neither
.
For
to
our
great
grief
,
we
see
that
the
Churches
Authority
with
all
her
severest
censures
is
now
trod
under
foot
,
and
Catholicks
themselves
speak
as
contemptibly
of
'em
,
as
the
worst
part
of
Calvinists
do
,
nor
are
Sentiments
of
Justice
and
Religion
sufficient
to
prevail
with
those
men
,
who
have
engaged
his
Majesty
of
France
in
this
indefensible
and
scandalous
point
now
in
question
.
But
let
us
go
on
to
satisfy
Monsieur
Talon
in
his
other
difficulties
.
I
say
therefore
,
the
Pope
does
not
appear
Judge
in
his
own
cause
,
by
publishing
his
Bull
,
any
more
then
the
King
of
France
is
his
own
Judge
by
publishing
his
Declaration
in
such
things
as
regard
the
Government
of
his
own
Dominions
,
nor
is
he
any
more
Judge
there
in
his
own
cause
then
the
Parliament
of
Paris
is
,
when
they
maintain
their
own
Jurisdiction
:
The
Pope
as
Sovereign
makes
a
Bull
for
the
Government
of
Rome
,
to
maintain
Order
and
Justice
there
;
This
Bull
is
executed
but
only
in
the
Pope's
Dominions
,
and
therefore
it
neither
was
,
nor
is
necessary
to
be
signified
in
France
,
nor
to
Monsieur
Lavardin
;
nor
was
published
there
any
more
then
the
Edicts
of
the
King
of
France
,
are
published
out
of
France
,
or
signified
to
any
Ambassadors
.
And
yet
those
Edicts
in
France
are
Executed
without
contradiction
,
or
without
any
bodies
complaining
that
the
King
of
France
is
Judge
in
his
own
cause
.
But
we
see
very
well
what
they
aim
at
in
France
,
they
would
have
the
Pope
lookt
upon
in
regard
of
Kings
,
only
as
a
Lord
of
the
Fee
,
or
as
a
Vassal
in
regard
of
his
Sovereign
.
But
they
are
extremely
mistaken
,
for
both
the
Spiritual
and
Temporal
Power
of
the
Pope
are
independant
of
all
the
Kings
and
Emperours
that
are
upon
the
Earth
:
he
holds
both
his
Powers
immediately
of
God
.
And
therefore
if
Kings
and
other
Princes
with
so
great
obstinacy
defend
their
Pretensions
,
and
those
sometimes
ill
enough
grounded
too
,
why
should
not
the
Pope
with
as
great
resolution
defend
and
preserve
that
both
Spiritual
and
Temporal
Authority
which
God
hath
put
in
his
hands
?
And
though
perhaps
he
may
not
make
use
of
those
Temporal
Arms
which
he
has
,
or
might
have
,
if
he
pleases
to
repell
the
violence
of
those
infamous
Calumnies
and
insults
with
which
they
attack
him
:
yet
he
has
other
ways
of
defending
those
rights
with
which
God
has
entrusted
him
,
which
amongst
good
Christians
ought
to
be
more
formidable
then
Temporal
Arms
:
the
Prayers
which
he
pours
forth
before
God
,
the
Sacrifice
he
offers
,
and
the
Tears
which
he
sheds
to
beg
the
Protection
of
that
God
,
whose
Vicar
he
is
,
and
in
whom
only
he
trusts
;
under
the
omnipotent
hand
of
which
God
,
the
most
powerfull
Kings
ought
to
tremble
,
especially
those
who
take
upon
'em
to
attack
the
Saints
,
and
Vicars
of
Christ
,
Timeat
orationem
,
qui
non
timuit
exhortationem
.
But
still
Monsieur
Talon
maintains
that
no
person
whatsoever
can
be
Excommunicated
for
Temporal
things
.
I
answer
him
therefore
to
that
point
,
that
the
Pope
does
not
Excommunicate
for
Temporal
things
,
but
for
Enormous
Sins
,
and
for
the
Crimes
that
are
occasioned
by
Temporal
things
:
As
for
Example
,
nothing
can
be
more
Temporal
then
Silver
and
Gold
,
and
yet
the
Canons
of
France
as
well
as
those
of
the
Universal
Church
Excommunicate
those
Sacrilegious
Thieves
who
steal
Silver
or
Gold
out
of
the
Churches
.
But
pray
reflect
a
little
;
do
not
the
Parliaments
of
France
oblige
the
Officials
sometimes
by
Vertue
of
the
New
Codex
,
to
give
their
Monitory
Letters
,
and
in
pursuance
to
fulminate
their
Excommunications
for
things
meerly
Temporal
?
So
,
though
the
question
of
the
Ambassadours
Quarters
in
Rome
,
were
a
business
meerly
Temporal
,
yet
the
Crime
they
commit
in
attributing
to
those
Quarters
of
theirs
a
Franchise
of
that
Mischievous
Nature
,
so
unjustly
as
they
do
,
may
justly
be
punished
with
Excommunication
.
