THat all p●ople may take heed of the people called Quakers , Septem . 2 these are to give notice to them , that we having lately proved them in two severall disputes , Sept. 15. one with John Whi●ehead at Cedney in Lincolne-shire , the other with George Whitehead and George Fox at Linne in Norfolke , we do clearly find them , and so also did many of the Hearers ( that had any understanding , and were not partakers with them , and 〈◇〉 upon their deceits ) discern them guilty of these great 〈◇〉

1 They do pl●●d for and maintain a perfection of sinlesness in themselves in this l●fe , which is a great ●●rour , and discovers them to be deceived , and the truth not in them , and so to swarve from the Apostles Doctrine , who never said of themselves or any other Man or Woman besides Christ Jesus , that they had no sin in them ; it is said indeed of Christ that he was manifested to take away sin , and in him is no sin , 1 Job . 3.4 , 5. but never is it so said of any other . I● is said indeed that he that abideth in Him sinneth not , and he that is born of God doth not commit or work sin , because the seed of God abides in him , neither can he sin ( that is as before , commit , work or yeild up to sin ) because he is born of God , which is no more then a Man acted and lead of God cannot therein sin or do sin , but it is no where said by any one of the Saints of themselves , or of any of their Brethren that they had no sin in them or were not sinners ; but on the contrary , if we say saith the Apostle John , 1 Joh . 1.8 , 9 , 10. that we have no sin , we deceive our selves , and the truth is not in us ; if the Apostle said so of themselves , what shall we say of these Mens witnessings of themselves , that they have no sin , but that they are deceived , and no truth in them , and so that they are reprobate concerning the faith , and though they may speak many truth , as the Devill also can to deceive , yet the truth is not in them , Paul saith of himselfe , Rom. 7.16 , 17. If I do that which I would not , I consent to the Law that it is good , now then it is no more I , but sin that dwelleth in me , and that in him that is in his flesh dwelleth no good thing , and again vers . 20. If I do that I would not , it is no more I , but sin that dwelleth in me , &c. yea in Tim . 1 . 1● . He saith he was then when an Apostle the cheife of sinners , for he sayes in the present time speaking of sinners , of whom I am ( not I was , but I am ) the cheife , Solomon also saith , 1 Kings . 8.46 . There is no Man that sinneth not , and Prov. 20 , 9. who can say I have made my heart clean , I am pure from my sin , and in Eccles . 7.20 . There is not a just Man upon Earth that doth good and sinneth not , and David , if thou Lord shalt mark iniquities who can stand , ( as implying that none can , Psal . 130.3 . and James , in many things we offend all , James 3.1 , 2. It is true indeed that CHRIST said of Nathaniel that he was an Israelite , in whom was no guile , Joh . 1.47 . which George Whitehead urged to that purpose : but as was then answered him , it is not said that there was no sin in him , and though he pleaded that all sin is guile , yet the contrary was testified from 1 Pet . 2.1 , 2. where hypocrisy , and envy , and malice , and evill speakings are distinguished from guile , guile being a deceitfull hiding a Mans sin , as may be seen in Psal . 32.2 , 3 , 4. where keeping lose , and not confessing a Mans sin is opposed to a Man in whose spirit is no guile , or guile is double-heartednesse or deceit ; and though the said George Whitehead not acquiescing in the clear distinction of Scripture , distinguishing guile from other sins , argued thus , all sin is a transgression of the Law , but guile is a transgression of the Law , therefore guile is all sin , yet all that can understand Argument or Reasoning , may discern that therein he shewed himself to be a Deceiver and Sophister , for by that way of Reasoning as was then answered him , a Man may prove that lying is all sin , because after the same manner a Man may reason : All sin is a transgression of the Law , but lying is a transgression of the Law , and so murther and adultery , and theft should not be distinct sins from lying , that this sinlesness in this life was pleaded for at both Meetings , is a thing known to all the Hearers generally , pleaded for I say as a thing attained by some Beleivers , if not all , and so a thing witnessed by some of themselves : as also it appeares in the Declaration of their faith by Edward Burrough , where it is said page 4. that they beleive the Saints upon Earth may be perfectly freed from the body of sin and death ; and in a Book of Margaret Abbots , that they who have beleived in CHRIST , the second Adam comes to prove the first Adams state before the Fall : not shall come , but comes , and however it is false , for Adam before his Fall had neither sin in him , nor death upon him , but surely the Quakers must dye as well as other Men ; Adam also before his Fall was under a Covenant of workes , do this and live , and might possibly sin and dye , but not to the Beleivers : not under a Covenant of workes here , nor hereafter , after the Resurrection capable of sinning and dying ; so that herein they are concluded to be Preachers of lyes and errours , under pretence of Preaching perfection ; that we are compleat in Christ , and by the grace of Christ received , shall be , and may be here made perfect-hearted with Christ , and in due time at the comming of Christ again be made perfect by Christ , we say , and so the Apostles preached ; but that some are sinlesse here , neither Christ , nor any Apostle or Prophet ever preached of any , except Christ , therefore these People the Quakers are Deceivers . Look to your selves people that you do not follow them , for then will you go into Destruction ; This leading Men to pride and presumption in themselves , and to neglect Christ , and dependance upon him , and his Mediation for them .

2 The said John Whitehead , George Whitehead , and George Fox , at the said Meetings were clearly proved and discovered to be reprobate concerning the faith , as touching the Person of Christ , for they did not , nor could be brought to acknowledge that Christ is glorified in the Heavens without all Men , the Heavens above the Clouds , and distinct from the visible Earth in the same body which suffered , was crucified , dead , and buried ; but though John Whitehead useing subtlery , would seeme to confesse that he hath a Body glorified in the Heavens , yet he discovered himself to be wickedly erroneous in asking , what ? a Heaven many miles distant from us , as denying that he was at such a distance in his Body from Beleivers , and pleading that he being the head of his Church , and they his members , there could be no such distance ; to which it was replyed ( and he could not deny it ) that Beleivers are Members one of another , and yet might be 500. or a 1000. miles distant , as to bodily presence ; yea when it was urged against him , that the Apostle sayes while we are at home in the body , we are absent from the Lord ; the said John would have evaded it by saying , while the mind goes out after earthy or bodily things , though it is clear there , as was observed to him that the Apostle speakes of themselves , a looking at things not seen , and walking by faith , not by sight , not going out after earthy things , but confident and desirous rather to be absent from the body , and as all the Chapter before makes it evident , as also Philip . 1.21 , 22. That he speakes of being observation the naturall body , and at home in the naturall body , and so that while at home in that earthy House of this Tabernacle , of earthy Body , they were absent from the Lord . The other 2. also , the 2. Georges before mentioned ( it was evident to all the people that would see ) by no meanes would be drawn to give a direct answer to this Question , Eph. 5.3 . whether Christ hath any body of flesh and bones distinct from all other Bodies and spirits of Men , or of all his people , but they said that they were flesh of his flesh , and bone of his bone , which the Apostles never preached , but only that Beleivers are members of his Body , ( namely his misticall Body ) of his flesh and of his bones , not flesh of his flesh , and bone of his bone ; and sometimes again they would say that Christ had , and hath a body distinct from this flesh and bone , pointing to their own bodies , and giving this distinction , that their body or flesh might be seen , but he hath a body that cannot be seen to the outward eye ; still meaning no other , but all his Church or people ; yea though they said the same body that suffered was glorified as Gods right hand in Heaven , yet still they meant but his Church , either by his body , or by the Heavens , which appeared in that they would not be drawn to answer to the Question as before , whether he hath a Body distinct from all the bodies and spirits of all Beleivers ; now 〈◇〉 is also a very fundimentall errour contrary to the Scripture , as was shewed from Luke 24.39 . that he had a body of flesh and bones , with hands and feet , &c. and vers . 50 , 51. that he in that body was so carried up into Heaven , as to be parted from his Disciples , and not carryed up into them , and from 1 Thess. 4.15 , 16. and Phil . 3.20 , 21. where it is said , Christ shall descend from Heaven , but not from , but to his Church and people , yea this of the Quakers denying that body glorified , doth at once turn up by the roots all the faith of Christs appearing in the presence of God to mediate for us , and make intercession , in which the Apostles and Primitive beleivers had so much of their hope and rejoycing , Rom. 8.33 , 34. and also all the faith and hope of his glorious discending and comming from Heaven again to change our vile bodies that they might be fashioned into the likenesse of his glorious body ; if there be no such body of his for our vile bodies to be made like unto , and so also of all the Kingdome and glory to be revealed to and injoyed by the Saints , instead of which one of them ( Joseph Fisher in a paper we had from him ) talkes of the new birth or babe in men now changing the naturall body into the likenesse of his before the seperation of body and spirit , therein agreeing with Hymeneus and Philetus that were out of the Apostles faith : and said the resurrection is now made , 2 Tim . 2.16 , 17 , 18. and are not these persons of very dangerous principles that strike off so much of the faith and hope of the Gospel at a blow ; people take heed of them .