But
certainly
this
I
think
must
pass
with
our
Adversaries
themselves
for
certain
enough
;
that
the
Usurpation
of
any
thing
that
belongs
to
the
Church
,
is
an
Enormous
Crime
,
and
a
Sacrilege
that
deserves
to
be
punished
with
Excommunication
:
The
Canons
made
in
those
Ancient
Councils
of
France
,
which
Monsieur
Talon
affirms
to
have
been
called
by
the
only
Authority
of
Kings
,
and
the
Capitulars
of
Charlemain
,
and
Charles
the
bould
,
Pronounce
Anathema's
against
all
those
that
Invade
,
that
Plunder
or
Usurp
the
Tyths
or
any
Rights
,
Lands
,
Rents
,
or
Jurisdictions
belonging
to
the
Church
.
These
Councils
and
Capitulers
both
,
put
all
sorts
of
Goods
,
Rights
,
and
Jurisdictions
belonging
to
the
Church
all
in
the
same
rank
of
things
that
are
Consecrated
to
God
,
and
of
which
consequently
the
Usurpation
must
be
a
Sacrilege
that
deserves
to
be
struck
with
Anathema
:
and
if
the
least
Lordships
or
Jurisdictions
that
belong
to
Bishops
or
Abbots
,
are
all
received
for
the
Holy
things
according
to
the
Holy
Canons
;
who
can
deny
that
the
right
of
Sovereignty
in
Rome
,
which
so
many
Ages
with
the
consent
and
applauses
of
all
Christendom
,
has
ever
belonged
to
the
Sacred
See
,
is
a
thing
so
Sacred
that
it
cannot
be
violently
torn
from
the
Pope
without
committing
such
Sacrilege
as
deserves
to
be
punished
with
Excommunication
?
Nor
is
this
a
matter
meerly
Politick
as
Monsieur
Talon
pretends
,
where
Religion
has
nothing
to
do
:
for
the
matter
it self
cannot
be
a
Prophane
,
but
must
be
a
Sacred
thing
.
For
,
let
the
Pope
have
acquired
that
Sovereignty
in
Rome
in
what
manner
you
will
,
he
and
his
Predecessours
have
enjoyed
it
many
Ages
,
and
our
Adversaries
must
of
necessity
grant
that
that
Sovereignty
changed
its
State
and
Condition
from
the
very
first
moment
in
which
it
was
given
and
Consecrated
to
God
,
and
of
a
Prophane
,
became
a
Sacred
thing
,
and
therefore
even
according
to
the
Canons
of
the
Councils
held
in
France
,
and
Convocated
only
by
Kings
as
I
mentioned
above
,
the
Usurpation
of
that
Sacred
Sovereignty
is
Sacrilegious
,
and
may
be
punished
with
Excommunication
.
Therefore
though
Charlemagne
,
and
the
other
Predecessours
of
the
present
King
of
France
had
given
formerly
to
the
Pope
all
that
extent
of
Land
which
he
now
enjoys
;
though
all
the
Sovereignty
the
Pope
has
in
Rome
,
and
the
whole
Ecclesiastical
State
came
wholly
from
the
Liberality
of
that
Prince
,
and
the
Emperours
of
France
,
which
yet
the
most
Eminent
Historians
of
France
,
and
amongst
the
rest
Monsieur
de
Marca
,
denie
;
I
say
,
though
it
did
,
yet
that
Dominion
and
Sovereignty
being
now
Consecrated
to
God
,
and
given
to
the
Head
of
the
Church
,
without
any
limitation
or
reserve
of
right
whatsoever
to
any
Superiour
Sovereign
in
the
world
,
no
Person
in
the
world
,
can
upon
any
pretence
whatsoever
Usurp
those
Rights
of
Sovereignty
,
and
rob
the
Pope
of
a
Right
so
many
Ages
possessed
by
the
Head
of
the
Church
,
without
deserving
to
be
treated
like
a
Sacrilegious
Person
,
and
Usurper
of
the
Rights
of
the
Church
,
of
such
Rights
as
no
Person
can
meddle
with
,
without
incurring
Excommunication
,
even
according
to
those
Antient
Canons
and
Councils
of
France
,
which
I
cited
above
,
and
which
the
Pope
now
in
his
Bulls
against
the
Franchises
,
did
but
only
Execute
and
renew
.
And
certainly
if
the
Pope
had
not
used
those
utmost
endeavours
,
and
interposed
his
Authority
in
the
highest
manner
that
could
be
,
to
put
a
stop
to
that
Mischievous
protection
or
Villany
in
Rome
,
he
might
have
been
thought
to
have
betrayed
the
Rights
of
the
Sacred
See
,
and
that
power
of
the
Church
which
God
has
trusted
in
his
hands
:
and
of
which
to
God
he
must
give
an
account
.
FINIS
.