3. Yea they are , and so discovered themselves at both those meetings to be reprobate concerning the faith , as touching the resurrection of the dead , for they possitively affirmed that the same body that dyes shall not be raised again , and would have perverted the scriptures of the Apostle , in 1 Cor . 15. To serve their turne reading it , that which thou sowest is not quickned , and leaving out except it dye ; so John Whitehead at Gedney , and so the other at Lin left out part of the next verse , and when it was urged that the Apostle says , it is sown a naturall body , it is raised a spirituall body , it the same it that is sowne is raised , though it rise not the same , ( in the same quallity or condition ) yet it would not be received ; but it was said anther body is raised up or given it , and when we asked J●●● Whitehead whither that which shall be given instead of the body that dyed was ever dead , he plainly said he would not answer it ; nor did he , as also he argued against the redemption of the body to be waited for or expected after death , and said the Apostles had it before the death of the body , likewise it being propounded to George Fox what that is that should rise , he said a spirituall body ; being asked whether that spirituall body was ever dead , he would not answer , but in generall aequivocall termes , that which dyed is , or shall be raised ( which they might meane of the dead spirit dead in sin ) but would not be brought to confesse that , that body that dyes shall be raised , or to say whither the spirituall body was ever dead .

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We also further in both places proved them to be Antichristians , and privily to deny or not to confesse , magnify or lift up Christ as come in the flesh by a passage in that book of Edward Burroughs before mentioned of the Quakers so called , where it is said that Christ is to be known after the spirit , as he was before the world was , and that is the knowledge of him which is to eternall salvation , which is a Aery plain discovery of them to be Antichristian , and subtle deceivers , for though they in the said booke acknowledge that Christ was made manifest in Judea and Jerusalem , and was persecuted , and crucified , arose , and ascended , and is glorified at Gods right hand , yet they make no mention of his bearing or suffering for sins in his death ; and by what is before said , it is evedent they therein are deceitfull and aequivocate , as also in that he says a little before , that he is given into all the world , and no Nation , Countrey , and people is excepted , but to all mankind is he given , and hath lightned them , 't is manifest to them that can and will see that he means of him but as a light or principle given into men , and they can & may in their canting language say so too , he is manifest in England , and is persecuted , and dyer , and rises as well , as in Judea , and Jerusalem , however in the foresaid expression they make nothing of his being borne , suffering and dying in the flesh , while they imply that the knowing of him as so , is not to eternall salvation , but the knowledge of him after the spirit , as he was before the world , while they make that the knowledge of him to eternall salvation , they imply that other knowledges of him are not that knowledge to salvation , and when they say after the spirit , as he was before the world was , they intimately deny his humanity now remaining , yea the saying he is to be known after the spirit as he was before the world was , implyes and manifests their great ignorance and error , for the Apostle makes the knowledge of him as one that dyed for all and rose againe , that knowledge of him after the spirit by which they were led , no more to know him after the flesh , so much is plaine , 2 Cor . 5.14 , 15 , 16. Of which more by and by , but that the knowledge of him after the spirit , as he was before the world was , is not the knowledge of him to eternall salvation , but on the contrary , the knowledge of him as sent forth and come in the flesh , is that knowledge of him that is to eternall salvation , the scriptures plainly testify while they say we preach Christ crucified to the Jew , a stumbling block , and to the Gentile foolishnesse , but to them that are saved Christ the power of God , and the wisedome of God , and the same Apostle says he desired to know nothing but Christ and him crucified , 1 Cor . 2.18 , 22 , 23. and 2.2 . And if thou confesse with thy mouth Jesus the Lord , and beleive in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead , thou shalt be saved , Rom. 10.9 . and again , Paul tells the Corinthians that they were saved by the Gospell he preached to them , if they kept it in memory how he had preached , namely that Christ dyed for our sins according to the Scriptures , and was buried and rose again the third day according to the Scriptures , 1 Cor . 15.1 , 2 , 3 , 4. And again he calls his Gospell the preaching of the Crosse , all which plainly informes us that the knowledge of Christ that is to eternall salvation is the knowledge of him as sent of God , and come in the flesh , and not as he was before the world was , for as so he dyed not for our sinnes , nor was buried , nor rose againe , much lesse were any of these things affirmable of him as he was before the world was , so as that herein they clearly discover themselves to be Antichristian according to that rule of knowing spirits given us by the Apostle ; Joh . 4.2 , 3. That every spirit that confesseth not ( he saith not , that plainly and expresly denyeth the comming of Antichrist is more deceitfull then so , but that confesseth not , which as the same word often signifies , is as much as speakes not out plainly , exalts not , magnifies not ) Christ come in the flesh is not of God , but is that spirit of Antichrist , and is not this a not confessing Christ come in the flesh , to make the knowledge of him as not come in the flesh , ( for as he was before the world was , he was not come in the flesh ) the knowledge of him to salvation : none of the Quakers before mentioned , or of their followers disowned the booke , or the expression at the said meetings , but John Whitehead sought to evade it , and blinde the people by telling them he knew the meaning of the spirit , that it meant as he came in the flesh too ; Deceit and guile depart not from them . in which was a grosse insinuation that they are deceivers , and that they say one thing in their bookes , and mean another , and who then will goe after such deceitfull workers , that are not willing to perish ; and then too , his impudency appeared in giving a sense and meaning of it contrary to the expression , for Christ as he was before the world was , and Christ as come in the flesh are contrary , as much as come in the flesh and not come in the flesh , for he was before the world was , he came not in the flesh , nor dyed , nor suffered , and that he is now as he was before the world was , is as much as to say , he is not the man Christ Jesus , contrary to 1 Tim . 2.5 . And so denies his humanity , and so as some read that in John , doth solvere Jesum , loose the true nature of Christ ; devides and destroyes the humanity , yea and all the virtue and consideration of all he did in the flesh , their being none of that with him before the world was , as with respect to which God acted and effected any thing ; the other Whitehead as blindly endeavored to justifie it , by alledging , 2 Cor . 5.16 . Henceforth know we no man after the flesh , yet though we had knowne Christ after the flesh ; yet hencefor●h know we him no more , to prove that the Apostles did not know him as one that came and suffered in the flesh , or to be in the flesh , but onely as in the spirit as before the world was , when by the same reason the Apostle should not have knowne any of the Corinths then to have or to be then in the flesh , for he says he knew no man after the flesh , as well as not Christ , as was told him , yea and that it was that very judgement and knowledge of Christ as one that dyed for all , and was risen againe , that the Apostle sayes , delivered them from knowing Christ after the flesh , ( as was before hinted ) appeares , for having said , vers . 14.15 . If one dyed for all , then all dyed , and that he dyed for all , &c. He adds wherefore , ( as if he should say upon this ground and account & ) henceforth ( that is from the time we have received this judgement that one dyed for all and rose againe henceforth ) know we no man after the flesh , &c. As was urged upon him to his confusion , for he answered not to vindicate that his alligation , but flew from that to the 1 Job . 1.12 , 3 , 4. Which also speakes not of Christ as he was before the world was , but as manifest in the flesh , and seen and handled by them , nor of God as out of Christ crucified , but as in him as was made good then to him , so that in all this he shewed his grosse ignorance and errour , and so his unfitnesse to goe up and downe , and preach himselfe perfect ; as also ,

5 They shewed much ignorance or willfull sophistry , in cavilling against what was said about the nature of man , as in Christ perfectly freed from sin and curse , and without spot of sin , and the same nature of man in us , even in beleivers , hav●ng sin in it as a naturall heritage from the first Adam fall'n , which while they cavil'd against , they made themselves willingly ignorant of what we mean by nature , which ( as in Hebrewes 2.16 . It is said the nature of Angells ) signifies as spoken of mankind , the common being or essence of man , which as in Adam fal'n , and in all his naturall offspring is sinfull and corrupt , but as the same being of man or humanity is in Christ , so though it was under sin , and law , and death , yet in the resurrection it is discharged thereof , so as in him is neither sin by imputation , much lesse which never was any inherency of sin , nor death for sin , but how should they not cavill against this , seeing they deny the humanity of Christ , and judge him onely a spirit , as he was before the world was , and say of themselves that they have no sin ; and besides this , they shewed much impudency and falshood in the said latter meeting ; as ,

1 In not holding to what was promised us of having the liberty of our meeting and usual exercise without interruption , but would break us off by their talkativenesse , though we promised brevity therein .

2 In wresting our words , as because it was said to George Whitehead that he should have leave presently to say his mind , the usuall sense of which word , presently is anon , or after a short space , he replyed presently is now , and so would hinder the finishing of our discourse , unlesse we would have spent our time in wrangling with him about it .

3 In false lying , as for instance , when we said the body of Christ , or Christ is personally in heaven , and yet by faith in the beleiving heart , he replyed that therein we are like the Papists , making him both in heaven and in the bread , which how grosse a falsehood it is , who cannot see , for the Papists say he is personally and really in the bread and not by faith , for surely the bread doth not beleive that he should be in it by faith , but we say he is not really and personally in beleivers , as he is in heaven but by faith .

4 In obtruding Questions upon us , before they had given plain answers , or any other then equivocall or deceitfull to ours , that we might not discover the deceitfulness of them .

5 In propounding what they themselves were not willing to assert any thing about , whereas what we propounded , we did as well , or were as willing to assert our own judgments in it , as inquire theirs ; they propounded a Question about the blood of Christ , where it is , because we asserted the body of Christ , flesh and bones ascended into Heaven ; touching which , let it be minded that they themselves would not confesse his materiall blood remaining , and how should they , when they beleive not the remaining of his personall body , as appeares by what was noted before of them , and yet would not be satisfied with our answer , that his blood was shed or poured out for the remission of our sins , and in the virtues of it is with the Father , alwayes remembred and minded by him , and so in and with Christ , because we could not certainly assert that his materiall blood that was shed , was united again in the resurrection of his body with his raised body , because the Scripture is therein silent , mentioning flesh and bones , but never blood in it that we find , though as we told them , if they could prove it , so we would beleive them ; but it was said that the virtues of a thing , and the thing it selfe could not be seperated , which is false : for the virtues of Christs death and resurrrection abide yet , though the act of his dying , and so of his resurrection or rising , is long since over and past , Phil . 3.9 , 10. indeed George Fox would have been bolting out his grosse corrupt conceit of Christ dying , alwayes mentioning that 2 Cor . 4.10 . but that he feared we would take him in it , ( I conceive ) and therefore he flew from it againe , and let it fall ; it was also urged by them that the blood of Christ being the foundation of our faith , it must alwayes abide , or else our foundation abides not , and thereupon they would perswade the people that we preached a foundation of faith to them that we knew not where it was , I though they had no cause for it ; this being then answered them , that the dying of Christ or his death is the foundation , or of the foundation of our faith , and yet his dying , as to the act of it , is not alwayes in being , that is , he is not always dying ; nor is the blood simply the foundation of our faith , but Christ himselfe by vertue of it , as it was shed for us , and he raised from the dead , and he abides ever , and is in Heaven , which was answerfull enough , yet because we could not say positively , and prove by Scriptures more then God hath revealed , ( for we told them we answered them as far as it was revealed to us by God in the Scriptures ) where the very materiall blood of Christ is , therefore they would beare us in hand that we preacht a foundation of faith which we could not tell where it was ; to shew their vanity in which , let these things be minded .

1 That it is no shame to us not to know things further then God hath revealed , as it was not for Christ , as Man , not to know the Day and hour mentioned , Mar. 13.32 . namely of the end of the World , which end of the World yet he preached , Or then it was for Job to say , behold God is great , we know him not , and the number of his yeares cannot be searched , Job . 36.26 . It is rather a virtue , to which we are advised not to be wise , or think , or guesse above what is written ; there are indeed very probable Arguments used to prove that that precious blood was reunited again with the body of Christ in the resurrection , at least they seem to have some force , as that in Scripture it is opposed to corruptible things , 1 Pet . 1.18 . and that being part of the body of Christ united to the Diety or Divine nature , it seemes needfull that it should be reunited with the body , as never from the Diety divided ; but then the Apostle saith , flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God though to that it is answerable , that it sayes not Christs flesh and blood is not in Heaven : nor speakes he there of that , but of Men in this mortall state , nor says that that body which now is flesh and blood shall not , when changed , inherit the Kingdome of God , but that flesh and blood cannot , and flesh and blood usually signifies the mortall body , or Man in a mortall state while his life is in his blood , and is continued by a continuall nourishment and supply thereof ; again that which was blood before , may be in the changed state turned into pure life and spirits , the thing or substance remaining , though not in the same form of blood ; but these things being but probabilities , not plainly asserted in the Scriptures , therefore we conceive it is better not to be too positive therein , but observe the advise before mentioned , 1 Cor . 4.6 . especially seeing ,

2 It is no part of the foundation of peoples faith ( nor so preached at any time to them by us ) to know that the materiall blood of Christ , which was shed , is in the personall body of Christ , or else where , but onely to know that it was shed for us for the remission of our sins , and that the sheding of it , and so the suffering , and death of Christ therein are so precious , and of such eternall virtue with God , that by meanes thereof Christ is glorified , and made Lord , and Christ a great high Preist for us , in whom by virtue of that his once suffering , and offering , the sanctified are for ever perfected , ( compleatly provided for of all things pertaining to life and godlinesse ) so as there needs no more suffering or bloodshed for remission of sins , but by that blood , and its shedding , we may at all times have accesse to , and acceptance with God , and so that it is alwayes in the eye , mind , and remembrance of God for us , as sprinkled before him , and by his spirit in the Gospell declared and testified of , and so spiritually in the discoveries of it , as so shed , and as so virtuous , sprinkled upon the mind and conscience of the Beleiver , justifying and cleansing him from all sin ; and that s it , the Beleiver in minding it , as shed for him , and the ends and virtues of its shedding , shall find and prove , and so shall feel it in its virtues and efficacies in his own heart and conscience , as being therein also spiritually drunk by him , ( and so one of the witnesses on Earth witnessing Jesus the Christ , 1 Joh . 5.8 . ) though , as to the reall and present existence of it , as materiall blood , he know nothing .

3 That it s an evidence of these peoples craft and deceit , that in their Disputes what ever , they pretend to people , yet their designe is to amuse and trouble them , and to seek to render their Teachers as Persons not to be listened to by them , ( a right trick of Wolves and Foxes ) and not to discover and boult out truth , and therefore propound Questions , concerning which themselves have no faith , nor dare assert any thing , nor matter whether there be reason and equity in what they say , and demand , so they may seem to say something ; which whether it be a badge of Christs Prophets and Apostles , or of Deceivers and Sophisters , let all jud●● It s a true saying that a Fool may querie more in an hour then a wise Man may be able to resolve in a year ; they might as well have asked where the death of Christ is , or where his rising again is , and we might have asked them when , and how the light ( which they say is in every man ) first enters and comes into Men , and what it first discovers in particular to every Man , and how long it shall be continued with any Man that rebels against it , and many such things : but

4 We do not fault or condemn them for not asserting things not revealed , but for sleighting and denying things revealed , and asserting contrary to what is written : as for saying some Men have no sin in them , contrary and besides to what the Scripture asserts , ( the way to make them proud and presumptuous , and rejecters of Christ ) and for denying what the Scripture asserts about the body of Christ , and the resurrection of Mens bodies , and about the knowledge of Christ , that is necessary to salvation , &c. now that they would have made some thing of against us , is that we cannot tell certainly what God hath not revealed ; now whether of us are the worthyer to be faulted , we for not asserting above what is written , or they for asserting contrary unto , or denying what is written ; Let all people judge ,

5 There were some other discoveries of them in both the said Meetings , which I shall more breifly mention ; as ,

1 In that at Gedney , John Whitehead denyed the Scriptures to be the Medium of faith , contrary to John . 17.20 . wherein Christ prayes for Beleivers , through the Apostles words , which are contained in the Scriptures , and in Act. 17.11 , 12. Its said that the Bereans searching the Scriptures dayly , whether the things the Apostle Paul preached were so or no , therefore ( as if he should say by meanes thereof ) many beleived ; yea the Apostles preached nothing but as the Scriptures asserted , and preached Christ , and made manifest the mystery of Him by the Scriptures of the Prophets , and yet they were therein Ministers , by whom many beleived , Rom. 26.26 . Act. 26.22 , 23 , 24. 1 Cor . 3.5 .

2 He asserted that the hearing , by which faith was begotten , was the hearing of Christ in the light or word within Men , urging that that Christ is the Author of faith , though the word there signifies the prime Leader or Captain of it , {αβγδ} , Heb . 12.2 . ( as still denying the Preaching of the Scriptures to be the medium of faith ) in which we stopt his mouth with that in Rom. 10.14 . That it is said , how shall they beleive in him of whom they have not heard , and how shall they heare without a preacher , and how shall they ( not he or it ) preach except they ( not he or it ) be sent , as speaking of a plurality of preachers , as means of faith which cannot be affirmed or understood of Christ onely preaching in men , or the light or send in men , for that s but one , but must be understood of outward preachers , and means of preaching the word , which are many .

3 He said the Apostles did not bring light to men , but onely pointed to what they had before , which is evedently false , for the Apostles were not onely wittnesses to the light men had before , but the light of the world too , Mat . 5.14 , 15 , 16. And it s strange that the light should bring no light to them that before were darknesse as the Gentiles were ; nay it s said of Paul that he was a chosen vessell to carry the name of Christ amongst the Gentiles , Act. 9.15 . And sure the name of the Lord is light ; nor did they preach to the Gentiles that they had light in them before their comming to them , but contrarily that they were darknesse , Eph. 5.8 . ( not as George Whitehead at Lin perverted it had some darknesse in them , but ye were darknesse ) and that they were in times past without God , and without Christ , Eph. 2.11 , 12. So that they preached not Christ to be in men before their beleiving , but they preached Christ to them , that they might beleive in him , and so have him in them ; indeed this is a maine peice of their corrupt doctrine that they preach , that all have the light of Christ in them , and that that is whatsoever reprooves any sin in them to which they bid men looke for all their light and teaching . So did not the Apostles , but preached Christ as one that had dyed for all , and is risen again , and is ascended and glorified with God in heaven , as without men , as the Scriptures witnesse particularly , Act. 2.22 . Ye men of Israell heare these words : Jesus of Nazereth , a man approved of God among you , &c. They say not yee men of Israell , yee have Christ , or a light within you , looke to that , and it will save you , read also and mind , vers . 30.33.36 . and Chap. 3.13 , 14 , 15. And the 4. 10 , 11 , 12. and the 5.30 , 31 , 32. and the 10.38 , 39 , 40 , 41 , 42 , 43. and the 13.23 , 24 , 25 , 26 , in which 26. it is said , yee men of Israell , &c. To you is the word of this salvation sent ; I pray mind , it is not said , yee men of Israell in you is the word of this salvation , before we come to you ; nay the saying is was sent to them , implyes that it came from without them , for who will send a man that which he hath before in him ; and sure the word of Gods salvation is light , as is clearly signified , also vers . 46 , 47. Which being sent of God by the Apostles , proves that the Apostles brought light to men , contrary to John Whiteheads saying : this way of theirs then greatly swarves from the Apostles doctrin , & exposes men to follow some light of their own fire , & sparks of their own kindling , & so to follow their own spirit , ( which they represent as a light candle in every man ) as the false Prophets and erring people did , Isa . 50.11 . Ezek . 13.3 . As if that was the light of Christ which also may discover some things , and reprove for some sins , otherwise it were in no danger to cheat men , as Sathan doubtlesse as transformed into an Angell of light may reprove of some sins , and presse to some duties for his owns ende , as to deceive men and lead them into greater sins , as to trust in themselves as their owne Saviours , ( as Luk . 18.10 , 11. ) and neglect Christ as we also alledged ; for why cannot he play the hypocrite himselfe as well as his Messengers , who are acted to it by him , 2 Cor . 11.14 , 15. Math . 23.14 , 15.

4 We found also diverse of that party at Gedney , and those none of the meanest of them guilty of making and facing out a notorious falshood to uphold the fallen credit of their cause , for when to the question about the gift of God ( as John Whitehead called it ) to be raised in stead of the body that dies , viz. Whither it was ever dead or not , the said John had twice positively said he would not answer it ; diverse of them together afterward shamed not , in the hearing of the audience to affirm & contend that he had given some answer to it : of the falshood of which ( besides the contradicting of it by many then present ) we since have from one of them received this intimate acknowledgement in a letter directed to us , that he says to prevent our boasting in that matter , he assays to answer the question , though yee may see how he prevaricates ; for first he changeth the question , as if it had been simply ; whether the gift of God be dead or living ? and then gives this answer , that if we mean the gift of the spirit of God to man , it is living , where obedience is yeilded to it , &c. Whereas he knew that our question was about the body to be raised ; such impudence , falshood , and folly are they guilty of , instead of greater perfection that they boast of , as even ordinary civill men would be ashamed off .